Carney on cancellations: Insurers “basically threw you off that plan,” you know, not ObamaCare

posted at 6:41 pm on October 29, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Gone is yesterday’s equivocating defense on the millions of distributed insurance cancellations currently shattering the great ObamaCare myth that was “If you like your plan, you can keep it.” After Valerie Jarrett‘s… er… “creative” contribution to the discussion last night, Carney was much more prepared for the question at today’s White House briefing with a more shrewdly crafted offensive strategy — because as we’re all well aware by now, unintentional concessions (don’t even think about apologies, not gonna’ happen) rarely last long in this administration before giving way to well-rehearsed, righteously indignant spin-doctoring.

Today, even the White House agrees that the issue “deserves fuller explanation,” and the nutshell version of that explanation amounts to this: Basically, this entire mess is insurance companies’ fault because of the regular turnover in the individual insurance market, and for ever having dared to offer the less-than-fully comprehensive plans envisioned by ObamaCare or ever having limited their acceptance of pre-existing conditions in that market. …At least, that’s what I think he’s saying. It seems to be the hot new talking point, anyway. Click the pic to watch at RCP:

And one of the issues that the Affordable Care Act was designed to address was the need to provide greater security to those Americans who had no other option but to seek insurance on the individual market. So that’s the universe we’re talking about, 5% of the population. And I think the it’s important to know that, because in some of the coverage of this issue in the last several days, you would think that you were talking about 75% or 80% or 60% of the American population. So there’s that. As the law says and as the president made clear in the statements that you cite, if you had insurance coverage on the individual market when the Affordable Care Act was passed into law and you liked that plan and you wanted to stay on it even though it didn’t meet the minimum standards that the Affordable Care Act would bring into place on January 1, 2014, you can keep that coverage. You’re grandfathered in. That plan and your association with it are grandfathered in perpetuity. Not for a year, not for five years, but forever. But what is not the case is if your insurer basically threw you off that plan by telling you after a year or two that it was changing and said here’s your new option because your plan has changed, that that new plan is grandfathered in because how could that be? You can’t grandfather in a plan in 2010 that didn’t come into existence into 2012 or 2011.

So, essentially, no way did President Obama ever mislead anyone on the consequences of ObamaCare — which, really, fits in pretty nicely with the message Sebelius will evidently offer in her prepared testimony in front of the House committee investigating ObamaCare’s failures this week, because don’t you dare try to suggest that any of ObamaCare’s negative repercussions are actually the fault of the administration that hastily tried to remake an entire sixth of our domestic economy in their own self-construed image. Never.

Updated: Fixed a repeat-thought typo, oops.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

They’ve got an answer for everything.

22044 on October 29, 2013 at 6:43 PM

And Hitler didn’t kill al those people.

Chuck Schick on October 29, 2013 at 6:44 PM

“Pioneering new forms of sophistry”…George will

d1carter on October 29, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Carney should be required to wear a red nose, funny makeup and floppy shoes to work.

turfmann on October 29, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Enemies, plain and simple.

rob verdi on October 29, 2013 at 6:47 PM

I am so tired of the BS from this whole admin. It is not only BS, it is a bunch of criminals that need to be in jail. Liars, thiefs, accessories to murder, etc, not to mention the complete shredding of our Constitution. I want to throw up. Elections are not going to change the ruling elite culture, only insurrection.

retiredeagle on October 29, 2013 at 6:48 PM

turfmann on October 29, 2013 at 6:46 PM

LOL…that’s the way I visualize him but with an evil smile and laugh.

d1carter on October 29, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Can we just start calling him Squealer?

Flange on October 29, 2013 at 6:49 PM

and the lsm continues to tow the wh line

absolutely shameful….

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 6:49 PM

retiredeagle on October 29, 2013 at 6:48 PM

i’m afraid you’re right…the squishy gop are still pulling for a delay…

wtf?
the dems didn’t want during shutdown, they sure as shoot shouldn’t get it now…
they wanted this boondoggle…let it proceed….

infuriating

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 6:50 PM

I’m actually shocked they are just out and out lying at this level to defend this POS.

I knew they were all liars but this is just so unbelievable.

gophergirl on October 29, 2013 at 6:51 PM

The morons in this administration are turning lying into an art form.

antipc on October 29, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Ah, the Jarrett Gambit.

How unexpected.

Athos on October 29, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Joe the Plumber, Sarah Palin, Joe Wilson, Clint Eastwood, the Obama Clown, and Ted Cruz were right about Obama all along.

txhsmom on October 29, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Nah, we’ll just go with WTH kind of woman has the name Jay?

Cindy Munford on October 29, 2013 at 11:12 AM

I’m going to go with Jay Carney.

Flange on October 29, 2013 at 6:52 PM

I Gave At The Office,

The Check Is In The Mail,

If You Like Your Doctor, You Can Keep Your Doctor.

(That old third one was a bit out of date…)

turfmann on October 29, 2013 at 6:52 PM

gophergirl on October 29, 2013 at 6:51 PM

exactamundo

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 6:55 PM

LIARS…………

crosshugger on October 29, 2013 at 6:55 PM

“You didn’t build that.”

“BarkyCare didn’t ban that plan.”

They have it covered from both sides.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 29, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Insurers…following YOUR LAW

Can’t wait to see what happens when the employer mandate kicks in…

BigWyo on October 29, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Joe the Plumber, Sarah Palin, Joe Wilson, Clint Eastwood, the Obama Clown, and Ted Cruz were right about Obama all along.

txhsmom on October 29, 2013 at 6:52 PM

He11 david Fredosso wrote about this guy before the Dem primaries were over in 08.

Rio Linda Refugee on October 29, 2013 at 6:57 PM

TRANSLATION: It wasn’t the Cancer that killed you. It was your bodies inability to fight it.

portlandon on October 29, 2013 at 6:58 PM

“We didn’t kill Amb. Stevens, the fire did”

faraway on October 29, 2013 at 6:58 PM

he really does look like maddow…just for a second I thought it was her….

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 6:59 PM

faraway on October 29, 2013 at 6:58 PM

+infinity

spot on…

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Read My Lips. You can keep your plan.

faraway on October 29, 2013 at 7:00 PM

“We didn’t kill Amb. Stevens, the fire did”

faraway on October 29, 2013 at 6:58 PM

ooofff!

BigWyo on October 29, 2013 at 7:00 PM

portlandon on October 29, 2013 at 6:58 PM

faraway on October 29, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Heh. Like the guy falling down the side of the building. He passes the 40th floor and a guy asks him how it’s going. He yells back, “Fine, so far.”

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 29, 2013 at 7:01 PM

So, once one gets past a moment of silence due to utter disbelief, I have to ask myself did the insurance companies agree ahead of time to be scapegoats for this whole mess or is this administration so close to cracking that the surreal is now standard for a Jay Carney press conference. I think any human being with even a shred of self-respect would have had to walk away from the Press Secretary position at this point. I mean holy cow this is getting weird.

DaveDief on October 29, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Don’t let them get away with this lie.

This tool lays out the case that Insurers are complying with THE OBAMACARE LAW.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57609224/arrival-of-obamacare-forcing-insurers-to-drop-customers-with-low-coverage/

Use this tool on them, tweet it, facebook it, call their offices, send emails to friends, POUND THE LIARS.

#DEFUNDITorwereplaceyou

PappyD61 on October 29, 2013 at 7:01 PM

“How the Obama Administration Made Sure People Couldn’t Keep Their Plans”

In other words, the ACA did make it incredibly hard for insurers to continue plans for the millions of Americans who don’t want comprehensive insurance — financially, insurers almost certainly had to adjust them in such a way that they would lose grandfathered status. This isn’t “normal turnover in the insurance market” (though there is plenty of that in the individual market); there’s a reason why an exceptionally large number of Americans are getting cancellation notices this fall.

And it might even be more deliberate than that: Jim Capretta points me to this post from Doug Badger, which suggests that this isn’t actually how the law was written in the first place. The infamous grandfather section reads as follows:

“Nothing in this Act (or an amendment made by this Act) shall be construed to require that an individual terminate coverage under a group health plan or health insurance coverage in which such individual was enrolled on the date of enactment of this Act.”

In other words, if you like your health-care plan, you can keep it. But then the Obama administration went about making it impossible, by issuing the regulations described above in June of 2010, in which it explained:

The statute does not, however, address at what point changes to a group health plan or health insurance coverage in which an individual was enrolled on March 23, 2010 are significant enough to cause the plan or health insurance coverage to cease to be a grandfathered health plan, leaving that question to be addressed by regulatory guidance.

The Affordable Care Act as written and passed would have protected the grandfathered plans for a longer period of time and with more freedom for adjustment, but the Obama administration filled out the Secretary Shalls in such a way as to make that much harder, if not basically impossible, to do.

Athos on October 29, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Arbeit Macht Frei, and your luggage will be returned after the…delousing.

Bishop on October 29, 2013 at 7:03 PM

‘Actually, ANY insurance that you currently have would be grandfathered in so you could keep it. So you could decide not to get in the exchange the better plan. I could keep my Acme Insurance, just a high deductible catastrophic plan. I would not be required to get the better one.’

- President Barack Obama, 25 February 2010

Obama lied.

Plans died.

Deal with it, Jay.

Resist We Much on October 29, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Joe the Plumber, Sarah Palin, Joe Wilson, Clint Eastwood, the Obama Clown, and Ted Cruz were right about Obama all along.

txhsmom on October 29, 2013 at 6:52 PM

David Burge @iowahawkblog

Snaggletooth Inbred Hillbilly Teatards 1
Supergenius Beltway Policy Wonks 0

The Right is always right !

burrata on October 29, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Athos on October 29, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Sorry to duplicate your post. That article eviscerates the Obama administration’s new claim.

Resist We Much on October 29, 2013 at 7:05 PM

They’ve got an answer excuse for everything.

22044 on October 29, 2013 at 6:43 PM

It’s the IT contractors’ fault.

It’s the insurance companie’s fault.

Heck, if that dang dog Bo hadn’t eaten Obamas’ homework, Obamacare would be perfect.

MichaelGabriel on October 29, 2013 at 7:06 PM

There is a special Circle of Hell for these people, and they deserve their time there.

Another Drew on October 29, 2013 at 7:08 PM

There is a special Circle of Hell for these people, and they deserve their time there.

Another Drew on October 29, 2013 at 7:08 PM

They have no conscious – it’s creepy

gophergirl on October 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM

The unrepentative way these weasles lie, so boldly and in your face. If the fate of our economy wern’t hanging in the balance I could almost admire the chutzpa they have, alas I can only spit in disgust.

Would it hurt anyone from this administration to just admit to lying or accept an once of responsibility for any, Any, ANY fault/mistake/hiccup?

We are deep into the ultimate CLUSTERFARNADO! Hold on tight my friends it’s going to be a long 3+ years till this storms over.

D-fusit on October 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Nice tie, Opie.

You may want to keep it around for the job interviews later; assuming there are any job interviews later. For anyone.

dissent555 on October 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM

It’s the IT contractors’ fault.

It’s the insurance companie’s fault.

Heck, if that dang dog Bo hadn’t eaten Obamas’ homework, Obamacare would be perfect.

MichaelGabriel on October 29, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Yep.

22044 on October 29, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Wow so thats the meme? So if you are a 62 yr. old guy and don’t want to pay for pap smears, maternity care and breast cancer screenings at extra cost and opt for finding a policy that doesn’t waste your money you ate the one at fault? Is this the best you hot? Where are the cowardly GOP explaining that this is bs?

neyney on October 29, 2013 at 7:13 PM

They have no conscious – it’s creepy

gophergirl on October 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Yeah, and they don’t have a conscience either. ;)
(I think that’s what you meant, but I like your phrasing as well)

dissent555 on October 29, 2013 at 7:13 PM

….honest to gawd…I can’t take it anymore!

KOOLAID2 on October 29, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Yeah, and they don’t have a conscience either. ;)
(I think that’s what you meant, but I like your phrasing as well)

dissent555 on October 29, 2013 at 7:13 PM

OOPS! Don’t mind me – brain fart

Thanks for the catch

gophergirl on October 29, 2013 at 7:17 PM

And Hitler didn’t kill al those people.

Chuck Schick on October 29, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Well it’s really the Jews’ fault their religion didn’t fall into the Nazi’s definition of the “Master Race”.

All I can do right about now is shake my head…and know that sadly 48% of the country is buying every damn word of it!

nextgen_repub on October 29, 2013 at 7:18 PM

They’d have better luck with IT’S BUSH’S FAULT!

GarandFan on October 29, 2013 at 7:19 PM

It’s not Christlike of me I know but I have been hating these people with a white hot hatred for some time now. It burns hotter every time they lie, spin and distort the truth…which is most of the time, which is why I’m glad I’ve got cats–they help to calm my blood pressure.

theotherone on October 29, 2013 at 7:29 PM

The wimpy White House Press corpse is…..well….wimpy.

d1carter on October 29, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Joe Wilson was right

burserker on October 29, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Health policy cancellations: New blow for admin.
By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR and STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
— Oct. 29, 2013 5:08 PM EDT
****************************

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/medicare-chief-get-obamacare-grilling

canopfor on October 29, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Wouldn’t it be cool if the WH press corPse held a JayCot, and just never showed up ? Just once, since they just get the same lies over and over ?

Yeah, I know, but a girl can dream.

pambi on October 29, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Officially, can the blame game get any lower–at some time, we are going to reach the bottom with these diggers, are we not? But not surprised, the same group that blames guns for killing..

hillsoftx on October 29, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Keep our eyes on the ball folks:

They want to control what you “must,” “may,” and “may not,” have in your health insurance policy. This is just the beginning.

jdp629 on October 29, 2013 at 7:44 PM

I’ve got cats–they help to calm my blood pressure.

theotherone on October 29, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Same, but their yowling as they fly off from the clays launcher gets on my nerves.

I call it Sporting Cats, meant to mimic flying cats in the wild.

Bishop on October 29, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Officially, can the blame game get any lower–at some time, we are going to reach the bottom with these diggers, are we not? But not surprised, the same group that blames guns for killing..

hillsoftx on October 29, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Nah. When they get close to the bottom, they just get a bigger shovel.

Moose Drool on October 29, 2013 at 7:46 PM

I’m accustomed to watching this Lying Liar lie. The whoppers are flying now.

What’s more interesting is watching Democrats run like scalded dogs from these buffoons. Especially Hillary. LOL.

Philly on October 29, 2013 at 8:10 PM

George Washington once said…

“The once happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with Blood, or Inhabited by Slaves.”

How prophetic back then.

I’m afraid history repeats itself.

Robert Jensen on October 29, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Goebbels is having way too much fun.

Schadenfreude on October 29, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Demonizing the health insurance business! I sure didn’t see that coming.

slickwillie2001 on October 29, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Sooner or later the over zealous dorky school hallway monitor finds himself behind the school. Alone.

wolly4321 on October 29, 2013 at 8:19 PM

I figured it out – the trolls aren’t missing, they’re in training, because none of them know what to say. I guess they’re not totally shameless (just mostly).

williampeck1958 on October 29, 2013 at 8:22 PM

I’ve got cats–they help to calm my blood pressure.

theotherone on October 29, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Same, but their yowling as they fly off from the clays launcher gets on my nerves.

I call it Sporting Cats, meant to mimic flying cats in the wild.

Bishop on October 29, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Maximum points for you if you’re aiming the launcher into your liberal neighbor’s yards.

theotherone on October 29, 2013 at 8:26 PM

You mean, Scooter lied?

HB3 on October 29, 2013 at 8:35 PM

The fall from the skyscraper didn’t kill you; it was the sudden stop.

PackerBronco on October 29, 2013 at 8:46 PM

I have to ask myself did the insurance companies agree ahead of time to be scapegoats for this whole mess DaveDief on October 29, 2013 at 7:01 PM

The Insurance Companies did not agree to be scapegoats, but they were given an agreement in the Obamacare Law.

http://www.conservativeintel.com/2013/10/25/now-we-find-out-whats-in-it-obamacares-taxpayer-bailout-for-health-insurers/
H/T can_con on October 29, 2013 at 1:32 PM on the Hoyer thread.

Also, Mark Levin this evening said the Health Care Insurers had no choice but to cancel current policies since they can only write coverage per the Obamacare Requirements.

So Sebelius may want to edit her proposed testimony. Hopefully, the Congresspersons have some knowledge in order to counter her talking points.

bluefox on October 29, 2013 at 8:49 PM

O/T somewhat. Mark Levin played Cavuto’s comments he makes before ending his program today. It was awesome & he nailed it!! It all was directed at Obama. Don’t know if Levin will post it on his site or not. I’m going to look for it elsewhere. It is worth looking for.

bluefox on October 29, 2013 at 8:54 PM

“We didn’t kill Amb. Stevens, the fire assraping did”

faraway on October 29, 2013 at 6:58 PM

FIFY

PointnClick on October 29, 2013 at 9:16 PM

the need to provide greater security to those Americans who had no other option but to seek insurance on the individual market. So that’s the universe we’re talking about, 5% of the population.

So we spent one bajillion dollars to cover 5% of the population? It appears everyone else had an alternative option.

This is how we win — spinning their spin right back at them.

RationalIcthus on October 29, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Carney should be required to wear a red nose, funny makeup and floppy shoes to work.
turfmann on October 29, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Ha Ha! As should also most of Obama’s department heads.

Obama should be in a Dracula suit. It’s Halloween all year long in the WH.

Chessplayer on October 29, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Double-talk is indignant, as is BullMcShit.

What a maroon.

hillbillyjim on October 29, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Gee…who could have seen this coming?

You’re all missing the point by a country mile, since, for some reason, you all seem to be thinking that the impending train wreck that’s coming is going to be pinned on the Democrats and that they are going to be held accountable for it.

Question: who – exactly – is going to be holding them accountable? The US news media?…which is nothing more that the Democratic party’s Ministry of Propaganda? The American people?…half of whom are now unadulterated morons?

Who?

The Democrat playbook is really very simple. All you have to do is look back at the housing bubble to see how it works:

1. Create a crisis under the guise of promoting “social justice”.
2. When the crisis hits, use the Leftists news media to deflect blame away from the Democrats so that it lands on Republicans and private enterprise.
3. Use the ginned up public outrage that’s created by the Leftist news media to hammer Republicans and win elections.
4. Use their electoral gains to “solve” the “crisis” by enacting even more govt control over the sector in question.

The point of ObamaCare never had anything to do with improving access to health care…they delusionally believe that is what will happen later.

The real goal of ObamaCare is two-fold.

The first goal is to drive insurance rates through the roof, so that private enterprise will stop providing it to their employees. The societal impact of this will be the biggest social upheaval since the 1960′s, with the middle class rising up in abject fury. And the Democrats – with the help of their media allies – plan to point that fury directly at the heads of the Republican party, corporate America, and the private health insurance industry.

When the SHTF, what you’re going to hear from the Democrats is this:

“Hey, don’t blame us! This isn’t our fault! This is the insurance industry’s fault! The reason they’ve jacked up premiums so much is because they’re greeeeeeedy and evil! And blame the company that you work for…because they’re greeeeeeedy and evil too! And most importantly, blame the Republicans…because they’re the best friends of these greeeeeeedy and evil fat cats!”

And with nary a blink, the US news media will swallow that whole and regurgitate – verbatim – for months.

The second goal of ObamaCare is to destroy the private health insurance industry, so that it can be replaced with single-payer. And that’s exactly what’s going to happen. Businesses are no longer going to offer health insurance benefits, since it will be more economically feasible for them to pay the associated penalties for not providing insurance. That means that individuals are going to have two choices: buy directly from private insurance companies or join a govt-sponsored health care exchange. But as I said, insurance premiums are about to skyrocket, making it impossible for most people to afford to pay directly, so most will joint the govt exchanges. When that happens, the govt will use their now massive influence in the markets to undercut and manipulate the private insurance companies until the simply fold up shop.

Everyone crying about “the American people won’t accept single-payer” is delusionally naive: once private health insurance is destroyed, EVERYONE will accept single-payer…because you won’t have any choice.

And the stupid American public will buy it.

Mark my words.

rvastar on July 9, 2013 at 11:14 AM

That the American people are stupid enough to fall for this Kabuki theater is simply…there aren’t even words for it.

rvastar on October 29, 2013 at 10:13 PM

I call it Sporting Cats, meant to mimic flying cats in the wild.

Bishop on October 29, 2013 at 7:46 PM

You need one of these.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on October 29, 2013 at 11:02 PM

I’m actually shocked they are just out and out lying at this level to defend this POS.

I knew they were all liars but this is just so unbelievable.

gophergirl on October 29, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Whatever happens, they have got
the megaphone, and we have not.

The left owns the mass media. As long as that is true, it doesn’t matter how much or how obviously they lie, because they won’t be called on it.

The right have to fight that, or there’s no point to doing politics.

Repeal the Hollywood tax cuts!

David Blue on October 30, 2013 at 3:16 AM

This is the same type hogswaller lie that the government gives concerning the CRA forcing mortgage companies to give a pass for low/no income people a mortgage and then taking them to court and fining them for something the government forced them to do. Typical government lies and/or taking responsibility for what they have caused.

boogieboy on October 30, 2013 at 1:41 PM

They’ve got an answer a LIE for everything.

22044 on October 29, 2013 at 6:43 PM

There…fixed it for you.

timberline on October 30, 2013 at 5:09 PM