Videos: Senate Dems hitting reverse on ObamaCare on Sunday talkers

posted at 9:41 am on October 28, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Two key Senate Democrats appeared to distance themselves rapidly from the White House over ObamaCare on the Sunday talk shows, as the networks focused on the disaster unfolding at HHS.  One might have expected the White House to get its allies to circle wagons over the weekend, after appointing Jeffrey Zients to take over the train wreck and promising fixes by the end of November.  Instead, Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH) told Bob Schieffer on CBS’ Face the Nation that this doesn’t change anything, and that the mandate should still be delayed:

At one point, Schieffer almost laughs out loud in resignation when trying to get Shaheen to confirm that she has little confidence in the changes made by Obama this past week.

Meanwhile, Joe Manchin (D-WV) told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos on This Week that no one should have to spend more money on a worse deal, which seems to be the end result for most Americans buying insurance through ObamaCare exchanges (via Allahpundit in the QOTD and TWS):

“Senator Manchin, you get the last word,” said the ABC host this morning. “Are you seeing any indication from anyone in the administration that they are willing to go along with some sort of a delay?”

“I’m not sure,” said Manchin. “I haven’t spoken in detail with them. But I can tell you: if we have a bipartisan group, which we’ve had before … George, nobody should be forced to buy a policy that costs more than what they had and is inferior to what they had. Those things have to be worked out.”

That goes a long way beyond a bad website.  Manchin’s hammering the real problem for consumers, and the Democrats who will be held accountable by them for ruining the insurance marketplace.  If anything, the repair of the website has the potential to make the situation much worse for those Democrats running in the next two elections, and possibly for a generation.

It’s not just Senate Democrats refusing to go along with the White House’s happy talk.  Try to guess who wrote this response to Sarah Palin on Friday:

If Team Obama had been plotting Canadian-style socialized medicine all along, they wouldn’t have floated all those dumb “heckuva job, Barry”-style excuses that turned healthcare.gov into the president’s Katrina moment:

• Too much volume. But corporate websites routinely handle more than the ACA sites. Besides, the feds knew that, in a nation with tens of millions of uninsured people, tens of millions of people were going to check out the website. The truth, as any idiot could plainly see, was that volume wasn’t the issue. Lousy coding was.

• ACA is “more than a website” — and anyway, why don’t people use the phone? Actually, that’s not true. For most people, the ACA are the websites. That’s how Obamacare was promoted. People were told to go online. So they did. As for those who threw up their hands and tried calling — I was one of them — there was no way to buy a plan by phone.

• Everyone knew there would be glitches. The problem with that Democratic talking point is that while Americans may suffer from short memories, they’re not totally retarded. We still recall September 2013. It’s not like anyone in the White House announced before the launch: “Hey, don’t freak if you can’t access the websites right away. Chillax, wait a month or two. We’re expecting a lot of glitches, and things could be less than cromulent for a while.”

No, Governor Palin, the truth behind the ACA mess is that Obama and his gang of golfing buddies are idiots.

It’s not Erick Erickson, I can assure you.


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What a clusterfcuk this is…

OmahaConservative on October 28, 2013 at 9:44 AM

I’m not sure,” said Manchin. “I haven’t spoken in detail with them. But I can tell you: if we have a bipartisan group, which we’ve had before … George, nobody should be forced to buy a policy that costs more than what they had and is inferior to what they had. Those things have to be worked out.”

FIFY Joe.

kcewa on October 28, 2013 at 9:46 AM

THIS is the Hitler finds out about the Obamacare website video you have been waiting for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e3-RKS0_NKk

SLVJ

Pintos!!!

PolAgnostic on October 28, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Can you believe these hostage takers with bombs strapped to their chests?!?

What next? A DELAY?!

Gatsu on October 28, 2013 at 9:48 AM

“Headline, AP not

Manchin to Shieffer

Democrats…ruining the insurance marketplace.

Fleuries on October 28, 2013 at 9:49 AM

It doesn’t matter GOPe will never say Cruz was right.

tim c on October 28, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Keep voting Democrat…

PatriotRider on October 28, 2013 at 9:50 AM

It’s not Erick Erickson, I can assure you.

From the DKos article:

OK, so there was evildoing. For example, as Forbes reported: “HHS bureaucrats knew [forcing the uninsured to create an account and enter detailed personal information before you can start shopping] would make the website run more slowly. But they were more afraid that letting people see the underlying cost of Obamacare’s insurance plans would scare people away… Obamacare wasn’t designed to help healthy people with average incomes get health insurance. It was designed to force those people to pay more for coverage, in order to subsidize insurance for people with incomes near the poverty line, and those with chronic or costly medical conditions…This political objective — masking the true underlying cost of Obamacare’s insurance plans — far outweighed the operational objective of making the federal website work properly.”

And predictably the commenters can’t handle the truth.

NotCoach on October 28, 2013 at 9:54 AM

nobody should be forced to buy a policy that costs more than what they had and is inferior to what they had. Those things have to be worked out.”

So he would vote for the GOP senator who is proposing the “If You Like Your Plan, You Can Keep Your Plan Act”–is that what I am to conclude?

hillsoftx on October 28, 2013 at 9:54 AM

I’d say this whole stinking administration is perfectly cromulent.

Their idiotness is only surpassed by their slackerness.

itsacookbook on October 28, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Plus, guess who said this: “Obama and his gang of golfing buddies are idiots.”

Bull Conner?

forest on October 28, 2013 at 9:57 AM

It’s not Erick Erickson, I can assure you.

Of course not, Erickson wouldn’t use the word ‘retarded’, especially to Sarah Palin.

Anyway, I guess the Lefties won’t get any grief for shutting down the government over an issue they’ve now flipped on.

Fenris on October 28, 2013 at 9:57 AM

THIS is the Hitler finds out about the Obamacare website video you have been waiting for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e3-RKS0_NKk

SLVJ

Pintos!!!

PolAgnostic on October 28, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Hilarious. The only part it got wrong was at the end – they’re blaming Romney instead of Bush.

kcewa on October 28, 2013 at 9:57 AM

THIS is the Hitler finds out about the Obamacare website video you have been waiting for:

The ending cracked me up!

crowhop on October 28, 2013 at 9:59 AM

I read Ted Rall’s article and there is so much wrong with it, I’m not going to dissect it piece by piece. I will say that Tea Partiers are not 9/11 truthers, and only a small number are birthers. And Sara Palin is not the spokesperson for freedom minded people.

I will also say that the idea of ‘forcing doctors and nurses to become federal employees’ will completely fail. I left the profession for other reasons, but this is one of many why I would never go back.

You can’t make a person work in healthcare. Watch what happens if we go single payer. Try to find a doctor or a hospital fully staffed. Anyone with any sense of self preservation will take that education and get the hell out. If you’re smart enough to do that sort of job, you’re smart enough to figure out how not to do that job.

GeeWhiz on October 28, 2013 at 10:00 AM

you know the insurance companies are going to get a US taxpayer funded bailout whether there is either a delay in the mandate or not enough young healthy people to sign up in the first year to dilute the risk pool and pay for all this…how ’bout them apples, huh…so. so, so ridiculously expensive…when in the end we get a big medicaid expansion that all of us were gonna get hosed for anyway.

Cruz’s way is the only way out

gracie on October 28, 2013 at 10:01 AM

It’s not Erick Erickson, I can assure you.

Nope. It’s the evil Ted Rall. What else did he say, in the first paragraph?

If not for those pissy Republicans, who would get to the bottom of the disastrous October 1st rollout of the Affordable Care Act? Not the secrecy-obsessed Obama, who makes Nixon look like a paragon of transparency. Not his make-any-lame excuse Democrats.

BOOM.

But then, Ted Rall proves to us that he’s still clueless:

Tea Party types love conspiracies. Obama is a Kenyan socialist. (So where’s the socialism?) 9/11 was an inside job. (But not a good one.) But sometimes conspiracies turn out to be true — even if they’re weren’t planned that way.

Tea Partiers as Troofers? I don’t think so, Ted.

Ward Cleaver on October 28, 2013 at 10:01 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e3-RKS0_NKk

SLVJ

Pintos!!!

PolAgnostic on October 28, 2013 at 9:47 AM

PolAgnostic:Thanks,Lol, that was a hoot, especially the Canadian part,haha:0

canopfor on October 28, 2013 at 10:01 AM

I saw a bit of “Morning Joe” this morning, and I SWEAR David Axelrod said “most” people could keep their plans. That, of course, is a whole lot different than “If you like your plan you can keep your plan.”

Backpedaling!!!

lizzieillinois on October 28, 2013 at 10:02 AM

THIS is the Hitler finds out about the Obamacare website video you have been waiting for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e3-RKS0_NKk

SLVJ

Pintos!!!

PolAgnostic on October 28, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Well worth sharing on your social media sites…

hillsoftx on October 28, 2013 at 10:04 AM

You can’t make a person work in healthcare. Watch what happens if we go single payer. Try to find a doctor or a hospital fully staffed. Anyone with any sense of self preservation will take that education and get the hell out. If you’re smart enough to do that sort of job, you’re smart enough to figure out how not to do that job.

GeeWhiz on October 28, 2013 at 10:00 AM

This is what’s happening with the NHS in the UK. They can’t staff their hospitals 24/7.

kcewa on October 28, 2013 at 10:06 AM

One might have expected the White House to get its allies to circle wagons over the weekend, after appointing Jeffrey Zients to take over the train wreck and promising fixes by the end of November.

Zients is fixing the website not the fundamental systemic problems with Obamacare. As more people find out just what they are going have to pay for inferior coverage there will be more defections. Why any healthy 27-year-old would willingly sign up for a plan that they don’t need with a $6800 deductible is beyond my understanding.

Funny, isn’t it that the surrender weasels are keeping quiet these days. Perhaps they see just how godddamned stupid and partisan they have been when they treated Obama and Harry Reid as untouchable heroes and Ted Cruz as the enemy.

Happy Nomad on October 28, 2013 at 10:06 AM

And predictably the commenters can’t handle the truth.

NotCoach on October 28, 2013 at 9:54 AM

So, in other words, it is a Ponzi scheme.

chewmeister on October 28, 2013 at 10:08 AM

you know the insurance companies are going to get a US taxpayer funded bailout whether there is either a delay in the mandate or not enough young healthy people to sign up in the first year to dilute the risk pool and pay for all this…how ’bout them apples, huh…so. so, so ridiculously expensive…when in the end we get a big medicaid expansion that all of us were gonna get hosed for anyway.

Cruz’s way is the only way out

gracie on October 28, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Yeah…But Rick Santorum says Cruz harmed the GOP.

I guess Santorum doesn’t like the attention Cruz got in Iowa.

workingclass artist on October 28, 2013 at 10:08 AM

And predictably the commenters can’t handle the truth.

NotCoach on October 28, 2013 at 9:54 AM

That’s because they live in a bizarre alternate reality:

Whatever the status of the website, more people have insurance now compared to before.

If we don’t count the number of policies cancelled, then yes there are more people insured now than there were before. See? When you’re a liberal it’s just that easy!!

PetecminMd on October 28, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Too late dems..you had your chance a few ago and blew it. I hope all of your voters remember this..no more delays and get rid of all exemptions! You sold it..you bought it..you own it!

celt on October 28, 2013 at 10:08 AM

It’s not just Senate Democrats refusing to go along with the White House’s happy talk. Try to guess who wrote this response to Sarah Palin on Friday:

Meh, he concludes that he hopes she’s right about Socialized healthcare… as he insults her along the way.

ACA was created in response to skyrocketing healthcare costs — a problem directly attributable to the big insurance companies, which are raping patients and doctors with extortionist rates in order to accumulate obscene profits. The common sense solution? Cut out the insurers; put them out of business. Nationalize hospitals and private clinics. Turn doctors and nurses into federal employees.

No hope there.

mankai on October 28, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Ted Cruz and the Tea Party were right you losers. Just admit it.

forest on October 28, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Obamacare is the law of the land. Why are democrats constantly trying to delay it?

blink on October 28, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Because Obama has no constituents and no further elections. He doesn’t care if young people are being expected to pay thousands so others don’t have to pay a dime.

Mr Obama- Keep your paws off my ovaries!

Happy Nomad on October 28, 2013 at 10:10 AM

NRO’s James Geraghty, in his daily newsletter today, highlights 7 major hurdles that Obamacare has to cross by March 31, 2014 in order to remain ‘viable’….

1. The easiest, is fixing the website. Simply, it has to work, every time and with adequate performance.

2. People have to decide to log-in and use the exchanges to buy insurance – overcoming their apathy / anger about having to take this step and the usual habit of most to procrastinate.

3. The people cannot be overwhelmed or repelled by sticker shock – the cost of their premiums for their insurance coverage. They have to buy – and not decide to just pay the fines / tax.

4. When they are making their decision to buy coverage, the information regarding one’s qualification for subsidies has to be accurate. If someone believes they are getting A and then find out when they file their taxes, that they only can get B – where B is lower than A, the credibility of the program is hammered again.

5. The data being sent to the private insurance companies has to accurate.

6. The majority of the people buying via the exchanges have to be young and healthy.

7. The data entered into the system, and data contained within the system (ACA) has to be secure. Any major privacy breaches….

There is one other key point that Geraghty alluded to that I think should be hurdle #8… Ever since the Administration has started to push the government’s takeover of the healthcare industry which brought us Obamacare, the first, second, and third items of information from the Administration about any aspect of the program has been to 1) lie; 2) lie; and 3) lie. The Administration has to stop lying about the ACA.

What’s worse, these lies are like the lies a 3 year old tells their parents. They are clearly lies and easily detected as lies. They are blatant and habitual lies.

Athos on October 28, 2013 at 10:10 AM

You can’t make a person work in healthcare. Watch what happens if we go single payer. Try to find a doctor or a hospital fully staffed. Anyone with any sense of self preservation will take that education and get the hell out. If you’re smart enough to do that sort of job, you’re smart enough to figure out how not to do that job.

GeeWhiz on October 28, 2013 at 10:00 AM

This is what’s happening with the NHS in the UK. They can’t staff their hospitals 24/7.

kcewa on October 28, 2013 at 10:06 AM

It’ll happen even faster when the USCCB starts closing the charity hospitals.

1 in 6 hospital beds in this country are in Catholic charity hospitals.

workingclass artist on October 28, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Yeah…But Rick Santorum says Cruz harmed the GOP.

I guess Santorum doesn’t like the attention Cruz got in Iowa.

workingclass artist on October 28, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Meghan McCain says the same thing.

And you know, if you’ve lost Meghan and Rick well then…… good first step.

Happy Nomad on October 28, 2013 at 10:12 AM

I saw a bit of “Morning Joe” this morning, and I SWEAR David Axelrod said “most” people could keep their plans. That, of course, is a whole lot different than “If you like your plan you can keep your plan.”

Backpedaling!!!

lizzieillinois on October 28, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Yeah, I think Drudge has that clip linked on his page. It’s infuriating to watch. The worst part isn’t that backtracking from “you can keep your plan” to “most can keep their plan”. It’s that he follows that up with a lie about how everyone will get cheaper coverage(including through subsidies which he doesn’t seem to realize means higher taxes) which is patently false.

Doughboy on October 28, 2013 at 10:12 AM

The worst part isn’t that backtracking from “you can keep your plan” to “most can keep their plan”. It’s that he follows that up with a lie about how everyone will get cheaper coverage(including through subsidies which he doesn’t seem to realize means higher taxes) which is patently false.

Doughboy on October 28, 2013 at 10:12 AM

The fundamental flaws of Obamacare have yet to be fully revealed. Just wait until they get their act together enough that the website works. The Dems are sweating bullets about backlash.

Happy Nomad on October 28, 2013 at 10:15 AM

I saw a bit of “Morning Joe” this morning, and I SWEAR David Axelrod said “most” people could keep their plans. That, of course, is a whole lot different than “If you like your plan you can keep your plan.”

Backpedaling!!!

lizzieillinois on October 28, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Axlerod was just reading from Animal Farm.

mankai on October 28, 2013 at 10:15 AM

No, Governor Palin, the truth behind the ACA mess is that Obama and his gang of golfing buddies are idiots.

O-U-C-H!

mark, …left.

ted c on October 28, 2013 at 10:17 AM

I saw a bit of “Morning Joe” this morning, and I SWEAR David Axelrod said “most” people could keep their plans. That, of course, is a whole lot different than “If you like your plan you can keep your plan.”

Backpedaling!!!

lizzieillinois on October 28, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Well, using the Obama / Axelrod logic and assumption that the majority of the American people are stupid, he’s correct….when one counts those who get their health insurance from their employer, which is most people, most of those plans aren’t changing or forcing people into the exchanges.

However, if you work in a smaller company, or one that decides to restructure jobs to under 30 hours per week as in many retail and related industries with low income workers, or have an individual health insurance policy, you are very likely going to be forced into the exchange and paying considerably more for your health insurance coverage.

Axelrod basically misrepresents the truth by basing his ‘most’ around a pool of Americans who were never intended to be impacted by the ACA from the start. It also allows him to move the goalpost from those who are directly impacted to something that sounds far more benign.

Athos on October 28, 2013 at 10:18 AM

What’s worse, these lies are like the lies a 3 year old tells their parents. They are clearly lies and easily detected as lies. They are blatant and habitual lies.

Athos on October 28, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Bill Clinton took parsing to a high level performance art…cause it’s not really lying and truth is relative…

We the new skool.

Spin baby Spin

workingclass artist on October 28, 2013 at 10:18 AM

The catastrophic failure that is Obamacare.gov is a golden opportunity for the GOP to point out the problems inherent with top dis, Big government, vpcentralized, one size fits all solutions. In a world where people are increasingly demanding personalized products and services, the message would resonate.

We just need to find good messengers and the right medium. We don’t have our own Daily Show.

Charlemagne on October 28, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Don’t worry Manchin, Boehner, McConnell and company will bail your party out.

bgibbs1000 on October 28, 2013 at 10:29 AM

We just need to find good messengers and the right medium. We don’t have our own Daily Show.

Charlemagne on October 28, 2013 at 10:26 AM

It isn’t about messaging. The establishment GOP doesn’t want to rile the parasite class. They give lip service to Obamacare opposition but they don’t really mean it. They would rather attack Ted Cruz, who makes things uncomfortable for them.

Happy Nomad on October 28, 2013 at 10:32 AM

NotCoach on October 28, 2013 at 9:54 AM

It galls me that more reporting is not zeroing in on that specific point. I’m not tech-savvy enough to know how much of a monkey wrench that hiding the shopping aspect behind the registration created. But I cannot believe that more people aren’t emphasizing that up until about two weeks before launch, you didn’t have to register before being about to browse and shop. The Obama administration engaged in a massive bait-and-switch. I suppose Obamadon’tcare itself is a massive bait-and-switch, too. But this website reconfiguration puts in to full view the depths of this administration’s dishonesty.

These people are liars and thieves.

BuckeyeSam on October 28, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Never mind that Darken Rall can’t tell the difference between the tea party and his own fellow leftists. (Hint, Junior; it’s your lot who keep going on about “fire not being able to melt steel” and “controlled demolitions”.)

But as you might expect, he has no doubt about the Ultimate Solution to this clusterf**k;

ACA was created in response to skyrocketing healthcare costs — a problem directly attributable to the big insurance companies, which are raping patients and doctors with extortionist rates in order to accumulate obscene profits. The common sense solution? Cut out the insurers; put them out of business. Nationalize hospitals and private clinics. Turn doctors and nurses into federal employees. Obama built the ACA to increase the big insurers’ profits even more. Thus, for example, no federal price controls on the plans to be sold through the government websites. It comes as no surprise, but sad confirmation that we were right, that insurance company stocks have soared since the passage of the ACA.

Like all progressives, when beatings do not get the results he wants, Rall reaches for a bigger club, preferably with spikes. He believes that forcing professionals to work as the government dictates will make everything perfect. (Yes, because that worked so well at Mittelwerk-Dora.)

And he honestly believes that The One, who hates free enterprise even worse that he does, planned this to make the insurance companies richer? Why? So he’d have more to confiscate in excessive taxation?

One more proof that progressivism really is a mental disorder.

clear ether

eon

eon on October 28, 2013 at 10:37 AM

I think Sarah would accept the correction by the the commenter you quoted at the end. Yes, idiots.

jake49 on October 28, 2013 at 10:44 AM

It really is a shame that the electorate won’t vote the Democrats out because of this failure. The electorate rewards Democrat failure with votes.

We’re all Detroit now.

happytobehere on October 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Geez… Ed, I wonder why everyone is focused like a laser on Obamacare and its problems?

It wouldn’t be because of Ted Cruz and Mike Lee… those guys that didn’t have a strategy, right?

If they had sat back like McCain and just “respectfully disagreed” with Obama, the media would have covered this mess, right? The same media that did everything to cover up the Obamacare mess on the Sunday shows and are currently trying their best to divert attention to the Snowden revelations.

I believe the GOP Establishment and its media shills owe these fine gentlemen an apology and they also need to step out of the way and allow conservatives to lead.

TheRightMan on October 28, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Plus, guess who said this: “Obama and his gang of golfing buddies are idiots.”

Hmmmmm? Michelle, Vald Putin, or Angelina Merkel?

Don L on October 28, 2013 at 11:03 AM

…they also need to step out of the way and allow conservatives to lead.

What and leave all that nice tainted money laying around?

Don L on October 28, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Most people aren’t being aborted either, so I suppose that makes abortion all right?

Don L on October 28, 2013 at 11:06 AM

So, in other words, it is a Ponzi scheme. – chewmeister on October 28, 2013 at 10:08 AM

No, Social Security is a ponzi scheme. Obamacare is an income redistribution scheme, that everyone knows will be underfunded and has been oversold to the voting population.

SC.Charlie on October 28, 2013 at 11:12 AM

To paraphrase the emperor…

This is the health care insurance exchange we have been waiting for.

This is the time when health insurance premiums stopped rising

txdoc on October 28, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Is it just me, or did the Kos article say that Tea Partiers were Truthers in the opening (well, second) paragraph?

The Schaef on October 28, 2013 at 11:19 AM

…Sara Palin is not the spokesperson for freedom minded people…
GeeWhiz on October 28, 2013 at 10:00 AM

And why not…?

he concludes that he hopes she’s right about Socialized healthcare… as he insults her along the way.

ACA was created in response to skyrocketing healthcare costs — a problem directly attributable to the big insurance companies, which are raping patients and doctors with extortionist rates in order to accumulate obscene profits. The common sense solution? Cut out the insurers; put them out of business. Nationalize hospitals and private clinics. Turn doctors and nurses into federal employees.

No hope there.

mankai on October 28, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Yeah, Rall is hoping for socialized medicine/single payer. The only thing he’s upset about is he feels the Obama Admin is too stupid to get us there in an ordered, timely manner. It’s chilling, really, because Palin was right–Obama & Co do want single payer, and the present Obamacare mess is calculated to drive people to ask the government to fix it to make it easier–voila, single payer.

Trouble is, no matter what happens, as long as the government’s involved–whether at this stage or at Ted Rall’s Glorious Utopia of single payer–it will always be a train wreck, happening over and over and over, constantly crashing into people’s lives and destroying their livelihood.

It must be stopped cold before it has the chance.

theotherone on October 28, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Often something becomes an epic failure when it has been over-hyped, over-promised, and under-delivered.

Add the litany of lies spread by the President and his apparatchiks, and you get this EpicClusterFarkNado.

It’s no wonder that a number of Democrats are worried about 2014′s midterm election. But these were the same Democrats who refused to consider any delay or change to the ACA legislation over the last 3 1/2 years. Time they realize that bad decisions have consequences…just like elections.

Athos on October 28, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Tea Party types love conspiracies. Obama is a Kenyan socialist. (So where’s the socialism?) 9/11 was an inside job. (But not a good one.) But sometimes conspiracies turn out to be true — even if they’re weren’t planned that way.

It’s the Tea Party that are the truthers? Umm that would be the Occupy Wallstreet filth, not the TP. As for the Kenyan conspiracy, where there’s smoke and all that. Even when these lefties are FORCED to agree with us they still make up strawmen arguments.

He’s right about one thing, Obama is an idiot

neyney on October 28, 2013 at 11:28 AM

I can see the White House using gradeschool reverse psychology. In a deadpan voice, I hear “No, really. Don’t make us delay. It’ll be fine.” When really delay is what they want and need to keep this thing alive and get them through upcoming midterms.

I believe they should either enforce it fully NOW or kill it NOW. I can’t imagine how much our economy has been adversely affected because of this garbage. In fact, delay will continue to suppress the economy because of the extension of uncertainty. This admin and its followers don’t understand economics.

‘Let’s destroy the economy in order to provide insurance for a few million uninsured.’

freedomfirst on October 28, 2013 at 11:30 AM

no one should have to spend more money on a worse deal

The whole point of obamacare is to cause exactly that. Nevertheless, the bureaucrats believe that they can determine what is a “better deal,” so forcing citizens to buy the “better deal” would not offend statists like obama, manchin, and the rest of the liberal gang.
In the old days, people used to choose their own health plan from a fairly wide choice. Nevertheless, one of the main goals of those on the right criticizing the prior health care system was to make those choices even more broad, by allowing purchases of health insurance across state lines. That goal, however, was itself inconsistent with the state-based statist desire to regulate insurance.

GaltBlvnAtty on October 28, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Shaheen: “The millions of people who want to sign up.”

Really? Or do you mean the “millions” of people being forced off their current plan, which the President stated they could “keep if they liked”, are being counted on to sign up as the financial donkeys to help make this untenable plan work?

So much for “Live Free or Die”.

Marcus Traianus on October 28, 2013 at 11:38 AM

I think that a few of these D’s are starting to realize what Steyn pointed out over the weekend: not only is CGI Federal run by one of Michelle’s friends, but it is particularly noted for its large scale failures when doing jobs for governments.

It failed on the Canadian Firearms Registry.

It failed on the Ontario health care system website rollout.

And it is failing in the exact, same way with Obamacare.

Yeah, its Friends of Barry and Michelle that run crony businesses that get no-bid government contracts and then fail to perform on them. And by ‘fail to perform’ I mean crater on them. Ontario health went back to one of their other contractors to get the job done and is suing CGI Federal on its contract obligations and not meeting them.

The CFR brought the conservatives into power who ended the entire idea, thus CGI was striking a blow for liberty by being absolutely incompetent at tyranny and cronyism.

Remember this is from one of the best friends of the Obamas.

Note the competence or lack thereof.

D’s see failure and wish to get their hands clean of it, but by voting to support Reid and not to actually negotiate with Cruz, they ALL have dirty hands now and failure will not be an orphan and won’t have one father, but will be assigned to the people who supported it to its dreadful end.

ajacksonian on October 28, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Ouch: Poll Finds Less Than 1 In 10 Americans Think Obamacare Has Improved Their Health Care Situation…

Via USA Today:

About one in 10 Americans — 9% — say The Affordable Care Act has improved their health insurance situation in the past year, according to a new survey by Bankrate.com.

The telephone survey asked a representative sample of 1,001 Americans about their knowledge of and feelings about the law that mandates health care insurances for all Americans in coming years.

The survey was conducted from Oct. 17 to 20 after a 16-day federal government shutdown over raising the debt limit ended and the bungled launching of health exchange websites nationwide.

In fact, 38% of uninsured Americans said they feel more negative about the three-year-old law than they did the past year. And 47% of the uninsured say they don’t even know where to turn for information on the act. Uninsured Americans make up about 15% of the population.

Resist We Much on October 28, 2013 at 11:41 AM

George, nobody should be forced to buy a policy that costs more than what they had and is inferior to what they had. Those things have to be worked out.”

Emphasis mine.

Strawman alert. You’ve missed the key point that Democrats are falsely pushing.

That would be the part about Obamacare being “superior” to what they had.

See- it’s for your own good, because you’re too stupid to know what a much better “deal” Obamacare is.

Even though you are paying more.

And your premiums are higher.

And the subsidies don’t really apply to you.

And there are less “services” covered.

And the government gets the last say on what treatment you get.

And the current government run insurance, Medicare, has a higher rate of claim denial than any insurance company.

But it’s for your own good stupid. You just don’t get it.

Marcus Traianus on October 28, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Democratic Consultant With Strong Ties To White House On Obamacare Disaster: “Dem Party Is F*cked”…

Remember the doom and gloom predictions about the GOP being toast after the shutdown? Well that’s going to pale in comparison to the fallout from Obamacare.

Via National Journal:

Incoming from Democrats:

“Dem Party is F****d.” That was the subject line of an email sent to me Sunday by a senior Democratic consultant with strong ties to the White House and Capitol Hill. The body of the email contained a link to this Los Angeles Times story about Obamacare “sticker shock:”

“These middle-class consumers are staring at hefty increases on their insurance bills as the overhaul remakes the healthcare market. Their rates are rising in large part to help offset the higher costs of covering sicker, poorer people who have been shut out of the system for years.”

“Although recent criticism of the healthcare law has focused on website glitches and early enrollment snags, experts say sharp price increases for individual policies have the greatest potential to erode public support for President Obama’s signature legislation.” [...]

The Democratic consultant said none of this is news to him, but he wonders why Obama wasn’t honest with Americans. He predicted surprise and outrage over higher costs and lesser coverage. “We will own this problem forever,” the Democrat wrote.

Resist We Much on October 28, 2013 at 11:45 AM

It looks like Joe Wilson of South Carolina spoke the truth, Obama did lie.

SC.Charlie on October 28, 2013 at 12:02 PM

OmahaConservative on October 28, 2013 at 9:44 AM

It’s an EpicClusterFarkNado ™ .

Shaheen is in trouble in NH for supporting ZeroCare, but it’s too late for her.

dogsoldier on October 28, 2013 at 12:36 PM

It’s not just Senate Democrats refusing to go along with the White House’s happy talk. Try to guess who wrote this response to Sarah Palin on Friday:

Meh, he concludes that he hopes she’s right about Socialized healthcare… as he insults her along the way.

ACA was created in response to skyrocketing healthcare costs — a problem directly attributable to the big insurance companies, which are raping patients and doctors with extortionist rates in order to accumulate obscene profits. The common sense solution? Cut out the insurers; put them out of business. Nationalize hospitals and private clinics. Turn doctors and nurses into federal employees.

No hope there.

mankai on October 28, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Well, Ted Rall is still Ted Rall. His criticism of Obama is from the left. Basically, this is a rehash of the fight between the communists and the fascists. Both are socialists. The fascists just use corporations to accomplish their socialist goals.

Obama is a socialist in his soul, who accepts fascism as the fastest way to get there.

But Rall can still be right about Obama’s incompetence.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 28, 2013 at 1:46 PM

“No, Governor Palin, the truth behind the ACA mess is that Obama and his gang of golfing buddies are idiots.”

I agree with Ted Rall. One of Obama’s golfing buddies is Speaker Boehner. Enough said!!!!

patch on October 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM