Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on October 28, 2013 by Allahpundit

The Obama administration says it’s granting a six-week extension until March 31 for Americans to sign up for coverage next year and avoid new tax penalties under the president’s health care overhaul law.

Monday’s move had been expected since White House spokesman Jay Carney promised quick action last week to resolve a “disconnect” in the implementation of the law. Technical problems continue to trouble the website that’s supposed to be the main enrollment vehicle for people who don’t get health care at work.

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Five House Democrats are asking the Obama administration to seek a refund from the companies that built the ObamaCare website, which has so far failed to work for most people trying to sign up for health insurance.

“It is no secret that the website has not performed in a satisfactory manner,” wrote Reps. Ron Barber (D-Ariz.), William Enyart (D-Ill.), Pete Gallego (D-Texas) Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) and Filemon Vela (D-Texas).

“As a result, we ask that you review the contracts and determine whether CGI Federal and/or any other company involved in the construction of the website has violated the terms of its agreement or is in constructive breach of the contract.”

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Reporters have been doggedly trying to obtain the names of the companies or individuals brought in to help fix problems facing President Obama’s health care law, but they’ve had about as much luck figuring out who is involved in the “tech surge” as learning the identities of SEAL Team Six members

On a Monday afternoon conference call, Alex Wayne of Bloomberg News tried a different approach. Instead of attempting to ask the names of those involved in the tech surge, he asked Batille how many people were involved.

Yet apparently even that was too much to ask, because Bataille responded that she didn’t want those working on the project to be “distracted.”

Because clearly, if the American public is aware of how many people are involved in this project, the brilliant technology wizzes our government has brought on board won’t be able to get any work done at all.

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President Barack Obama has said it again and again: Obamacare is more than just a website. And he’s right — the Affordable Care Act’s benefits aren’t limited to healthcare.gov.

Neither are its hangups…

Consumers are suffering from sticker shock; a major cross-section of previously insured Americans are finding out that their plans are changing to conform with Obamacare even though the president promised they wouldn’t; evidence of customer satisfaction is anecdotal; and there’s still no guarantee that the young “invincibles,” who must make up 20 percent to 30 percent of the pool to make the exchanges work, will actually enroll…

And while subsidies are available to offset the costs to lower income people, individuals making more than $46,000 or a family of four bringing home $94,000, bear the full brunt of the new prices. The big reveal has shocked some consumers, especially the healthy ones who had relatively affordable insurance before and make too much money to get subsidized coverage next year…

“There’s been a whole lot of emphasis on what’s going on with the website, but there’s been a lot less on the people who aren’t going to get subsides,” said Jennifer Beason, an insurance broker in the Atlanta area. “Their rates are going through the roof.”

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The “bronze plan” doesn’t include necessary care, so the couple is looking at the “silver plan,” which starts at $1,400 a month. They are still trying to get an exact handle on the out-of-pocket expenses, but right now it appears as if the total cost will be in the range of $40,000.

The husband has been given three different estimates of the subsidies he will receive from the federal government, from $726 a month to $911 a month. Although that will soften the blow, they will still likely be paying more. (Nothing is certain yet given the rat’s nest of Healthcare.gov).

“We’ve doubled the cost of this guy’s health care. We’ve doubled it,” Johnson says, “and the only way we may make him whole – mayis if the federal taxpayer pays for half of his cost.”

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So far the part of the Obamacare rollout that is going most smoothly and affecting the most people is the cancellation of current insurance polices. In states around the country, hundreds of thousands of people are getting notices from insurers that their plans are no longer allowed by the law. All told, 16 million people may be dumped from their policies, in flagrant contradiction of President Obama’s famous promise that you can keep your health plan if you like it.

Maybe the president didn’t understand the basic architecture of his own health care law, which depends on a government takeover of the individual insurance market. The rules governing the new system impose a novel federal definition of insurance on the country, and plans that don’t meet it, regardless of how well they may have served their customers in the past, are, by and large, verboten. Some are grandfathered, but the rules are strict and a great many existing plans won’t pass muster.

The woes of Healthcare.gov mean that the people with cancelled policies who are supposed to go find new insurance on the exchange can’t for now, and may not be able to by December 15, when they’d need to sign up to stay insured on January 1. When and if the website is finally functioning, many of these people won’t like what they see. In contradiction of another famous Obama promise, they will be charged more for their insurance to subsidize the costs of other people on the exchanges. For millions of Americans, Obamacare will be an experience in plumbing the depths of the dishonesty of President Obama’s case for his signature domestic accomplishment.

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And it’s a national embarrassment whose troubles are only beginning. Unpleasant shocks loom for a majority of Americans who tap into Obamacare exchanges. Those 40 years of age and younger will discover next year their insurance premiums are “a lot higher than they would pay in today’s market,” says health care expert James Capretta. That will create a furor.

So, too, some lower-middle-income and middle-class Americans will find their access to doctors is limited. Why? Because many of the country’s biggest and best hospitals and some doctors have not agreed to take on this category of patients. Also, patients will be forced to endure longer waits as a result of a doctor shortage. In 2015 and 2016, the popular Medicare Advantage program will shrink.

Low-income folks and those with preexisting conditions will prosper under Obamacare. But how will middle-income Americans feel when they learn they’re paying considerably more for the same insurance? Not happy, I suspect. Or those under 30 who chose a “catastrophic-only” policy with high deductibles? They won’t be thrilled when told they are ineligible for a subsidy, whatever their income.

The point is that as Obamacare is rolled out over the final years of this presidency, there will be numerous occasions when Obama’s promises about the new health insurance scheme are exposed as untrue. If these incidents don’t provoke a crisis, they’ll at least keep Obamacare from fading as a prominent and fiercely debated issue.

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In advance of Obamacare’s launch, my expectation was that The Fixers had the best shot at taking the presidency in 2016, from the right or from the left. While Obamacare would still be anathema to the Republican base, and no candidate in his right mind (except perhaps the next Jon Huntsman) would talk of fixing it while running for the GOP nomination, if the policy worked at least well enough to not be a disaster, it would remain in force for the foreseeable future. The post-Obama conversation on the right or left would shift to the components of the measure, and long-delayed negotiations over gradualist fixes and tweaks could finally begin.

This expectation has proven, to this point, completely wrong. The likelihood of exemption and extension – of the mandate and open enrollment – on a major scale rises every week. If Obamacare effectively ends up turning into an expansion of Medicaid for about half the states, it will be far easier to repeal, and the political debate about health policy will shift dramatically away from such approaches.

Should Obamacare’s tech surge fail and lead to these types of delays, 2016 could very well turn into a three way debate: between those who think Obamacare can be fixed; those who think the problem with Obamacare was that it went too far; and those who think the problem with Obamacare was that it didn’t go far enough. In a sense, such a debate would make for a more honest depiction of the factions within health care policy and a more clear-eyed view of the unacceptable status quo. At the moment in the United States, we have the worst of both worlds: a partially single payer and partially third party payer system which does a lot of things well, but does everything for far too much, since nobody cares what something costs so long as someone else is paying for it.

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Healthcare.gov showed us that behind all the smoother and shinier designs was the same old clunky government where everything gets done because the right companies hire the right lobbyists and everything costs ten times what it should.

If the government can’t build a health care website, how is it going to actually run health care for an entire country is the obvious question that so many are asking. And the obvious answer is that it will run it the way it ran the website. It will throw wads of money and people at the problem and then look for programs it doesn’t like to squeeze for extra cash…

The United States government is the ultimate giant unworkable mess. It is a living cargo cult where everyone marches around following routines that are supposed to yield great prosperity, but never do. The processes themselves are broken and make no sense, but the cargo culturers of the government cannot and will not hear that. They know that the government will magically make everything work…

In cargo cult America, the food is free, the cell phones are free and the money can be printed forever because government is magic.

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“If the president had said, ‘If you like your plan can keep it for double the price,’ I don’t think that people probably would have been as supportive. So I think that his primary problem is that he made a promise that he is not following through on.”

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“I want to assure brother Williams that there is no schadenfreude because I’m not even pretending to be sorrowful,” Will continued. “Of course I want Obamacare to fail, because if it doesn’t fail, it will just further entangle American society with a government that is not up to this. For 100 years, Juan, the narratives of progressives from Woodrow Wilson on, is that progress will come if and only if we concentrate more and more power in Washington, more and more Washington power in the executive branch and more executive power in the hands of experts — disinterested experts such as those who designed HealthCare.gov.”

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DEAN: The government has a right to make sure that when you buy something it is what it’s supposed to be.

KRISTOL: And to force you into the exchange? That’s what they’re doing.

DEAN: I think that’s okay because I think in the long run, what’s been happening in the past is those policies that get sold don’t cover what you think they cover. And furthermore, and this used to happen when I was practicing, an insurance company would pull your insurance if you got sick. That is not allowed anymore under Obamacare.

I think Obamacare is in fact going to be the reason that we are going to pick up seats in the House and we are not going to lose the Senate.


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Schadenfreude on October 29, 2013 at 2:19 AM

But who knows what in the Hell they think they’re doing?

novaculus on October 29, 2013 at 1:54 AM

They’re still doing it. Bet nobody’s in bed.

Axe on October 29, 2013 at 2:21 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNl6JpIBG4U

going2mars on October 29, 2013 at 2:22 AM

HighLights of All Hopey/Changey lies, from 2007 onwards, a great refresher:
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VIDEO:(25:20)

A-Typical Progressive Liberal Democrat – Words Matter – Redux
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25:20 minutes of pure lies and hypocrisy…ENJOY…Well that is, If truth doesn’t get buried 20 pages back..instead of recent items.. Like usual.

Added: 3 hours ago Occurred On: Oct-28-2013
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=962_1383010766

canopfor on October 29, 2013 at 2:22 AM

Night my American Neighbours,..a quick Drive-By!

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canopfor on October 29, 2013 at 2:23 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IJzYAda1wA

going2mars on October 29, 2013 at 2:26 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCrrZ1NnCuM

going2mars on October 29, 2013 at 2:31 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXyhb9pmxL4

this will make you all nappy
soft…slow….sultry…

going2mars on October 29, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Who is Howard screaming Dean to tell me he needs to protect me because I’m too stupid to know what’s in my own insurance policy?

Tell him to mind his own business. I’m quite capable of minding mine.

IndieDogg on October 29, 2013 at 2:52 AM

Coulter is on Red Eye if your still up..

going2mars on October 29, 2013 at 3:02 AM

Have you seen the Obamacare girl?

kcewa on October 29, 2013 at 3:07 AM

“There’s been a whole lot of emphasis on what’s going on with the website, but there’s been a lot less on the people who aren’t going to get subsides,” said Jennifer Beason, an insurance broker in the Atlanta area. “Their rates are going through the roof.”

Democrats next step to resolve the problem of higher premium costs – raise the threshold of who can receive subsidies of course! Meaning more taxing “the rich” and borrowing/printing money to pay for those subsidies.

Looks like they jacked up the living expenses of the middle class, and in response to ease that burden they created they will now demand higher taxes to pay for those subsidies.

It’s all a matter now how they are going to message it.

gumble on October 29, 2013 at 4:20 AM

Looks like they jacked up the living expenses of the middle class, and in response to ease that burden they created they will now demand higher taxes to pay for those subsidies.

gumble on October 29, 2013 at 4:20 AM

The problem they have is they can’t demand taxes from the middle class to relieve the burden they’ve placed on the middle class.

kcewa on October 29, 2013 at 4:28 AM

‘Actually, ANY insurance that you currently have would be grandfathered in so you could keep it. So you could decide not to get in the exchange the better plan. I could keep my Acme Insurance, just a high deductible catastrophic plan. I would not be required to get the better one.’

- President Barack Obama, 25 February 2010

Obama lied.

Plans died.

Resist We Much on October 29, 2013 at 5:37 AM

poor eugene robinson trying to defend obama for lying about you can keep your plan…he knew folks were not and KEPT saying the opposite…

eugene still spinning for dear leader….

HIGHLARIOUS :)

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 6:09 AM

but but the majority of folks are going to keep their plan
-eugene spinning…

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 6:10 AM

mika mysteriously absent this am…couldn’t spin this crapola could she…

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 6:11 AM

“It is abundantly clear that a total review of all intelligence programs is necessary so that members of the Senate Intelligence Committee are fully informed as to what is actually being carried out by the intelligence community,” Feinstein said.
Feinstein has been one of the NSA’s staunchest congressional defenders amid the uproar over its phone records surveillance, but she said that the spying on foreign leaders without President Obama’s knowledge was a “big problem.”

Running scared and trying to cover for Obama. As if she and he didn’t know what was going on.

kcewa on October 29, 2013 at 6:17 AM

but but the majority of folks are going to keep their plan
-eugene spinning…

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 6:10 AM

It’ll just cost more.

kcewa on October 29, 2013 at 6:21 AM

BUSH!!!!!!

mika gotta place the blame on someone other than dear leader re: spying on allies…

she must have gotten her email blast a little late

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 6:22 AM

kcewa on October 29, 2013 at 6:21 AM

he lied about that too…

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 6:24 AM

he lied about that too…

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 6:24 AM

But he didn’t know he was lying until he read about it in the paper.

kcewa on October 29, 2013 at 6:36 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Trolls.

…it’s about putting you in charge of your health insurance. Under the reforms we seek, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.

– President Barack Hussein Obama, Weekly Address, August 8, 2009
My take: Obamacare: NBC Cried, “Obama Lied!!!”

kingsjester on October 29, 2013 at 6:46 AM

kcewa on October 29, 2013 at 6:36 AM

ya got me there :)

heh

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 6:54 AM

KJ, well done. Of course, MSM is distancing themselves. Their very real fear of irrelevancy has come to pass. It is beyond dreadful that Benghazi is only now being covered by CBS. Sharyl Attkisson has known for a year what was going in there….why the need to put that out there at this point in time? SNL does a brutal takedown of obamalamadingdongcare this past weekend–perhaps a thrown gauntlet to its news division? Does the MSM think they have “gotten out ahead of the news” the way they were stating that Obama had, when he had his Rose Garden address? They are so far BEHIND the news, they can’t even say they are leading! The interwebs, for better or for worse, has utterly trounced them in speed of information and reading vs. viewing demographics. The dominoes are falling–quickly and mightily.

Setting the table for Hillary or Lizzie…no doubt…but what good is a set table of nobody shows up to the party?

My take. : )))

herm2416 on October 29, 2013 at 7:00 AM

kingsjester on October 29, 2013 at 6:46 AM

another excellent take KJ…

morning :)

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 7:03 AM

Herm…
There will be plenty of takers at that table IYKWIM

ted c on October 29, 2013 at 7:05 AM

Remember that Obamacare was one of the first Leftist tries to establish a flat tax with everyone required to pay something!

That $95 or 1% of your income, whichever is greater deal is a flat tax with a graduation down to $95 for the POOR if they don’t get ‘coverage’.

Perhaps it is time to recraft this and point out that if we scrapped the entire tax code and used the Obamacare ‘penalty’ tax system, then we could do with a 12% flat tax that graduates down to $1140/year on the POOR. That is an exact scaling of the Obamacare ‘penalty’ tax, and if you are against 12% as being ‘unfair’ then it is no more ‘unfair’ than it is at 1%. Yet it is part of Obamacare’s ‘penalty’ tax… or is that ‘tax’ penalty? Roberts has a lot to answer for on this…

So when it comes time to start scrapping Obamacare and then take a look at the tax code, just institute the ‘fair’ system the Left wanted as a ‘penalty’ or a ‘tax’ penalty or a ‘penalty’ tax, and scale it up just enough to generate significant revenue. Beats me what that percentage would be, actually, but what the government ingests now at 18%+deficits adding to debt is unsustainable. Spending must go down and taxation must be made so that every living soul with a sound mind and ability to do enough math to buy a cheeseburger can understand it.

That is the only plus out of Obamacare: the first hint that it is possible to institute a flat tax with graduation for the poor, but something that everyone is required to pay something on out of their pocket. You can’t point to the Right getting this done! The Left started it, so it is time to snip out a few lines, expand that to meet revenue needs and then re-purpose it. If you don’t like it at 12% then just where do you like it? The poor do not get away with paying nothing into the government and the people who did this are on the Left, not the right. And, no, it being a ‘penalty’ doesn’t matter as it is just tax revenue with a few bells and whistles on. Remove the bells and whistles, toss out the tax code, and expand the line by editing it down and changing the percentage and minimum payment. Index that latter to inflation by what the rest of the non-graduated payment people actually contributed the prior year as compared to the year before that. The poor get to lag inflation on taxes by a couple of years! They get a chance to earn more to get ahead on taxes! That is their path out of being POOR and is a great dodge as an incentive to stop being POOR.

Remember when bad-mouthing Obamacare, point out you like the flat tax in it. That will derange the Left no end.

ajacksonian on October 29, 2013 at 7:11 AM

herm2416 on October 29, 2013 at 7:00 AM
cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 7:03 AM

Thanks, y’all!

kingsjester on October 29, 2013 at 7:13 AM

On a Monday afternoon conference call, Alex Wayne of Bloomberg News tried a different approach. Instead of attempting to ask the names of those involved in the tech surge, he asked Batille how many people were involved.

Yet apparently even that was too much to ask, because Bataille responded that she didn’t want those working on the project to be “distracted.”

Because clearly, if the American public is aware of how many people are involved in this project, the brilliant technology wizzes our government has brought on board won’t be able to get any work done at all.

Transparency. Most ever. In all of recorded US Presidential history.

smoothsailing on October 29, 2013 at 7:21 AM

Herm…
There will be plenty of takers at that table IYKWIM

ted c on October 29, 2013 at 7:05 AM

I do! But what of the independents and the conservative Dems? Do you think they will still buy into the story? Unless, of course, making history electing the first biracial president wasn’t enough of a lesson and they go for making history with the first (questionably) female president?

Ugh.

It is all about the “narrative.”

herm2416 on October 29, 2013 at 7:25 AM

Obama, his minions and his propagandists in the media should be tried, convicted and jailed.
They will have inflicted more pain and suffering on the people of this nation than any foreign enemy could ever have dreamed of doing.

justltl on October 29, 2013 at 7:54 AM

DEAN: The government has a right to make sure that when you buy something it is what it’s supposed to be.

KRISTOL: And to force you into the exchange? That’s what they’re doing.

The govt doesn’t have rights, you idiot, WE THE PEOPLE are supposed to be the ones with rights. This mindset that govt can give us nothing but goodies and force us to buy them is what’s wrong with DC. We cannot be ‘transitioned’ into what they think is right for us.

Kissmygrits on October 29, 2013 at 7:57 AM

Ok, folks … here is what I am seeing in terms of differences:

The ORIGINAL story had the following paragraph in it:

None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example — the policy would not be grandfathered.

That paragraph is now completely gone from the REPOSTED version.

The REPOSTED version has had this paragraph added:

The Affordable Care Act will not affect most traditional employer-based plans, but many of those who purchased insurance policies on their own will see higher premiums. This is in part due to the 10 essential health benefits insurance providers are now required to include. NBC’s Peter Alexander reports.

Pete Alexander was not quoted or involved in the ORIGNAL report.

So the White House got the part SLAMMING them takne out and had some new words added to make sure people with “employer-based plans” could be told to go back to sleep – there is nothing to see here.

PolAgnostic on October 29, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Excellent work. Thank you.

ITguy on October 29, 2013 at 8:29 AM

The 2008 Obama campaign Obamacare promises:

http://web.archive.org/web/20081221095737/http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Obama08_HealthcareFAQ.pdf

ITguy on October 29, 2013 at 8:40 AM

I think Obamacare is in fact going to be the reason that we are going to pick up seats in the House and we are not going to lose the Senate.

Has Doctor Yeeaaaarrrrggghhhh asked Mark Pryor, Mary Landrieu, Joe Manchin, Kay Hagan, and Mark Begich about their strategy for holding the Senate? They might beg to differ…

Steve Z on October 29, 2013 at 11:56 AM

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