Question for Jay Carney: Didn’t Obama lie when he told people, “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan”? Update: Obama knew for at least three years

posted at 5:11 pm on October 28, 2013 by Allahpundit

Here’s Ed Henry of Fox News picking up right where my last post left off. Everyone remembers Obama endlessly promising in the run-up to O-Care’s passage that you’ll be allowed to keep your plan if you like it. What you may not remember, but which righties like Charles Cooke of NRO are reminding people about on Twitter today, is that The One was unusually unequivocal in making that promise. Go look at the long list of quotes compiled at the end of this recent post at Forbes. Here’s my favorite, from his address to the AMA in June 2009:

“No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what. My view is that health-care reform should be guided by a simple principle: Fix what’s broken and build on what works.”

All that’s missing is a perfunctory “let me be clear.” Carney’s reply to this is, essentially, (a) a lot of people will be able to keep their plan if they like it, even if it’s not quite everyone, and (b) those who are getting dropped from their plans will get more comprehensive coverage on the exchanges. The latter point is like having the CEO of DirecTV tell customers that their monthly bill is about to double but they’ll now receive an extra hundred channels in return, maybe one or two of which people will actually watch. Comprehensive coverage is lovely, but if you’re on a budget basic coverage might be more cost-effective; why pay $1,000 extra a year for a new package that includes substance-abuse treatment, say, if you don’t drink or do drugs? Obama took the option of cheaper catastrophic care away from people because insurers wanted to squeeze healthy middle-class suckers for extra revenue by forcing coverage on them that they don’t need. And yet Carney’s basically selling this as a *good* thing about the law, a sort of upgrade over the basic — but affordable! — plans people have now. Remind me again: Isn’t “affordability” supposed to be a key plank of the Affordable Care Act?

As to the first point, that a lot of people will be keeping their plans, it depends on how you define “a lot.” Sixteen million people being dropped and half of them being forced to pay more sounds like “a lot” too:

[A]ccording to health care analyst Bob Laszewski, about 19 million people are currently in the individual health insurance market and 16 million of them are going to lose their current plan thanks to Obamacare.

Now many of those people will qualify for tax payer subsidies that will help them afford the higher premiums. But how many people that currently have individual health insurance will qualify for any help?

Well, according to a recent Kaiser Study, that number is less than half. Just 48 percent of people now buying their own insurance will be eligible for a tax credit that will help protect them from sticker shock.

That’s 8 million Americans who, like Deborah Cavallaro will be “infuriated because I was lied to.”

Two clips for you, one of Carney not answering Henry’s question and the other of him politely dodging when CNN’s Jim Acosta asks why Obama never seems to have any advance warning when his administration’s engaged in a grand cock-up. The IRS scandal, NSA eavesdropping on world leaders, and now the Healthcare.gov rollout — somehow his inner circle spared The One any prior notice of these debacles until it was too late. You would think Obama would be enraged by now that his yes-men keep letting him get blindsided this way, but no one is fired, no one is held accountable. Go figure.


Update: Of course he knew. How could he not have known that people would be dumped onto more expensive plans when he was counting on the higher revenue from premiums for those plans to help cover other people’s preexisting conditions? The law is supposed to work this way. Of course he knew.

But he didn’t want you to know. So he and his deputies lied and lied and lied.

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example — the policy would not be grandfathered.

Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”…

“This says that when they made the promise, they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” said Robert Laszewski, of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, a consultant who works for health industry firms.

So they carved out a phony “grandfather” provision to take some political heat off of themselves while the law was being debated in Congress, then basically eviscerated it after the law passed to quietly maximize the number of people who got soaked. Laszewski himself is suddenly staring at a 66 percent premium increase and higher out-of-pocket costs now that his own plan got canceled. Remember when John Roberts was torn to shreds by righties for calling the mandate a tax? The mandate might not be a tax, but the provisions about which plans are and aren’t legal under the law effectively is. It’s a direct hit on middle-class wealth in the name of subsidizing the sick. But rather than sell it that way, as a de facto tax to provide welfare for the needy, and risk a political backlash, Obama chose to lie his ass off in falsely reassuring people they could keep their plan if they liked it. You’re welcome, America.


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Must suck to be Jay C these days…

OmahaConservative on October 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM

(b) those who are getting dropped from their plans will get more comprehensive coverage on the exchanges.

No mention that it will cost a H of a lot more?

In proggie-speak, ‘comprehensive’ means:

-free birth control
-free drug and alcohol rehab

Is that worth all that extra premium?

slickwillie2001 on October 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Didn’t Obama lie when he told people, “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan”?

Were his lips moving when he said it? Yes? OK, it was a lie.

wkh on October 28, 2013 at 5:16 PM

If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period

You can try to keep it, but what if they don’t keep you??? Dropping of coverage can happen 2 ways holmes….either by the covered, or by the company providing the coverage….

ted c on October 28, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Can you imagine having him hooked up to a polygraph machine with the results being displayed in the background? One sick cretin doing the devil’s work.

hillsoftx on October 28, 2013 at 5:17 PM

If the resident lefties weren’t cowering like the curs they are I would ask them all sorts of interesting questions.

Bishop on October 28, 2013 at 5:17 PM

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_YEMEN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-10-28-16-57-26

Squirrel!!

aka, terrorist attack in yemen, near US embassy

ted c on October 28, 2013 at 5:18 PM

I think the complete quote is something like thin :

“No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. Now if your doctor doesn’t want to keep you , or your insurance providers don’t want to keep you, that is not my problem because I’m black and cool and my wife used to dump patients ”

burrata on October 28, 2013 at 5:19 PM

…those who are getting dropped from their plans will get more comprehensive coverage on the exchanges.

That’s an unacceptable excuse and should be vigorously challenged. When I choose my health care plan I select the coverage I may need. As a 47 yr old man, that doesn’t include coverage for birth control. I also don’t think I’ll need rehab in my lifetime so the more comprehensive coverage excuse is crap. It’s a transparent subsidy fir others.

Charlemagne on October 28, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Barack Obama: In charge of everything, but responsible for nothing.

Resist We Much on October 28, 2013 at 5:20 PM

So, Jay…Merkel/Germany are no longer our ally therefore must be spied upon?

Interesting….

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 28, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Must suck to be Jay C these days…

OmahaConservative on October 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Not really. I mean, it’s not like anyone holds him accountable for anything.

For that matter, not one holds ANYONE in this administration accountable for ANYTHING.

I sure wish I had a job where I could make well into six figures and not be held accountable for anything.

UltimateBob on October 28, 2013 at 5:21 PM

See, Obama knows everyone secretly dislikes their plan, they just won’t admit it to anyone, not even themselves.
So, you can’t prove he was wrong!

Still the smartest guy in the room!

Marcola on October 28, 2013 at 5:22 PM

I would love to get Carney on the stand under cross-examination.

Blaise on October 28, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Being told that you now have MORE coverage is similar to your Homeowner’s Policy going up 3x, but you’re told “No worries! If you ever get a boat, it’s now covered!”

I’m sure that 61 year old single guy is grateful for the maternity and birth control additions to his new ACA policy.

GarandFan on October 28, 2013 at 5:23 PM

I understand that all of the reporters in that room are well-compensated for doing very little – BUT! -

Sitting there every day being lied and condescended to by Jay Carney, should provoke a visceral reaction of some sort. Do the press in the WH briefing room view it as just a show in which they are merely actors playing their roles.

pilsener on October 28, 2013 at 5:23 PM

That’s an unacceptable excuse and should be vigorously challenged. When I choose my health care plan I select the coverage I may need.

Charlemagne on October 28, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Here’s a hint for you, homophobe, “choice” is only for a woman aborting a child, not for you dumb rubes buying insurance in Flyoverville.

Read a book sometime and educate yourself.

Bishop on October 28, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Why are they so good at NSA technology and so bad at ObamaCare technology?

d1carter on October 28, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Carney went to the back up spin. They figured it out in an emergency focus group this weekend at the whitehouse.

jake49 on October 28, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Such an accomplished liar, without a conscience.

RoyalFlush on October 28, 2013 at 5:25 PM

I’m more worried of them spying on Americans than I am spying on Angela Merkel.

d1carter on October 28, 2013 at 5:26 PM

I swear Jay carney and Rachel maddow ate the same person….

Tilly on October 28, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Jim Acosta asks why Obama never seems to have any advance warning when his administration’s engaged in a grand cock-up.

The Idda Know Presidency.

ted c on October 28, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Barack Obama: In charge of everything, but responsible for nothing.

Resist We Much on October 28, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Sounds like a great bumper sticker!

esr1951 on October 28, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Sorry, I can’t really follow this story at the moment, I’m getting a call on my free phone… oh, it’s Gallup… yeah, I’m voting DEM on election day!

mankai on October 28, 2013 at 5:28 PM

President Jarrett will get to the bottom of this.

mankai on October 28, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Former Dem Staffer: “I Spent Two Years Defending Obamacare… I Was Wrong. Very Wrong”…

Resist We Much on October 28, 2013 at 5:21 PM

That’s why everyone on the Hill and everyone in the White House should have to enroll in Obamacare without any exemptions or subsidies.

INC on October 28, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Carney doesn’t care as long as he gets his payola.

Afterall tomorrow is another day…and this is just another reality tv show.

workingclass artist on October 28, 2013 at 5:29 PM

“..the other of him politely dodging when CNN’s Jim Acosta asks why Obama never seems to have any advance warning when his administration’s engaged in a grand cock-up. The IRS scandal, NSA eavesdropping on world leaders, and now the Healthcare.gov rollout — somehow his inner circle spared The One any prior notice of these debacles until it was too late. You would think Obama would be enraged by now that his yes-men keep letting him get blindsided this way, but no one is fired, no one is held accountable. Go figure.”

Yes, AP, one would think that at five years into this soiree, this assshole, President Stool Sample, would be a little more aware of what’s going on.

Let’s face it, he is a blinking, naive child — worse — a paramecium swimming towards the light. (Or is that away from the light? I forget.)

The War Planner on October 28, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Charlemagne on October 28, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Of course you are right, but in Liberal Utopia, the government will tell you:

How much you are worth and what amount of money you should make.
How much is your fair share of what they will to take from you.

What your required health insurance coverage must be, regardless if you have the means to just pay cash for services or not.

How much you can save and accumulate for your retirement without being penalized and therefore limiting your disposable income in your retirement years.

can_con on October 28, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Why fire people when a) everything is going exactly as planned, and b) after 2 days, nobody gives a crap about the scandal. No scandal is too big. Obama could walk onto the senate floor and blow Ted Cruz’s head off and the country would let out a collective “meh”, especially if O’s excuse is “I didn’t know the gun was loaded!”

tdarrington on October 28, 2013 at 5:31 PM

All that’s missing is a perfunctory “let me be clear.”

AP, surely you know better than to expect the truth from a man saying something so patently ridiculous that can’t even muster up his “I swear I’m not lying” catchphrase. He was basically saying “Even I don’t believe my own bullsh*t on this one.”

RINO in Name Only on October 28, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Carney the Cockeyman…he must be aware by now that he is accountable to no one, just like all the others.

scalleywag on October 28, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Let me be clear and make no mistake about it, President Obama is a lying sack. Thank you.

Mason on October 28, 2013 at 5:32 PM

why pay $1,000 extra a year for a new package that includes substance-abuse treatment, say, if you don’t drink or do drugs?

That mandate is a really suspicious one. And each person on your plan has to pay for that coverage…what were they planning to do with that?

So is the maternity care. It is kind of surprising when we have read recently that half the births in this country this year were paid for by Medicaid. The hospitals must be recouping their losses and replenishing the equipment in the nursery on the private patients. And we don’t yet know how lavish the fertility treatments and how expensive the IVF might be that we all have to pay for, that is where the real costs are. That ought to be a choice not a mandate.

Fleuries on October 28, 2013 at 5:36 PM

(b) those who are getting dropped from their plans will get more comprehensive coverage on the exchanges.

No mention that it will cost a H of a lot more?

In proggie-speak, ‘comprehensive’ means:

-free birth control
-free drug and alcohol rehab

Is that worth all that extra premium?

slickwillie2001 on October 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Um, that translation is incomplete. See when they say “free,” in proggie-speak that means “someone somewhere is extorted for a buttload more money, and we LIKE that unless it’s us proggies getting what we deserve.”

CapnObvious on October 28, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Well, the president is certainly making history, just not in a good way. People may not remember the other scandals, but when you reach into their hard earned cash and gouge them for insurance when what they had was affordable coverage they were happy with, boy oh boy. There’s your legacy in a nutshell. Own it.

scalleywag on October 28, 2013 at 5:38 PM

CNN’s Jim Acosta asks why Obama never seems to have any advance warning when his administration’s engaged in a grand cock-up. The IRS scandal, NSA eavesdropping on world leaders, and now the Healthcare.gov rollout — somehow his inner circle spared The One any prior notice of these debacles until it was too late.

… Fast & Furious, Benghazi, etc. …

ITguy on October 28, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Can you imagine having him hooked up to a polygraph machine with the results being displayed in the background? One sick cretin doing the devil’s work.

hillsoftx on October 28, 2013 at 5:17 PM

The machine would melt into the floor, and likely pop out the other side of the globe.

Dongemaharu on October 28, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Stolen from Twitter….

Dear Leader: If I like your plan, you can keep it.

d1carter on October 28, 2013 at 5:40 PM

In case you missed this interview, here is Ezekiel Emanuel, the architect of Obamacare. Forget what the little wanna be radicals say and go straight to the top.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/megyn-kelly-grills-zeke-emanuel-on-obamacare-promises-was-obama-lying-or-grossly-mistaken/

ziggyville on October 28, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Two clips for you, one of Carney not answering Henry’s question and the other of him politely dodging when CNN’s Jim Acosta asks why Obama never seems to have any advance warning when his administration’s engaged in a grand cock-up.

Isn’t that what Viagra is for?

Steve Z on October 28, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Like I said elsewhere, let’s just give $10K every year to every American citizen between the ages of 27 and 65. That’s probably about 100 million people (because the others are children, or retired and on Medicare). That will cost $1 trillion. That’s way cheaper than setting up and running ObeyMeCare and destroying the health insurance industry. Then we can allocate the $10K the way we want. People with families can get platinum health plans to cover their premiums and deductibles. The others can blow it on lattes, beer, and strip clubs (thus boosting the economy). It is all funny money anyway and the resulting inflation will boost home prices. *grin*

SunSword on October 28, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but won’t these same cancellations and rate increases occur a year from now when the business mandates kick in? Won’t company plans have to comply then? Is it possible then that another 50 million people will have their insurance policies changed in major ways? Just curious.

KMav on October 28, 2013 at 5:44 PM

People who are being blind-sided now by Obama’s lies should have been paying attention sooner.

It was clear in 2009 and 2010 that Obama’s 2008 repeated promises to put all healthcare repform discussions on C-SPAN were, in fact, LIES. He had absolutely NO intention of keeping these promises: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVkzm0YPAc

ITguy on October 28, 2013 at 5:45 PM

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16 million of them are going to lose their current plan thanks to Obamacare.

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My recollection is that ObamaCare was conjured up because apparently 30 million people did not have or qualify for health insurance.
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Figuring 16 million is a low number, as we’re still waiting for the Employer Mandate to happen, if another 14 million people lose their plan …
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… why is there any need for ObamaCare at all?
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What benefit is there to making health insurance more expensive for all?
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… besides Fairness© and Social Justice™ …
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Arbalest on October 28, 2013 at 5:46 PM

I almost feel sorry for Carney. Almost.

Kenz on October 28, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Someone should bring a class-action lawsuit against Obama demanding $100 in restitution from Obama’s personal funds for every person whose health insurance was cancelled due to Obamacare. This would probably force Obama to sign the repeal within a week!

Steve Z on October 28, 2013 at 5:46 PM

why pay $1,000 extra a year for a new package that includes substance-abuse treatment, say, if you don’t drink or do drugs?
That mandate is a really suspicious one. And each person on your plan has to pay for that coverage…what were they planning to do with that?
Fleuries on October 28, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Ya it is.
Consider this – if you actually use the mental health or substance abuse treatment – you lose or will never get a government (especially DoD) security clearnace, and under their gun control policies you will not be allowed to have a gun.

How does that line up with your suspicions?

dentarthurdent on October 28, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Let me be clear, YES!

Let me be present and know what the f*ck is going on…. NO!

ted c on October 28, 2013 at 5:48 PM

How does 16 million people losing their insurance translate into votes? What does the 16 million represent, 8 million voters when accounting for minors covered? If, of the 8 million, 6 million get don’t get subsidies or the subsidies are insufficient to assuage the outrage for the price hike/being taken for suckers, that’s equivalent to an average of 120,000 votes per state.

If you just split that number in half for previous voting tendency, that’s 60k, but that 60k is a 120k swing when looking at the winning margins in previous elections, after suitable adjustment commensurate to state population being above or below the average.

There is no way this is not going to be a disaster of epic proportions for Dems come November 2014, no matter what they might try to do now to staunch or delay the wounds caused by their fiasco since as long as Obamacare is on the books this sword will be hanging over people’s heads.

Dusty on October 28, 2013 at 5:49 PM

I swear Jay carney and Rachel maddow ate the same person….

Tilly on October 28, 2013 at 5:27 PM

I didn’t know they were cannibals…

Steve Z on October 28, 2013 at 5:50 PM

If you like your plan, well, the hell with you…..
/policies.

ted c on October 28, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but won’t these same cancellations and rate increases occur a year from now when the business mandates kick in? Won’t company plans have to comply then? Is it possible then that another 50 million people will have their insurance policies changed in major ways? Just curious.

KMav on October 28, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Excellent question!

Clearly, the Democrats had their reasons for not wanting those changes to come to light until AFTER the 2014 elections. Let’s hope that companies get the word out in September & October 2014, and don’t wait until after the November elections.

ITguy on October 28, 2013 at 5:50 PM

If you like your plan, well, the hell with you…..
/policies.

ted c on October 28, 2013 at 5:50 PM

If you like your plan, call 1-800-F1UCK-YOU!

ITguy on October 28, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but won’t these same cancellations and rate increases occur a year from now when the business mandates kick in? Won’t company plans have to comply then? Is it possible then that another 50 million people will have their insurance policies changed in major ways? Just curious.

KMav on October 28, 2013 at 5:44 PM

That’s how I understood it as well.

mbs on October 28, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Is that worth all that extra premium?

slickwillie2001 on October 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Look on the bright side. Sandra Fluke can get unlimited birth control for unlimited one-night stands. Ain’t that awesome?

Steve Z on October 28, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Thing is, they could have delivered on this promise if they had written the law to grandfather in all existin HC plans and their customers. Instead, they couldn’t resist the opportunity to take over control of what HC plans must, may, and may not, provide. If they wanted to do the latter it’s just dishonest to promise the former.

jdp629 on October 28, 2013 at 5:55 PM

(b) those who are getting dropped from their plans will get more comprehensive coverage on the exchanges.

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We will decide what is best for you, Comrade, based on what the totality of the society needs and, of course, your needs. Stop struggling and enjoy life that has never been so good for any humans anywhere. You no longer need to face these difficult decisions which cloud your mind; work hard, Comrade, and enjoy life here in Utopia! The benefits are all yours!

ExpressoBold on October 28, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Consider this – if you actually use the mental health or substance abuse treatment – you lose or will never get a government (especially DoD) security clearnace, and under their gun control policies you will not be allowed to have a gun.

How does that line up with your suspicions?

dentarthurdent on October 28, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Additional note:
See ATF form 4473, questions e and f.

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

dentarthurdent on October 28, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Meh. When those cowardly White House reporters rise en masse to attack this unholy debacle, then I’ll start giving them some serious attention.

HiJack on October 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM

I’d love to post a link to this at reddit, but HotAir is a banned domain at the politics sub. I’d love to see the Left’s excuses they’d certainly pull out of thin air.

What a disaster this is already, and it’s barely gotten off the runway.

JetBoy on October 28, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Oh, he wants to fire people, but Valerie has told him that it would generate bad visuals as they tried to explain why aides that were previously described as “brilliant” and “highly competent” were now being sacked for being not so brilliant, and obviously incompetent.
Plus, she can’t figure out a way to “fire” Barry.

Another Drew on October 28, 2013 at 6:06 PM

I’d love to post a link to this at reddit, but HotAir is a banned domain at the politics sub.

JetBoy on October 28, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Use tinyurl.com

Resist We Much on October 28, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Ezekiel Emanuel, the architect of Obamacare.
ziggyville on October 28, 2013 at 5:41 PM

If he’s not the architect of Obamacare, he’s the number one proponent of the idea that old people should be denied treatment in favor of bureaucrat-directed euthanasia. Tom Daschle is on board with this, too. And Obama publicly suggested that a cancer patient in her late nineties should be denied a hip replacement, and just take the pain pill instead (as if she would only be allowed only one). But don’t accuse any of them of seeking to impose death panels on us all.

86 on October 28, 2013 at 6:11 PM

When Obie made those claims, the bill hadn’t been fully written yet.
Can’t blame him for not knowing THAT, too.
Snort.

pambi on October 28, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Wow, old Jay’s stock answer for everything is:

Blah…blah…blahblah…The fact of the matter is (Dramatic Pause)..BLAHBLAHBLAH..BLah…blah.
(snotty smirk)…so BLah blah blah.

BigWyo on October 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Democratic staffer (former) for Bill Foster (whom I voted against second time around because Foster voted for ObamaCare, and wouldn’t permit open voter meetings — is really mad because her health insurance costs are going up. And she’s writing Dems! SHe used to be a mayor, too … http://www.suntimes.com/news/marin/23352031-452/obamacare-jacks-up-her-insurance.html

lizzieillinois on October 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Carney’s reply to this is, essentially, (a) a lot of people will be able to keep their plan if they like it, even if it’s not quite everyone, and (b) those who are getting dropped from their plans will get more comprehensive coverage on the exchanges. The latter point is like having the CEO of DirecTV tell customers that their monthly bill is about to double but they’ll now receive an extra hundred channels in return, maybe one or two of which people will actually watch.

That’s actually a great example. Or to put it another way, they’re forcing everyone to buy a luxury car when a beat-up pickup might be all you can afford or need.

So much for customer choice.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 28, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Is it OK to say that “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan” is now officially worse than “Read my lips: no new taxes” as the worst presidential broken promise?

Asking for a friend. /sarc

Robert_Paulson on October 28, 2013 at 6:24 PM

so we were right all along

ted c on October 28, 2013 at 6:25 PM

they have been trying to put lipstick on this pig since 2010.

ted c on October 28, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Update: Of course he knew. How could he not have known that people would be dumped onto more expensive plans when he was counting on the higher revenue from premiums for those plans to help cover other people’s preexisting conditions? The law is supposed to work this way. Of course he knew.

No doubt. The real task is not to prove that he must have known, but to get them to admit that they lied through their teeth to the American people.

Not that I would hold out much hope. Even when you confront them publicly and rub their nose in it before everybody, they will still deny it.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 28, 2013 at 6:27 PM

He doesn’t care. Why would he? He’s America’s first black president. Isn’t that enough? (Just being black has always been enough to get him where he needed to go).

SouthernGent on October 28, 2013 at 6:28 PM

so we were right all along

ted c on October 28, 2013 at 6:25 PM

And so was Ted Cruz…….all along!

Rovin on October 28, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Special Report seems to be crucifying Obama for reneging on this promise.

BuckeyeSam on October 28, 2013 at 6:30 PM

“If you like yoh plan, you can keep yoh plan.”

BuckeyeSam on October 28, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Holy Crap! You don’t mean Dear Leader lied to the American people? Really?
The Benghazi Youtube man is indignant!

d1carter on October 28, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Obama didn’t know he knew it for 3 years until he read it today.

albill on October 28, 2013 at 6:32 PM

“..the other of him politely dodging when CNN’s Jim Acosta asks why Obama never seems to have any advance warning when his administration’s engaged in a grand cock-up. The IRS scandal, NSA eavesdropping on world leaders, and now the Healthcare.gov rollout — somehow his inner circle spared The One any prior notice of these debacles until it was too late. You would think Obama would be enraged by now that his yes-men keep letting him get blindsided this way, but no one is fired, no one is held accountable. Go figure.”

Yes, AP, one would think that at five years into this soiree, this assshole, President Stool Sample, would be a little more aware of what’s going on.

Let’s face it, he is a blinking, naive child — worse — a paramecium swimming towards the light. (Or is that away from the light? I forget.)

The War Planner on October 28, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Obama’s people know very well that the way to keep your job is to always make it clear that the president knew nothing about any problems. If you want to blame somebody for a problem, blame an underling.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Dr. K on Special Report: “The definition of a liberal is you can do whatever you want as long as it’s mandatory.”

BuckeyeSam on October 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Republicans will still respond by supporting a one year delay of the individual mandate instead of a full repeal of Obamacare.

Oil Can on October 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Is this America..?

d1carter on October 28, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Holy freakin’ cow. Even NBC is signing on to the Limbaugh Theorem!

PattyJ on October 28, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Kirsten Powers is now claiming that maybe this 14 million people is only a small percentage of the population.

Steve Hayes makes the point that those with employer-provided insurance will eventually be affected.

Seriously, why would everyone with an employer-provided plan want all the mandatory provisions?

BuckeyeSam on October 28, 2013 at 6:35 PM

“Obamacare in its current corporatist form isn’t meant to last. It’s meant to push us towards full socialized medicine with a single-payer system.
“The broken websites and botched Obamacare rollout help push things to that inevitable conclusion by causing frustration and confusion that only the government can ‘fix,’”

“these unusable Obamacare websites make a reasonable person wonder how this administration could have made such a colossal bungle of the rollout when they are, after all, the same savvy experts who had the most sophisticated and precise campaign websites ever built. They could pinpoint voters down to a city block, but they messed up a website that cost the government over $200 million more than it cost Apple to develop the first iPhone. Purposeful?”

-Sarah Palin

ObamaCare will get us to Socialized Single Payer.

portlandon on October 28, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Did KP just say that many Americans would be willing to pay more for their insurance..?

d1carter on October 28, 2013 at 6:36 PM

So he and his deputies lied and lied and lied.

Obama lied. Health care died.

rukiddingme on October 28, 2013 at 6:36 PM

I now know why Ezekial Emanuel had that evil grin on his face…

d1carter on October 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Republicans will still respond by supporting a one year delay of the individual mandate instead of a full repeal of Obamacare.

Oil Can on October 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM

The GOP should ask for full repeal or elimination of waiver of the employer mandate. Let everyone enjoy Obamacare leading up to 2014 midterms.

BuckeyeSam on October 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Remember when John Roberts was torn to shreds by righties for calling the mandate a tax? The mandate might not be a tax, but the provisions about which plans are and aren’t legal under the law effectively is.

Is that…is that a defense of John Roberts?

Kensington on October 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM

How could he not have known that people would be dumped

specially since he is married to a patient dumper ? The same patient dumper who chose her girl friend to design a website to carry out her wishes ?

burrata on October 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM

My recollection is that ObamaCare was conjured up because apparently 30 million people did not have or qualify for health insurance.

Figuring 16 million is a low number, as we’re still waiting for the Employer Mandate to happen, if another 14 million people lose their plan …

… why is there any need for ObamaCare at all?

What benefit is there to making health insurance more expensive for all?

… besides Fairness© and Social Justice™ …

Arbalest on October 28, 2013 at 5:46 PM

At least half of the thirty million uninsured are illegal aliens, and this will not affect them. They will remain uninsured because nothing is cheaper than free.

slickwillie2001 on October 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM

What happens when the employer mandate kicks in..? Anybody in the media scratching their heads about that..?

d1carter on October 28, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Update: Obama knew for at least three years

Or, as Iowahawk puts it: “Exclusive NBC investigation reveals what anyone with an IQ over 62 has known for 5 years”

Exactly.

dont taze me bro on October 28, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Obama chose to lie his ass off in falsely reassuring people they could keep their plan if they liked it. You’re welcome, America.

Hey! They didn’t have to know it was a LIE until AFTER the 2012 elections.

Probably just a coincidence. Or maybe King Barack got a briefing paper on it and failed to read it.

GarandFan on October 28, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Men must buy insurance to cover maternity.

It doesn’t get much more one-sized-fits-all than that.

UnderstandingisPower on October 28, 2013 at 6:41 PM

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