Question for Jay Carney: Didn’t Obama lie when he told people, “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan”? Update: Obama knew for at least three years

posted at 5:11 pm on October 28, 2013 by Allahpundit

Here’s Ed Henry of Fox News picking up right where my last post left off. Everyone remembers Obama endlessly promising in the run-up to O-Care’s passage that you’ll be allowed to keep your plan if you like it. What you may not remember, but which righties like Charles Cooke of NRO are reminding people about on Twitter today, is that The One was unusually unequivocal in making that promise. Go look at the long list of quotes compiled at the end of this recent post at Forbes. Here’s my favorite, from his address to the AMA in June 2009:

“No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what. My view is that health-care reform should be guided by a simple principle: Fix what’s broken and build on what works.”

All that’s missing is a perfunctory “let me be clear.” Carney’s reply to this is, essentially, (a) a lot of people will be able to keep their plan if they like it, even if it’s not quite everyone, and (b) those who are getting dropped from their plans will get more comprehensive coverage on the exchanges. The latter point is like having the CEO of DirecTV tell customers that their monthly bill is about to double but they’ll now receive an extra hundred channels in return, maybe one or two of which people will actually watch. Comprehensive coverage is lovely, but if you’re on a budget basic coverage might be more cost-effective; why pay $1,000 extra a year for a new package that includes substance-abuse treatment, say, if you don’t drink or do drugs? Obama took the option of cheaper catastrophic care away from people because insurers wanted to squeeze healthy middle-class suckers for extra revenue by forcing coverage on them that they don’t need. And yet Carney’s basically selling this as a *good* thing about the law, a sort of upgrade over the basic — but affordable! — plans people have now. Remind me again: Isn’t “affordability” supposed to be a key plank of the Affordable Care Act?

As to the first point, that a lot of people will be keeping their plans, it depends on how you define “a lot.” Sixteen million people being dropped and half of them being forced to pay more sounds like “a lot” too:

[A]ccording to health care analyst Bob Laszewski, about 19 million people are currently in the individual health insurance market and 16 million of them are going to lose their current plan thanks to Obamacare.

Now many of those people will qualify for tax payer subsidies that will help them afford the higher premiums. But how many people that currently have individual health insurance will qualify for any help?

Well, according to a recent Kaiser Study, that number is less than half. Just 48 percent of people now buying their own insurance will be eligible for a tax credit that will help protect them from sticker shock.

That’s 8 million Americans who, like Deborah Cavallaro will be “infuriated because I was lied to.”

Two clips for you, one of Carney not answering Henry’s question and the other of him politely dodging when CNN’s Jim Acosta asks why Obama never seems to have any advance warning when his administration’s engaged in a grand cock-up. The IRS scandal, NSA eavesdropping on world leaders, and now the Healthcare.gov rollout — somehow his inner circle spared The One any prior notice of these debacles until it was too late. You would think Obama would be enraged by now that his yes-men keep letting him get blindsided this way, but no one is fired, no one is held accountable. Go figure.


Update: Of course he knew. How could he not have known that people would be dumped onto more expensive plans when he was counting on the higher revenue from premiums for those plans to help cover other people’s preexisting conditions? The law is supposed to work this way. Of course he knew.

But he didn’t want you to know. So he and his deputies lied and lied and lied.

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example — the policy would not be grandfathered.

Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”…

“This says that when they made the promise, they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” said Robert Laszewski, of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, a consultant who works for health industry firms.

So they carved out a phony “grandfather” provision to take some political heat off of themselves while the law was being debated in Congress, then basically eviscerated it after the law passed to quietly maximize the number of people who got soaked. Laszewski himself is suddenly staring at a 66 percent premium increase and higher out-of-pocket costs now that his own plan got canceled. Remember when John Roberts was torn to shreds by righties for calling the mandate a tax? The mandate might not be a tax, but the provisions about which plans are and aren’t legal under the law effectively is. It’s a direct hit on middle-class wealth in the name of subsidizing the sick. But rather than sell it that way, as a de facto tax to provide welfare for the needy, and risk a political backlash, Obama chose to lie his ass off in falsely reassuring people they could keep their plan if they liked it. You’re welcome, America.


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the won has a very serious disease.
apinocheobama syndrome. when he tells the truth his ears get bigger and he might be swept up in a stiff wind.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 28, 2013 at 9:04 PM

going2mars on October 28, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Thank you. One of the things I worked hard on was building a reference library of links in the side bar so that people could find info, analysis and history on a variety of issues.

Is your comment at the bottom of this thread? The way my blog is set up, the first comment is held until I approve it. Then someone can comment w/o each comment being held. (Although sometimes they do get stuck in other folders).

INC on October 28, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Is anyone ever going to believe a g@dd@mn thing this lying president says? No one will ever trust him, not Americans not Europeans. This total lack of trust should naturally extend to the Democrats in DC.

Chessplayer on October 28, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Liberalism is a religion not a political point-of-view. The followers of this religion (Democrats) take their messiah on pure faith and they will never abandon him.

rplat on October 28, 2013 at 9:07 PM

I would love to get Carney on the stand under cross-examination.

Blaise on October 28, 2013 at 5:22 PM

very admirable, and I’m sure you’d do a great job, but I’d rather just knock the shit out of him. Quicker.

matthew8787 on October 28, 2013 at 9:18 PM

why isnt he clobbering TM..??

going2mars on October 28, 2013 at 6:56 PM

abortion

talkingpoints on October 28, 2013 at 9:21 PM

I swear Jay carney and Rachel maddow ate the same person….

Tilly on October 28, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Brain bleach, stat!

Sekhmet on October 28, 2013 at 9:21 PM

INC on October 28, 2013 at 8:47 PM

yes thats it on that thread…signed g2m
and i bet i spent 4 hours in your reference library
the other day…..
no i didnt steal the books…or litter the floors…
good reading…well put together…
all the links worked…moved along nicely..tyvm

ps…dont tell barry your that gifted on site setups…hush

going2mars on October 28, 2013 at 9:22 PM

why isnt he clobbering TM..??

going2mars on October 28, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Maybe he really is. I stopped trusting opinion polls, and election results a long time ago.

bgibbs1000 on October 28, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Its all good…he’s awesome
-msdnc

cmsinaz on October 28, 2013 at 9:27 PM

going2mars on October 28, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Lost in the stacks, eh? I’m glad the links worked! Let me know if you ever find a dead one. Every once in a while I discover one and try to fix it or find a new one with similar info.

OK, the comment is up now.

INC on October 28, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Posted on Facebook by my pastor:

Affordable Care Facts are in: My Insurance premium under my current Major Medical Plan is $440.58 per month. I have been very pleased with my plan and it has served me well. It would be my hope to keep it for years to come. Under the Affordable Care Act a plan with higher deductibles and less coverage than my current plan has a sticker price of $1,154.54 per month. These are facts with no political statement. I am glad I get until December 2014 to see if something else changes.

I don’t think he’s happy right now… but then he is very conservative!

dominigan on October 28, 2013 at 9:30 PM

abortion

talkingpoints on October 28, 2013 at 9:21 PM

shakes head…you would think that 50% of the general population
is gay and the other 50% were getting abortions weekly
for the amount of voter WEIGHT those issues get…
and in reality…
low single digit percentages..
what about Honor..?…Honesty??…Integrity…
Foreign policy??..Record..??..Fiscal thoughts??..
JOBS JOBS JOBS….LIMITED GOVERNMENT…!!!
to name a few

going2mars on October 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM

I don’t think he’s happy right now… but then he is very conservative!

dominigan on October 28, 2013 at 9:30 PM

How do they expect people to afford that kind of increase?

I still think people are going to chuck it all, pay the fine and start finding providers who will accept cash payment.

gophergirl on October 28, 2013 at 9:32 PM

bgibbs1000 on October 28, 2013 at 9:26 PM

i read the Libertarian Party guy has over 10% now
in the polls…so that might fade, quick, late..

going2mars on October 28, 2013 at 9:35 PM

My Insurance premium under my current Major Medical Plan is $440.58 per month….Under the Affordable Care Act a plan with higher deductibles and less coverage than my current plan has a sticker price of $1,154.54 per month.

dominigan on October 28, 2013 at 9:30 PM

What a gut-punch.

Robert_Paulson on October 28, 2013 at 9:40 PM

dominigan on October 28, 2013 at 9:30 PM

if the site worked better…
instead of hundreds of these
stories we would see thousands…
many plans do not fit within the law…
one day honest responsible citizen..
next day…..scofflaw…

going2mars on October 28, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Megyn Kelly is hammering this now. Megyn rocks.

petefrt on October 28, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Barack Obama: In charge of everything, but responsible for nothing.

Resist We Much on October 28, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Sounds like a great bumper sticker!

esr1951 on October 28, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Bumper Sticker of the Decade.

AesopFan on October 28, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Obama lied. My plan died.

I’m sure they’ll find a way to blame a youtube video for that, too.

#StopTheLies

Resist We Much on October 28, 2013 at 9:50 PM

So… why, again, isn’t this criminal at some level? Is there any other facet of civilization where someone could publicly and repeatedly lie on television, in order to intentionally defraud hundreds of millions of people out of billions of dollars – and NOT go to jail?

Midas on October 28, 2013 at 9:54 PM

ThinkProgress is already trying to discredit the NBC story in some convoluted bs kinda way…shocking.

d1carter on October 28, 2013 at 9:54 PM

Yup, the Socialist/Progs are letting the hounds loose on NBC…

d1carter on October 28, 2013 at 9:57 PM

common guys we cant blame Mooch…how was she to know
her BFF in Canada couldnt put lipstick on this pig…

lets hope her BFF found the correct Swiss Account
to put the lil pictures of Ben in…

going2mars on October 28, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Most of the bottom feeders that vote for Obama and other leftist’s are on Medicaid. They don’t care and don’t want to know what is going on. The black population votes over 90% for democrats. We are outnumbered. We need to end means testing for entitlement programs and slice their budgets. I don’t see that happening.

alanstern on October 28, 2013 at 10:03 PM

The IRS scandal, NSA eavesdropping on world leaders, and now the Healthcare.gov rollout — somehow his inner circle spared The One any prior notice of these debacles until it was too late.

…also, Benghhazi, the Gulf Oil Spill and on and on – but I’m so relieved he is in complete control of the drone strike kill list.

HellCat on October 28, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Sorry, Benghazi.

HellCat on October 28, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Impeach the bastard.

Dusty on October 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Impeach, hell – imprison.

Midas on October 28, 2013 at 10:09 PM

So… why, again, isn’t this criminal at some level? Is there any other facet of civilization where someone could publicly and repeatedly lie on television, in order to intentionally defraud hundreds of millions of people out of billions of dollars – and NOT go to jail?

Midas on October 28, 2013 at 9:54 PM

This is the danger of having the federal government take control of any function that rightfully belongs to a lower level of government or to private citizens and businesses.

BECAUSE NO HIGHER LEVEL EXISTS TO PREVENT OR PROSECUTE FEDERAL ABUSE OF POWER.

And yes, I am shouting.

Theoretically, there might be some redress from the courts, but that’s cold comfort after the deed is done.
The same is true for anyone harmed by the actions of someone else, but no other entity exists that can generate harm in such massive amounts as the government (even the Mafia doesn’t make the grade in the US).

AesopFan on October 28, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Just for the record, one of the major themes of the Book of Mormon is that no society can survive once its government and courts are infiltrated and controlled by those who have as their primary goal the acquisition of power and money with no regard for the well-being of the populace.

AesopFan on October 28, 2013 at 10:14 PM

For the love of God, I was willing to blame ignorance and laziness on his claims just hours ago, but now? I haven’t said that word before, but now he’s crossed the line…he needs to be thrown out. Thrown to the curb. Yes, impeached. You don’t screw the people who put you in office to SERVE! You don’t LIE to them! I hope his actions have ruined the chances of anyone in the democratic party ever winning an election again because they’re all guilty by association.

scalleywag on October 28, 2013 at 10:14 PM

RWM – can we class-action sue media groups, political parties, politicians jointly/severally, etc? ‘Congress’ will never take action here, what can we do ourselves legally to stop and punish these bastards?

And no, simply electing someone else at the next election is not punishment.

Midas on October 28, 2013 at 10:15 PM

You realize none of this is going to matter to most of Obama’s mindless drones. All he has to say when his supporters start balking about Obamadoesn’tCare is that they need to “evolve” their thinking, like he did on any number of things. Then they can be like, “Wow, you mean I can be just like my new savior, Obama? Yes, I am going to quit bitching about losing my health plan that I had for so long and served me so well. I mean, I have to, if I want to be like HIM!”

Sterling Holobyte on October 28, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Anyone who paid attention to this law since it was passed knew this was coming. You can’t get 100% of everything all the time. Price is the only mechanism that can be used to restrict usage and prevent abuse which is what you’re seeing with insurance premiums.

Libs, I hope you’re paying attention. Look at me. When you prevent insurance companies from pricing people based on risk and selection of services then they charge everyone the same and they charge the maximum amount. When people can get insurance (or privatized welfare) anytime and then drop it anytime, then insurance companies have to protect themselves against fraud and abuse which means super high deductibles. This shifts the burden to the customer and minimizes risk on the insurance pool which other customers paid into for a while.

Sure, single payer would solve all these issues but then it would politicize health care. Suddenly, people will be denied coverage because they smoke, are overweight, have risky hobbies or anything the administration doesn’t like.

So my question is this: What rights are you not willing to give up?

Flashwing on October 28, 2013 at 10:23 PM

By “Affordable” Obama really meant to add “if you are financially well off or dirt poor“.

The simple oversight of a missing clause.

profitsbeard on October 28, 2013 at 10:32 PM

SouthernGent,

He doesn’t care. Why would he? He’s America’s first black president. Isn’t that enough? (Just being black has always been enough to get him where he needed to go).

Barack Obama doesn’t care because he’s a malignant narcissist and is incapable of empathy.

Mike Honcho on October 28, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Remind me again: Isn’t “affordability” supposed to be a key plank of the Affordable Care Act?

Sure it is, but that doesn’t mean it’s for you, silly.

thirtyandseven on October 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Our first Anti-American President.

Joe Wilson was exactly right. …And, then some.

Impeach him and get him out of there. NOW.

kingsjester on October 28, 2013 at 10:39 PM

So… why, again, isn’t this criminal at some level? Is there any other facet of civilization where someone could publicly and repeatedly lie on television, in order to intentionally defraud hundreds of millions of people out of billions of dollars – and NOT go to jail?

Midas on October 28, 2013 at 9:54 PM

See post-Housing crash America.

libfreeordie on October 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Libs, I hope you’re paying attention. Look at me. When you prevent insurance companies from pricing people based on risk and selection of services then they charge everyone the same and they charge the maximum amount. When people can get insurance (or privatized welfare) anytime and then drop it anytime, then insurance companies have to protect themselves against fraud and abuse which means super high deductibles. This shifts the burden to the customer and minimizes risk on the insurance pool which other customers paid into for a while.

Remind me? If so fundamentally flawed, why did conservatives come up with this model for public healthcare policy?

libfreeordie on October 28, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Is it not obvious to everyone yet that we have a malevolent, anti-American criminal as president?

justltl on October 28, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Remind me? If so fundamentally flawed, why did conservatives come up with this model for public healthcare policy?

libfreeordie on October 28, 2013 at 10:48 PM

What “conservatives”? Stop lying to yourself, not that your lobotomized brain would know what a lie is.

riddick on October 28, 2013 at 10:58 PM

RWM – can we class-action sue media groups, political parties, politicians jointly/severally, etc? ‘Congress’ will never take action here, what can we do ourselves legally to stop and punish these bastards?

And no, simply electing someone else at the next election is not punishment.

Midas on October 28, 2013 at 10:15 PM

I keep thinking of same thing. The idiot is on record, a good number of times, stating a lie. Why not sue for KEEPING YOUR INSURANCE? Price AND coverage.

riddick on October 28, 2013 at 11:00 PM

KP really isn’t that smart. And, without a really good make-up artist, she isn’t that attractive.

bw222 on October 28, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Prolly right, but the blonde hair brown eyes combo gets me every time.

Nutstuyu on October 28, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Dear Blue Cross/Blue Shield,
I recently received a notice that you are canceling my insurance policy due to changes from the PPACA. You cannot do this. The president said I could keep my old plan under PPACA, so you cannot cancel it.
Sincerely,
Everyone

Wino on October 28, 2013 at 11:10 PM

Carney: I’ll have to refer you to the Department of Lies for that question….

Sherman1864 on October 28, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Why does the link to the NBC story lead to a 404 error?

BardMan on October 28, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Roberts may have been able to kill it but he decided to kill so-called “liberalism” instead by letting us witness this monstrosity in full.

MechanicalBill on October 28, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Hilarious, NBC already took the story down. It was headlined on Drudge in red. I’ll bet someone over there gets canned for putting it up in the first place.

bigjack on October 28, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Yup, NBC has taken down their story……??

d1carter on October 28, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Someone else posted this before, but I don’t remember who:

* It wasn’t a lie, it was a slip of the tongue, what Obama meant to say was “If WE like your plan, you can keep your plan.”

Simple … /

toby11 on October 29, 2013 at 12:00 AM

It was written by NBC’s Lisa Myers and Hannah Rappleye. I wonder who the WH called and whether or not the two women have been threatened or intimidated.

I didn’t make a screen shot (someone probably did), but you can still piece quite a bit of it from:

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/10/28/obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance

and this:

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/10/sweet-fancy-moses-nbc-111-annihilates.html

INC on October 29, 2013 at 12:14 AM

Roberts may have been able to kill it but he decided to kill so-called “liberalism” instead by letting us witness this monstrosity in full.

MechanicalBill on October 28, 2013 at 11:55 PM

I would have rather he killed it then and there. Than to have us have to try to climb out of the crap-hole this administration and Obamadoesn’tCare have put us in.

Sterling Holobyte on October 29, 2013 at 12:16 AM

You realize that none of this is going to matter for millions of mindless Obama drones, don’t you?!
All Obama has to say is that he, once again, has evolved on the issue and he suggests that “The American People” do the same, and he will have the millions drones screaming, “Yes, Yes, I will stop complaining about losing the health plan me and my family have relied on for decades, and I will stop complaining about the rising cost of my premiums and the loss of my favorite doctor, if only I can be like “HIM”. “HE” evolved on it, I can too! Then I can be like “HIM”.”

Sterling Holobyte on October 29, 2013 at 12:33 AM

the NBC link changed, for some unfathomablle reason, lol:

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/29/21222195-obama-administration-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

homesickamerican on October 29, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Here’s a cached version:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Another cache source:
http://investigations.nbcnews.com.nyud.net:8080/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Paragraph removed from original:

“None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example — the policy would not be grandfathered.”

Also removed: Picture of young Goldwater family, replaced with

“The Affordable Care Act will not affect most traditional employer-based plans, but many of those who purchased insurance policies on their own will see higher premiums. This is in part due to the 10 essential health benefits insurance providers are now required to include. NBC’s Peter Alexander reports.”

Alexander on October 29, 2013 at 1:04 AM

LIBFREAKILY-

you’re line about this being a conservative idea is tired and lame….but since when were you supporting conservative ideas?

Let’s sign you up for a few k? Pathetic.

Now let’s get back to the subject at hand….Obama lied and you are spinning it and avoiding it. You’re a joke.

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 29, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Libfreakily thinks Romney’s a conservative.

So freak tell us the other conservative ideas you support…you know as…

Remind me? If so fundamentally flawed, why did conservatives come up with this model for public healthcare policy?

libfreeordie on October 28, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Yous knows perfesser that we cons are flawless right?That is what you are implying. Why thank you!

Lets me axe you another question- what logical fallacy did you employ in your 1048 pm post? Do tell? pathetic.

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Remind me? If so fundamentally flawed, why did conservatives come up with this model for public healthcare policy?

libfreeordie on October 28, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Lazy-minded azz, this is just for you:

In a savvier Republicans-ruined-Obamacare argument, Washington Post wonk-blogger Ezra Klein contends that the Democratic part of Obamacare — Medicaid, which is single-payer — works. But: “The part of Obamacare that’s troubled is the part Democrats lifted from Republican policymakers. It’s the part that tries to integrate private insurance companies with government systems in order to create a universal insurance system that’s subsidized by the state but run by private companies.”

Get it? If Obamacare fails, it’s because Obamacare is a Republican plan.

Now, I won’t deny that two decades ago, some conservative think tank swell came up with the term “individual mandate” — which allowed other wonks to try to pin the tail on the elephant. But if liberals have to fish for a 1989 Heritage Foundation policy paper that had no Republican support in 2008, 2009 or 2012 to establish Republican paternity for the Affordable Care Act, that tells you one thing: They think Obamacare won’t work.

Schadenfreude on October 29, 2013 at 1:42 AM

libslave, just for you, from Cohen of all people

Where is Casey Stengel when we need him? In 1962 as the manager of the brand new and determinedly hapless New York Mets — 40 wins, 120 losses — he looked up and down his bench one dismal day and wondered, “Can’t anybody here play this game?” That phrase kept coming at me recently as I watched the impressively inept performance of the Obama administration in both foreign and domestic policy. On a given day, this administration makes the ’62 Mets look good.

This is a surprise — at least to me. If Barack Obama has an image, it is of the infinitely cool, cerebral leader.

The man can give a rousing speech, but he is, at heart, a planner and a plodder. Both his presidential campaigns were exercises in micromanagement — digital all the way. Obama was the better candidate, but he had, by far, the better organization.

Schadenfreude on October 29, 2013 at 1:56 AM

Slave, not one R vote. YOU own the entire enchilada.

Eat it and choke on it. It’s fun to watch the turkey.

Schadenfreude on October 29, 2013 at 2:03 AM

the NBC link changed, for some unfathomablle reason, lol:

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/29/21222195-obama-administration-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance

homesickamerican on October 29, 2013 at 12:54 AM

I did a forensic diff between the old html and new html.

So, MSNBC added:

“Nothing in the Affordable Care Act forces people out of their health plans: The law allows plans that covered people at the time the law was enacted to continue to offer that same coverage to the same enrollees – nothing has changed and that coverage can continue into 2014,” she said. The Affordable Care Act will not affect most traditional employer-based plans, but many of those who purchased insurance policies on their own will see higher premiums. This is in part due to the 10 essential health benefits insurance providers are now required to include. NBC’s Peter Alexander reports.

And changed:

A spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), an insurance trade association, also said the 50 to 75 percent estimate was consistent with the range they are hearing.

to this:

A spokesman for America’s Health Plans says there are no precise numbers on how many will receive cancellations letters or get notices that their current policies don’t meet ACA standards. In both cases, consumers will not be able to keep their current coverage.

Hahaha, gotta protect the messiah.

Hot Gas on October 29, 2013 at 2:15 AM

Evidently, this story has been in a constant state of flux the whole evening.

Hot Gas on October 29, 2013 at 3:33 AM

Evidently, this story has been in a constant state of flux the whole evening.

Hot Gas on October 29, 2013 at 3:33 AM

Paging Susan Rice……Susan Rice, you’re needed on the Sunday morning talk shows…….again.

Rovin on October 29, 2013 at 6:06 AM

Remind me? If so fundamentally flawed, why did conservatives come up with this model for public healthcare policy?
 
libfreeordie on October 28, 2013 at 10:48 PM

 
Ha.
 

I have been reading that the mess has been caused by Republican governors who did not build their own exchanges. I think you can count on this being what they run with.
 
Cindy Munford on October 25, 2013 at 12:25 PM

 
Exactly…that has been seething behind the scenes…and will be full blown within a couple of weeks. Actually planned that way
 
Redford on October 25, 2013 at 1:19 PM

 
That and “Obamacare is actually a Republican plan, so its failure is all their fault and has nothing to do with Obama!
 
rogerb on October 25, 2013 at 1:37 PM

 
Nicely done, professor.

rogerb on October 29, 2013 at 6:14 AM

BTW
 

I levy constant attacks on the Obama Administration, as any honest reader of my comments here would agree.
 
libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 1:26 PM

rogerb on October 29, 2013 at 6:17 AM

It’s rapidly getting to the time when we break out the pitchforks and storm the Bastille.

NavyMustang on October 29, 2013 at 7:18 AM

Fine sure, whatevs, but can’t private money do that? Why does the state have to be involved?

libfreeordie on September 1, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Really, why must the State do everything?

Why can’t the private sector do this without the ‘help’ of the State?

ajacksonian on October 29, 2013 at 7:22 AM

My take.

kingsjester on October 29, 2013 at 7:36 AM

One could almost admire Carney’s ability to stand there, obfuscate, and tell flat-out, transparent lies.

morganfrost on October 29, 2013 at 8:07 AM

Obama and his fellow leftists, knew all along, that there would be cancellations of Americans’ health care policies. They knew that premiums would go up on both new policies that contained the coverage required by Obamacare and policies bought under the health care exchanges. The point is that they didn’t care about the expense and pain that would cause Americans. It was all part of the price America would have to pay for the fundamental transformation of America, the Obama administration was working towards. If you do not believe what a cold hearted guy this President is, just remind yourself that he said, “Perhaps grandma should take that pain pill instead of having that procedure done”. After all grandma is no longer “productive” and therefore doesn’t deserve lifesaving/life lengthening treatment, as she is now a burden on society, in his opinion. If that isn’t cold, I don’t know what is.

kjatexas on October 29, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Remind me? If so fundamentally flawed, why did conservatives come up with this model for public healthcare policy?

libfreeordie on October 28, 2013 at 10:48 PM

So dishonest, yet again.

Republicans came up with the idea for the individual mandate about 20 years ago – in a think tank. They thought about it and then abandoned it as a lousy idea for many reasons.

Romney, being the idiot he is, decided to use the idea on the state level in MA. However, most of the people who created Romneycare came from the left.

So, your defense of Obamacare is that republicans came up with the idea for part of it – the individual mandate – and abandoned it years ago, then opposed it forcefully for the last 5 years, but somehow it is the republicans fault?

How is it you believe you are right when you have to be so damn dishonest all the time in order to try and defend your beliefs? If I had to lie every time I argued, I would question my beliefs. You apparently have no self awareness.

Monkeytoe on October 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Actually there are a couple of relief points in this disaster. One is watching the liberals spin their heads around trying to excuse Obama and pretend he didn’t lie and that this is not a royal cluster f*ck. And two is watching the Obama supporters when they get hit with the premium increases. I realize that it is not only the Left who is getting hosed but sometimes you have to dig deep for the light.

katiejane on October 29, 2013 at 9:35 AM

I miss Tony Snow. He was beauty to Carney’s beast,

neyney on October 29, 2013 at 11:27 AM

It’s rapidly getting to the time when we break out the pitchforks and storm the Bastille.

NavyMustang on October 29, 2013 at 7:18 AM

*ring* *ring*

Valerie: Yes?

Barry: Valerie, Valerie, someone was being mean to me again on one of those nasty right-winger blogs. Do something!!!

Valerie: *sigh* OK, Barry, I’ll sic a drone on them.

F@ggot General: Ready when you are Ms. Jarrett

Valerie: Fire! … What’s wrong? Why won’t it fire.

F@ggot General: Uh, the firing control has been routed through healthcare.gov’s servers

Nutstuyu on October 29, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Monkeytoe on October 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM

It’s like when my daughter tried to blame me for her getting a speeding ticket, because I had voted for the current sheriff.

Nutstuyu on October 29, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Hey you wingnuts! I don’t see what you’re so upset about. Congresscreeps get to keep their plan, their staffers get to keep their plans, union thugs get to keep theirs and the list goes on. What’s the problem? All the really important people are getting to keep their plans. That should be good enough for you, you ungrateful wretches. Just shut up and get back to work. Somebody’s got to pay for all this free stuff!

Oldnuke on October 29, 2013 at 11:41 AM

libfreeordie on October 28, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Have you signed up for Obamacare yet? It’s such a wonderful program and like all such progressive plans so easy to use and free too!

Oldnuke on October 29, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Remind me? If so fundamentally flawed, why did conservatives come up with this model for public healthcare policy?

libfreeordie on October 28, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Well, see there… You’ve perfectly demonstrated the difference between conservatives and liberals…

Conservatives will throw up an idea, beat it around, and then discard it when it’s effects are thought through and the results found to harm people. Conservatives learn from looking at the results and consequences of their ideas.

Liberals will steal an idea, enforce it on a population, and then blame others when it doesn’t work. Then, they will turn around and do it again because they DON’T learn from looking at the results and consequences of their ideas.

One group is thoughtful and will consider the consequences of meddling in the marketplace. The other will impose its will and point fingers of blame at those who did not support their foolish quest for power.

In case you were wondering, you fall into the later group.

dominigan on October 29, 2013 at 2:37 PM

If the White House continues to push this “the president didn’t know” agenda on everyone of these scandals and foul ups pretty soon they are going to have to admit that he is either stupid or a mushroom. No human being can stay in the dark for this period of time.

savage24 on October 29, 2013 at 10:15 PM

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