Video – Homeland Security Chair: Our allies really don’t get this spying thing

posted at 2:01 pm on October 27, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

Brought to you by Patrick Brennan at The Corner, the Sunday morning shows had the usual parade of administration reps out there explaining why things aren’t anywhere near as craptastic as your lying eyes might lead you to believe. One of them was the Homeland Security chair, Mike Rogers, who sat down with Candy Crawley on CNN to discuss the latest round of NSA spying stories, particularly where it comes to our allies. The real problem, you see, is that these folks just don’t understand that we’re doing it for their own good.

This is the most frustrating thing about this, and I think it’s the most important thing to understand. So the kerfuffle with the French is the greatest example to me. There was one slide that the news media was provided, and those who were interpreting it to the news media saw that the word France was at the top of it and started a huge amount of discussion about Americans collecting phone calls in France with French citizens. That is 100% wrong, and that’s why this is so dangerous. That’s why when you you just go do a smash and grab and get a whole bunch of information, see the word France, they misinterpreted some of the acronyms at the bottom of the slide and saw this 70 million phone call figure. This was about a counter-terrorism program that had nothing to do with French citizens…

That’s just wrong. And now you’ve created an international incident on something that’s absolutely wrong and incorrect. That’s why need to be very careful as we move forward in this debate and this discussion.

Well, fair enough I suppose. I don’t think we’re expecting the likes of Snowden and Greenwald to grasp all the nuances of the filched material. But that’s also a bit like the manager of Ford’s Theatre strenuously explaining that the first act of the play was produced perfectly until some jerk shot Lincoln. Other pressing questions, such as tapping the German Chancellor’s cell phone are still sitting out on the table and thus far, nobody from the administration seems to have much to say.

Perhaps it’s time to just say what I think most people were aware of – for the most part, anyway – and come clean. Personally, I’m a complete hypocrite on this subject and I’m fine with that. I don’t want any of our alleged allies spying on us, and when we catch them at it there need to be repercussions. By contrast, we need to stay on top of world affairs, so we may need to gather intel from any number of sources, including our friends. I just expect us to be better at it (read: less likely to get caught) and not go bragging about it. And if we do get caught, you mumble a few explanations and get on with your life.

Is that so hard?


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This should send chills down every thinking person on the planet.

KMC1 on October 27, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Were better at it than they are.

gerrym51 on October 27, 2013 at 2:02 PM

They get it just fine.

It’s stupid not to spy on all.

It’s way more stupid to let them find out.

Snowden is obama’s biggest nightmare.

Schadenfreude pure!

Schadenfreude on October 27, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Were better at it than they are.

gerrym51 on October 27, 2013 at 2:02 PM

You might not have intended this, but you are right – we were better is correct.

Schadenfreude on October 27, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Happy Anniversary president obama.

Schadenfreude on October 27, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Defunding and disbanding homeland security should be priority one.

Murphy9 on October 27, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Calm down, everyone, there’s a perfectly reasonable explanation. King Putt just mistakenly thought that France, Germany and the UK were part of the 57 states.

Now, don’t you feel silly for making a Big Deal about this?

Maddie on October 27, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Defunding and disbanding homeland security should be priority one.
Murphy9 on October 27, 2013 at 2:12 PM

No, the Dept. of Education and Dept. of Energy should come first, followed by a thorough housecleaning at DOJ.

Maddie on October 27, 2013 at 2:19 PM

No, the Dept. of Education and Dept. of Energy should come first, followed by a thorough housecleaning at DOJ.

Maddie on October 27, 2013 at 2:19 PM

..EPA, IRS, Dept. of Interior

Rio Linda Refugee on October 27, 2013 at 2:22 PM

These commies are better at spying on the real enemy, those freedom loving Tea Partiers.

birdwatcher on October 27, 2013 at 2:23 PM

The entire obama administration

Schadenfreude on October 27, 2013 at 2:25 PM

I want to know what the wiretappers have on dirtbag Benedict Roberts who saw fit to force this Obamacare monstrosity onto The People and was willing to weasel word a mandate into a tax to show the serfs their place.

Benedict Roberts pretended to know what’s best for the subjects therefore he’s no less culpable than the regime for misrepresentation and betrayal.

viking01 on October 27, 2013 at 2:32 PM

King Putt just mistakenly thought that France, Germany and the UK were part of the 57 states.

Now, don’t you feel silly for making a Big Deal about this?

Maddie on October 27, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Clever.

itsnotaboutme on October 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM

I am not even convinced that terrorist brought down WTC 7 which was not hit by a plane. The only skyscraper on earth ever to be brought down by a fire. And how did the nose of the plane go all the way through WTC 2?

I do not believe this was at all necessary. As we are finding out this surveillance is very much like George Orwall 1984.

In fact this is very much like Hitler when he first started consolidating power.

Steveangell on October 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM

I don’t want any of our alleged allies spying on us, and when we catch them at it there need to be repercussions. By contrast, we need to stay on top of world affairs, so we may need to gather intel from any number of sources, including our friends. I just expect us to be better at it (read: less likely to get caught) and not go bragging about it. And if we do get caught, you mumble a few explanations and get on with your life.

Very thought-provoking.

So you’re acknowledging that the the US is–& ought to be–the world’s police department…?

If not for US, the Russians would sack Georgia, the Chinese would overrun Taiwan, & dozens of other bullies would have their way with the weaker nations of the Earth.

itsnotaboutme on October 27, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Steveangell has been reading to too many Rosie O’Donnell emails.

itsnotaboutme on October 27, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Our allies really don’t get this spying thing

…Jonathon Pollard…could not be reached immediately…. for comment!

KOOLAID2 on October 27, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Defunding and disbanding homeland security should be priority one.
Murphy9 on October 27, 2013 at 2:12 PM

No, the Dept. of Education and Dept. of Energy should come first, followed by a thorough housecleaning at DOJ.

Maddie on October 27, 2013 at 2:19 PM

..EPA, IRS, Dept. of Interior

Rio Linda Refugee on October 27, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Don’t forget to clean out the State Department. Foggy Bottom is a noxious swamp that needs to be drained dry.

INC on October 27, 2013 at 2:51 PM

And how did the nose of the plane go all the way through WTC 2?

Steveangell on October 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Bush!

Actually, it was a 400,000 pound airplane hitting a building at over 500 miles per hour. You do the physics.

F-

Del Dolemonte on October 27, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Related to draining Foggy Bottom—FYI from Todd Starnes of FOX News:

I normally don’t recommend watching CBS – but tonight you need to watch 60 Minutes. They are going to have a powerful expose on what happened in Benghazi.

A security officer who was there and witnessed the attack speaks out.

I just finished reading an advanced script – and I’m simply outraged. President Obama’s Administration left Americans to die.

Watch 60 Minutes tonight and then call Congress and demand they take action.

INC on October 27, 2013 at 2:53 PM

I just finished reading an advanced script – and I’m simply outraged. President Obama’s Administration left Americans to die.

Watch 60 Minutes tonight and then call Congress and demand they take action.

INC on October 27, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Never, never, never forget that scumhag Hillary has lots of blood on her hands and big body, more than on Benghazi, and there too.

Schadenfreude on October 27, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Schadenfreude on October 27, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Don’t worry, I won’t. I’ll also be with you reminding others.

INC on October 27, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Dear INC, comment was for general consumption :)

————
Woodward – review secretive gov’t.

Schadenfreude on October 27, 2013 at 3:07 PM

It doesn’t matter if no French civilians were monitored – they’ll still complain.

In other areas… eep Candy Crawley… What have they done to you?!?

The Nerve on October 27, 2013 at 3:08 PM

I think our European allies are a bit fickle. They seemed pretty happy with us electing a communist in 2008. Actually, they seemed euphoric. I am not sure what other kind of behavior they expected from Obama.

DaveDief on October 27, 2013 at 3:11 PM

And how did the nose of the plane go all the way through WTC 2?

Steveangell on October 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Dick Cheney climbed the other side of the tower with the nose strapped to his back.

Please, keep up.

faraway on October 27, 2013 at 3:17 PM

If Obama had been sent here as a Mecca (qua ‘Manchurian’) Candidate to undermine, weaken, humiliate, and ultimately destroy America, he couldn’t have done a better job.

Barack Hussein has achieved more of Osama’s goals than Bin Laden ever dared dream.

profitsbeard on October 27, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Frum: “Obama promised me that only domestic terrorists would have their insurance cancelled”

faraway on October 27, 2013 at 3:22 PM

And how did the nose of the plane go all the way through WTC 2?

Steveangell on October 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM

…a lot of boogers…were in the nose!

KOOLAID2 on October 27, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Hey King Liar’s screwed up this country and he’s not satisfied and won’t be until the rest of the world is as screwed up as we are.

Mr. Curly on October 27, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Mr. Curly on October 27, 2013 at 3:25 PM

But how is Obama going to become President Of The World if they don’t like him?!?

The Nerve on October 27, 2013 at 3:28 PM

And how did the nose of the plane go all the way through WTC 2?
Steveangell on October 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Dick Cheney climbed the other side of the tower with the nose strapped to his back.
Please, keep up.
faraway on October 27, 2013 at 3:17 PM

No, that was Karl Rove. Stop spreading disinfo and let THE TROOF be known!!!!!!!!!

whatcat on October 27, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Frum thought he surely had a waiver…what gives…?

d1carter on October 27, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Defunding and disbanding homeland security should be priority one.
Murphy9 on October 27, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Getting rid of the NSA would be a good start.

whatcat on October 27, 2013 at 3:30 PM

One can have the greatest intelligence gathering there is, but if one has stupid idiots at the top make stupid, idiotic decisions it is worthless intelligence.

albill on October 27, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Personally, I’m a complete hypocrite on this subject and I’m fine with that. I don’t want any of our alleged allies spying on us, and when we catch them at it there need to be repercussions. By contrast, we need to stay on top of world affairs, so we may need to gather intel from any number of sources, including our friends.

I’m kind of in that boat with you, Jazz. If Germany and France want to take over the job of being the world’s policemen for the next 60 years, then I’d be happy to switch places with them in the surveillance world.

Dusty on October 27, 2013 at 3:45 PM

And how did the nose of the plane go all the way through WTC 2?

Steveangell on October 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Depleted uranium.

Think about it.

Dusty on October 27, 2013 at 3:55 PM

..EPA, IRS, Dept. of Interior
Rio Linda Refugee on October 27, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Don’t forget to clean out the State Department. Foggy Bottom is a noxious swamp that needs to be drained dry.
INC on October 27, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Getting rid of the NSA would be a good start.
whatcat on October 27, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Thanks. My blood pressure only allows me to type three at a time.

Maddie on October 27, 2013 at 4:21 PM

And how did the nose of the plane go all the way through WTC 2?
Steveangell on October 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM

it had an obamacare waiver, allowed it to pass right thru the red tape.

dmacleo on October 27, 2013 at 4:43 PM

I want to know what the wiretappers have on dirtbag Benedict Roberts [...]

viking01 on October 27, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Common wisdom is that it has to do with the adoption of his children, which appears to have perhaps skirted Irish adoption law (which prohibits private adoptions).

bofh on October 27, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Nothing personal. It’s just business.

Sounds just like what a mafia don or mafia hit man would say.

VorDaj on October 27, 2013 at 6:14 PM

“we’re doing it for their own good”

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha

my day stopped telling met that when I was about 12

what a troll

roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 27, 2013 at 6:57 PM

dad

donabernathy on October 27, 2013 at 6:57 PM

I want to know what the wiretappers have on dirtbag Benedict Roberts who saw fit to force this Obamacare monstrosity onto The People and was willing to weasel word a mandate into a tax to show the serfs their place.

viking01

They have absolutely nothing, which makes his decision even more disturbing.

xblade on October 27, 2013 at 7:48 PM

How can you call House Homeland Security chair, Mike Rogers, an administration representative.

He is a Republican member of the House of Representatives.

slp on October 27, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Snowden is the biggest embarrassment for this administration. Bush would have never allowed this to happen. If Bush were president the elites in the media would have wall to wall coverage about it. The elite media reluctantly covered this story.

nazo311 on October 28, 2013 at 8:24 AM

And how did the nose of the plane go all the way through WTC 2?

It was a successful experiment by the Defense Advanced Projects Agency (DARPA) to test the theory that when a Boeing 767 crashes into a skyscraper it creates a tear in the time/space continuum which will allow the nose of the aircraft to pass through the building.

When DARPA employees heard that the nose actually passed through the WTC, cheers went up as they broke out the Champagne to celebrate the validation of their theory.

DARPA later apologized for the unintended consequences of the experiment.

Don’t you keep up with the news on scientific discoveries?

BMF on October 28, 2013 at 8:31 AM

I’m a complete hypocrite on this subject and I’m fine with that. I don’t want any of our alleged allies spying on us, and when we catch them at it there need to be repercussions. By contrast, we need to stay on top of world affairs, so we may need to gather intel from any number of sources, including our friends.

Our allies are just demanding some repurcussions. What’s the big deal. Saying your doing it for their own good should help things.

lexhamfox on October 28, 2013 at 11:26 AM