Open Thread – Anti-NSA Rally in DC

posted at 10:01 am on October 26, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

There’s another march on the nation’s capitol this weekend, this time to protest the practices of the NSA and various other surveillance activities of the government. Oddly enough though, aside from a couple of brief mentions on CNN this morning and a few back page coverage pieces, the media seems to be paying even less attention to it than the Million Vet March. (Am I sensing a pattern here, or just being too cynical? Perhaps protesting when Obama is in office is more of a “local story.”) Maybe it will pick up more later if the turnout is good, but there are a few outlets covering it already.

In protest of the National Security Agency’s surveillance program, thousands of people are expected to march on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on Saturday.

The rally is being put together by a coalition of diverse groups that have come together under the umbrella organization Stop Watching Us. Their goal: end government spying.

The NSA is one of the biggest surveillance and eavesdropping agencies in the U.S. and was whistleblower Edward Snowden’s workplace before he decided to leak some of the agency’s top-secret documents to the press in June.

One of the interesting things to watch for here is that the original impetus for the rally seemed to come from primarily left leaning forces, though there are contributors from across the spectrum. This is demonstrated by the general ratio of “star power” on display in this video promoting the event.

Of course, in their usual sense of fairness and dedication to public welfare, liberals supporting the effort have decided to put aside their partisan bickering in the interest of the greater good and are welcoming conservatives holding similar views with open arms.

Naw, I’m just kidding. They’re still throwing stones right and left. Well, mostly Left.

Don’t ally with libertarians: Ideologues co-opt an anti-NSA rally

“We demand the U.S. Congress reveal the full extent of the NSA’s spying programs,” is the basic demand of Stop Watching Us.

This is a vital cause, and I agree with it.

Yet I cannot support this coalition or the rally. It is fatally compromised by the prominent leadership and participation of the Libertarian Party and other libertarian student groups; their hardcore ideology stands in direct opposition to almost everything I believe in as a social democrat.

The Libertarian Party itself — inaccurately described by Stop Watching Us as a “public advocacy organization” — is a right-wing political party that opposes all gun control laws and public healthcare, supported the government shutdown, dismisses public education, opposes organized labor, favors the end of Social Security as we know it, and argues in its formal political manifesto that “we should eliminate the entire social welfare system” while supporting “unrestricted competition among banks and depository institutions of all types.”

See? It doesn’t matter if you agree with them on this “vital cause” or not. If you also happen to support gun rights, right to work laws, entitlement program reform or the free market in general, you’re not welcome here. You’re not our sort of people and we don’t want you ruining our party by making it look like we agree on something. You really can’t make this stuff up.

If the turnout is large and/or the media actually starts offering some coverage of this, we’ll bring in some updates. Otherwise, take this as your morning open thread and have at it.


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We’re getting calls from a bank or collection agency or whatever for my niece, whom I’ve never called and only see at family outings.

If private sector entities can make such connections, I guess NSA knows that I have a stogie stuffed in my maw as I type, and what brand it is.

Akzed on October 26, 2013 at 10:08 AM

NIXON! NIXON NIXON!

Akzed on October 26, 2013 at 10:14 AM

The Left does not share power, allying with them over this is folly.

thebrokenrattle on October 26, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Obama.

Why can’t the Hollywood lefties say his name?

Fallon on October 26, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Rep. Peter King will be mad as hell at this non-Cruz strategy.

mjbrooks3 on October 26, 2013 at 10:19 AM

First they came for the gun owners,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a gun owner.
Then they came for the libertarians,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Libertarian.
Then they came for the Conservatives,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Conservative.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 26, 2013 at 10:24 AM

If the NSA doesn’t implant all the protestors with GPS listening devices during this rally, then I am going to stop believing in the Great and Powerful Oz.

myrenovations on October 26, 2013 at 10:28 AM

The focus is wrong. The issue here isn’t that the NSA spies on us, but that we allowed the government to become a bloated, centralized, power hungry monster. Unfortunately the types showing up at this protest don’t get that at all. They probably all are ObamaCare cheerleaders, yet they can’t make the connection in their emotional brains.

NotCoach on October 26, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Useless Idiots.

Bmore on October 26, 2013 at 10:36 AM

See? It doesn’t matter if you agree with them on this “vital cause” or not. If you also happen to support gun rights, right to work laws, entitlement program reform or the free market in general, you’re not welcome here. You’re not our sort of people and we don’t want you ruining our party by making it look like we agree on something. You really can’t make this stuff up.

I guess I should read the article first, because this touches on what I posted above. These people are morons.

NotCoach on October 26, 2013 at 10:36 AM

NotCoach on October 26, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Brilliantly stated.

Cleombrotus on October 26, 2013 at 10:39 AM

The biggest surveillance operation in the history of mandkind is being run by a negro that complained about “shopping while black” department store surveillance in his youth……….

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

ya can’t make this chit up.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 26, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Open thread, right?

Immigration reform dead in the House for 2013?

Report: Paul Ryan Is Co-Writing Amnesty Bill That Will Grant Citizenship to 11 Million Illegals

That didn’t take long…

Fallon on October 26, 2013 at 10:40 AM

The biggest surveillance operation in the history of mandkind is being run by a Black Guy that complained about “shopping while black” department store surveillance in his youth……….

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

ya can’t make this chit up.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 26, 2013 at 10:43 AM

These people are morons.

NotCoach on October 26, 2013 at 10:36 AM

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/25/tweet-of-the-day-34/

workingclass artist on October 26, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Ya can vaporize women & children minding their own business with hellfire missile strikes from drones… but don’t read my emails to Tom Cruise.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 26, 2013 at 10:52 AM

If the MSM doesn’t report it, it didn’t happen.

GarandFan on October 26, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Just a reminder: Edward Snowden is not the real issue and never was. He is a man, and his time will pass. Mostly, it already has.

The mass spying is the real issue. Does anyone want to guarantee that that will pass away of its own accord?

David Blue on October 26, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Perhaps protesting when Obama is in office is more of a “local story.”) Maybe it will undoubtedly pick up more later if the turnout is good a Republican ever wins the WH again

FIFY

Midas on October 26, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Ya can vaporize women & children minding their own business with hellfire missile strikes from drones… but don’t read my emails to Tom Cruise. roflmmfao donabernathy on October 26, 2013 at 10:52 AM

This too, right genius?

Akzed on October 26, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Juan Williams (heart) the NSA:

Strange days indeed.

I guess his tune were it Bush would be a different melody.

Sherman1864 on October 26, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Stop watching us? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Molly_Crabapple_1.JPG

Seth Halpern on October 26, 2013 at 11:25 AM

The weekly pack-O-lies from the fascist in chief:

http://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/10/26/weekly-address-enrolling-affordable-care-act-marketplace.

Don’t worry,,it’s the transcript. I can’t stand to see his face either.

It’s not even a “soft” tyranny any longer, as Levin states. It’s a straight up fascist superstate. It can’t be argued as anything else.

With Stasi in place.

wolly4321 on October 26, 2013 at 11:28 AM

You vote for big government, that the state can solve all problems.

You vote for people who believe in a socialist utopia and “any means necessary”.

You vote for people who believe that the constitution is an outdated document written by wealthy racists.

YOU GET WHAT YOU ASKED FOR.

kcewa on October 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM

If we don’t know the level of subsidies that [Hillary's plan is] going to provide, then you can have a situation, which we are seeing right now in the state of Massachusetts, where people are being fined for not having purchased health care but choose to accept the fine because they still can’t afford it, even with the subsidies. And they are then worse off. They then have no health care and are paying a fine above and beyond that.

Dogeater, Feb26,2008, in Cleveland.

Ironic, no?

wolly4321 on October 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM

You want more government, well sister this is more government, welcome to the hell you created.

Bishop on October 26, 2013 at 11:45 AM

A government big enough to give you a free phone is a government big enough to…

kcewa on October 26, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Sorta, but not really OT, since it’s about political messaging and branding: Bill Whittle’s latest. Common-sense, and worth a look.

bofh on October 26, 2013 at 11:57 AM

You want more government, well sister this is more government, welcome to the hell you created.

Bishop on October 26, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Because overall the European Model is a spectacular success…

“Holland’s new king Willem-Alexander today declared the end of the welfare state in a nationally-televised annual address…”

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2423751/Dutch-King-Willem-Alexander-declares-welfare-state-20th-century-over.html#ixzz2iqP7iK00
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workingclass artist on October 26, 2013 at 11:58 AM

These idiots vote this monster in not just once but twice, they shout out Koch Bros, racist, baggers like a Tourette’s syndrome patient on steroids. They look the other way while this administration suppresses the votes of the Tea Party by denying their IRS tax exempt status for years. While watching this corrupt regime and its DOD launch fast n furious and finally they protest because they are seeing the NSA coming after them too. Guess when it affects th they get worried finally. Will they join with us and impeach this horrible Prez they elected? I won’t hold my breath.

neyney on October 26, 2013 at 12:11 PM

A small government could conceivably have done the same thing, given advances in modern technology. Any zealous intelligence service requires responsible oversight. J. Edgar Hoover was first appointed by President Coolidge, I believe.

As for bugging Mistress Merkel, how else are we supposed to keep abreast of Putin jokes?

Seth Halpern on October 26, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Seeing a bunch of Hollywood-types in the video I am inclined to grant their wish.

agmartin on October 26, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Because overall the European Model is a spectacular success…

“Holland’s new king Willem-Alexander today declared the end of the welfare state in a nationally-televised annual address…”

workingclass artist on October 26, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Amazing speech. The king, who is at 46 the youngest monarch in Europe, said a new ‘participation society’ would take its place, in which people must save and invest to create their own social safety net with less help from the national government.

kcewa on October 26, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Meanwhile the azzhole in chief fancies himself king and orders the Smithsonian around…to please his bros.

Schadenfreude on October 26, 2013 at 12:25 PM

A small government could conceivably have done the same thing, given advances in modern technology. Any zealous intelligence service requires responsible oversight. J. Edgar Hoover was first appointed by President Coolidge, I believe.
Seth Halpern on October 26, 2013 at 12:18 PM

You believe wrong:

Immediately after getting his LL.M degree, Hoover was hired by the Justice Department to work in the War Emergency Division. He soon became the head of the Division’s Alien Enemy Bureau, authorized by President Wilson at the beginning of World War I to arrest and jail disloyal foreigners without trial.[9] He received additional authority from the 1917 Espionage Act. Out of a list of 1400 suspicious Germans living in the U.S., the Bureau arrested 98 and designated 1,172 as arrestable.[13]
In August 1919 Hoover became head of the Bureau of Investigation’s new General Intelligence Division—also known as the Radical Division because its goal was to monitor and disrupt the work of domestic radicals.[13] America’s First Red Scare was beginning, and one of Hoover’s first assignments was to carry out the Palmer Raids.[14]

kcewa on October 26, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Don’t let them fool you, the lefties would be perfectly happy with the government spying on conservative organizations and people.

albill on October 26, 2013 at 12:28 PM

See? It doesn’t matter if you agree with them on this “vital cause” or not. If you also happen to support gun rights, right to work laws, entitlement program reform or the free market in general, you’re not welcome here. You’re not our sort of people and we don’t want you ruining our party by making it look like we agree on something. You really can’t make this stuff up.

The idiotic leftists, who are never truly liberal/progressive, have no clue that their freedom depends on freedom of speech (e-mail, internet and etc. too), freedom of the press (see Holder/obama’s goons going after the press), the NSA not conducting illegal and Goebellian activities, denying them, and so much more.

God, how they deserve to have their heads chopped off first. I’d watch an laugh, no kidding.

Schadenfreude on October 26, 2013 at 12:30 PM

workingclass artist on October 26, 2013 at 11:58 AM

What? O_o

Saving and investing sounds eerily similar to taking personal responsibility for yourself and family, I’m not too hip on such outdated notions.

Bishop on October 26, 2013 at 12:32 PM

What? O_o

Saving and investing sounds eerily similar to taking personal responsibility for yourself and family, I’m not too hip on such outdated notions.

Bishop on October 26, 2013 at 12:32 PM

workingclass artist is stuck in the Bush era.

Murphy9 on October 26, 2013 at 12:35 PM

I rewrote a line:

Their hardcore consistent application of principle stands in direct opposition to every immoral act I believe in as a social democrat.

fatlibertarianinokc on October 26, 2013 at 12:50 PM

@kcewa: LOL, your own link says it was Coolidge who first appointed him director of what became the FBI.

I’m pretty sure even Glenn Beck thinks reading is fundamental.

Seth Halpern on October 26, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Photo: “Molly Crabapple” name of woman.
Uh….she is using a fake name….not her real name.

albill on October 26, 2013 at 12:52 PM

workingclass artist is stuck in the Bush era.

Murphy9 on October 26, 2013 at 12:35 PM

I was stuck in Colorado high up in the mountains for over a month completing a job without a computer…surrounded by disgruntled liberals who don’t like Texans.

Strange experience…But altogether an interesting one.

Amazing speech. The king, who is at 46 the youngest monarch in Europe, said a new ‘participation society’ would take its place, in which people must save and invest to create their own social safety net with less help from the national government.

kcewa on October 26, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Yep!

Probably quite the culture shock for generational dependents…but a necessary step in the right direction.

workingclass artist on October 26, 2013 at 12:54 PM

@albill: Ya think? She’s basically a performance artist. Started in porn. Cute, though.

Seth Halpern on October 26, 2013 at 12:54 PM

I should clarify, she was a porn illustrator, not an actress.

Seth Halpern on October 26, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Colorado is beautiful btw…Spectacular scenery and I hope to get a good body of work out of it.

It was interesting being around so many liberal LIV’s who were baffled by the failure of their dear leader’s roll out of his signature healthcare plan…kinda felt like the Alamo…

workingclass artist on October 26, 2013 at 12:58 PM

workingclass artist on October 26, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Sounds like you were in Crested Butte

Rio Linda Refugee on October 26, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Sounds like you were in Crested Butte

Rio Linda Refugee on October 26, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Bachelor Gulch.

Clients were very nice people who hoped to have their vacation home completed before the season…The locals on the crew were liberals by and large…so the job was running behind schedule.

Completing the hotub after the first snow…go figure…

I was working inside where there was heat.

*snicker*

workingclass artist on October 26, 2013 at 1:09 PM

@kcewa: LOL, your own link says it was Coolidge who first appointed him director of what became the FBI.

I’m pretty sure even Glenn Beck thinks reading is fundamental.

Seth Halpern on October 26, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Seth – I didn’t post a link. Nor do I have one. Writing skills and computer literacy are also fundamental.

And the FBI existed before Coolidge. And Hoover was “first appointed” by Wilson to an “oversight” role in a “zealous intelligence service” which you claimed was done by Coolidge.

And what does Glenn Beck have to do with anything?

kcewa on October 26, 2013 at 1:25 PM

opposes all gun control laws and public healthcare, supported the government shutdown, dismisses public education, opposes organized labor, favors the end of Social Security as we know it, and argues in its formal political manifesto that “we should eliminate the entire social welfare system” while supporting “unrestricted competition among banks and depository institutions of all types.”

If you want government control of everything, you get NSA spying.

They never get that.

mankai on October 26, 2013 at 1:44 PM

See? It doesn’t matter if you agree with them on this “vital cause” or not. If you also happen to support gun rights, right to work laws, entitlement program reform or the free market in general, you’re not welcome here. You’re not our sort of people and we don’t want you ruining our party by making it look like we agree on something. You really can’t make this stuff up

And yet during the Occupy movement they were okey-dokey with Truther groups and anarchists joining their party.

DethMetalCookieMonst on October 26, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Because overall the European Model is a spectacular success…

“Holland’s new king Willem-Alexander today declared the end of the welfare state in a nationally-televised annual address…”

workingclass artist on October 26, 2013 at 11:58 AM

*adds Holland to the list of possible evac destinations*

Midas on October 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Why do I strongly suspect that many of these are the same people who praised Obama for having the IRS target conservative groups?

They have no problem with ANYTHING that’s done against their opponents. All for the “greater good,” dontcha know?

JannyMae on October 26, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Progs are scared to death of a realignment in which liberal libertarians (aka ‘classical liberals’) ally with the conservative libertarians, hence their hatred of Rand Paul.

petefrt on October 26, 2013 at 2:52 PM

roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 26, 2013 at 10:24 AM
donabernathy on October 26, 2013 at 10:39 AM
donabernathy on October 26, 2013 at 10:43 AM
donabernathy on October 26, 2013 at 10:52 AM

I’m not sure the point of this, but it’s rather tedious. Most things are not that funny, and none of the things you mentioned are.

DrMagnolias on October 26, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Anything that annoys both the Paulbots and the Mexican and French governments can’t be bad.

unclesmrgol on October 26, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Molly Crabapple (from the front page photo)

Does she pronounce it Crab apple, like the teacher in the old Li’l Rascals comedies, or Krabopple like the teacher in the Simpsons
(who unfortunately has passed on (Marcia Wallace))

LegendHasIt on October 26, 2013 at 3:51 PM

…all…low-life leftists!

KOOLAID2 on October 26, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Does she pronounce it Crab apple, like the teacher in the old Li’l Rascals comedies…

LegendHasIt on October 26, 2013 at 3:51 PM

That was Miss Crabtree. She was hot. How come none of my teachers ever looked like that?

CurtZHP on October 26, 2013 at 4:38 PM

I can’t help but laugh about the “social Democrats” refusing to support this initiative despite complete agreement, all because of the presence of the Libertarians and their hard core philosophy.

My brother the Socialist/Democrat tells me that he wonders why all libertarian-leaning thinkers aren’t Democrats, because they “believe in the same things”. My co-worker the liberal Democrat wonders why his fellow Democrats are afraid to proudly acknowledge that the Democrat platform is socialism, which is a good thing.

But if you call Obama a socialist or his policies “socialism”, you are a right wing extremist. Which is it?

Jaibones on October 26, 2013 at 6:16 PM

If appointed to the NSA I promise to personally take charge of Miss Crabapple’s file —if that’s her real name.

claudius on October 28, 2013 at 9:39 AM