Who’s up for a new Republican amnesty push?

posted at 11:21 am on October 24, 2013 by Allahpundit

I understand why Obama, who’s speaking about immigration this morning, wants to push the issue. When your opponent has just finished nearly tearing itself apart over defunding ObamaCare, why not bait it with amnesty to see if it’ll tear itself apart further? What I don’t understand is why House GOP leaders would take the bait. Boehner said yesterday in response to a question that he hasn’t ruled out bringing immigration back up this year. Normally I’d dismiss that as basic pandering, to show Latino voters that this is still a priority among the caucus even if it isn’t, but other GOPers like Mario Diaz-Balart claim that a “number” of Republicans are negotiating over a series of piecemeal immigration bills — and, he says, they understand that Democratic votes will be needed to pass them, which may or may not mean that Boehner’s prepared to violate the Hastert Rule (again) to get this done. Why anyone — anyone — in the party would want to distract the public right now with a shiny object when newspapers are filled with stories about Healthcare.gov’s meltdown imperiling ObamaCare, I can’t begin to imagine. Bad enough that they’d follow through on a quixotic play like “defund,” but then to not follow through by focusing all the party’s messaging on O-Care when Obama’s desperately trying to change the subject by reviving immigration? That’s a firing offense, quite apart from the merits or lack thereof of whatever immigration bill they end up opposing.

We’ll see what Boehner does. In the meantime, Darrell Issa’s decided to introduce his own immigration bill — one that would grant illegals “temporary” legal status for six years while America figures out what permanent track to put them on. Show of hands: Who thinks Congress will muster the will to revoke that “temporary” status for those who don’t qualify for permanent status when the six-year period is up?

Issa’s forthcoming legislation takes elements from similar legislation he introduced in December 2003, the Alien Accountability Act. The six-year period is intended to whittle down the undocumented immigrant population into several categories, such as immigrants with family ties to U.S. citizens or immigrants who want to participate in a guest-worker program.

Bringing undocumented immigrants out “of the shadows” would also help the government identify undocumented immigrants with a criminal background, who would be deported from the United States, Issa said.

“If somebody has a nexus that would reasonably allow them to become permanent residents and American citizen, we should allow them to do that,” Issa said. He added: “Our view is that long before six years, people would be in those categories heading toward some other pathway, in a guest worker program, or of course, have left the country.”

Conservatives in the House have been crowing lately that they won’t go to a conference committee with the Senate for fear that the final product will look too much like the Gang of Eight’s comprehensive bill, but if the alternative is to grant fake “temporary” amnesty to illegals without absolute assurance of border-security improvements first, I don’t see what the material difference is. That reminds me of the plan to grant legal status to illegals while barring them from any citizenship track; amnesty fans have been receptive to that because they know the citizenship bar will be lifted over time. If the House GOP sincerely believes in the “piecemeal” approach to comprehensive reform, I don’t know why they’re not focused entirely on drafting border-security legislation right now. That’s the first step in piecemeal passage; if they’re already looking past that to the legalization step, then they’re obviously more concerned with voter perceptions than they are with policy.

Rich Lowry wonders: Is a new immigration push the price of having stuck with the “defund” strategy all the way to the point of a government shutdown?

1) The Republican leadership is going to feel pressure to do some sort of bi-partisan pivot in a misbegotten attempt to repair the party’s image, which at least for now is uniformly in the toilet in every poll.

2) The political judgment of the groups and members who favored the shutdown strategy and most strongly oppose amnesty is going to be highly suspect after defunding didn’t work. This will give them less influence in the immigration fight than they would have had otherwise.

3) The supporters of defunding in the House could use a few dozen members to drive the rest of the caucus. The dynamic will be different on immigration. Because Democrats all opposed any fiscal measure offered by the Republican leadership, the votes of those few dozen members were essential to passing anything. On immigration, Democrats could well support incremental immigration measures to get to a conference with the Senate, meaning a few dozen Republican votes against don’t mean anything anymore.

In other words, “defund” was the cookie they gave to tea partiers. Now they need to give a cookie to the establishment for putting them through it, and there’s no cookie tastier than amnesty. Business groups who are angry at tea partiers over the shutdown have been begging for immigration reform for years, and because reform polls well on balance, it would in theory help revive the GOP’s standing somewhat among the wider electorate. Best of all, as Lowry says, because RINOs in the House stuck with “defund” almost to the very end, they’ll be less inclined to listen to tea partiers again if/when immigration comes to the floor. I still think Boehner’s unlikely to pursue it, just because the rift it would cause between the center and the right might be irreparably deep in the near term after the shutdown debacle, but if they do it, this is why. They’ve been eager ever since November to do something to rebuild the party’s brand and now, post-shutdown, they’re more eager than ever. Since the beginning of the year, they’ve fixated on immigration as a magic bullet to achieve their goal. No surprise really that they’d turn back to it now.


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A nation must think before it acts.” —Robert Strausz-Hupé

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Pass amnesty and Pelosi will get the hammer in 2015, very well earned and deserved!

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 11:23 AM

The RINOs hate the American citizens and legal workers, and the next generations, as much as do the Ds.

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 11:23 AM

The RINOs ignore the US laws as much as do the Ds.

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 11:24 AM

obama’care’, er the ACA (note that obama and Carney no longer call it obamacare), and amnesty will make the US Greece at best, Zimbabwe at worst.

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 11:25 AM

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Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Darrell Issa’s decided to introduce his own immigration bill — one that would grant illegals “temporary” legal status for six years while America figures out what permanent track to put them on.

That’s just silly.

Everyone knows you only need 5 years, three months and 21 days to figure out how to fix it.

fogw on October 24, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Manchin/Rubio 2016 – forget Hillary.

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 11:27 AM

We can’t fix the crippling debt.
We can’t stop Obamacare.
We can’t investigate the White House for Fast and Furious or Benghazi.
We still have no budget.
Unemployment is the highest ever in the US.
International relationships are at an all time low.

But by God we’ll legalize 20 million illegals who will raid our US treasury and vote Democrat.

It doesn’t make ANY sense to be a legal citizen of the US anymore… Illegals have MORE rights and MORE benefits.

Skywise on October 24, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Boner said yesterday that he hopes to have this “done” in one year.

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Who’s up for a new GOP party..?

d1carter on October 24, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Boehner really needs to grab the caucus by the shorthairs and get these people in line.

We can’t have independent gangs or groups negotiating without involvement of leadership. That’s a recipe for failure.

For the party to survive, it needs to speak with one voice reading from the same page. It needs to be based on a shared goal, not some individuals or “gangs” ruminations.

Marcus Traianus on October 24, 2013 at 11:28 AM

GOP are complete idiots. The only thing they should be talking about is Obamacare and our debt.

mrscullen on October 24, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Yeah that’s going to make the base happy – NOT

gophergirl on October 24, 2013 at 11:29 AM

All y’all knew this.
Meanwhile……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO-GsDwYwtI

katy the mean old lady on October 24, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Why anyone — anyone — in the party would want to distract the public right now with a shiny object when newspapers are filled with stories about Healthcare.gov’s meltdown imperiling ObamaCare, I can’t begin to imagine.

Because the GOP leadership are the despicable, lying sacks of s^@t we’ve been saying they are. They are turds of the first order.

This is why I will never cast a GOP vote, again. There is nothing to be gained by giving the GOP any power. They just push the same treasonous things that the dems and the Indonesian push. They are retarded scum.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 24, 2013 at 11:29 AM

This will be your best read in a long time.

The world as it is and will continue to slide into…the old ways…regression all the way.

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Defund the GOP.

Or dump it altogether and form a second political party.

America deserves a second political party!

Meople on October 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Jobs, jobs, jobs…the GOP is focused like a laser. Wait…

d1carter on October 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM

In other words, “defund” was the cookie they gave to tea partiers. Now they need to give a cookie to the establishment for putting them through it, and there’s no cookie tastier than amnesty. Business groups who are angry at tea partiers over the shutdown have been begging for immigration reform for years, and because reform polls well on balance, it would in theory help revive the GOP’s standing somewhat among the wider electorate.

There’s no logic in that(aside from pandering to businesses for donations). The GOP base hates amnesty. Not just Tea Partiers. The entire base. Sure there’s a small portion that supports it for their own selfish reasons or because they’ve deluded themselves into thinking this will win over Latino voters, but the vast majority of Republican voters want no part of it. If you don’t believe me, ask Marco Rubio whose Presidential aspirations may be dead thanks to the Gang of Eight bill.

Unless the Republican establishment is suicidal, they’d be wise to back away from this and never go near it again. And as for the “cookie” they gave to Tea Partiers, we received nothing of the sort. We received nothing in the shutdown negotiations from the Dems. Absolutely nothing. I don’t see the logic in rubbing salt in our wounds by now trying to shove amnesty down our throats.

Doughboy on October 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM

I understand why Obama, who’s speaking about immigration this morning, wants to push the issue. When your opponent has just finished nearly tearing itself apart over defunding ObamaCare, why not bait it with amnesty to see if it’ll tear itself apart further? What I don’t understand is why House GOP leaders would take the bait.

Because they share a common class enemy, AP.

Steve Eggleston on October 24, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Republicans need a message?! Just spit-balling here, but how about, hmmm, I don’t know…fiscal restraint, smaller government, and personal liberty and responsibility?

Isn’t that the point of being a republican?

LASue on October 24, 2013 at 11:31 AM

So tie in a no-benefits condition, federal or otherwise, and evidence of sponsorship by a citizen to any legislation. In past immigration waves, those were the rules.

onlineanalyst on October 24, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Some more of that Karl Rove whiteboard strategy? They want to give anmesty to 20 million illegals so they can sign up for ObamaCare and overwhelm the system….that’s the ticket.

d1carter on October 24, 2013 at 11:32 AM

They’ve been eager ever since November to do something to rebuild the party’s brand and now, post-shutdown, they’re more eager to do that than ever.

Here’s a party building idea: hammer Democrats for requesting a mandate delay a week after they refused to end the shutdown in exchange for it.

blammm on October 24, 2013 at 11:32 AM

ktmol, God love you!

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Darrell Issa… you know, I looked up “pointless” in the dictionary the other day and it had a picture of one of his Congressional hearings. You’re more likely to be served coffee in those than a warrant for your arrest.

beatcanvas on October 24, 2013 at 11:33 AM

2014 will be lots of fun.

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Yeah that’s going to make the base happy – NOT

gophergirl on October 24, 2013 at 11:29 AM

What base? They’ve already thrown, or tried to throw, every single part that actually has a vote under the bus, from fiscal conservatives (dating back to Dubya) to social conservatives (in 2012); from those opposed to turning the country into North Mexico (again dating back to Dubya) to seniors (or at least those with pensions, which got rejected by the rank-and-file).

Steve Eggleston on October 24, 2013 at 11:34 AM

The State Run Media need something to focus on other than that shiny ObamaCare thingy…

d1carter on October 24, 2013 at 11:35 AM

GOP are complete idiots. The only thing they should be talking about is Obamacare and our debt.

mrscullen on October 24, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Instead, they are giving the Gimmedat party everything they ever asked for (and more) on a silver platter.

This is why I will never cast a GOP vote, again.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 24, 2013 at 11:29 AM

I held my nose and voted for Romney in 2012 only because I thought he would do less damage than the REBOTUS. I’m also sick and tired of voting for the “lesser” of two evils all the time, only to find out that neither one is any less evil than the other.

UltimateBob on October 24, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Please do elitists–since many of us are hell-bent upon throwing all you socialist loving scoundrels out of office ASAP, you’ll just add to the avalanche.

Press one to un-elect!

Don L on October 24, 2013 at 11:36 AM

I can’t believe how stupid this party is. You’ve got this renewed call for amnesty (including the joke of temporary status…what the hell, Issa), on top of Republicans trying to rescue ObamaCare by pushing for a delay now.

What a joke.

changer1701 on October 24, 2013 at 11:37 AM

I’m old enough to remember when we had a two party system.

mjbrooks3 on October 24, 2013 at 11:37 AM

So this….is how the GOP is going to snatch defeat from the ObamaCare fiasco…

d1carter on October 24, 2013 at 11:37 AM

I don’t see the logic in rubbing salt in our wounds by now trying to shove amnesty down our throats.

Doughboy on October 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM

I think that’s exactly what it is. We’ve seen in lots of articles that the big donors and party leadership are both anxious to “push back” against conservative voters. This is likely one phase of that pushback.

It isn’t rational, but the GOP is now actively campaigning against its own base, right out in the open. I don’t really think this is about winning elections anymore, for either side.

Doomberg on October 24, 2013 at 11:37 AM

What part of no don’t they understand? At this point between adding 15 to 40 million new Democrats to the country or ticking off your base the GOP is toast anyway. Boner rot in he//

neyney on October 24, 2013 at 11:38 AM

I’ve said it time and time again. The reason the GOPe is pro-amnesty is because they don’t want our votes and they are trying to dilute our influence within the party. They will gladly sellout the nation while holding hands with the leftists as long as they keep getting power and privilege. We no longer have a Republic. We have oligarchs who refuse to give up power. We must force them out before there is nothing left.

njrob on October 24, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Well, when Republicans have decided to kill off their base (see headlines) they are going to need replacement voters and I guess they think illegals are the way to go. Brilliant.

Cindy Munford on October 24, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Unbelievable. Can we please try to do ONE thing right? Just one is all I ask.

MTF on October 24, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Well, Given that Conservatives and (small L) libertarians are the real RINOs now that the Republican Party has moved so far left, I propose a new acronym for the liberals and squishes that run the Party now…

Democrats In All But Label Only.

Or DIABLOs for short.

Which by coincidence means DEVILS in Spanish.

–HA’s LegendHasIt

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Too bad some of those fair-weather conservatives don’t read some Mark Steyn (among others) and get out more in the world.

Anybody who doesn’t realize that “ordinary working” Europeans are unhappy about the immigration patterns over the past 20 years needs to go to Europe and talk to a few, as I have.

Foreigners in Germany reach record levels

Burqas were rarely if ever seen in Europe 20 years ago. They are all over now. Sorry, but that’s the truth and the reality.

Drained Brain on October 24, 2013 at 11:44 AM

I think that’s exactly what it is. We’ve seen in lots of articles that the big donors and party leadership are both anxious to “push back” against conservative voters. This is likely one phase of that pushback.

It isn’t rational, but the GOP is now actively campaigning against its own base, right out in the open. I don’t really think this is about winning elections anymore, for either side.

Doomberg on October 24, 2013 at 11:37 AM

I get that to an extent. But at some point, they need to come to terms with the fact that this isn’t some fringe element of their base. Look at the polls. This IS their base. Republican voters are overwhelmingly conservative, particularly with regard to fiscal matters. They don’t support amnesty. They want a reduction in the welfare state. And they have little to no trust in the federal government.

Add all that up and there’s nothing to be gained electorally from passing amnesty. Driving your base away is suicide. And this isn’t a situation where conservative voters will sit home and lick their wounds for one election cycle, but eventually return to the fold. The GOP is done if they go through with this, especially if it’s accomplished by violating the Hastert Rule yet again in the House.

Doughboy on October 24, 2013 at 11:44 AM

What I don’t understand is why House GOP leaders would take the bait.

Because they want it as much as or maybe even more so than the dems do.

Dr. Frank Enstine on October 24, 2013 at 11:45 AM

What’s the big mystery? The funders of the Whigs are pressuring the RINO leadership on a daily basis to move along amnesty. Sheldon Adelson needs a low wage workforce for his casinos. Boehner, Cantor, Ryan et al need access to big donor cash…..simple

kingsmill on October 24, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Well, when Republicans have decided to kill off their base (see headlines) they are going to need replacement voters and I guess they think illegals are the way to go. Brilliant.

Cindy Munford on October 24, 2013 at 11:41 AM

The fools don’t know that they will not get them either.

Newsflash – the RINOs don’t care to win. They care to remain the backbenchers, living gloriously, like McConnell.

They hate your children as much as the Ds do, so long as they live regal lives.

Wake up already. They both exist to milk the system, the middle class, the producers, the taxpayers, the children be damned.

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 11:45 AM

and because reform polls well on balance

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

Seriously, where are these polls? I haven’t seen any poll that comes close to show that amnesty “polls well” at all.

PetecminMd on October 24, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Those idiots start pushing “amnesty”, the phone lines will be melting again.

So go ahead. Do something about “amnesty” and we’ll see what the 2014 election results tell us.

GarandFan on October 24, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Remember the GOP wanted RomneyCare as well…

d1carter on October 24, 2013 at 11:48 AM

I’ve consistently voted in every midterm and general election for the past 40 years. If Congress pushes through a bipartisan amnesty bill, there is a compelling reason to vote to challenge incumbents in primaries but not to support them in the general elections. When both parties dish out bad policy, you might as well sit it out unless and until politicians hear us.

obladioblada on October 24, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Add all that up and there’s nothing to be gained electorally from passing amnesty. Driving your base away is suicide. And this isn’t a situation where conservative voters will sit home and lick their wounds for one election cycle, but eventually return to the fold. The GOP is done if they go through with this, especially if it’s accomplished by violating the Hastert Rule yet again in the House.

Doughboy on October 24, 2013 at 11:44 AM

They don’t care. They know that safe lobbying jobs await them as long as they give away goodies. A pox on them and their fellow travellers in the leftist party.

njrob on October 24, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Rich Lowry wonders: Is a new immigration push the price of having stuck with the “defund” strategy all the way to the point of a government shutdown?

A partial shutdown.

Only 28% of federal workers were furloughed, in other words given paid vacations. Sounds more like a new fringe benefit to me.

slickwillie2001 on October 24, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Hey Issa, how about getting some results with the issues you already have on your plate?

Do they even care if we vote for them anymore?

DanMan on October 24, 2013 at 11:52 AM

I think the GOP is shooting for a 35 seat House minority.

besser tot als rot on October 24, 2013 at 11:52 AM

I just sent Rubio an email siting the National Journal article. I am sure it won’t do any good but I thought it might be helpful for him to realize that we all have our library cards and are onto them.

Cindy Munford on October 24, 2013 at 11:52 AM

And this isn’t a situation where conservative voters will sit home and lick their wounds for one election cycle, but eventually return to the fold. The GOP is done if they go through with this…

Doughboy on October 24, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Also because with so many new immigrant votes, conservatives will be overwhelmed. I wouldn’t say the GOP is done, but conservatism at the federal level is. As if even bigger big government wasn’t already inevitable.

Fenris on October 24, 2013 at 11:52 AM

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

Seriously, where are these polls? I haven’t seen any poll that comes close to show that amnesty “polls well” at all.

PetecminMd on October 24, 2013 at 11:46 AM

The concept of “immigration reform” does poll well. But when you get into specifics, the support diminishes. For example, a large majority of Americans want the border secured first before any amnesty is granted. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen pollsters ask how big of a hit Americans are willing to take in their wallets to grant legal status. They seem to conveniently overlook the cost of adding 30-45 million new citizens.

Doughboy on October 24, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Note to GOP:

As a lifelong Republican until recently, you will never get another dime in contributions from me. I will take great pleasure in voting against every single establishment, progressive GOP candidate I see on my ballots in the future.

And I’m not just a likely voter. I’m a rock solid, 100% count on it, I’ll be there even if I’m dead voter.

So go right ahead, do Obamnesty, see what happens next November.

Meople on October 24, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Bad enough that they’d follow through on a quixotic play like “defund,” but then to not follow through by focusing all the party’s messaging on O-Care when Obama’s desperately trying to change the subject by reviving immigration? That’s a firing offense, quite apart from the merits or lack thereof of whatever immigration bill they end up opposing.

(1) This proves the establishment argument that the shutdown was distracting from ObamaCare was a load a nonsense. If they cared about not distracting from ObamaCare than why bring up Amnesty now.

(2) This is also proves the dangers of a political party being so tied into crony capitalist that they don’t care about what this will do to the party. Do they not understand that this will divide the party again, and even worse may finish it off for good?

(3) Why push for Amnesty now? If you believe Amnesty is going to help the GOP (I don’t but let’s say I did), why give Obama the victory thus the Democrats. They will take credit for it. Why not wait until after 2016 and then you can give a possible Republican president the win.

Therefore amnesty is dumb if you are anti-amnesty, it is dumb if you are pro-amnesty, it is dumb because you will distract from ObamaCare having a meltdown the like of which none of us thought possible, and it is really dumb if you want to keep the GOP together.

It is just dumb and proves that the establishment are a bunch of idiots and crooks.

William Eaton on October 24, 2013 at 11:54 AM

In other words, “defund” was the cookie they gave to tea partiers. Now they need to give a cookie to the establishment for putting them through it

Hello, they did not defund Obamacare.

agmartin on October 24, 2013 at 11:56 AM

So –

The Tea Party (aka “the base”) forced the Establishment to stand on its principles for a few weeks and make a show of doing what they were ostensibly sent to DC by their constituents to do – and that makes them mad as hell!!!

In exchange for this effrontery, the Establishment wants the Tea Party to sign off on a law that transforms the GOP a permanent minority party with no responsibility for anything ever again – beyond lining the pockets of its career politicians with taxpayer money.

Seems fair.

/sarc

DRayRaven on October 24, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Unless the Republican establishment is suicidal, they’d be wise to back away from this and never go near it again. And as for the “cookie” they gave to Tea Partiers, we received nothing of the sort. We received nothing in the shutdown negotiations from the Dems. Absolutely nothing. I don’t see the logic in rubbing salt in our wounds by now trying to shove amnesty down our throats.

Doughboy on October 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Good points.

The challenge with the GOP establishment is not that they are suicidal, but are working from fundamentally wrong assumptions – like the one that the solution to electoral success is to become and act progressive-lite.

In the entire immigration kerfuffle, they are also working from many of the same deeply flawed assumptions as the progressives are – that the current system is ‘broken’ and why it’s ‘broken’.

The core reason it’s broken is because we don’t and haven’t really enforced the immigration laws on the books. We haven’t secured our borders. We denigrate and take for granted legal immigrants – and refuse to encourage the immigration of those with the skills, education, and desire to assimilate and contribute to the country.

Instead we look at providing a path for the least educated, those with the least skills, and those with the least interest in assimilation into the country – prepare for them reams of state assistance and cash, and hope they will cast their ballots to the one who works the hardest to buy that vote.

In other words, we now have elements of both parties rushing to repeat the same fundamental mistakes regarding immigration reform that were made with the EpicClusterFark of healthcare reform…but I suspect they are expecting different results.

Athos on October 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM

slickwillie2001 on October 24, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Yep, as far as I am concerned the Slimdown showed us 28% non-essential unnecessary people employed by the federal government. I won’t be heartless and call for a RIF but I think we know where the hiring freeze starts and stops until attrition makes the numbers right.

Cindy Munford on October 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM

This is so simple…..just tell the Dems they can have immigration reform as long as they put the whole program into a government computer system.

Problem solved.

Rovin on October 24, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Also because with so many new immigrant votes, conservatives will be overwhelmed. I wouldn’t say the GOP is done, but conservatism at the federal level is. As if even bigger big government wasn’t already inevitable.

Fenris on October 24, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Given that the Tea Party Conservatives are the only ones standing between America and single-party, authoritarian rule, I think its safe to say that if Conservatives are overwhelmed, this nation is doomed.

I don’t say that lightly or just in passing. I research what’s going on in this nation every day, I don’t know everything of course, far from it, but I would consider myself to be pretty well informed. And that’s the reality.

Meople on October 24, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Doughboy on October 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM

I am sorry to inform you that they left a note.

Cindy Munford on October 24, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Cool

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM

A nation must think before it acts.” —Robert Strausz-Hupé

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Defund the GOP.

Or dump it altogether and form a second political party.

America deserves a second political party!

Meople on October 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Why does the GOP want to set in it’s Tombstone that it was the Stupid Party?

Galt2009 on October 24, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Also is the entire leadership team in the house from purple and blue states? Do we have any red state folks in charge of anything?

(1) Speaker of the House: John Boehner, Ohio (Purple State)
(2) Majority Leader: Eric Cantor, Virginia (Purple State)
(3) Majority Whip: Kevin McCarthy, California, (Blue State)
(4) Republican Conference Chairman: Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Washington (Blue State)
(5) Republican Policy Committee Chairman: James Lankford, Oklahoma (Red State) (BTW: a supporter of amnesty)

So basically no one from the south, one guy from the midwest and that guy is a supporter of what the leadership wants on most things. I know these folks come from “red districts” but those districts are still in states that Obama won. The majority of the leadership should come from red states in order to more look like the majority of the rank and file of the party. No wonder we have a civil war in the party!

William Eaton on October 24, 2013 at 12:08 PM

William Eaton on October 24, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Good point. But, “leadership” is such a vague term. LOL

d1carter on October 24, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Why does the GOP want to set in it’s Tombstone that it was the Stupid Party?

Galt2009 on October 24, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I think Obama, the Dimocrats and progressive Republicans, believe that Tea Party Conservatives are the single biggest threat to them and their power structure. They believe they have to destroy us in order to survive themselves. And it trumps party lines, ideology and everything else.

And I have no doubt in my mind at all, that the progressive wing of the GOP is just fine with being a small, powerless minority “party” within the larger Dimocrat Authoritarian Government. As long as Tea Party Conservatives are destroyed in the process.

Meople on October 24, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Good point. But, “leadership” is such a vague term. LOL

d1carter on October 24, 2013 at 12:11 PM

True…

:)

William Eaton on October 24, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Meople on October 24, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Sadly, I agree. But things like this still normally take decades to play out. Or not.

Fenris on October 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM

At what point as a voter do I decide there is no hope and just give up on taking part in something that will never represent me. Thinking I’m pretty close to that now

deuce on October 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Happy seeing so many here get this. : )

Bmore on October 24, 2013 at 12:22 PM

REP. JAMES LANKFORD (R-OK)

“I wouldn’t prohibit forever (people from getting citizenship). I’m a Christian, and restitution and reconciliation’s a big deal. If you do something illegal or inappropriate you should be able to resolve that, face the penalty, clear it and be forgiven.”

See: http://news.yahoo.com/house-republicans-grapple-immigration-072326619.html

So to all the so-cons out there does that mean a guy can support anything he wants to as long as he is against abortion and gay marriage? Bush got away with all sorts of progressive crap just because he mentioned “snow flake children” and all was forgiven.

The Huckabee wing of the party strikes again! The “I am a Christian so therefore I am going to release a psycho murder back on to the streets because god told me to do it! I Forgive…”

No wonder we fight like a bunch choir boys on everything…and that is why we lose!

William Eaton on October 24, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Everyone if you don’t read anything else today, please visit the headlines and read this. Or maybe I am making too much of it.

Cindy Munford on October 24, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Where’s Cruz?

Nowhere?

Shocking.

HB3 on October 24, 2013 at 12:26 PM

HB3 on October 24, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Wow, what’s the matter, he didn’t tweet you? Is he a member of the Gang of Whatever? Where Sen. Paul? Has he made a statement?

Cindy Munford on October 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Everyone if you don’t read anything else today, please visit the headlines and read this. Or maybe I am making too much of it.

Cindy Munford on October 24, 2013 at 12:25 PM

“Hopefully we’ll go into eight to 10 races and beat the snot out of them,” said former Rep. Steve LaTourette of Ohio

LOL! LaTourette never said that about Dems when he was in office.

He must of had an injection of testosterone since he left office..he is going to show us man!

William Eaton on October 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Is Boehner really this stupid? He doesn’t sound like it. Why does he act it? Does he not see the trap? As soon as it opens up the media will flood pro-Obama stories, the illegals will march, the paid operatives will call. The non-existent crisis will become over-whelming.

pat on October 24, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Jobs, jobs, jobs…the GOP is focused like a laser. Wait…

d1carter on October 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM

The slaves in all socialist/communist countries have jobs. They had jobs in Mussolini’s Italy, Hitler’s Germany, and Hirohito’s Japan. Every dictatorship provides mandatory jobs.

It is singularly freedom that must be front and center. It is freedom that the left has already stolen by destroying our culture, while the GOP frets about the economy. It is not a surprise that they two parties are but one.

Don L on October 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Clearly it is more important to Republicans to kill the Tea Party than Obamacare or Amnesty. They like amnesty. They want amnesty. If they didn’t you wouldn’t see everyone and their brother working on their own little amnesty crap sandwich for the American people. They most likely faked the “cookie” shut down just so they could try to push amnesty while the Tea Party was suffering a loss. Republicans should not expect to win elections anymore. They don’t represent enough people.

magicbeans on October 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM

I am, I am, if they mean it this time. What I would want to see in a deal is that entitlement programs (including Obamacare) are not available to immigrants until they are citizens. Aside from that, open the borders wide and let freedom ring!

MJBrutus on October 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM

I’d rather have a 20 year amnesty than a 6 year one. Regardless of how long, citizenship at some point is inevitable once they are legalized so the longer the provisional status the better. The best option of course is no legalization.

Wigglesworth on October 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Okay, that’s it… release the Cruz!

drunyan8315 on October 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

NO and NO!
NO ifs, no ands, and no buts!

Delsa on October 24, 2013 at 12:41 PM

The arm twisting by billionaires like Zuckerberg, Bloomberg, Soros and their front groups is going on as we speak. The gist of it is vote for amnesty or we will unleash millions of negative ads against you.

Wigglesworth on October 24, 2013 at 12:41 PM

This thing is like Michael Myers or Jason Voorhees. Everytime you think it’s dead, it rises up again. Why on earth do this? Obama is finally drowning due to the healthcare debacle and the GOP wants to change the subject?? They are beyond stupid.

Jack_Burton on October 24, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Amid the predictable collapse the past week of HealthCare.gov’s too-complex technology, not enough notice was given to Sen. Marco Rubio’s statement that the chances for success on immigration reform are about dead. Why? Because, said Sen. Rubio, there is “a lack of trust” in the president’s commitments.

“This notion that they’re going to get in a room and negotiate a deal with the president on immigration,” Sen. Rubio said Sunday on Fox News, “is much more difficult to do” after the shutdown negotiations of the past three weeks.

Sen. Rubio said he and other reform participants, such as Idaho’s Rep. Raul Labrador, are afraid that if they cut an immigration deal with the White House—say, offering a path to citizenship in return for strong enforcement of any new law—Mr. Obama will desert them by reneging on the enforcement.

Problem – Rubio can’t be trusted more than obama.

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Sure! We’re almost there. Let’s put the Repubics out of their misery.

RdLake on October 24, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Press ONE for FU, GOP.
Boehner needs to be drawn and quartered.

HornetSting on October 24, 2013 at 12:59 PM

RINOs are absolutely desperate for amnesty. They MUST atone for the government shutdown hijinks perpetrated by those miscreant conservatives. Subservience to the liberal overlords and media masters must be re-confirmed. Even Issa (who has how many ongoing, impotent and incomplete investigations now?) is aching for it.

rrpjr on October 24, 2013 at 12:59 PM

millions more unskilled, uneducated people unleashed upon our society and crawling through our wallets.
F Obama and all who think like him.
I think I am beginning to understand “hate”.

Delsa on October 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Obama will happily let Republicans lead on amnesty and take all the credit. For one thing, he’s the wrong color to lead on what is effectively the Caucasian Minoritization Act of 2013. And he knows it will mean conservatives will refuse to vote for Republicans ever again. The criminal invaders won’t vote for Republicans, either. You can’t offer them more free stuff than the Democrats can offer them.

Buddahpundit on October 24, 2013 at 1:06 PM

I am, I am, if they mean it this time. What I would want to see in a deal is that entitlement programs (including Obamacare) are not available to immigrants until they are citizens. Aside from that, open the borders wide and let freedom ring!

MJBrutus on October 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM

This will make non-citizens cheaper to hire than citizens.

Think about that, we already have 25+ million ciizens out of work and EVERY amnesty proposal will FAVOR non-citizens in the workplace.

Issa, and every other amnesty proponent, MUST be asked about the UNEMPLOYMENT, and OBAMACARE, ramifications of their proposals!

Freddy on October 24, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Pass amnesty and Pelosi will get the hammer in 2015, very well earned and deserved!

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Well, she’ll get the hammer, but she won’t have earned it. She’ll just be benefitting from the Stupid Party’s implosion.

And hopefully Boner will have that hammer jammed so far up his @ss beforehand that it produces some of those tears he’s so famous for.

Kensington on October 24, 2013 at 1:15 PM

The Republican leadership is caught between a base that emphatically does *not* want amnesty, and large donors who do.

Sekhmet on October 24, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Okay, my phone dropped. The Republican leadership is trying to appease both the base and the donors by appearing to be busily working towards amnesty, while taking so long to do this that amnesty just-shucky darn-doesn’t happen.

Sekhmet on October 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM

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