Who’s up for a new Republican amnesty push?

posted at 11:21 am on October 24, 2013 by Allahpundit

I understand why Obama, who’s speaking about immigration this morning, wants to push the issue. When your opponent has just finished nearly tearing itself apart over defunding ObamaCare, why not bait it with amnesty to see if it’ll tear itself apart further? What I don’t understand is why House GOP leaders would take the bait. Boehner said yesterday in response to a question that he hasn’t ruled out bringing immigration back up this year. Normally I’d dismiss that as basic pandering, to show Latino voters that this is still a priority among the caucus even if it isn’t, but other GOPers like Mario Diaz-Balart claim that a “number” of Republicans are negotiating over a series of piecemeal immigration bills — and, he says, they understand that Democratic votes will be needed to pass them, which may or may not mean that Boehner’s prepared to violate the Hastert Rule (again) to get this done. Why anyone — anyone — in the party would want to distract the public right now with a shiny object when newspapers are filled with stories about Healthcare.gov’s meltdown imperiling ObamaCare, I can’t begin to imagine. Bad enough that they’d follow through on a quixotic play like “defund,” but then to not follow through by focusing all the party’s messaging on O-Care when Obama’s desperately trying to change the subject by reviving immigration? That’s a firing offense, quite apart from the merits or lack thereof of whatever immigration bill they end up opposing.

We’ll see what Boehner does. In the meantime, Darrell Issa’s decided to introduce his own immigration bill — one that would grant illegals “temporary” legal status for six years while America figures out what permanent track to put them on. Show of hands: Who thinks Congress will muster the will to revoke that “temporary” status for those who don’t qualify for permanent status when the six-year period is up?

Issa’s forthcoming legislation takes elements from similar legislation he introduced in December 2003, the Alien Accountability Act. The six-year period is intended to whittle down the undocumented immigrant population into several categories, such as immigrants with family ties to U.S. citizens or immigrants who want to participate in a guest-worker program.

Bringing undocumented immigrants out “of the shadows” would also help the government identify undocumented immigrants with a criminal background, who would be deported from the United States, Issa said.

“If somebody has a nexus that would reasonably allow them to become permanent residents and American citizen, we should allow them to do that,” Issa said. He added: “Our view is that long before six years, people would be in those categories heading toward some other pathway, in a guest worker program, or of course, have left the country.”

Conservatives in the House have been crowing lately that they won’t go to a conference committee with the Senate for fear that the final product will look too much like the Gang of Eight’s comprehensive bill, but if the alternative is to grant fake “temporary” amnesty to illegals without absolute assurance of border-security improvements first, I don’t see what the material difference is. That reminds me of the plan to grant legal status to illegals while barring them from any citizenship track; amnesty fans have been receptive to that because they know the citizenship bar will be lifted over time. If the House GOP sincerely believes in the “piecemeal” approach to comprehensive reform, I don’t know why they’re not focused entirely on drafting border-security legislation right now. That’s the first step in piecemeal passage; if they’re already looking past that to the legalization step, then they’re obviously more concerned with voter perceptions than they are with policy.

Rich Lowry wonders: Is a new immigration push the price of having stuck with the “defund” strategy all the way to the point of a government shutdown?

1) The Republican leadership is going to feel pressure to do some sort of bi-partisan pivot in a misbegotten attempt to repair the party’s image, which at least for now is uniformly in the toilet in every poll.

2) The political judgment of the groups and members who favored the shutdown strategy and most strongly oppose amnesty is going to be highly suspect after defunding didn’t work. This will give them less influence in the immigration fight than they would have had otherwise.

3) The supporters of defunding in the House could use a few dozen members to drive the rest of the caucus. The dynamic will be different on immigration. Because Democrats all opposed any fiscal measure offered by the Republican leadership, the votes of those few dozen members were essential to passing anything. On immigration, Democrats could well support incremental immigration measures to get to a conference with the Senate, meaning a few dozen Republican votes against don’t mean anything anymore.

In other words, “defund” was the cookie they gave to tea partiers. Now they need to give a cookie to the establishment for putting them through it, and there’s no cookie tastier than amnesty. Business groups who are angry at tea partiers over the shutdown have been begging for immigration reform for years, and because reform polls well on balance, it would in theory help revive the GOP’s standing somewhat among the wider electorate. Best of all, as Lowry says, because RINOs in the House stuck with “defund” almost to the very end, they’ll be less inclined to listen to tea partiers again if/when immigration comes to the floor. I still think Boehner’s unlikely to pursue it, just because the rift it would cause between the center and the right might be irreparably deep in the near term after the shutdown debacle, but if they do it, this is why. They’ve been eager ever since November to do something to rebuild the party’s brand and now, post-shutdown, they’re more eager than ever. Since the beginning of the year, they’ve fixated on immigration as a magic bullet to achieve their goal. No surprise really that they’d turn back to it now.


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Suicide! All right by me,the GOP needs to go anyway!

redware on October 24, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Why on earth do this? Obama is finally drowning due to the healthcare debacle and the GOP wants to change the subject?? They are beyond stupid.

Jack_Burton on October 24, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Because they hate us AND it’s an easy way to raise miney. Win win for them.

njrob on October 24, 2013 at 1:29 PM

How on earth can *anyone* be the least bit surprised that the GOP leadership *wants* amnesty in the worst way?

Since the 2012 election (with the exception of Cruz’s well-intentioned/ill-fated tilt at the Obamacare windmill) GOP leaders have been all “Amnesty” all the time…

Why is the GOP not proposing legislation to reverse the historical decline of the middle class and the explosive, utterly unsustainable growth of the government-welfare-dependent class? ………. Crickets….

Why? Figure it the hell out. It. Is. Not. Rocket-Politics.

Right now in American history we the leadership of both parties, most of Congress and all of the Presidential administration working very, very hard (ostensibly) in the best interests of tens of millions of citizens of foreign nations… Instead of actually working for American citizens.

Clarity on “immigration reform” is easily achieved by understanding who actually benefits from the the legislation: Democrat-Republican leaders and their business and ethnic/racial-activist cronies. Because: “Immigration Reform” is all about power, control and money. Period.

Face it: The GOP leadership is absolutely committed and determined to moving the party in a “progressive” direction to pander to the “Latino vote” – and they are fully preparing to crush the GOP conservative base to do so.

DrDeano on October 24, 2013 at 1:46 PM

I will never vote for any GOP politician who supports or helps pass ANMESTY in any form or to any degree.

The rule of law must be preserved.

We have states like California passing laws requiring employers and law enforcement personnel to DEFY FEDERAL LAW by not reporting illegal aliens to federal authorities and refusing to turn illegal aliens in custody over to federal authorities. They have passed legislation allowing illegal aliens to practice law in California. They have passed legislation issuing Driver’s Licenses to illegal aliens in California. What, then, is the benefit of citizenship in California?

We have cities and other states also engaged in the ‘sanctuary’ mentality harboring those who have shattered our laws in order to prey upon the communities, citizens and families of this nation.

We have states and cities openly defying federal drug laws.

The president of the United States ignores the law regularly, legislates from his desk while bypassing congress, a clear violation of the separation of powers clause of the constitution, and brags about doing it.

We have 11-30 million foreign nationals at large in the United States, who have willfully shattered federal immigration law, having either entered this nation illegally, or having willfully refused to exit the nation when their visa expired. A standing army of foreign nationals demanding that this nation negate it’s borders, make exception to the law for them and grant them preferential treatment under the law.

This is lawlessness. It tramples the rule of law.

I will not vote for any GOP politician who helps to degrade the rule of law and assists illegal aliens in their continuing predation upon the citizens and legal immigrants of this nation.

thatsafactjack on October 24, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Anyone who thinks granting amnesty to illegals is going to build the GOP’s image with anyone outside the DC bubble is nothing but a BIG FOOL.

Why, oh God, why is the GOP saddled with incompetent fools (at best) or Democrat infiltrators (at worst) as party leadership? Why are they so desperate to pass Obama’s agenda?

TheRightMan on October 24, 2013 at 1:51 PM

When a Republican leader makes an offhand remark like this – “not ruling out” bringing up immigration – it is taken as if he swore to pass it come hell or high water.

But if a leader says something of which conservatives should approve, he is accused of pandering or covering himself politically.

Here is the fact about Boehner. According to the ACU (sponsors and creators of CPAC, which raises money for them), over the first decade of this millenium 2001-11 inclusive Boehner had the 8th most conservative voting record in the House (Speakers typically only vote to break ties). That means he is among the 5% most conservative members of the Republican caucus.

If that’s not conservative enough for you, you really need to leave and start a new fringe party. Godspeed!

Adjoran on October 24, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Adjoran on October 24, 2013 at 2:01 PM

You’re funny.

rrpjr on October 24, 2013 at 2:07 PM

How are we supposed to get this country back on track when we can’t get the GOP to pull its head out of its hindquarters??? SMARTEN UP for pete’s sake! All you’ve got to do right now, Republicans, is stand aside and let Democrats lie in the bed they made with Obamacare. Go get a friggin’ coffee and stop looking for new ways to split the damned party. Sheesh!

Murf76 on October 24, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Freddy on October 24, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Yes but then we can stop talking about all this icky stuff and that’s the important part.

Cindy Munford on October 24, 2013 at 2:14 PM

The faster the GOP implodes, the better off the country will be.

Panther on October 24, 2013 at 2:16 PM

If that’s not conservative enough for you, you really need to leave and start a new fringe party. Godspeed!

Adjoran on October 24, 2013 at 2:01 PM

You really need to begin to think.

1 obama’care’ + 1 amnesty = negates all other votes.

Duhhhhhh, wake up!!!

Schadenfreude on October 24, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Incumbents could care less about alienating their base. Their reelection rate is 95%+.

Imagine a sports team with a perennial .950 winning percentage. From whom would its players take advice? No one but their coaches. From whom would its coaches take advice? No one.

What almost all of them care about exclusively is getting reelected, which means doing what they’re told by their leadership. That’s why the leaders must be primaried hard.

Akzed on October 24, 2013 at 2:43 PM

When a Republican leader makes an offhand remark like this – “not ruling out” bringing up immigration – it is taken as if he swore to pass it come hell or high water.

Adjoran on October 24, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Context? Remember the “Gang of 8″ comprised of Democrats and .. what? Republicans? They were trying to cram what exactly down our throats? Amnesty…

Any rational person knows that Boehner wants amnesty. Has he stated otherwise? No. Will he? No. Why?

Boehner’s statement was made in a political context. Pretending to ignore that in order to build a lame straw man argument is laughably inept.

DrDeano on October 24, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Why anyone — anyone — in the party would want to distract the public right now with a shiny object when newspapers are filled with stories about Healthcare.gov’s meltdown imperiling ObamaCare, I can’t begin to imagine.

Boehner never supported defunding Obamacare. When they set the meetings up with Obama, he sent in Ryan with no mention on Obamacare, only about the economy and entitlements, and the meetings ended on the same note

Amnesty has been a plan in the making and the date of October, 2013 was publicized long before Cruz launched on Obamacare.

I believe the shutdown crisis was dragged out intentionally.

The same people were well aware of the rollout date for Obamacare when they scheduled their Amnesty push

They aren’t stupid. They are conniving

They have worked on Amnesty so long, they even worked to plant bogus tea party candidates to diminish tea party strength.

Obama cooperated. Every single ‘outrage’ like the WWII vets, the Amnesty rally, the Normandy closing were targeted to Tea Party

Ever wonder why the Amnesty pols let the Tea Party get all the coverage even with the WWII vets?

IMHO, Obamacare software was designed to fail. THe million last minute changes weren’t needed for a system that in the debut simply took in ID info, and slung back a quote. Especially since the quote was rigged to give the same quote, regardless of age.

The MSM is playing two songs:
Obamacare Meltdown Blather
Why the Tea Party Almost Destroyed America

The big boys or their proxies are in DC right now, in anticipation of Amnesty

Not saying they will win, but this was their make or break month. Timing is everything. Their wonks believe if they get amnesty now, they can recover enough they can afford to lose tea party in the next election

entagor on October 24, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Why anyone — anyone — in the party would want to distract the public right now with a shiny object when newspapers are filled with stories about Healthcare.gov’s meltdown imperiling ObamaCare, I can’t begin to imagine.

Stupidity?

chewmeister on October 24, 2013 at 3:13 PM

The faster the GOP implodes, the better off the country will be.

Panther on October 24, 2013 at 2:16 PM

I agree.

rrpjr on October 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM

have the republicans not learned anything from the dems?!?! sheesh, give it 2 months and no one will remember the shutdown, especially the low-info voters.

stop trying to make amends for something that no one remembers! sheesh!!!

jetch on October 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Thanks you, Senator Sessions for the following statement:

The President said he has not heard any good reason to oppose the Senate bill. Clearly, he has not listened to the ICE and USCIS officers warning that the bill would permanently undermine enforcement. Here are three more reasons: the Senate bill will lower wages, increase unemployment, and reduce per-capita GNP. All of these statements are confirmed by the Congressional Budget Office. Under current law, we will provide approximately 10 million grants of permanent residency (green cards) over the next decade. Under the Senate bill, that number will triple to more than 30 million. Further, the Senate bill would double the number of guest workers at a time when a record 90 million Americans are outside the work force. We need to get Americans off of unemployment, off of welfare, and back into the labor force — but the ‘reforms’ proposed by the Senate would put even more Americans out of work.

Many of the same CEOs demanding that Congress increase guest workers are laying off thousands of American workers. This is a defining moment for the House Republicans. They must decide who they represent: certain activist CEOs lobbying Congress, or the national interest and the millions of Americans struggling to get by in this low job, low wage economy.

onlineanalyst on October 24, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Not only, thanks you, but thank you. Duh!

onlineanalyst on October 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Whoever votes to disregard the constitution and the rule of law should be tried for treason and hung from a gallows.

TX-96 on October 24, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Boehner had the 8th most conservative voting record in the House (Speakers typically only vote to break ties). That means he is among the 5% most conservative members of the Republican caucus.

If that’s not conservative enough for you, you really need to leave and start a new fringe party. Godspeed!

Adjora

I guess you think being the tallest midget equals tall too, lol.

xblade on October 24, 2013 at 6:14 PM

#defundthegopLEADERSHIP

……until we can take it over, and remake it.

PappyD61 on October 24, 2013 at 6:17 PM

The coast to coast reservation run by the made members of the two party evil chiefs will not be that much differnet from the existing reservations run by the chiefs selected by the two party evil money cult who doles out the dole for the native american reservations.

They now import new wage slaves to hand Tax Payer ID’s to so that these new wage slaves can cut the existing pay and add them to the collateral they use to get the ones in China to buy the soon to be $20 Trillion of debt. They lust for this to keep them from the gallows for their guilt in running up the $100 Trillion in never funded ponzi Soc. Sec., food stamps, unemployement, goverment retirment funds, medi care and this new last “con” in America,
ObamaDon’tCare let alone give a sh$$.

Only question left unanswered is what will the people do, roll over, turn on one another, or fight this evil cult like real Americans.

Tea any one?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 24, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Ms Apache is on the TV watching Gurta on Fox, she has a lady on from “The Hill” who says a independent Bloomberg study just out today says that the Obama Web site cost is close to

$ 1 Billion and still going up.

No bid contrat to a liberal loon company.

at least 1/2 or more is being kicked back to Democrats to run on in 2014.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 24, 2013 at 8:01 PM

US Companies hire illegals for cheap labor.
The government turns a blind eye.
Illegals apply for ITNs and benefits.
The government turns a blind eye.
Illegals use fake SSNs and steal the identities
of actual citizens.
The government turns a blind eye.
Gang members flood our streets.
The government turns a blind eye.

Our immigration laws are fine, it’s the government that is broken.

shorebird on October 24, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Darrell Issa’s decided to introduce his own immigration bill — one that would grant illegals “temporary” legal status for six years while America figures out what permanent track to put them on.

That’s just silly.

Everyone knows you only need 5 years, three months and 21 days to figure out how to fix it.

fogw on October 24, 2013 at 11:27 AM

It’s silly functionally because everyone except a few village idiots and Evil Pied Pipers know that once granted, it’ll never be rescinded (after six years or any other time) and it’ll only grow to make rationalizing more amnesty for more people later and again later and then again…

It’s only NOT silly on an election-cycle-political-season basis, which is certainly what Issa is trying to service here. Though I well recognize his efforts to win the upcoming elections for House/Senate and WH, which is what this is about (and why I say it’s not silly politically).

We must stop as a country treating illegal aliens as some sort of newfound Chia Pets. They’re being exploited — as they exploit us — with the full sway of Leftwing/RINO snake oil sales pitches.

Come to the US properly, legally, rightfully, or go home. We must enforce our laws and stay firm in requiring only qualified people who follow the requests for admission and residency are admitted and allowed to remain here.

Lourdes on October 24, 2013 at 10:20 PM

I’m finding, in the last few days, more Leftwing and RINO messaging about how they’re figuring “Reagan’s amnesty” was troubled and “how to fix it so it doesn’t happen again” and by “it” they mean troubles such as beset Reagan, and NOT that amnesty was the problem.

It was agreed to, Reagan’s amnesty, based upon the vows and promises that it was the last, would never happen again, that was that, over, never to reappear or reapproached as possibility.

That point has to (also) be driven home. Instead, the Left/RINO story today is “it didn’t work because of ______ so THIS TIME we’ll prevent _______ from happening and amnesty will work!”

They’re omitting entirely the vows/promises, inherent to the Reagan amnesty that it was the final one, last to ever happen forevermore.

Lourdes on October 24, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Who’s up for a new GOP party..?

d1carter on October 24, 2013 at 11:28 AM

I don’t like it but I do have a few names to hold responsible for “a new GOP party” such as is emerging among…Leftwingers.

There are a lot of wealthy people, and very needy, demanding illegal aliens, who have personalities like Bloomberg: they’ll go with whoever services them, no party or national loyalty. As to national loyalty, that seems to be won by Mexico because it’s citizens are simply spreading it’s national boundaries up to Montana and across to North Carolina if not Maine.

The patriotism as to the USA, and the people who maintain it, are today loathed and despised by “RINOs” and certainly their peers in the Left. They’ve made the national party profiles, both of them, about denigrating and urging the marginalization (if not destruction) of “patriotism” on the false basis that it’s “craziness” or even “terrorism”.

Think about that. Today’s political climate and goals are being pushed on an anti-American basis and we have a wealthy class of people who have no loyalty to the country except that they find the challenge of making it into something else enjoyable and worth spending some of their wealth on.

Lourdes on October 24, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Boehner really needs to grab the caucus by the shorthairs and get these people in line.

We can’t have independent gangs or groups negotiating without involvement of leadership. That’s a recipe for failure.

For the party to survive, it needs to speak with one voice reading from the same page. It needs to be based on a shared goal, not some individuals or “gangs” ruminations.

Marcus Traianus on October 24, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Yes, well said.

Lourdes on October 24, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Adjoran on October 24, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Yeah, and Nancy Pelosi says she’s “an ardent catholic” and Joe Biden and wife think they are, too. His wife laughs with a feminazi audience at public speeches and demonstrates her husband’s “size” complete with hand motions indicating her, uh, point.

Yes, you can say these are conservatives, catholics (“ardent!”) but it doesn’t mean they are.

Lourdes on October 24, 2013 at 10:34 PM

…The big boys or their proxies are in DC right now, in anticipation of Amnesty

Not saying they will win, but this was their make or break month. Timing is everything. Their wonks believe if they get amnesty now, they can recover enough they can afford to lose tea party in the next election

entagor on October 24, 2013 at 3:10 PM

This is dark and dank news:


Moneyed Republicans Try to Neutralize Tea Party Ahead of 2014

…groups calling themselves “Conservative Victory Party” and “Defending Mainstreet”…as if they were either.

THIS offends, upsets me the most; very, very disappointed to read that Romney’s associated with this guy, Singer, who is associated with George Soros.

Romney’s Top Donor Teams with Soros Front Group on Immigration Reform

Read the details, Singer and Soros have these groups called “National Immigration Forum (NIF)” with it’s “Evangelical Immigration Table (EIT)”

Now it’s “evangelical” to demand amnesty for illegal aliens and to force “‘gay’ marriage” on the nation, not to mention the rest of what Soros funds among the Bad. Singer’s looking like a real loser. Why these losers always show up with massive billions, I don’t know.

Lourdes on October 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM

THe GOP is worried about Hispanic Votes? They’d better start worrying about GOP votes because this certainly isn’t going to get them many. Boehner needs to, for once in his short career, become a leader. Get a serious bill together that actually accomplishes something. You really don’t have to close the border, you have to make hiring illegals almost impossible and then make it easier for them to apply for green cards. Most of the people crossing the border are looking for work. The problem is they’re being employed by people who are just looking for cheap labor, at the expense of American workers. Not all illegal immigrants are doing work Americans don’t want to do.

If the GOP tries to pass a Democrat lite bill, I would anticipate there will be few of them rewarded with re-election. Hispanics aren’t going to vote for them because they proposed legislation that wasn’t as good as the Democrats, in their eyes, and Republican voters won’t reward them for doing the wrong thing. It’s time for Boehner to lead and, if he can’t get a new Speaker of the House, one who’s worthy of the title.

bflat879 on October 24, 2013 at 11:02 PM

Excellent response to Issa’s forthcoming legislation in Frontpage

It’s not amnesty. It’s just a bill that legalizes illegal aliens and puts them on a path to citizenship. No amnesty to see here.

What exactly is Issa’s view based on?
Why are these people leaving the country? Why are they choosing a guest worker program instead of sticking it out for six years followed by sixty years of food stamps, Medicaid and Medicare?

Not just food stamps, Medicaid, and Medicare up the road. These people will get preferential hiring as non citizens day one, because they save employers about 5000 dollars a pop in Obamacare penalties.

And until they get a Medicaid card, they will still get free medical care at out emergency rooms, paid for on other people’s obamacare premiums

Walmart lobbied for obamacare, rumor being it would weaken their retail competitors. Walmart is also lobbying with US Chamber of Commerce for Amnesty. They ace out if Issa’s bill passes

No more being busted for hiring illegal cleaning crews. And no Obamcare on the new employees

Issa’s bill, of course, is Rubio’s plan, right down to the ‘coming out of the shadows’ line

The new scheme is to submit the main parts of the Senate plan to the Senate, and it will come out as the Senate plan.

Remember, For Some Reason, Boehner only postponed the ‘default crisis’. The new ‘default crisis’ will happen right about the time all the Amnesty ‘pieces’ land in the Senate, and Boehner will be forced, forced to accept Amnesty

Big boys = big money

Check the chart of Boehner’s money “Total Raised vs. Average Raised ” He goes off the chart 2012

entagor on October 25, 2013 at 9:12 AM

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