Dem Sen. Kay Hagan, up for reelection: How about we extend ObamaCare’s enrollment period for awhile?

posted at 4:41 pm on October 24, 2013 by Allahpundit

Like Joe Manchin, she hails from a red state. Which is why, like Joe Manchin, she’s not waiting to see how the “tech surge” turns out before making her way towards the lifeboats. And yet, as has been said ad nauseam the past two days, delaying any one part of the law not only won’t help solve its problems, it could make them drastically worse. I go back and forth between thinking that Democrats like Hagan understand that, and are simply grasping at straws like delaying the mandate or extending the enrollment period because they’re panicked and it gives them a chance to stall, and thinking that maybe they don’t understand that and they’re prepared to steer this ship unwittingly into an even bigger iceberg. ObamaCare is like a game of Jenga that’s 40 stories high, and now the red-state Democrats who built it have decided to impress their constituents by pulling big pieces from the bottom. Note to self: Take cover.

[T]he Affordable Care Act’s insurance market reforms have created a system prone to what Charles Perrow dubbed “Normal Accidents.” By “normal,” he didn’t mean “minor” — the lead exhibit was Three Mile Island. Rather, he meant something like “hard to avoid.” The system is both complex and tightly coupled: All the pieces are interdependent, so a failure in one part is apt to cascade throughout the market. This is not a system where you want to start pulling out one piece to see how well the rest can get along without it.

The administration clearly understood this — right up to the point where a major component failed. Now it’s apparently planning to keep the reactor running with as many pieces as possible in the hopes that none of it will unexpectedly blow up. This is not sound policy thinking, or even sound political thinking, and I think that all of us who care about keeping insurance available for ordinary Americans should try to talk them out of it — for their good, as well as our own.

See yesterday’s post if you’re unclear on why delaying the enrollment period is apt to push us further towards an industry death spiral. But wait — what about those “risk corridor” provisions that are built into the law to prevent insurers from suffering a death spiral caused by too many sick people coming onto the rolls without enough healthies? Won’t they limit the damage? Not really, says Peter Suderman, because those corridors aren’t designed for an industry-wide failure:

Now, it’s true, as The Incidental Economist’s Adrianna McIntrye points out, that there are risk adjustment mechanisms built into the law designed to protect insurers who end up with too many sick individuals. But as a Health Affairs brief on the law’s risk adjustment provisions makes clear, those provisions are designed to make sure that no one plan gets stuck with too many sick individuals. Plans with fewer sick people pay into a fund that creates a backstop for plans with a greater than expected share of sick policyholders. That helps mitigate individual plan risk. But it doesn’t really solve the problem if the entire pool, across most all of the insurance plans, is smaller and sicker than expected. A death spiral that shifts some premium income around is still a death spiral.

The larger worry is that we may be on track for an insurance market meltdown no matter what happens with the individual mandate.

If only Lehman Brothers had melted down five years ago, maybe you could have gotten the rest of the financial industry to absorb their losses. But when everyone’s melting down, who bears the cost? If you’re familiar with TARP, you know the answer.

Here’s video of Hagan, who said this afternoon that she’d like to see the enrollment period extended by two months, specifically. Is there any policy reason for that, or did she just pick a number that sounds kinda sorta reasonable? By the way, while we’re absorbed with the daily minutiae of Healthcare.gov’s collapse, thousands upon thousands of people are being dumped from their current insurance and onto the malfunctioning ObamaCare exchanges thanks to the law’s rules about non-grandfathered plans. Just today, per Philip Klein, the CareFirst provider in Maryland, Virginia, and D.C. confirmed that they had to drop 76,000 customers because their current plans don’t fit O-Care’s specifications. All of those people are now dependent upon the 40-story Jenga tower remaining upright, as are millions upon millions of others who’ve already been dropped or soon will be. How lucky do you feel?

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Delay enrollment into the largest wealth redistribution scheme in the history of the planet?

Murphy9 on October 24, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Who’s running against Hagan in NC? I’d like to offer my early congratulations to whomever wins the GOP Primary on their election to the US Senate.

Doughboy on October 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

The law is the law, lady.

You had a chance a couple of weeks ago to actually CHANGE THINGS but you batted that away playing partisan politics and putting Party over Nation.

You didn’t want it when it was offered to you.

Ted Cruz was offering you a way out.

You said ‘Hell No!’

Now you can live with that decision.

ajacksonian on October 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Who’s presenting the Free-Market plan to fill the void?

AeroSpear on October 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

rats…..ships…..

d1carter on October 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Vote against anybody who is identified with Obama and his party.

HiJack on October 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Last week the people who wanted to delay Obamacare were called legislative arsonists and terrorists who were holding the country hostage. This week they’re called Democrats.

txhsmom on October 23, 2013 at 7:19 PM

txhsmom on October 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Obama needs to be arrested and thrown in jail…

PatriotRider on October 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

I just can’t believe these stupid people get elected and get a license to steal from me and mine.

HomeoftheBrave on October 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

I wish I still had the link to the Conservatives in the House’s free market alternative…
But, it involved repealing ObamaCare so that wouldn’t work, right?

d1carter on October 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

How is that ACA looking now you Democrat voting fools???…

PatriotRider on October 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Ted Cruz must be driving them crazier than they already are.

DanMan on October 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Is she a domestic terrorist, jihadist or Taliban..?

d1carter on October 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

I’m going to rub my liberal family members nose in this sh!t until they scream bloody murder!!!…

PatriotRider on October 24, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Obamacare is the law of the land and the schedule must be adhered to. Democrats who want to delay it are terrorists, traitors, and anarchists who only hate the President because he is black half-black.

Hayabusa on October 24, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Ugh. She’s one of my “Senators”. Burr is only slightly better in that he has an “R” after his name. But then, that’s not saying much anymore.

SteveInRTP on October 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig….
/Obama

ted c on October 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

This law now looks like it could literally crash the US healthcare industry and with it 1/5th of US economy…nice job Democrats!!!…

PatriotRider on October 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM


Last week the people who wanted to delay Obamacare were called legislative arsonists and terrorists who were holding the country hostage. This week they’re called Democrats.

txhsmom on October 23, 2013 at 7:19 PM

This is destined to become a hallmark classic. Can we please have it placed PERMANENTLY on the front page? Please?

HomeoftheBrave on October 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

It’s. The. Law.
/err sumthing.

ted c on October 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

How is that ACA looking now you Democrat voting fools???…

PatriotRider on October 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Ya – I wonder how many realize that this is just about trying to get the coverage/insurance – trying to get actual “healthcare” will be just as bad or worse.
But I’m guessing they have no clue….

dentarthurdent on October 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

How many more people have to die before they get enrolled in this crap sandwich benevolent and kind program.

ted c on October 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

It’s just a website, the product is good….

d1carter on October 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig….
/Obama

ted c on October 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Ya but then its a reeeeeal purty pig. /A. Weiner

dentarthurdent on October 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Just think of all those skittles and rainbows just on the other side of that website…

d1carter on October 24, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Most expensive liberal boondoggle evah….shortest lifespan evah…

it’s DOA

ted c on October 24, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Obama needs to be arrested and thrown in jail vigorously interrogated at Gitmo…

PatriotRider on October 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

FIFY.

TXUS on October 24, 2013 at 4:58 PM

These leftist trolls had their chance to vote for delay pre shut down. They can fluke off. VOTE THEM OUT!

jawkneemusic on October 24, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Ugh. She’s one of my “Senators”. Burr is only slightly better in that he has an “R” after his name. But then, that’s not saying much anymore.

SteveInRTP on October 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Agreed. Hagan needs to be run out of the state. If Burr doesn’t retire, he should be primaried.

Turtle317 on October 24, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Sorry sweetie.

You broke it, you own it.

HumpBot Salvation on October 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

As a negotiating point for the upcoming govt. funding and debt ceiling debates, the Republicans should oppose any delays in implementing Obamacare.

Obama in 2014 :

“Either delay Obamacare or I’m going to send my park ranger goons to haress veterans at the memorials.”

Heh heh.

MichaelGabriel on October 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Quick GOP, get started on passing amnesty!!

Jack_Burton on October 24, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Is gross incompetence considered a high crime or misdemeanor, per chance?

dpduq on October 24, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Last week the people who wanted to delay Obamacare were called legislative arsonists and terrorists who were holding the country hostage. This week they’re called Democrats.

txhsmom on October 23, 2013 at 7:19 PM

This is destined to become a hallmark classic. Can we please have it placed PERMANENTLY on the front page? Please?

HomeoftheBrave on October 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Yeah, who are these terrorists trying to sabotage the system and steal people’s “rights”?

hisfrogness on October 24, 2013 at 5:08 PM

The entire democrat congress is waking up to the fact Obama and his crew LIED to them.There’s not a thing they can do about it but try to save their hides.Sometimes life is extremely good.

docflash on October 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

There are 3 Rs vying for Hagan’s seat. None are horrible. One is the current speaker of the state house, one is a socon/tea-partier, one is a straight tea-partier. I fear the two grassroots guys will split the conservative vote. We’ll get the speaker who will shortly turn RINO. They always do.

kpguru on October 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Rats. Flawless.

Bmore on October 24, 2013 at 5:10 PM

The entire democrat congress is waking up to the fact Obama and his crew LIED to them.There’s not a thing they can do about it but try to save their hides.Sometimes life is extremely good.

docflash on October 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

I beg to differ – they were willing participants in the conspiracy.

dentarthurdent on October 24, 2013 at 5:11 PM

thousands upon thousands of people are being dumped from their current insurance and onto the malfunctioning ObamaCare exchanges thanks to the law’s rules about non-grandfathered plans.

criminal.

ted c on October 24, 2013 at 5:11 PM

The only reason they are buying time is their excuse bag needs replenishing.

hillsoftx on October 24, 2013 at 5:13 PM

And Sen. Mark Pryor’s (D-AR) sudden decision to delay the mandate wouldn’t have a thing to do with Rep. Tom Cotton (R-AR) taking his lunch money in the polls, either.

Hilarious. Say, didn’t this whole “shutdown” thing have something to do with delayed mandates? And whose fault was that shutdown again?

M240H on October 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

I, honestly, thought that the Democrats were smart enough to see the looming disaster and snap up the GOP offer of a one year delay of the individual mandate for a year in a blur.

I thought that they’d most assuredly see the one year delay as a gift, allowing them time to fix the issues with their Gargantuan, and use the political capital to pivot to AMNESTY immediately, striking while they were on a roll.

I was wrong. Apparently, the Democrat party has adopted Existential Nihilism as an official ideology.

What is Existential Nihilism?

Existential Nihilism embraces the notion that the world lacks meaning or purpose. All existence itself — actions, suffering, feelings — is senseless, nothingness.

The existential nihilist regards all thoughts and feelings as merely the effects of prior causes. In other words, free will is denied. Neither heredity nor environment is attributed to the nihilist’s futile existence.

The philosopher and poet, Empedocles (of Acagras in Sicily, c. 492-432 BC), reveals this skepticism in that “the life of mortals is so mean a thing as to be virtually un-life.” This embodies the same kind of extreme pessimism associated with existential nihilism.

Other philosophers such as Hegesis (c. 250 BC) believed misery’s domination over pleasure made happiness impossible, leaving suicide as the only recourse.

Existential Nihilism chooses to abandon any foundation for an essential self or human nature. The nihilist is then left with anguish as their “nothingness,” plunges them into isolated, unresponsive universe. Centuries later, Jean-Paul Sarte (1905-1980) popularized the atheistic existentialist nihilist movement in France as “existence precedes essence.”

thatsafactjack on October 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

The part that pisses me off worst is they are taking us down with them. Bastards! Are you ready for Utopia?

KCB on October 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

The part that pisses me off worst is they are taking us down with them. Bastards! Are you ready for Utopia?

KCB on October 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Little salt for your wound, they are doing it with our money.

rob verdi on October 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Being a mastermind is reary reary hard :(
Honestly I thought they’d of just sent out the memo by now to the praetorian pressturds:
“Uhm… okay from now on call it Bushcare. It’s completely their disaster. We’re running on it in 2016.” The showusomethingshiny party would be rabid over this in a couple of years.

onomo on October 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Why does she care? She is exempt from Obamacare as long as she remains in Congress.

Christien on October 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM

thatsafactjack on October 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Me too! I told B9 I thought the whole thing was a trap. They could have gotten a much needed delay, and ) could spend that year, right up to the midterms, demagoging the crap out of the Rs, especially the Tea Party. That was a bad mistake, knowing the system was crap.

KCB on October 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM

KCB on October 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Hello. :)

Indeed, it makes it clear that this resistance to a ‘get off the hook free’ card came directly from the top. That immense hubris of which Obama is possessed has caused this political miscalculation. His ego demanded that no one should interfere with the roll out of his ‘signature achievement’. He had a lot of help in the personalities of Reid and Pelosi, too.

This was a political mistake the size of Obamacare itself. I’ll give them this: they don’t do anything by halves.

thatsafactjack on October 24, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Who’s running against Hagan in NC? I’d like to offer my early congratulations to whomever wins the GOP Primary on their election to the US Senate.

Doughboy on October 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

According to this Sept 23, 2013 article in the Charlotte Observer, there are at least 4 Republican candidates who are running against Senator Kay Hagan (D)

The Senate president pro tem’s bypass avoids a showdown with House Speaker Thom Tillis, the highest-ranking Republican in the current four-way race. The two GOP leaders appeared to be jockeying for an edge in the recently finished legislative session, and the possibility that they would face off in a GOP primary threatened to color most state policy decisions.

Two other candidates – Greg Brannon of Cary and Heather Grant of Wilkesboro – also seek their party’s nomination. The Rev. Mark Harris, a Charlotte pastor and president of the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina, is expected to make his candidacy official Oct. 2.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/09/23/4336785/senate-leader-phil-berger-wont.html

If you live in North Carolina, please let us all know what you think of these 4 candidates and if you are aware of any other candidates who may also be running to replace Kay Hagan in the U.S. Senate.

wren on October 24, 2013 at 5:27 PM

thatsafactjack on October 24, 2013 at 5:22 PM

No doubt. The hubris is strong in the zero.

KCB on October 24, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Speaking of DemTards:

More Democrats voice Obamacare concerns as website blame goes around

By David Morgan and Mark Felsenthal
WASHINGTON | Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:22pm EDT
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(Reuters) – The contractors for the government’s troubled healthcare website sought to deflect blame on Wednesday as more Democrats voiced concerns about the implementation of President Barack Obama’s signature domestic policy.

Administration officials, in damage-control mode for nearly a week, held a closed-door briefing for Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives and a private session with insurance company executives, who said they would assist in efforts to fix the Healthcare.gov website.

Websites are the primary vehicle for consumers to shop for insurance through exchanges set up under the healthcare program.

With the rocky launch of the “Obamacare” insurance exchanges entering its fourth week, additional Democrats came forward, some urging the president to extend the open-enrollment period for buying health insurance through the program beyond the existing March 31 deadline.

One Democrat, Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia, said he would join a Republican effort to delay the so-called “individual mandate,” that requires people to buy insurance or face a tax penalty.

Manchin, in a Fox News interview on the “The O’Reilly Factor,” called for a transition year with no fines. “Let’s work through the problems. We’ve got a lot of problems, they have been identified. I think everybody has recognized them. Let’s fix it. Let’s get together and fix things,” he said.

White House officials said on Wednesday that enrollment requirements were being changed so that consumers could sign up for health insurance right up to the March 31 deadline and avoid penalties. Some people previously needed to be signed around February 15 to meet the end of March deadline.

A White House official said that pushing back the sign-up requirement was not related to glitches with Healthcare.gov, but was simply an effort to eliminate confusion over the two deadlines.

The comments from the handful of Democrats posed a new potential hazard for the White House and gave Republicans a chance to portray their efforts to derail the healthcare program as bipartisan.

Democratic Senator Mark Pryor of Arkansas, who faces a tough re-election race next year, said he agreed with fellow Democrat Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire that the open enrollment period to sign up for insurance should be extended beyond March 31, 2014.

Representative James Clyburn of South Carolina, the third-ranking House Democrat, criticized the website for forcing consumers to provide private information before deciding what kind of health insurance plan they want to buy.

“I’ve talked to too many people who tell me before they ever get around to figuring out what it is they want to buy, they’re having to answer questions that they don’t feel they should be answering,” Clyburn said.

CONTRACTOR TESTIMONY

Republicans said they would intensify their investigations into the launch of the 2010 Affordable Care Act, known as “Obamacare.”

“It is our job to hold them accountable, and when it comes to Obamacare clearly there is a lot to hold accountable,” House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner told reporters.

The Republican-led House Energy and Commerce Committee on Thursday will hear from the top contractors responsible for the program. They included website developer CGI Federal, a unit of Canada’s CGI Group Inc, which said in prepared testimony that the software from another contractor designed to allow users to create an account led to early bottlenecks.

But the other contractor, United Health Group unit Quality Software Services Inc (QSSI), said in prepared testimony that some of its problems stemmed from a late decision by the administration to require consumers to register for an account before browsing for insurance products.

“This may have driven higher simultaneous usage of the registration system that wouldn’t have occurred if consumers could ‘window shop’ anonymously,” said QSSI.

The company’s software is now keeping pace with demand. Andrew Slavitt, executive vice president with QSSI’s parent, said the software has had “error rates close to zero” since October 8.

Obama administration officials, including U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, met with the chief executives of 14 leading insurance companies, including Aetna Inc, WellPoint Inc and Humana Inc.

The executives agreed to form new technical teams with the administration to help fix the website, which provide online access to the marketplaces designed to be the main way for millions of uninsured Americans to research and buy health insurance plans under the law.

“We had a candid discussion on the challenges facing the exchange, and the plan that is being put in place to get the program on track,” Aetna Inc spokeswoman Cynthia Michener said.

The October 1 debut of the exchanges was marred by technical glitches that have kept many from signing on and making purchases. Those unable to sign up online can call a toll-free telephone number as an alternative.

The administration has so far declined to disclose the number of enrollments, either online or by telephone.

‘WORKING HARD TO FIX THE PROBLEMS’

A prolonged delay in getting Healthcare.gov to work could jeopardize White House efforts to sign up as many as 7 million people in 2014, the first full year the law takes effect. The administration this week began what it called a “tech surge,” bringing in experts led by the administration’s top economic aide Jeffrey Zients to analyze and fix the problems.

“I think what we learned is they’re working hard to fix the problems,” Representative Sander Levin of Michigan, senior Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee, said after Wednesday’s briefing.

The U.S. Health and Human Services Department will begin regular news briefings on Thursday to provide updates on “the progress that’s being made and on the efforts that are being undertaken, both to address the technical problems and to make the whole experience for American consumers better,” White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

House Democrats said there was no discussion in the briefing about whether the problems should lead to a delay of the individual requirement that every American have insurance or pay a tax penalty. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated a delay would reduce enrollment significantly.

REPUBLICANS DEMAND DELAY

Republicans, who have fought the healthcare law as an unwarranted extension of the federal government, said the requirement should be delayed until the problems with the rollout are resolved.

“With so many unanswered questions and the problems arising around this rollout, it doesn’t make any sense to impose this one percent mandate tax on the American people,” House Majority Leader Eric Cantor told reporters on Wednesday.

Republicans have repeatedly tried to derail or delay the healthcare law since taking control of the House in the 2010 elections. They demanded more answers on Wednesday about the scope of the problems.

Three committees in the Republican-controlled House have announced investigations of the law’s rollout, which Cantor described as “nothing short of a debacle.”
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/24/us-usa-healthcare-idUSBRE99M0VD20131024?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=992637

canopfor on October 24, 2013 at 12:07 AM

canopfor on October 24, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Hopefully Hagan will be b1tch-slapped hard in the coming election.

Jaibones on October 24, 2013 at 5:30 PM

this is where we’re at. Death spiral.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/10/24/this-is-what-a-health-insurance-death-sp

we have always know that barry’s design was to collapse the various systems. Now we have an interesting situation. There will be a lot of pressure to give money to the insurance companies to keep them afloat. Bail them out so to speak. After all we must rescue this industry from utter collapse..right? So, pay up, chumps…else we’ll just have to do it the whole single payer way. It’d be a lot simpler…chumps

meanwhile, in the backbenches of the Senate, Hatch and McCain are still at war with the ‘tea party’…get that wacko Lee and Cruz and Paul out of here

r keller on October 24, 2013 at 5:30 PM

The thermometer is going lower, more than it went higher before
Time there was warmth and plenty, but that cup soon runneth no more
Though we could not caution all, we still tried to warn a few
Dont lend your hand to raise no flag atop no Ship of Obama Fools

Ship of Obama Fools on a delusional sea
Ship of Obama Fools sail away from we.
It was later than we thought, when we still might have had some hope as you
Now we can no longer share your delusions, Ship of Obama Fools

VorDaj on October 24, 2013 at 5:33 PM

All these dem Senators can go piss up a rope….

I am sure McLame and Gramnesty are there rolling out the blue carpet for them….

redguy on October 24, 2013 at 5:37 PM

The entire democrat congress is waking up to the fact Obama and his crew LIED to them.There’s not a thing they can do about it but try to save their hides.Sometimes life is extremely good.

docflash on October 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Obama lied to everyone. Only the democrats were stupid enough to believe the lying SCOAMF.

redguy on October 24, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Funny thing is..they want it delayed just long enough to stay in office…

You don’t suppose once that happens they’ll start turning the screws again???

BigWyo on October 24, 2013 at 6:01 PM

ajacksonian on October 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

I wish it were so.
Has anyone heard any republican suggest that the soon-to-begin obamacare taxes should be delayed if the mandate is delayed?

GaltBlvnAtty on October 24, 2013 at 6:13 PM

She’s worse than an inner city whore. She’ll say or do anything to keep her power and benefits. At least the whore is honest about it. This wretched thing just spews forth the party line until it’s time for election and then it’s as if she didn’t know she sold her soul for some silver and fame.

The republicans will, no doubt, find some creature that crawled out from under a rock to run against her and she’ll be re-elected. That person will be incapable of pointing out she voted 100% of the time with Reid, Boxer and frankenfeinstein.

acyl72 on October 24, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Kay Hagan is a god-less hack. She stood shoulder to shoulder with all the other democrats to vote for it. Live with it, you Chuck Schumer whoar.

SouthernGent on October 24, 2013 at 8:25 PM

If you live in North Carolina, please let us all know what you think of these 4 candidates and if you are aware of any other candidates who may also be running to replace Kay Hagan in the U.S. Senate.

wren on October 24, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Dr. Greg Brannon is the real deal.

Tillis may be the speaker of the house, but he’s put things out there as soon as the Republicans took over that could have been addressed later. Just another establishment Republican. The Rev. Harris is just a stalking horse to take votes away from Brannon.

LoganSix on October 24, 2013 at 9:16 PM