DNC chair Debbie Wasserman-Schultz: We should be open to extending the enrollment period for ObamaCare; Update: Pelosi rejects

posted at 2:01 pm on October 23, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Jim Geraghty, this makes at least three Democrats within the past 24 hours who are now talking openly about some form of delay. Erika covered Jeanne Shaheen’s call for delaying the deadline for enrollment last night. House Democrat Bill Pascrell said this after this morning’s ObamaCare briefing by the White House:

Debbie sounds fine with extending the enrollment period too, saying, “I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.” There isn’t? Megan McArdle:

Extending the open enrollment period: This idea has a number of big problems. For starters, it’s probably not legal. Also, it’s useless without extending the individual mandate: Who wants to find out that they’re liable for both insurance premiums and the penalty for being uninsured? But it would also be very, very bad for the insurance market.

I pointed out a while back that one conservative talking point — that people can just wait until they get sick, and then buy insurance — is incorrect. It’s incorrect because we have an open enrollment period: If you get sick in April, you have to wait until next January to get insured again. Oh, you can game it a bit (if you move to a different state, for example, you become eligible to buy insurance outside the open enrollment period). Even so, this provides a pretty powerful incentive to get insured and stay insured: After all, how many people can easily switch states?

But if the open enrollment period is extended, then suddenly it makes total sense to wait, especially if the individual mandate also gets delayed. And who’s most likely to wait? Say it with me: young, healthy people who rarely go to the doctor — exactly the people we need to get into the system immediately to keep it financially stable.

Insurance industry death spiral. Which makes me wonder: Do the Democrats who’ve been championing this law actually know how it works? It’s one thing for someone like Rubio to push the idea of delaying the mandate knowing that his proposal will go nowhere; it’s a crafty way to put Dems on the defensive politically. But now Democrats themselves are murmuring about delaying enrollment, which risks the same too many sick/not enough healthy financial nightmare for insurance companies, as a viable solution. It’s not viable. It’s not even viable if you subscribe to the “liberals designed ObamaCare to fail” theory. Even if that’s true, they wouldn’t design it to fail so badly that it might shake the public’s faith in liberal technocracy; that makes the goal of eventually selling people on single-payer harder, not easier. And they wouldn’t design it to fail immediately, when the public’s still skeptical of ObamaCare. To build support for greater statist control of health care, they need to impress people by showing that their contraption can run smoothly for awhile. Then, years from now, when they have a majority in Congress again, they can start touting single-payer as the key to lowering health-care costs for everyone. A meltdown on the federal exchange right out of the gate followed by skyrocketing premiums nationwide as the industry copes with the death spiral is … not helpful to that project. Which brings me back to my question. What are Shaheen, Pascrell, and Wasserman-Schultz doing touting a partial solution that’s apt to lead to the worst-case scenario? If you can’t fix the website immediately, your only option is to delay the law in its entirety so that insurers aren’t stuck figuring out a way to pay for preexisting conditions next year with no new revenue.

Actually, says Conn Carroll, there may be a way involving the “risk corridor” provisions of ObamaCare to delay the mandate and avoid an industry death spiral. Hint: It involves your wallet.

[I]f the actual cost of providing health care for the people who sign up for Obamacare is more expensive than the insurance companies thought it would be, then HHS will pay insurers the difference. They can’t lose!

And where will HHS get this money?

Well, the CBO scored the risk corridor program as budget neutral when Obamacare passed, reasoning that while some insurers would underestimate cots, others would overestimate them, and the overestimaters would be forced to pay the difference to HHS. CBO just figured the overestimaters and the underestimaters would cancel each other out.

But if everyone underestimated the cost of insuring people through Obamacare, then the money to cover insurance company losses will come straight from taxpayers. It could be the biggest taxpayer bailout of the insurance industry ever.

If there’s a shortfall among insurers, the feds will simply borrow an extra few billion to make them whole. Or, if Democrats figure out a way to take back the House, maybe there’ll be a brand new tax next year to pay for the bailout. They could have built ObamaCare that way from the start, in fact, if they wanted to cover preexisting conditions for sick people. Tax everyone, and tax the free-riding uninsured who can afford insurance but choose not to buy it a little extra. But they don’t like being seen as the “tax party” so they stuck us with this Rube Goldberg machine instead that’ll likely end up effectively taxing everyone anyway. See? John Roberts was right after all.

Update: No dice on extending enrollment says Pelosi. Is that because, unlike many of her colleagues, she grasps the death-spiral consequences of doing so? Or is this simply her refusing to give an inch to Republicans on her biggest “achievement” as Speaker?

“I don’t support that,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said Wednesday morning, just hours after Sen. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire appeared to be the first Democrat in Congress to join a growing number of her Republican colleagues in suggesting the deadline be pushed back…

Pelosi, the former House Speaker, disagreed, adding that “I think we should fix what we have. Move forward with the deadline we have, respectful of what her (Shaheen’s) experience may be, of her suggestion, but not supportive of it.”


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Tsar of Earth on October 23, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Translation from Pelosi: Let them eat cake

neyney on October 23, 2013 at 2:05 PM

(stoned)

aquaviva on October 23, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Because if you can’t get the insurance, or as Pelosi et al see it.. “don’t get the insurance by the deadline” you pay a fine. And that’s revenue baby.
They’re all about the Benjamin’s.

44Magnum on October 23, 2013 at 2:06 PM

EpicClusterFarkNado continues, popcorn futures on the rise.

OT: Is this for real?

ZenDraken on October 23, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Update: No dice on extending enrollment says Pelosi. Is that because, unlike many of her colleagues, she grasps the death-spiral consequences of doing so? Or is this simply her refusing to give an inch to Republicans on her biggest “achievement” as Speaker?

Or could it be because she’s a raging moonbat liberal?

I choose option C

NoFanofLibs on October 23, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Popcorn time, hopefully.

22044 on October 23, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Paint – meet corner.

HomeoftheBrave on October 23, 2013 at 2:07 PM

What could be better than this: a pack of hyenas snarling and fighting over the carcass of Øbamacare? Eat carrion, hyenas!

ExpressoBold on October 23, 2013 at 2:09 PM

“…extending the enrollment…”

Seems it’s extending itself not much unlike a self-eating watermelon. The ‘extending’ web component is working perfectly.

Tsar of Earth on October 23, 2013 at 2:09 PM

DWS and Pelosi? Right before lunch time? Brutal…

kcewa on October 23, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Pelosi said “we should fix what we have.” Which, if it were a simple matter that was going to require a couple of weeks, would make sense. But every bit of evidence we have suggests that there are major structural problems that are going to take extensive time to repair. It’s not as simple as saying “fix it,” or even of saying “throw more money at it.” But I know Pelosi can’t bring herself to admit that money can’t solve something.

Still, when Wasserman-Schultz is making more sense than you, it’s time to rethink your talking points…

Shump on October 23, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I didn’t know Moody, Sheehan and DWS were racists.

mankai on October 23, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I’m starting to agree with the “let it crash and burn” group. These people were given the opportunity to avert this, but failed to take the bailout. Now they can wallow in the complete disaster that this has become.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 23, 2013 at 2:10 PM

This idea has a number of big problems. For starters, it’s probably not legal

Yeah, like that’s a problem for O.

mankai on October 23, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Republicans should say “No dice. Ted Cruz offered a one year delay and you treated him as if he were Ted Bundy.”

You voted for it America, now deal with it. And if you don’t like this crap sandwich, vote Republican in 2016.

rbj on October 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM

ObamaCare: All the Fines, NONE of the coverage.

portlandon on October 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM

I can’t wait for all the mainstream media stories about “deep divisions” within the democratic party.

darkegop on October 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Of course Pelosi doesn’t care, she can take her millions and cover any and all expenses she may encounter. As for the masses . . . let them eat cake, or welfare cheese, or anything else they can scrounge.

rplat on October 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Boehner: More people will lose insurance under Obamacare than sign up in exchanges

House Speaker John A. Boehner predicted Wednesday that by the end of the month, more Americans will have lost their insurance by being kicked off existing health plans than the number who were able to sign up in the flawed online healthcare.gov website.

And the early numbers may back him up.

Kaiser Health News reported this week that hundreds of thousands of Americans have received notices from their insurers canceling their policies: 300,000 from Florida Blue and 160,000 from Kaiser Permanente in California.

One industry analyst told Kaiser Health News the moves may be a way of insurers ridding their own rolls of costly consumers they don’t want, and pushing those people onto the federal health exchanges.

“When you begin to look at these hundreds of thousands of people, I think what you’re going to see at the end of October are more Americans are going to lose their health insurance than are going to sign up at these exchanges,” the Ohio Republican told reporters.

Resist We Much on October 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM

I say the Dems can go F themselves. They had a chance to delay provisions of Obamacare including the individual mandate….DURING THE G-DD-MN GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN!!! But it was more important for them to “win” than to actually work with the GOP on dealing with this impending clusterfark. So let them enjoy their “victory” and own this mess.

Doughboy on October 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Nancy Pelosi, standing in the Emergency Room door, yelling “Individual Mandates Now! Individual Mandates Forever!” — you really have to be out there to make Debbie Wasserman Schultz sound like the voice of reason.

jon1979 on October 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM

People like Rubio need to STFU and let this nightmarish legislation self-destruct.

Reggie1971 on October 23, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Damn you, Ted Cruz!

Cue: La Cucaracha

/CNBC

mankai on October 23, 2013 at 2:13 PM

This gets better or worse by the hour.See(Tax increase)for the greater good and all.

docflash on October 23, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Ditzy is flying trial balloons from Barry without coordination with Nuancy. They must be in complete meltdown mode.

Ted Torgerson on October 23, 2013 at 2:17 PM

It could be the biggest taxpayer bailout of the insurance industry ever.

Is that really a “bailout”?

Obamacare shoots holes in the insurance industry’s business, then “bails them out”? I’ve never heard, “you break it, you pay for it” called a bailout.

Sad thing is, our tax $$$ will be paying for it.

taznar on October 23, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Why bother extending it?
For those who do not enroll, they will be hit by a fine, which will come out of their tax return.
But if they do not have a job what taxes?
Their Earned Income Credit will be reduced?
So what, it was never their money in the first place.
Like most social welfare programs ObamaCare punishes the middle class for the actions and choices of the poor.

LincolntheHun on October 23, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Say it with me: young, healthy people who rarely go to the doctor — exactly the people we need to get into the system immediately to keep it financially stable.

So now that cat is out of the bag and in the open. I can’t believe it finally got addressed in the MSM. Without these people subsidizing free insurance for sick people the whole thing can’t work. Hmmmm, wonder where we have heard that before?

Johnnyreb on October 23, 2013 at 2:18 PM

seems to me extending the first times rollout by 2 months makes sense.

it will still go back to oct-dec 31 in future years

gerrym51 on October 23, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Really? So, it’s impossible to buy health insurance April through December? That seems unlikely.

But if it’s true, then this adds another barrier to getting healthy people to buy health insurance by narrowing the window to only 3 months out of the year.

blink on October 23, 2013 at 2:16 PM

The enrollment period for Obamacare through the exchanges and with subsidies is for a set period of time.

One will still be able to purchase insurance directly from a company, but they will not be entitled to ANY form of subsidisation.

Resist We Much on October 23, 2013 at 2:18 PM

“If you can’t fix the website immediately, your only option is to delay the law in its entirety…”

I see three options. I’m almost ready to take bets that this will happen:

The WH provides a subsidies table and directs the insurance companies on the Exchange to prepare to field the phone calls themselves – while letting the website limp along to save face.

So, grandma will use the yellow pages to call all local agents and do the comparison manually on grid paper.

Tsar of Earth on October 23, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Good! No delays- No extensions. I don’t want anything to help them in the midterm elections. Rubio’s bill giving the Dems cover will do just that. They won’t have to take credit or responsibility for this piece of crud..

melle1228 on October 23, 2013 at 2:19 PM

“Do the Democrats who’ve been championing this law actually know how it works?”

Who cares…

… they OWN it.

Seven Percent Solution on October 23, 2013 at 2:19 PM

ObamaCare: All the Fines, NONE of the coverage.

portlandon on October 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Welcome the world of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant males.

Subject to all the taxes; receive no benefits.

BobMbx on October 23, 2013 at 2:21 PM

One will still be able to purchase insurance directly from a company, but they will not be entitled to ANY form of subsidisation.

Resist We Much on October 23, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Sounds like the mothers milk of Obamacare gets a little sour from time to time, eh?

BobMbx on October 23, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Fox Lib Bob Beckel Says White House Official Called Him And Chewed Him Out After He Criticized Obamacare And Called For A Delay…

Resist We Much on October 23, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Bob’s carried more water for this administration than a fleet of tanker trucks. Things must be really dire if they are this sensitive to criticism. We need to keep pushing.

Happy Nomad on October 23, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Really? So, it’s impossible to buy health insurance April through December? That seems unlikely.

that is entirely true. to buy insurance during this period you have to demonstrate specials circumstances.

this is copied from massachusttes(romneycare).

the only way to get it out of normal enrollment period is to lose the insurance you had and enroll within 62 days of losing that insurance.

i enrolled under romneycare when i retired in march. I had to provide insurance comerage info from my insurance company saying my coverage was lost within the 62 day period i had available.

gerrym51 on October 23, 2013 at 2:22 PM

seems to me extending the first times rollout by 2 months makes sense.

it will still go back to oct-dec 31 in future years

gerrym51 on October 23, 2013 at 2:18 PM

They’re going to need a lot more than 2 months to fix this crap sandwich. In the meantime, hundreds of thousands of people will have lost their insurance because of Democrats.

txhsmom on October 23, 2013 at 2:22 PM

OT: Is this for real?

ZenDraken on October 23, 2013 at 2:07 PM

OT: Yes. Maybe you and I are the only ones that have had time to absorb its implications in the current new cycle.

Tsar of Earth on October 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM

“God bless him, bless his heart, president of the United States — a total failure, losing all credibility with the American people on the economy, on the war, on energy, you name the subject,” Pelosi told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer in an exclusive interview.

J_Crater on October 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Pelosi, the former House Speaker, disagreed, adding that “I think we should fix what we have. Move forward with the deadline we have, respectful of what her (Shaheen’s) experience may be, of her suggestion, but not supportive of it.”

Bunker mentality.

Be interesting to see how Botox Nancy will explain to people that they have to pay a fine because they didn’t get insurance, because her POS legislation couldn’t produce a viable sign-up system.

GarandFan on October 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Or …

… We repeal the whole thing!

The Death Spiral is already in place for the young:

1) Thanks to the Democrats incompetence on the economy there are not enough new jobs being created for new workers entering the job market.

2) Thanks to the marriage of economic incompetence with Obamacare – Many of the jobs BEING created are part time, poorly paid positions without benefits.

3) College graduates are running up unprecedented levels of education debt …. but having the degree means only 50% of the graduates are finding jobs … the other 50% have government sponsored debt, which is driving up the cost of college, they CAN’T get out of even if they declare bankruptcy.

and last but not least …

4) If they’ve found a decent paying job, young workers now get to FUND their parent’s & granparent’s healthcare costs OR pay 1% of their income as a punitive TAX for not taking the WORST DEAL EVER OFFERED!

Hey, AP! Tell us again what a HUGE MISTAKE it was to shut down the government to try to prevent our children being RAPED by Obamacare.

PolAgnostic on October 23, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Suck it leftist, you own this stinking pile of feces lock, stock and barrel.

D-fusit on October 23, 2013 at 2:27 PM

OT: Is this for real?

ZenDraken on October 23, 2013 at 2:07 PM

OT: Yes. Maybe you and I are the only ones that have had time to absorb its implications in the current new cycle.

Tsar of Earth on October 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM

It’s real, but don’t ever fall for the lie that the Saudis are our friends. They are the biggest exporters of Wahhabism in the world.

I’m not saying it is a good thing that they’ve cut diplomatic ties, but those ties were not always in our best interests in the past.

Resist We Much on October 23, 2013 at 2:28 PM

OT: Yes. Maybe you and I are the only ones that have had time to absorb its implications in the current new cycle.

Tsar of Earth on October 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM

I figured Ed would’ve got himself around to this one by now. Smart power.

oldroy on October 23, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Sounds like the mothers milk of Obamacare gets a little sour from time to time, eh?

BobMbx on October 23, 2013 at 2:22 PM

…the nipple’s not working!

KOOLAID2 on October 23, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Pelosi said “we should fix what we have.”…

Shump on October 23, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Pelosi desperately Googling all rational (and irrational) variants of the search string: “Code-Fixifier Free Download”.

Tsar of Earth on October 23, 2013 at 2:29 PM

It’s real, but don’t ever fall for the lie that the Saudis are our friends.

Resist We Much on October 23, 2013 at 2:28 PM

(Need a thread) OT: They are telling us no more protection money (cheap crude) if we can’t keep the Arab Street from invading the Royal Palace.

Tsar of Earth on October 23, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Hint: It involves your wallet.

I always hated those questions where the teacher gives you the one piece of information you already knew.

RINO in Name Only on October 23, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Ot but too good….

See Drudge……Oof!

can_con on October 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM

OT: Is this for real?

ZenDraken on October 23, 2013 at 2:07 PM

.
Essentially, yes.

Another “Nothing to see here” special of the Kneepad Media – Obama ceded our influence in the Middle East to Russia but nothing bad will come from his incompetence. /s

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/10/23/special_report_panel_is_saudi_arabia_breaking_up_with_us.html

PolAgnostic on October 23, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Do the Democrats who’ve been championing this law actually know how it works?

This is a huge problem. What do you expect from a bunch of community organizers and multicultural studies majors?

And now some of them are trying to blame conservatives for the economic reality of death spiral. What next? Conservatives are to blame for apples falling to the earth?

BuckeyeSam on October 23, 2013 at 2:33 PM

They’re going to need a lot more than 2 months to fix this crap sandwich. In the meantime, hundreds of thousands of people will have lost their insurance because of Democrats.

txhsmom on October 23, 2013 at 2:22 PM

All true. But in Obama’s USSA, all this train wreck means is ObamaCare’s poll numbers get BETTER, with more people now approving of it.

We’re doomed.

Meople on October 23, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Which makes me wonder: Do the Democrats who’ve been championing this law actually know how it works?

Nope.

They think getting people to sign up means creating a program that can be expanded, or even moved towards single payer. They have zero concept of what delaying the individual mandate, or extending the enrollment period, actually does to the whole system. They are only thinking in terms of increasing the number of people on the dole, not how failing to sign up for the dole crashes everything.

I know many believe that bankrupting insurers is the ultimate goal, but it really isn’t. The ultimate goal is to capture as many people into the system so insurers could be bent towards a single payer like structure, or phased out entirely. A public option, which was part of the early incarnations of this legislation, was meant to do just that, but much more quickly. Bankrupting the system actually helps no one, not even the leftists. The chaos born from a giant government run program bankrupting health insurance providers is far too difficult to control or predict.

NotCoach on October 23, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Even with all their ill-gotten dough, shrews like Pelosi and Wasserman-Schultz can even fix their hideous faces, so people can be forgiven for not believing they can fix 1/6th of the U.S. economy.

Christien on October 23, 2013 at 2:36 PM

You can smell the fear in the Progs and their State Run Media…

d1carter on October 23, 2013 at 2:37 PM

If this doesn’t work, does Mitch have to give back his Kickback…?

d1carter on October 23, 2013 at 2:38 PM

OT- Non apology apology from Liesman

“Regarding my recent remark on Squawk Box regarding Senator Ted Cruz, I first want to deeply and sincerely apologize if my remarks were insensitive.

Second, I want to explain that it was not intended to be offensive in any way.

I thought of him only as an American senator from Texas, and in an attempt, on the fly, to choose music representing that state, I chose Mexican music.

And of course when you want to choose music representing Texas what else it out there but The Macarena? It, of course was supposed to intended to be offensive and mocking of Ted Cruz.

Happy Nomad on October 23, 2013 at 2:38 PM

If this doesn’t work, does Mitch have to give back his Kickback…?

d1carter on October 23, 2013 at 2:38 PM

He doesn’t give a dam.

Happy Nomad on October 23, 2013 at 2:38 PM

You can smell the fear in the Progs and their State Run Media…

d1carter on October 23, 2013 at 2:37 PM

It is finally starting, those late to the bonfire will get burnt the most.

D-fusit on October 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM

I’m not saying it is a good thing that they’ve cut diplomatic ties, but those ties were not always in our best interests in the past.

Resist We Much on October 23, 2013 at 2:28 PM

.
I agree the Saudis interests are vastly different from our own but …

“Keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer.”

…. is the best approach to the Middle East. We have betrayed our friends (Israel, Egypt) we USED to have influence over and cut our enemies (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Dubai) who would trade goals for our keeping them in the loop COMPLETELY out of the loop.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/10/23/special_report_panel_is_saudi_arabia_breaking_up_with_us.html

PolAgnostic on October 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Sounds like Ms. Pelosi and Obama are doubling down – afraid to show weakness by admitting this ghastly law and the wretchedly designed website were colossal mistakes.

Jill1066 on October 23, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Can the insurance company then refuse people based on pre-existing conditions?

blink on October 23, 2013 at 2:31 PM

No and all policies must include the essential minimum benefits.

Resist We Much on October 23, 2013 at 2:43 PM

OT- Non apology apology from Liesman

“Regarding my recent remark on Squawk Box regarding Senator Ted Cruz, I first want to deeply and sincerely apologize if my remarks were insensitive.

Second, I want to explain that it was not intended to be offensive in any way.

I thought of him only as an American senator from Texas, and in an attempt, on the fly, to choose music representing that state, I chose Mexican music.

And of course when you want to choose music representing Texas what else it out there but The Macarena? It, of course was supposed to intended to be offensive and mocking of Ted Cruz.

Happy Nomad on October 23, 2013 at 2:38 PM

I saw that. The apology is almost as bad as the racial slur(and yes, it WAS racial). I live in the Lone Star State and contrary to what this idiot claims to believe, Tejano isn’t the official music of Texas. In fact, most Tex Mex restaurants don’t even play that stuff.

Doughboy on October 23, 2013 at 2:43 PM

What’s important here? DWS says NOTHING without the approval of the White House. This is a definite trial balloon.

Chris of Rights on October 23, 2013 at 2:44 PM

I just saw where Cruella is visiting a “HHS health-insurance customer call center” in Phoenix on Thursday, yep too busy to go to Capital Hill to testify. I’ll give her credit for running far far away from responsibility!

D-fusit on October 23, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Sad thing is, our tax $$$ will be paying for it.

taznar on October 23, 2013 at 2:17 PM

To quote one of my lifelong welfare queen half-sisters – “it’s not MY money, so why shouldn’t I have the best”.

dentarthurdent on October 23, 2013 at 2:45 PM

You can’t put the toothpaste back in this can of worms. The horse already left the barn to catch the ship that has already sailed.

SparkPlug on October 23, 2013 at 2:45 PM

I just saw where Cruella is visiting a “HHS health-insurance customer call center” in Phoenix on Thursday, yep too busy to go to Capital Hill to testify. I’ll give her credit for running far far away from responsibility!

D-fusit on October 23, 2013 at 2:44 PM

India also has a city named Phoenix?

dentarthurdent on October 23, 2013 at 2:46 PM

ObamaCare: All the Fines, NONE of the coverage.

portlandon on October 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Your comment reminds me of the shirts I saw in Singapore recently:

Singapore is a FINE city
Fine for spitting: $X
Fine for chewing gum: $Y
Fine for this: $Z
Fine for that: $$

Maybe someone could imitate it:

Obamacare is a FINE program
Fine for this: $$
Fine for that: $$$
Fine for the other: $$$

Christien on October 23, 2013 at 2:46 PM

H/t Twitchy eyeball girl for can of worms picture on her website.

SparkPlug on October 23, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Happy Nomad on October 23, 2013 at 2:38 PM
Doughboy on October 23, 2013 at 2:43 PM

If Cruz is asked whether he accepts that apology, he should respond, “What apology? I don’t see any unconditional expression of regret and remorse.”

BuckeyeSam on October 23, 2013 at 2:46 PM

You can’t put the toothpaste back in this can of worms. The horse already left the barn to catch the ship that has already sailed.

SparkPlug on October 23, 2013 at 2:45 PM

LOL.
Mixed metaphors are old skoo – Love the mixed cliches….

dentarthurdent on October 23, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Sounds like Ms. Pelosi and Obama are doubling down – afraid to show weakness by admitting this ghastly law and the wretchedly designed website were colossal mistakes.

Jill1066 on October 23, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Some rats CAN’T leave the sinking ship.

But I think it is more than that. Socialized healthcare has been the holy grail of the left for decades. They’re convinced that public opinion will turn once they see how wonderful a job the government can do in running healthcare. And it would be a huge political defeat if three years of hype about the wonders of Obamacare ends in a smoldering pile of disappointment, false promises, and a worse healthcare system than when it all started.

It’s to the point where they refuse to call it Obamacare.

Happy Nomad on October 23, 2013 at 2:48 PM

India also has a city named Phoenix?

dentarthurdent on October 23, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Apparently it’s on the outskirts of Mumbai, hehe!

D-fusit on October 23, 2013 at 2:48 PM

You voted for it America, now deal with it. And if you don’t like this crap sandwich, vote Republican in 2016.

rbj on October 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM

The number one talking point of every single Republican. Period.

HiJack on October 23, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Apparently it’s on the outskirts of Mumbai, hehe!

D-fusit on October 23, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Visiting cousin Sanjay, or as you know him, Dave from AT&T HHS customer service.

dentarthurdent on October 23, 2013 at 2:51 PM

I smell . . . FEAR.

This is why the stupid sideshow of a shutdown was such a complete waste of time (except of course for the self-promoting demagogues who built million+- databases for future fundraising with their phony “petitions”). ObamaCare was always a massive disaster just waiting to happen, and Obama and Reid were NEVER going to allow it to be stopped in advance, no matter who had to suffer.

The smart play would have been to just stand back and constantly remind the public that not a single Republican voted for it and Reid and Obama used procedural trickery to pass it.

Our motto should never have been the silly “Defund!” but rather “Told ya so.”

Adjoran on October 23, 2013 at 2:51 PM

I think how they handle this will depend on the polls. If Obama is getting hurt (unlikely) then he will come in with some magic decree, postponing everything. It’s not like he hasn’t done it before. If they think it will mess up the Republican they will do what the Republicans suggested in the Slimdown but say that the Republicans are against it and want to punish the people. Truth figures nowhere into this.

Cindy Munford on October 23, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Our motto should never have been the silly “Defund!” but rather “Told ya so.”

Adjoran on October 23, 2013 at 2:51 PM

We can still say “Told ya so”, but we can also point out how we tried to stop it from the very start 3+ years ago AND we tried to stop it’s implementation. Double good in my book.

D-fusit on October 23, 2013 at 2:57 PM

rbj on October 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM

But it’s from Obama so we know it is wonderful and that he can hope and change it into something wonderful because he is so dreamy. If we could vote for him again we would. ////

Cindy Munford on October 23, 2013 at 2:58 PM

I saw that. The apology is almost as bad as the racial slur(and yes, it WAS racial). I live in the Lone Star State and contrary to what this idiot claims to believe, Tejano isn’t the official music of Texas. In fact, most Tex Mex restaurants don’t even play that stuff.

Doughboy on October 23, 2013 at 2:43 PM

I actually think it is worse. If they’re talking about Eric Cantor would he have told them to put on some of that Jewish music? If they’re talking about the Washington Redskins would he have them put on a recording of an Indian Pow Wow? No, this was pure offensive snark.

If Cruz is asked whether he accepts that apology, he should respond, “What apology? I don’t see any unconditional expression of regret and remorse.”

BuckeyeSam on October 23, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Oh! He should go the opposite route. If they ask him about Liesman’s “apology” all he should say is: Who?

Don’t dignify the cockroach with an acknowledgement you are even paying attention to it.

Happy Nomad on October 23, 2013 at 2:58 PM

ObamaCare: All the Fines, NONE of the coverage.

portlandon on October 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Also known as the John Roberts Tax.

freedomfirst on October 23, 2013 at 2:58 PM

How in the world will the GOP snatch defeat from this debacle..?

d1carter on October 23, 2013 at 2:59 PM

But it’s from Obama so we know it is wonderful and that he can hope and change it into something wonderful because he is so dreamy. If we could vote for him again we would. ////

Cindy Munford on October 23, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Scary to think just how many Obots feel this way, isn’t it? Yikes!

D-fusit on October 23, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Debt ceiling increase ftw!

cmsinaz on October 23, 2013 at 3:00 PM

OT: Is this for real?

ZenDraken on October 23, 2013 at 2:07 PM

OT: Yes. Maybe you and I are the only ones that have had time to absorb its implications in the current new cycle.

Tsar of Earth on October 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM

More than “implications”. The One and Lurch have caused a tectonic shift in the Mideast.

Saudi Arabia now sees itself under threat of being surrounded by radical Islamist states and groups allied with Iran, the situation they have tried to avoid since the Shah was deposed. And they conclude (correctly I believe) that The One prefers radical Islamists as being “authentically Muslim” and therefore “authentically Eastern and mystical”.

They wanted us to do a replay of Desert Storm in Syria. That wasn’t going to happen no matter who was in charge. They also wanted us to continue pushing a “two-state solution” for the Israeli/Palestinian conflict war. In this they’re just being stupid; the Palestinians won’t accept such a “solution”, because they are determined to “drive the Jews into the sea”.

So partly, their action results from their own somewhat delusional worldview.

But the main reason is their very accurate perception that the UN Security Council is mainly a soapbox for radical Islamists to issue demands from. And that the present Administration in Washington, and the Democratic party, see Islamism as the solution, not the problem.

They are not blameless. All the Danegeld they have paid to various Islamist groups over the decades hasn’t shielded them, and they are no realizing that rather like Lenin’s observation about capitalists and Communism, they have very likely sold those radicals the rope that will be used to hang them.

And their usual gambit of “Get my Islamic brother _______ out of ________ with your army, and then leave before my other Islamic brothers notice that you aren’t one” isn’t working anymore. Not that it was a good idea to start with, but now they find themselves dealing with an American president who thinks their aggressive “Islamic brothers” in Syria, etc., are the good guys.

The Saudis and The One both came into this with worldviews that don’t square with reality. And those worldviews have collided head-on at about Mach 4.

With Lurch standing in the middle looking like a concussed hamster. (Of course, he usually looks like that, anyway.)

Events in the Mideast have just taken yet another turn for the worse under this Administration.

Let the finger pointing begin.

(Odds on The One, Reid, Pelosi et al blaming the GOP?)

clear ether

eon

eon on October 23, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Our motto should never have been the silly “Defund!” but rather “Told ya so.”

Adjoran on October 23, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Still can be the motto. Will anyone use it?

freedomfirst on October 23, 2013 at 3:02 PM

Our motto should never have been the silly “Defund!” but rather “Told ya so.”

Adjoran on October 23, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Only people capable of losing elections would believe that should be their motto. If you’re a LIV, and ObamaCare has made you seriously rethink who you’re going to vote for, are you more apt to vote for the guy who sat on his hands and said “Told ya so!”; or will you be more receptive to the guy who actually fought hard to stop the disaster in the first place?

Sitting around waiting for SMOD will never win hearts and minds.

NotCoach on October 23, 2013 at 3:07 PM

How in the world will the GOP snatch defeat from this debacle..?

d1carter on October 23, 2013 at 2:59 PM

I’m sure McCain and Beener are working on it….

dentarthurdent on October 23, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Only people capable of losing elections would believe that should be their motto. If you’re a LIV, and ObamaCare has made you seriously rethink who you’re going to vote for, are you more apt to vote for the guy who sat on his hands and said “Told ya so!”; or will you be more receptive to the guy who actually fought hard to stop the disaster in the first place?
Sitting around waiting for SMOD will never win hearts and minds.

NotCoach on October 23, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Sorry, but you seem to have the mistaken impression that libtard voters think logically.
Stop and think – you’re talking about libtard voters here….

dentarthurdent on October 23, 2013 at 3:11 PM

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