Waxman: Let’s get real, these ObamaCare glitches are the private sector’s fault

posted at 9:21 pm on October 22, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

You might have thought that the ultimate culpability for the current problems plaguing ObamaCare belong to the administration that sloppily designed, forcefully passed, and hastily implemented the gigantic redistribution project — but you would have been wrong. Ranking Democrat of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, the one holding the health care hearing this Thursday, is here to tell you why:

KIRSTEN WELKER: Based on what you know right now, was the president or Secretary Sebelius made aware of those problems before this system was launched?

WAXMAN: I don’t have any information about that, but no one could have possibly known how bad the system would work when it was implemented all across the country for the millions of people that want insurance and have tried to access the website. So if it worked well for a smaller group, turned out it didn’t work well enough for a larger group. That often happens. …

WELKER: Congressman, just very quickly, yes or no, should Secretary Sebelius keep her job?

HENRY WAXMAN: Absolutely. There’s no reason for her not to continue on as secretary. She’s done a terrific job. I have a great deal of confidence in her. She doesn’t know about all technicalities. That was contracted out to the private sector, and the private sector with all the money they got, couldn’t develop the website that we needed. It shouldn’t have been done by government, but we should have had more competent people in the private sector, and if anybody’s head should roll, it should be the contractors who didn’t live up to their contractual responsibility.

Firstly, “no one could have possibly known how bad the system would work,” really? The failures in the beta-testing phase — you know, the one they started in the week before the enrollment period — wasn’t a huge giveaway?

Secondly, if indeed the involved contractors “couldn’t develop the website that we needed” and “didn’t live up to their contractual responsibility,” then in turn, whose fault is that? It couldn’t be… the people who hired those contractors and/or assigned them an impossible task, could it?!

Truly, the gentleman is in dire need of better talking points. He’s likely to get them on the morrow:

Mike Hash, who directs the Office of Health reform at the Department of Health and Human Services, will brief House Democrats Wednesday about implementation of the Affordable Care Act.

The closed-door session, which will start at 8:50 a.m., marks the first time the administration will have briefed members of Congress on the online enrollment system since its troubled rollout on Oct. 1.

The briefing comes as HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius published a blog post detailing some of the efforts the administration is undertaking to fix HealthCare.gov, including bringing on former Office of Management and Budget acting director Jeffrey Zients.


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Somewhere a trap is missing its cheese.

Murphy9 on October 22, 2013 at 9:23 PM

THIS is what these liars in DC are going to give us soon.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/10/canada_has_death_panels_and_that_s_a_good_thing.html

PappyD61 on October 22, 2013 at 9:24 PM

These people have no idea what an executive is supposed to be doing.

Harbingeing on October 22, 2013 at 9:25 PM

spend another 100 billion.

rob verdi on October 22, 2013 at 9:25 PM

So who the heck are Waxman and these other politicians even speaking to? Even those of us who pay a lot of attention often miss these interviews, and even if we don’t, we rarely learn anything new or are surprised by what comes out of their mouths.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 22, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Somewhere a trap is missing its cheese.

Murphy9 on October 22, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Well-played. I was going to go with village/idiot, but DC is the largest village.

Steve Eggleston on October 22, 2013 at 9:26 PM

That was contracted out to the private sector, and the private sector with all the money they got, couldn’t develop the website that we needed. It shouldn’t have been done by government, but we should have had more competent people in the private sector, and if anybody’s head should roll, it should be the contractors who didn’t live up to their contractual responsibility.

Er, no.

1. The administration hired a firm that had been fired by the Canadian government for failure to deliver a ‘product’ 1/10th of the size of the Obamacare exchange. That is on the Obama administration.

2.

Report: White House Responsible For Obamacare Website Fiasco, “Didn’t Know What They Wanted… Kept Changing The Goal Post”…

Via Free Beacon:

Adding to the growing list of reasons for the failure in the Obamacare website rollout. CNN’s Joe Johns reports that the government did not know what they wanted from the website. The report concludes that the government “ kept changing the goal post…making it difficult for contractors to deliver a product.”

Is it solely the fault of the contractor that your house came in 6 times the projected cost and the wiring is f*cked up because you kept changing the specs?

Resist We Much on October 22, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Wow, Henry Waxman is a real piece of work.

I mean, really, there’s a piece of work, and then there’s this guy.

The Schaef on October 22, 2013 at 9:27 PM

That was contracted out to the private sector, and the private sector with all the money they got, couldn’t develop the website that we needed.

If I’m that contractor – I’m going before Congress with all the change orders and last-minute revisions – and shoving them up Waxman’s @ss.

Hill60 on October 22, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Rat faced bastard.

jawkneemusic on October 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Waxman is a human glitch.

fogw on October 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM

glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch
glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch
glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch

Axe on October 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Somewhere a trap is missing its GUBMINT cheese.

Murphy9 on October 22, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Edited for accuracy.

Nosetradamus Waxman is one of the poster boys for the TEAT Party.

Resist We Much on October 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM

This guy has personally destroyed so much wealth and opportunity with his grandstanding concern act while he fleeces the imbeciles into thinking he is looking out for them and the environment.

Truly a contemptible criminal ahole.

Murphy9 on October 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Waxman captures what’s wrong with the entire Left; an unshakeable belief that government can do no wrong. It’s a form of insanity.

They believe good intentions relieve them of responsibility for failure.

They believe that the best and brightest among us truly pursue government as a career.

They believe the tiny fraction if Americans living inside the beltway are more intelligent on average than the 310 million living outside the beltway.

I really, really hate these people.

Charlemagne on October 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Resist We Much on October 22, 2013 at 9:27 PM

<3

Hill60 on October 22, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Somewhere a trap is missing its cheese.

Murphy9 on October 22, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Ugliest man in the world.

HiJack on October 22, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Anyone that has ever cast a vote for Henry Waxman should be neutered with a hatchet.

M240H on October 22, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Somewhere a trap is missing its GUBMINT cheese.

Murphy9 on October 22, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Edited for accuracy.

Resist We Much on October 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM

R A C I S T

Axe on October 22, 2013 at 9:30 PM

These people have no idea what an executive is supposed to be doing.

Harbingeing on October 22, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Kinda shows, doesn’t it? These people are ridiculously unqualified for much above box maker in the real world.

98ZJUSMC on October 22, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Just keeps getting funnier…….

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 22, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Flawless. The perfect candidate for the job, Waxman.

Bmore on October 22, 2013 at 9:31 PM

the gentleman is in dire need of better talking points.

Not really. I would expect his line of thinking to work perfectly well on a nation stupid enough to re-elect Barack Obama.

RightKlik on October 22, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Haven’t seen ol’ Fruitbat in a while, maybe his internal sonar was down and he had to stay hanging in the cave.

I imagine selling one of my customers a shoddy POS fab and they say “What the f**k is this?” to which I answer “Well you know, I farmed it out and the guy I hired was sort of low rent. Anyhoo, I can make you another for twice the money.”

Bishop on October 22, 2013 at 9:31 PM

That was contracted out to the private sector, and the private sector with all the money they got, couldn’t develop the website that we needed.

Which – obviously – explains why the Obama administration is outsourcing the ‘surge’ to the private sector.

Resist We Much on October 22, 2013 at 9:33 PM

I just cannot get all excited over this website. It will be fixed and then what? We will all have higher premiums and deductibles and be happy about it.

Cindy Munford on October 22, 2013 at 9:33 PM

I really, really hate these people.

Charlemagne on October 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM

I am unable to type how I really feel about these people.

98ZJUSMC on October 22, 2013 at 9:33 PM

I just cannot get all excited over this website. It will be fixed and then what? We will all have higher premiums and deductibles and be happy about it.

Cindy Munford on October 22, 2013 at 9:33 PM

IT HAS OBAMA’S NAME ON IT!!!!!!

*mouth breathing*

Murphy9 on October 22, 2013 at 9:34 PM

They believe the tiny fraction if Americans living inside the beltway are more intelligent on average than the 310 million living outside the beltway.

I really, really hate these people.

Charlemagne on October 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Not all 310 million. Think about it, ever in your life met a leftie who didn’t imagine themselves as a Politburo member in their grand Utopia rather than a worker drone?

Every one of them thinks they have all the best ideas, the deepest insight, the most thoughtful wisdom, and therefore need to be a decision maker rather than the dude who has to clean out the sewers.

Bishop on October 22, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Waxman captures what’s wrong with the entire Left; an unshakeable belief that government can do no wrong. It’s a form of insanity.

They believe good intentions relieve them of responsibility for failure.

They believe that the best and brightest among us truly pursue government as a career.

They believe the tiny fraction if Americans living inside the beltway are more intelligent on average than the 310 million living outside the beltway.

I really, really hate these people.

Charlemagne on October 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM

They also believe that anyone who is not “one of them” is inherently evil, and must be controlled or, ideally, destroyed so that Utopia can triumph. Waxman is a huge anti-gunner, BTW.

I think he’s well-named. A wax statue of him would have a higher IQ.

Hell, I’ve washed wax out of my ear canals that was smarter than he is.

clear ether

eon

eon on October 22, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Jeffery Zients…? Wasn’t he the jackazz that was the WH contact for the IRS..? He left the administration right before the scandal broke and left the country…

I remember his jerky Congessional testimony when he was in OMB.

Oh, boy. Jeffery Zients.

d1carter on October 22, 2013 at 9:36 PM

No ownership. More shit to come.

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 22, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Ugliest man in the world.

HiJack on October 22, 2013 at 9:29 PM

His nostrils always remind me of railroad tunnels.

PatriotGal2257 on October 22, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Well-played. I was going to go with village/idiot, but DC is the largest village.

Steve Eggleston on October 22, 2013 at 9:26 PM

With a surplus of idiots.

KCB on October 22, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Cindy Munford on October 22, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Don’t you dare go near that 0Care website Cindy. Its little more than an IRS outlet to you and yours. They yearn to get to know us in a different light.

Bmore on October 22, 2013 at 9:37 PM

A “glitch”. That is probably the least descriptive term one could use for this travesty. It’s the same as calling a 9.6 level earthquake a minor tremor.

It’s been awhile since we’ve heard from Henry “pigface” Waxman. Did he see his shadow?

iamsaved on October 22, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Remember back in the day when anything the private sector did was because government was there to make it happen? Those were good times.

“You didn’t build that!”

Just became:

“You built that!”

Bishop on October 22, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Bmore on October 22, 2013 at 9:37 PM

I went on today. I gave my age and location and was able to see the cost of 80 plans without supplying any other info. Must be a change.

KCB on October 22, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Waxman: Let’s get real, these ObamaCare glitches are the private sector’s fault

Weak sauce. Back in the day when Dems ruled in the House and we were a year out from the next election, Waxman would be indicting the hell out of anybody he could to showboat at sham “hearings.”

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 9:39 PM

LOL! I don’t expect to have to. I am on a government personnel policy so I think my worse case scenario is going to be increased premiums and deductibles. Since we aren’t at home, we haven’t received the information yet.

Cindy Munford on October 22, 2013 at 9:40 PM

“You didn’t build that!”

Just became:

“You built that!”

Bishop on October 22, 2013 at 9:38 PM

And they say it without batting an eye or turning red in embarrassment.

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 22, 2013 at 9:40 PM

The Missing Link speaks.

bw222 on October 22, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Waxman: Let’s get real, these ObamaCare glitches are the will end private sector insurance forever

bgibbs1000 on October 22, 2013 at 9:40 PM

glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch
glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch
glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch

Axe on October 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM

LOL! ;)

thatsafactjack on October 22, 2013 at 9:41 PM

I went on today. I gave my age and location and was able to see the cost of 80 plans without supplying any other info. Must be a change.

KCB on October 22, 2013 at 9:39 PM

It was. Did you try to actually enroll?

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 9:41 PM


Waxman can switch his nose on to ” GLITCH SUCK(TION)”,

and,viola,all glitchs/glitchys/glitchaRoo’s sucked up!!
Le Done!!
(sarc)

canopfor on October 22, 2013 at 9:41 PM

it should be the contractors who didn’t live up to their contractual responsibility.

Blame Canada?

monalisa on October 22, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Cindy Munford on October 22, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Ahhh. Of course. I forgot.

KCB on October 22, 2013 at 9:39 PM

You should have kept with the reading KCB.

Bmore on October 22, 2013 at 9:42 PM

O/T http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/10/22/10-PM-EDT-on-Fox-News-Peter-Schweizer-to-Discuss-Extortion-on-Hannity

I read a little on the CBS 60 min. show but have been busy with Family this past week.

bluefox on October 22, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Waxman…Snidely Whiplash.

d1carter on October 22, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Shut it, mole rat!

annoyinglittletwerp on October 22, 2013 at 9:42 PM

KCB on October 22, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Any of them affordable?

Cindy Munford on October 22, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Remember back in the day when anything the private sector did was because government was there to make it happen? Those were good times.

“You didn’t build that!”

Just became:

“You built that!”

Bishop on October 22, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Bishop:

Veddy nice narrative,and,you have shot all to h*ll the DemoTards
*Speaky Talky Points *!—–:)

canopfor on October 22, 2013 at 9:43 PM

It was. Did you try to actually enroll?

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 9:41 PM

No. So far I have insurance from work, and i didn’t want to give more info. My rates varied from $224-478/mo.

KCB on October 22, 2013 at 9:44 PM

fogw on October 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Axe on October 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM

.
WTH? Telepathy?

ExpressoBold on October 22, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Any of them affordable?

Cindy Munford on October 22, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Couldn’t see the deductibles. I have the best plan my work offers. It costs about what there lowest is (Bronze)

KCB on October 22, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Waxman: Let’s get real, these ObamaCare glitches are the private sector’s fault

Sigh.

Just when I think Democrat excuses can’t go any lower, they somehow manage to lower the bar again.

rukiddingme on October 22, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Well-played. I was going to go with village/idiot, but DC is the largest village.

Steve Eggleston on October 22, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Steve, that is the real shame with guys like Waxman, here are whole towns and villages left wonting while DC corners the market on idiots. It ain’t right.

Who hired these companies? What was the criteria? Who else bid on them (we already know the answer, but I want to see the question put forth)

JusDreamin on October 22, 2013 at 9:46 PM

it should be the contractors who didn’t live up to their contractual responsibility.

Blame Canada?

monalisa on October 22, 2013 at 9:41 PM

monalisa:Lol,haha:)
===================

Just terrific,..heres the MSM HeadLine:

ObamaCare Glitchs Tracked to Canadian Beavers Chewing on IT Wires,

PM Harper,Has No Comment,But Hinted Something About Obama ComeUppance.

canopfor on October 22, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Among the other lies the progressive-fascist-statist ideologues will use to defend big government…..

….all of the software problems were caused by 2 rogue programmers in Cincinnati…

Athos on October 22, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Bmore on October 22, 2013 at 9:42 PM

You are right.

KCB on October 22, 2013 at 9:49 PM

The ShamWow-in-Chief

Resist We Much on October 22, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Resist We Much:Good One:)

canopfor on October 22, 2013 at 9:50 PM

WTH? Telepathy?

ExpressoBold on October 22, 2013 at 9:45 PM

. . . Yes. :)

Axe on October 22, 2013 at 9:52 PM

Hey henry have ya ever looked at obamas non resume. He has never worked a day in his life nor does he have any leadership capability yet he is the CEO. henry you are an idiot and so are the many that hired the schmuck in the white house. The federal government can’t run the post office and barely runs the military. You jackasses took something that should have stayed in the private sector and made it your plaything and you have the gall to blame the private sector.

crosshugger on October 22, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Waxman.. Haven’t seen him in awhile. His nostrils are still incredible.

JellyToast on October 22, 2013 at 9:53 PM

You are right.

KCB on October 22, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Lolz! You gonna be first at QOTD?

Bmore on October 22, 2013 at 9:53 PM

WAXMAN: “all across the country for the millions of people that want insurance and have tried to access the website.”

OMFG! They don’t want to buy the insurance! They are FORCED to via the “law of the land”. Sheesh

I’m sick of these liberals stating this talking point. The traffic to the site is because the law says they must enroll within 6mos.

Conservative4Ever on October 22, 2013 at 9:54 PM

Blame Canada?

monalisa on October 22, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Snicker…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxPRHXgYVlk

katy the mean old lady on October 22, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Frickin Ferengi..never could trust ‘em.
Go back to your own planet!

Mimzey on October 22, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Like Obama, this gum on your shoe RINO doesn’t like his ego bruised, so he’s going to give everyone an “I’ll show you” moment.

RdLake on October 22, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Ferengi?

HAHAHAHAHA

A blast from the past AND it made it past the capricious filters.

Bishop on October 22, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Mimzey on October 22, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Spawn wants you to quit insulting Ferengis.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 22, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Is it solely the fault of the contractor that your house came in 6 times the projected cost and the wiring is f*cked up because you kept changing the specs?

Resist We Much on October 22, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Great post. I have to say though that if my last couple days with my workmates is any indication, Obama’s supporters will be blaming everyone but him. You cannot believe these guys. The crew daddy actually said Republicans are sabotaging it on purpose.

smoothsailing on October 22, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Bishop on October 22, 2013 at 10:01 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on October 22, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Ferengi is as Ferengi does.
:)

Mimzey on October 22, 2013 at 10:03 PM

No RATBOY, this disaster is solely on YOU, the rest of the Dimocrats and the Glitch-in-Chief occupying the White House.

Meople on October 22, 2013 at 10:04 PM

They just had the first Medical Informatics board exam last week, and many of the participnans are celebrating with snarky post-mortem sample questions. This is my favorite so far.

As project lead on a high profile healthcare initiative, you discover that the website is still not accessible by 1 in 10 users three weeks after go-live. The most likely explanation for this outcome is:

a) The environmental scan failed to reveal pent up demand

b) Nobody can possibly read a 1,990 page instruction manual

c) $394,000,000 just doesn’t go as far as it used to

d) Ted Cruz

talkingpoints on October 22, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Typical lying, degenerate Democrat. They break it and then they find someone to blame.

RdLake on October 22, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Leftists LIE.

‘Nuff said.

Galt2009 on October 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM

RightKlik on October 22, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Sad, but true…

CPT. Charles on October 22, 2013 at 10:09 PM

HENRY WAXMAN: Absolutely. There’s no reason for her not to continue on as secretary. She’s done a terrific job. I have a great deal of confidence in her. She doesn’t know about all technicalities. That was contracted out to the private sector, and the private sector with all the money they got, couldn’t develop the website that we needed. It shouldn’t have been done by government, but we should have had more competent people in the private sector, and if anybody’s head should roll, it should be the contractors who didn’t live up to their contractual responsibility.

Spoken from a man who is so well accustomed to spending other people’s money without, more often than not, their permission, and in the billions, and not on projects that help those people but exploit and harm them, that he can only express nonsense when asked about how Capitalism works and why.

He’s a guilded tadpole in a golden pond filled with Leftwing sewage. He just has no.idea about how much of anything functions, is built and managed, than he knows about water engineering.

Lourdes on October 22, 2013 at 10:11 PM

98ZJUSMC on October 22, 2013 at 9:33 PM

I keep visualizing ceiling beams… and piano wire.

CPT. Charles on October 22, 2013 at 10:13 PM

I’m sick of these liberals stating this talking point. The traffic to the site is because the law says they must enroll within 6mos.

Conservative4Ever on October 22, 2013 at 9:54 PM

And it’s a lie at that: blaming “the traffic to the site…” for the site’s failure.

IT’S A CASE OF SERVER CAPACITY. The Dems don’t even admit or most, apparently, aren’t even aware of it.

It is NOT AN ISSUE of “how many people try to access the site” at any one time or ever, at all. That’s just something the Left is saying because they’re all Lying Ferenghis.

Lourdes on October 22, 2013 at 10:15 PM

In other words, Waxman is saying:

“I’m stupid and too vain to admit it. It’s your fault.”

Lourdes on October 22, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Huh. Go figure. If you design and manufacture a product regulated by the Gov’t (FDA, DoD, etc.) and you sub out some or all of the work, they make it damn clear that you are ultimately responsible for the quality/reliability of the product, and have to do whatever it takes to ensure this. No excuses.

Patrick S on October 22, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Waxman has his head so far up his ass, it’s a wonder he can breathe.

GarandFan on October 22, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Every time I can’t find my car I just look in Henry Waxman’s nostrils. And as a BTW, who do you think would win the title of “world’s ugliest man”, Henry Waxman or Alan Colmes? A tough one there..

Moose Drool on October 22, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Waxman is Exhibit A in support of the quote “politics is show business for ugly people.”

JimLennon on October 22, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Not surprising…who do you think a leftist is going to blame.

It is a default position for all things.

No one should be surprised.

William Eaton on October 22, 2013 at 10:54 PM

https://twitter.com/DCDude1776/status/392838132644986880

DC Dude ‏@DCDude1776

@JohnEkdahl @redsteeze Looks like the morons who tried to hide price data on HC dot gov behind a login screen didn’t
https://t.co/AI71GRmgMM

Lourdes on October 22, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Effing Democraps… EVERYTHING that goes wrong is SOMEBODY ELSE’S fault. Eff you, dirtbag.

Marxism is for dummies on October 22, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Judging by the picture on the front page, somebody this dumb was actually allowed into the Capital Rotunda. Pretty scary, folks.

The Nerve on October 22, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Ah, that bastion of truth and credibility, Nostrildamus. The fact that people continue to elect this douche also explains how Prezy Not-My-Fault got elected. Sheesh.

ghostwalker1 on October 22, 2013 at 11:39 PM

This frucker is always stupid…then he opens his mouth to prove it, over and over and over.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Mike Hash, who directs the Office of Health reform at the Department of Health and Human Services, will brief House Democrats Wednesday about implementation of the Affordable Care Act.

Well, at least we know he’s a President of less than half of the People.

unclesmrgol on October 23, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Bmore

Schadenfreude on October 23, 2013 at 12:26 AM

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