HealthCare.Gov’s advertisements descend into self-parody

posted at 1:21 pm on October 22, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Is this real life?

“Pretty easy.” Mm hmm.

“You can be covered, too!” …Er, no, you must be covered, or pay the price of the individual mandate, and the faultiness of the website is currently preventing a whole mess of people from exploring their so-called “options.” Do you think they actually waited until after the start of the enrollment period to find people who had really and truly signed up for plans and then put ads these together, or is this kind of like how the White House shepherded a bunch of enthusiastic would-be enrollees behind the president for a backdrop on Monday morning but only a few of them had actually succeeded in doing so?

Of course, they’re not exactly going to feature the ongoing glitches in their advertisements, and they have no choice but to push hard for people to keep trying — most especially the type of relatively young, able, and healthy-looking people featured in these ads, who might be more easily discouraged or dissuaded from signing up. If only the older, more costly people with more health care needs are motivated to keep at it, it’s going to be bad news bears for the health of the system:

“The system needs to be operating reasonably efficiently — I’m not saying flawlessly — before the middle of November,” says Sandy Praeger, the insurance commissioner of Kansas, one of the 36 states relying on the federal marketplace because legislators there opted not to create their own state-based market. …

“If we’re not seeing a substantial improvement in the next two or three weeks, we’ll be in a bad place,” said Dan Schuyler, director of exchange technology at Leavitt Partners, a consulting firm. “We’re already behind the curve in getting to that 7 million mark.”

The risk in frustrating consumers is that those who are healthy or on the fence about enrolling may give up, leaving only the unhealthy motivated enough to persevere. That could drive up premiums in future years, potentially leading to what experts call “a death spiral,” where only the sickest people sign on.

“The people who will go back will be precisely the ones who need health insurance because they’ve got ongoing problems,” said , an economist at the American Enterprise Institute.


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okay, let’s quit focusing on Obamacare and go back to those republicans and their economy destroying shutdown stat!!

DanMan on October 22, 2013 at 1:25 PM

The devil is in the details, and now it’s emerging that networks will be narrowing along with those high deductibles.

Drained Brain on October 22, 2013 at 1:26 PM

So the right has been lying to me, look how happy these two people are!

neuquenguy on October 22, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Obama couldn’t sell water to a man dying of thirst.

Bitter Clinger on October 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM

The college student is “only” paying about $70 a month. Hmm, when I was in college that $70 a month was put to better use for car insurance and food. I don’t ever remember being sick in college.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 22, 2013 at 1:30 PM

“My plan is awesome! The feds are taking money from others to help pay for my more expensive plan which in turn pays for the care of people that had 40 years to save money.”

WashJeff on October 22, 2013 at 1:31 PM

I’ve got to point it out again. Why are the featured enrollees, Deborah and Daniel, both white? Far less ethnic than is the norm for this administration. Is there a version where “Maria” lauds Obamacare in Spanish? “Muhommad” chatting it up for the Muslim audience? Maybe a rap version for the more “urban” audience.

The fact of the matter is that it seems as if the marketing is targeting whites.

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

But, but, but, we have the brighest minds in Gubbermint working on it.

Wait till they start making those Death Panel decisions. Oh, yummmy.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/10/canada_has_death_panels_and_that_s_a_good_thing.html

Ontario’s Consent and Capacity Board provides an objective process for resolving these difficult, end-of-life dilemmas.

PappyD61 on October 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

The saddest part is that the apparatchiks who are behind these adverts do not see them as being ‘self-parodies’.

Today’s Day by Day touches on the bankruptcy of the Administration and the Ministry of Truth’s report on ‘boot production’….

Athos on October 22, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Obama couldn’t sell water to a man dying of thirst.

Bitter Clinger on October 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM

He’d scare the dying man away with a rant about how that dangerous chemical dihydrogen monoxide will KILL him…

dentarthurdent on October 22, 2013 at 1:33 PM

The college student is “only” paying about $70 a month. Hmm, when I was in college that $70 a month was put to better use for car insurance and food. I don’t ever remember being sick in college.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 22, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Why is a college student signing up anyway?
I thought they can be covered by their parents until age 26 now…..

dentarthurdent on October 22, 2013 at 1:35 PM

It’s the wrong message. To ensnare young people you have to call Obamacare…the next big thing…

srdem65 on October 22, 2013 at 1:35 PM

point of clarification…

the IRS has no authority to enforce the mandate as long as you don’t overpay.

http://www.american.com/archive/2012/july/if-you-dont-buy-insurance-will-you-really-pay-the-tax

dbilly76 on October 22, 2013 at 1:35 PM

The college student is “only” paying about $70 a month.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 22, 2013 at 1:30 PM

With something like a $6000 deductible. What a deal! A healthy young male gets to pay $70 a month in order to fund some 30-year-old’s pregnancy.

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Drudge

OBAMASCARE: WOMAN FALLS ILL IN ROSE GARDEN!
CONSUMER REPORTS: ‘Stay away’…
FOURNIER: Worse Than We Know…
Spanish website completely down…
Woman Featured in Administration Ad Spent 3 Days Enrolling…
Man Spends 4.5 Hours on Phone But Still Can’t Sign Up…
Hannity Gets Through, Operator Says No One Likes It…
WH busted pushing false account of success…
NBA Stars Promote in CA…
CRUZ: ‘Nigerian Email Scammers’ Running Website…
Zero Enrollments in New York?
Democrats warm to ‘delay’…

Rubio just threw the Ds a lifeline. Congratulations, Punk.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2013 at 1:39 PM

There was a time when advertisers needed to submit their new ads to the television networks to be reviewed for veracity before any network would allow the ad to run.

I wonder what happened to that process…

dpduq on October 22, 2013 at 1:40 PM

It’s the wrong message. To ensnare young people you have to call Obamacare…the next big thing…

srdem65 on October 22, 2013 at 1:35 PM

To ensare young people you have to tell them that their parents would disapprove if they were to enroll.

Seriously, I think we’ve just begun to see the real systemic problems with Obamacare. The first biggie is the mix of “Daniels” to older people who are bigger users of healthcare. And you’ve got the fact that in the future you are disputing what you’ve been charged for a hospital stay you can’t withold payment to the IRS the way you can to a private insurance company. And the biggie….. doctors going off of network because of miserly reimbursement rates.

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Rubio just threw the Ds a lifeline. Congratulations, Punk.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2013 at 1:39 PM

I predicted that the GOP would be helping with “fixes”. Happening sooner than I expected.

Bitter Clinger on October 22, 2013 at 1:42 PM

There was a time when advertisers needed to submit their new ads to the television networks to be reviewed for veracity before any network would allow the ad to run.

I wonder what happened to that process…

dpduq on October 22, 2013 at 1:40 PM

It doesn’t apply if the ad is created by the gubmint, or politicians.
They’re all exempt from truth in advertising laws.

dentarthurdent on October 22, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Those commercials remind me of a book I read by some fellow named Orwell.

mjbrooks3 on October 22, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Rubio just threw the Ds a lifeline. Congratulations, Punk.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Remind me again why HA was joyous last week that the GOP caved and went along with full funding of Obamacare.

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 1:44 PM

I think we need to alert the FCC about these ads. They may want to put out a cease and desist order for false advertising. I mean, isn’t our government interested in honesty and transparency?

NOMOBO on October 22, 2013 at 1:45 PM

With something like a $6000 deductible. What a deal! A healthy young male gets to pay $70 a month in order to fund some 30-year-old’s pregnancy.

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 1:36 PM

And I still ask – Why?
According to 0care, students, for that matter all “children” can be covered under their parents’ policy until age 26.
This only makes sense if these college students are orphans.

dentarthurdent on October 22, 2013 at 1:46 PM

I think we need to alert the FCC about these ads. They may want to put out a cease and desist order for false advertising. I mean, isn’t our government interested in honesty and transparency?

NOMOBO on October 22, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Yur fuuuunnnnny!!!

dentarthurdent on October 22, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Some right-leaning PACs should put out ads to counter these, and to discourage young and healthy people from signing up. Oh, I know, the left will cry “sabotage!” Too bad.

All they need to show is the truth. That the plan will cost you more than the penalty, the deductible is so high that you won’t get any benefits unless you get severly sick or injured, and the ER will still take you even if you don’t have insurance.

Then run a snippet or teo of video of talking-heads (left-wing if possible) explaining how the entire program depends on taking money from the young and healthy to subsidize the old and sick.

Young people are naive, not stupid. Obamacare is designed to take advantage of their naivete. A little education will wise them up, and Obamacare will fail.

SwampYankee on October 22, 2013 at 1:49 PM

This only makes sense if these college students are orphans.

dentarthurdent on October 22, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Or their parents don’t want to pay for their free ride any longer.

txhsmom on October 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Work harder

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM

And I still ask – Why?
According to 0care, students, for that matter all “children” can be covered under their parents’ policy until age 26.
This only makes sense if these college students are orphans.

dentarthurdent on October 22, 2013 at 1:46 PM

It’s probably because the parents saw how much their rates were going to go up with Danny still on their insurance. That or maybe Danny no longer lives with his parents so he is required to get his own insurance? I honestly don’t know about the second sentence, what are the requirements? Are people up to 26 only allowed on their parents’ insurance if they still live with them? Was this actually ever discussed?

MobileVideoEngineer on October 22, 2013 at 1:52 PM

When the government ordered me to register for the patch I would need to visibly wear on all my clothing, well let me tell you I was THRILLED!

Answer a few basic questions about my lineage and bingo bango, there was a bright yellow star patch on my doorstep the next day, it was attached to a brick that had been hurled through my front window. Talk about great service.

Bishop on October 22, 2013 at 1:52 PM

These ads are blatantly RACIST! Both of the actors are white. There needs to be an investigation! Immediately!

NOMOBO on October 22, 2013 at 1:53 PM

MobileVideoEngineer on October 22, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Parents probably have to claim them as dependents for the kids to remain on their insurance.

txhsmom on October 22, 2013 at 1:53 PM

And I still ask – Why?
According to 0care, students, for that matter all “children” can be covered under their parents’ policy until age 26.
This only makes sense if these college students are orphans.

dentarthurdent on October 22, 2013 at 1:46 PM

But that means that these young stupid people are not doing their part in helping their fellow Americans. I’m sure Daniel would feel selfish to be sitting on his parents health plan and not pulling his own weight. If we’ve learned anything about the Millenials it is their strong work ethic. /

Seriously, it really doesn’t matter. The math for success of Obamacare don’t work out either way.

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Re the second clip:

If the web site was soooo easy to use, why did she need to call a customer service representative? If she didn’t need to call them, how did she know they were so friendly?

taznar on October 22, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Talk about great service.

Bishop on October 22, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Prepper, you just are getting prepared for the chamber. I see right through your plan.

Bmore on October 22, 2013 at 1:56 PM

These ads are blatantly RACIST! Both of the actors are white. There needs to be an investigation! Immediately!

NOMOBO on October 22, 2013 at 1:53 PM

A couple of Asians were shown on one of the pages Deborah was looking at. That count?

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 1:56 PM

DON’T COVER ME!

Shy Guy on October 22, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Stop conceding their terminology.

The inability to create an account and log onto a website is not a “glitch”. It is a fundamental structural failure of the system.

The Schaef on October 22, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Maybe the patient-dumping first lady can help.

Christien on October 22, 2013 at 1:58 PM

If the web site was soooo easy to use, why did she need to call a customer service representative? If she didn’t need to call them, how did she know they were so friendly?

taznar on October 22, 2013 at 1:55 PM

To personally thank Obama for his awesome healthcare plan- duh!

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Maybe the patient-dumping first lady can help.

Christien on October 22, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Death Panel czarina? Seems a pretty good fit with the only discernible job she seems to have ever held.

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 1:59 PM

It was all fine and dandy in the name of social justice and fairness until it just hit their check registrar—own it libs, ample vaseline to go around to soothe your butthurt…

hillsoftx on October 22, 2013 at 1:59 PM

The Schaef on October 22, 2013 at 1:57 PM

This. “Glitch” and “kink” are deliberately used because they are nebulous, slang terms intended to soft-peddle and sugar-coat the major problems. “Fatal flaw” is more accurate.

Christien on October 22, 2013 at 2:00 PM

I’d assume that a ‘college student’ would be a person USUALLY under the age of 24…….and therefore COVERED BY MOM AND DAD’S POLICY.

GarandFan on October 22, 2013 at 2:01 PM

There is a saying in the South of “Don’t urinate down my back and tell me its raining”. Under that definition, yes – we can all be “covered”.

Kaisersoze on October 22, 2013 at 2:02 PM

They lined up advertising and celebrity endorsements assuming that the web site would function properly.

Now that they find the web site is hosed, they are still running the ads that they produced before the launch.

They probably can’t get any money back from the ad buys that they already purchased, so they are running the ads, truth be damned.

ITguy on October 22, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I’d assume that a ‘college student’ would be a person USUALLY under the age of 24…….and therefore COVERED BY MOM AND DAD’S POLICY.

GarandFan on October 22, 2013 at 2:01 PM

It’s 26. You must be one of those wingnuts who think 26 year olds are capable of taking care of themselves. Think of the children!

mankai on October 22, 2013 at 2:05 PM

The college student showed up in the post about him at National Review last evening.

He currently has health insurance. Health insurance is available to him for about $100/mo (pre ObamaCare). He is not on his parents policy because his mother is on Medicare.

So he went from having adequate and affordable care to….getting $200/month I subsidies and a gold-level plan.

Had he chosen a lesser plan, he still would have received the subsidy over and above the premium price.

But yeah. A kid with insurance is a success because taxpayers are paying $200/mo to save him $40/mo.

MayBee on October 22, 2013 at 2:07 PM

A couple of Asians were shown on one of the pages Deborah was looking at. That count?

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Sure, the minorities are shown in a minor supporting role. If the government were properly sensitive, there would be commercials STARRING a black woman, an asian man, a gay, a lesbian couple, an elderly hispanic woman, and a high school age transexual. And the whities would be in the minor supporting roles.

I am sickened by the blatant racism being exhibited by Obamascare.

NOMOBO on October 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM

And wow, that guy got a great plan for only $70/month because he’s a student.

So what is your deductible, Danno?

Who pays for everything else that your $70/mo doesn’t cover?

Have you tried inputting the numbers as a non-student to see what sort of great coverage you’ll have without that protection?

Bishop on October 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM

The business next door to mine just got their new quote, The hardcore Democrat/Superlibs were not happy. In fact they were beside themselves with anger. The couple will get to keep their $1,000 a month premium. But their $45 copay per visit has morphed into a $6,000 per year deductible prior to any coverage. $6,000. In other words their policy is now only for catastrophic care. This couple was ecstatic when Obamacare passed. Obamabots. And they cannot blame the insurance company because it is a nonprofit co-op, one of the most respected in America.
But the news only gets better. A letter accompanied the notice saying that they can expect a dramatic rise in the premium also. Our office got that same letter, but our policy only went up 25% with a copay.

pat on October 22, 2013 at 2:13 PM

You must be one of those wingnuts who think 26 year olds are capable of taking care of themselves. Think of the children!

mankai on October 22, 2013 at 2:05 PM

By the time I was 26, I had completed college, served five years in the military, started on my Masters degree, and purchased my first home. I really don’t have much respect for this prolonged mooching off of mommy and/or daddy.

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

The business next door to mine just got their new quote, The hardcore Democrat/Superlibs were not happy. In fact they were beside themselves with anger. The couple will get to keep their $1,000 a month premium. But their $45 copay per visit has morphed into a $6,000 per year deductible prior to any coverage. $6,000. In other words their policy is now only for catastrophic care.

pat on October 22, 2013 at 2:13 PM

I wonder if they’ve made the causal connection between their added costs and all the stuff that their co-op now has to cover thanks to Obamacare.

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Create a ‘mandate’ for everyone to be ‘insured’

Then create a website to run an ‘exchange’ and screw it up so badly that no one can sign on to it and even if you can the insurance companies don’t know if they are getting data.

Set up call centers for a ridiculous website that can’t actually do what its supposed to do.

Then have the call center refer you back to the website.

Spend money on ads to encourage people to use a website that doesn’t work to go to a call center that sends you back to the website.

Now see that because the government created a mandate that cannot be fulfilled via the government’s website that people will get a ‘penalty’ to pay for something they can’t buy.

The next step after that is a class action law suit of epic proportions.

In lawsuit happy America we now have the grand spectacle of lawyers suing the government for demanding people do the impossible that the government promised could be done. This is breach of promise on the part of the US government.

Perhaps the government would like to unilaterally break the contract and withdraw the whole thing? Nah, Obama had THAT CHANCE ALREADY. Sorry, Barry, your lifeline has expired.

ajacksonian on October 22, 2013 at 2:21 PM

I’d assume that a ‘college student’ would be a person USUALLY under the age of 24…….and therefore COVERED BY MOM AND DAD’S POLICY.

GarandFan on October 22, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Ya – usually.
There are those career students who are 30, still in school for another masters or PhD, and have never yet held a real job in the real world. I’ve known a few.

I’ve actually just been dealing with this particular situation of getting the kids off my insurance. My youngest got his own insurance through Costco 2 years ago at age 19, and I also stopped claiming him as a dependent. My oldest stayed a dependent and on my insurance until just this month (at age 23) since he was still a college student. I just dropped him as well since he now has his own employer sponsored.

dentarthurdent on October 22, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Just as I suspected:

Only Whites need sign up. Everyone else is on Medicaid apparently.

Dack Thrombosis on October 22, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Hank Johnson to the white phone STAT….

I think this thing is gonna turn over & capsize

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg

roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 22, 2013 at 2:25 PM

By the time I was 26, I had completed college, served five years in the military, started on my Masters degree, and purchased my first home. I really don’t have much respect for this prolonged mooching off of mommy and/or daddy.

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Yup – things have changed.
I was in the military and out from under my parents for everything at age 17. By 26 I was getting out of the AF, had all my own insurance of all kinds, had bought my own cars, and had already bought my own first house.

But I’m still paying for my boys’ car insurance, 2/5 of a car loan, and cell phones (family plan).
But not their health insurance!!!

dentarthurdent on October 22, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Once again White people are expected to sacrifice while everyone else skates by on handouts.

Dack Thrombosis on October 22, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Once again White people are expected to sacrifice while everyone else skates by on handouts.

Dack Thrombosis on October 22, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Is that what they meant by “the white man’s burden”?
I always wondered about that…..

dentarthurdent on October 22, 2013 at 2:34 PM

His college probably had to drop their student health plan, because it didn’t comply with the ACA. So hey Daniel – you could be paying a lot less for your insurance – if only the ACA didn’t force your college to drop its coverage. Cool, huh?

Hill60 on October 22, 2013 at 2:36 PM

The college dude is actually the 2nd attempt, in the 1st try they used Jeantel but figured that people would be dissuaded when she was unable to even turn the monitor on.

“How the f**k does this mofacky thing work? Piece o’ shiite cracka computer!”

Bishop on October 22, 2013 at 2:38 PM

The college student is “only” paying about $70 a month. Hmm, when I was in college that $70 a month was put to better use for car insurance and food. I don’t ever remember being sick in college.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 22, 2013 at 1:30 PM

the college student is only paying $70, the plan is actually $270/month so WE are footing the other $200. here’s some info on dan and his background

chasdal on October 22, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Enrollee Featured in Healthcare.gov Video Spent Three Days Trying to Enroll

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361887/enrollee-featured-healthcaregov-video-spent-three-days-trying-enroll-sterling-beard

Nineball on October 22, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Let me just raise the BS flag on these and any other ad they roll out. You know damn well they will never show an ad that shows what really is going on. The rays of sunshine truth will never fall upon this administration – Ever!

D-fusit on October 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM

You are all looking at it the wrong way. As Roberts said, it is constitutional because it is a tax.

So — the computing systems don’t work. If you call the help desk has to use the computing system that doesn’t work. Ergo, you don’t sign up. Result — you get charged a penalty tax by the IRS and you still don’t have healthcare coverage. But the government gets to keep the tax.

See? It’s a tax.

SunSword on October 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM

The risk in frustrating consumers is that those who are healthy or on the fence about enrolling may give up, leaving only the unhealthy motivated enough to persevere. That could drive up premiums in future years, potentially leading to what experts call “a death spiral,” where only the sickest people sign on.

“The people who will go back will be precisely the ones who need health insurance because they’ve got ongoing problems,” said , an economist at the American Enterprise Institute.

The money quote. This was exactly the plan. Single payer is on the way.

goflyers on October 22, 2013 at 3:01 PM

By the time I was 26, I had completed college, served five years in the military, started on my Masters degree, and purchased my first home. I really don’t have much respect for this prolonged mooching off of mommy and/or daddy.

Happy Nomad on October 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

I hear ya’ brother. These kids are freeloaders by our generation’s definition. But they feel like they are completely entititled to suck the teat well into adulthood. I was a friggin’ doctor by the time I was 24, and am going to be working well into my 70′s to pay for all these brain dead youngsters.

NOMOBO on October 22, 2013 at 3:11 PM

I hear ya’ brother. These kids are freeloaders by our generation’s definition. But they feel like they are completely entititled to suck the teat well into adulthood. I was a friggin’ doctor by the time I was 24, and am going to be working well into my 70′s to pay for all these brain dead youngsters.

NOMOBO on October 22, 2013 at 3:11 PM

It doesn’t help when you have “researchers” in Europe saying that adolescence could last up until the age of 30 in some people. Back in Biblical times there was no such thing as adolescence. You were a child and then you were an adult. The whole point of rituals like Bar/Bat Mitzvahs and Quinceañeras was to celebrate a child becoming an adult and these are done at 12 and 15.

The longer you treat someone like a child, the longer they will act like a child.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 22, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Sure, the minorities are shown in a minor supporting role. If the government were properly sensitive, there would be commercials STARRING a black woman, an asian man, a gay, a lesbian couple, an elderly hispanic woman, and a high school age transexual. And the whities would be in the minor supporting roles.

I am sickened by the blatant racism being exhibited by Obamascare.

NOMOBO on October 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Intentional. The kids in the ads represent the ones most likely to be working out of college and the most needed to bankroll Obamacare. The appeal is directed to their demographic, “diversity” be hanged. These are the future “givers.”

Unemployment rates for 16-24 year-olds (noninstitutional population)/BLS:
white: 17.2
black: 26
asian 44.3 (remember, these are stats for that part of the demographic NOT in college or military)
latin: 19.5

de rigueur on October 22, 2013 at 3:32 PM

But yeah. A kid with insurance is a success because taxpayers are paying $200/mo to save him $40/mo.

MayBee on October 22, 2013 at 2:07 PM

That last part sums of Obamacare pretty well. For all “known” costs (from physicals to birth control) we will all be forced to pay higher premiums to cover overhead & a little profit.

Its like buying car “insurance” to cover the cost of oil changes and tires.

taznar on October 22, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Nice that both Alaskan ObamaCare enlistees agreed to do the PSAs.

bmmg39 on October 22, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Its like buying car “insurance” to cover the cost of oil changes and tires.

taznar on October 22, 2013 at 3:33 PM

That is a most prescient statement, and that is the basic problem with the perception of medical “insurance” among the population. People get fried when they have a “co-payment” or their “insurance” doesn’t cover the entire cost of the procedure. I have used the logic of how much you would pay for auto insurance if they covered oil changes and car washes, but most people cannot or refuse to make the connection.

Unfortunately, our society has degenerated into people who want everything for no cost. I am tired arguing with them that if you get something for nothing you have paid too much, but that is a whole other thread.

NOMOBO on October 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM

At 26 I was head of a State law enforcement unit. Things really have changed.

pat on October 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM

“At 47, I destroyed the most successful and powerful country in the world…”/0bumble

dentarthurdent on October 22, 2013 at 5:15 PM

That is a most prescient statement, and that is the basic problem with the perception of medical “insurance” among the population. People get fried when they have a “co-payment” or their “insurance” doesn’t cover the entire cost of the procedure. I have used the logic of how much you would pay for auto insurance if they covered oil changes and car washes, but most people cannot or refuse to make the connection.

Unfortunately, our society has degenerated into people who want everything for no cost. I am tired arguing with them that if you get something for nothing you have paid too much, but that is a whole other thread.

NOMOBO on October 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM

On top of that, nobody seems to understand the difference between states “forcing” people to buy car insurance and the federal government forcing people to buy health insurance. Car insurance is bought to protect others and not the driver of the car. If you are financing the car you need full coverage to protect the bank that still technically owns the car. If you own the car outright you still need liability to protect the other drivers/property owners. Health insurance is strictly for yourself.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 22, 2013 at 6:03 PM

The young, healthy people who sign up will be those cowed by the penalties. That’s all it is.

David Blue on October 22, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Once again White people are expected to sacrifice while everyone else skates by on handouts.

Dack Thrombosis on October 22, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Is that what they meant by “the white man’s burden”?
I always wondered about that…..

dentarthurdent on October 22, 2013 at 2:34 PM

It does appear that “reparations” are being extracted and a new plantation system established. There are racial/racist elements to Obamacare.

It does seem that parts of our society are expected to work hard and pay for the lifestyle of another part of our society.

I seem to be paying the cost of both my own and other peoples’:

* Food
* Housing
* Medical Care
* Cell Phones
* Education
* etc.

ITguy on October 23, 2013 at 8:40 AM