Video: White House not being honest about ObamaCare problems, says Ezra Klein; Update: Obama blames Republicans, shutdown

posted at 12:31 pm on October 21, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Give Ezra Klein plenty of credit for intellectual honesty about a program that he supported for years from his perch at the Washington Post.  In his appearance on Morning Joe today, Mika Brzezinski introduced Klein with a reference to the Healthcare.gov site’s “glitches,” but Klein corrects her.  They’re not just glitches, and the front end of the website is not the real problem (via The Corner):

The Washington Post’s Ezra Klein warned that the Obama administration is underplaying the problems facing its online exchanges by simply labeling them “glitches.” Ironically, according to Klein, the websites’ incapacity to handle Internet traffic is actually preventing users from encountering what may be the sites’ biggest problem.

“These aren’t glitches,” Klein said on Morning Joe on Monday. “The website, to a first approximation, simply isn’t working.”

He explained that the more fixable problem facing the website was dealing with traffic. The bigger problem, according to Klein, was whether the right information was being sent to insurers after users enroll, including messages that users hadn’t yet enrolled even if they had.

“That is a problem, I think, that the Obama administration is and should be worried about,” he said.

Worried? Try “frightened,” Ron Fournier argues at National Journal.  After all, setting up a website should be the easy part:

2. This is the easy part. Finding and motivating people to take action online is the founding strength of Team Obama. This is what they do best.Managing a complex law is a different matter, and it’s fair to question whether the president and his team are up to it.

How do you convince healthy young Americans to pay for insurance they may not need in order to fund the program? Do companies shed workers and working hours to avoid coming under the law? Are people with cheap catastrophic plans forced to pay more in the exchanges? Tricky questions likes these will soon make the hard art of website design look like fingerpainting. “The online federal health care exchange, the heart of the Obamacare project, is such a rolling catastrophe that it may end up creating a major policy fiasco immediately rather than eventually,” wrote Ross Douthat in a New York Times column titled, ”Obamacare, Failing Ahead of Schedule.”

Fournier agrees with Klein that the Obama administration isn’t being honest about the problem, and that their lack of transparency should be just as embarrassing as it is maddening.  He points out the same problem of passing bad data, and then scoffs at the White House claims that it can’t produce the proper metrics on enrollment:

The administration refuses to say how many people have enrolled through the federal exchange, the key metric for determining how well the online service is working in states that didn’t set up their own exchanges. There are two possible explanations for the Obama administration’s unconscionable lack of transparency. Their process is so screwed up that they don’t have the data, which would be embarrassing. Or they have the data – and it’s embarrassing.

The incompetence of the rollout is embarrassing no matter how one approaches it.  When it embarrasses longtime supporters like Klein badly enough to publicly call out the administration, then we know just how embarrassing it is — and how much it damages the big-government philosophy that drove it.

Update: Talk about dishonest — did Obama actually blame the shutdown? Yes, he did:

“About three weeks ago, as the federal government shutdown, and the Affordable Care Act’s health insurance marketplaces opened up across the country,” said Obama. “Well, we’ve now gotten the government back open for the American people and today I want to talk about how were going to get the marketplaces running at full steam as well.”

Say what? The White House had three and a half years to get this ready, and it rolled out on the same day as the shutdown.  The website issues existed long before the shutdown, and the Obama administration was well aware of them before the shutdown and decided to proceed anyway.  Talk about spin.


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So this was about Klein covering his ass for the future.

ignatzk on October 21, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Are you just pulling our leg or did they actually come out of their collective coma today?

txhsmom on October 21, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Sorry, it was so absurd, I thought everyone would know it was a joke. I apologize. Should have used the /.

d1carter on October 21, 2013 at 1:40 PM

But, you see, we want to believe……

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 21, 2013 at 2:08 PM

And your proof that this has been going on would be…

DethMetalCookieMonst on October 21, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Of course, Verbaluce is correct. You’d think that, with “millions” of people being harmed by Obamacare, Hannity could have found three that were not stupid, ignorant, mendacious, delusional, or some combination thereof.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 2:08 PM

verbaluce on October 21, 2013 at 12:59 PM

 
Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please.
 
rogerb on October 21, 2013 at 1:12 PM

 
Weird. It seems like such an easy question.

rogerb on October 21, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Obamacare Will Increase Health Spending By $7,450 For A Typical Family of Four

Resist We Much on October 21, 2013 at 2:04 PM

It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

Athos on October 21, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Fox28 reported:

Tuesday, FOX28 talked with owners of the Bonnie Doon plant and downtown Mishawaka location. They tell us there are many reasons for the shutdown such as the declining economy and the rise in production costs. But the number one factor? The anticipated cost of the Affordable Care Act.

Adam Carroll is owner of the Lincolnway Bonnie Doon. Even though the Bonnie Doon Plant and downtown location are closing, he says he’s not going anywhere. “I’ve been with the company for 21 years, it was my first job and I started working for them when I was 14.”

He says the closing plant means he has to find a new ice cream supplier. “With the Obamacare it just will affect the businesses too much so that was their main reason for shutting down the ice cream plant at this time.”

FOX28 talked with the CFO who confirmed the anticipation of the Affordable Care Act played a large part in the shut down, something Kyle Hannon, Elkhart Chamber of Commerce President says many small businesses are wrestling with. “Our businesses have been concerned, kind of wondering ‘how much is this going to cost? How is it going to impact us?”

Bonnie Doon was a 75 year-old ice cream company.

Resist We Much on October 21, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Since when was this administration ever concerned about “transparency” other than to jawbone about it?

Jeff Weimer on October 21, 2013 at 1:59 PM

It’s the thought that counts.

Dr. Frank Enstine on October 21, 2013 at 2:11 PM

In the meantime, Fox will continue to make up stories about … businesses being shut down.
(If indeed it’s all so bad – why do they make stuff up?)

verbaluce on October 21, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Cite your evidence.

davidk on October 21, 2013 at 1:24 PM

No evidence of any businesses being shut down because of the ACA.
I think you’re forgetting some of the chicken little shrieking of the last few years?

verbaluce on October 21, 2013 at 1:56 PM

You claim that Fox is manufacturing stories about businesses shutting down because of obamacare. Can you substantiate that claim?

And can you cite examples of “some of the chicken little shrieking of the last few years” where anyone said that obamacare wouls shut down businesses?

davidk on October 21, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Before his speech, I was thinking of posting a comment to the “Open thread: Obama speech on fixing the totally groovy success of Healthcare.gov” to predict that Obama would blame the bad rollout on Republicans and the shutdown.

ITguy on October 21, 2013 at 1:43 PM

If I recall correctly, over the last couple of weeks quite a few here said he would blame the repubs and the shutdown. Alas I was not one of them. I said he would blame Bush and the T.E.A. party.

Dr. Frank Enstine on October 21, 2013 at 1:48 PM

That’s next week.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 21, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Too many people are missing the point that the whole thing is a mess – like Starlink said – a giant ponzi scheme where in reality everyone gets screwed.

dentarthurdent on October 21, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Point taken. What scares me is that people LIKE Ponzi schemes. Until they fail. And the failure will be spectacular and hurt so many. We need to stop this now before it gets to that point.

Looking at it in a positive sense, though, it may be all academic at this point. I’ve worked on a lot of high profile IT projects here in Seattle and I can assure you that if the enrollment process doesn’t work then people will abandon the product and not return. If they’re fined for doing that then my guess is they will rebel against the person fining them.

kcewa on October 21, 2013 at 2:12 PM

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/inside_the_fox_news_lie_machine_i_fact_checked_sean_hannity_on_obamacare/

Sorry, link

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Ahhh – salon.com – that untainted hall of journalistic integrity…./

dentarthurdent on October 21, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Bonnie Doon was a 75 year-old ice cream company.
Resist We Much on October 21, 2013 at 2:10 PM

That’s not evidence. Evidence requires that you provide, uhh, uhh,…stuff.

tommyboy on October 21, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Looking at it in a positive sense, though, it may be all academic at this point. I’ve worked on a lot of high profile IT projects here in Seattle and I can assure you that if the enrollment process doesn’t work then people will abandon the product and not return. If they’re fined for doing that then my guess is they will rebel against the person fining them.

kcewa on October 21, 2013 at 2:12 PM

We can hope…. for a change….

The vast majority of libtard voters who just love 0barky and 0care will need to get hit in the face with the reality shovel before they get a clue that they’ve been screwed.

See typical posts here by the usual trolls – who either cannot yet see reality, or are part of the scam to begin with.

dentarthurdent on October 21, 2013 at 2:16 PM

More Obama apologists in the lamestream media are growing in concern not only over the Obamacare train wreck, but the incompetent manner in which the WH is addressing the problem…

One example is the CBS News Political Director John Dickerson who appeared this morning on CBS This Morning….

….saying that the Obama WH risked a ‘credibility death spiral’ over the ‘total fiasco’ of Healthcare.gov…and even admitting that Republican complaints about the ACA and the President ‘have some merit’….

DICKERSON: [H]e’s [Obama] trying to fix more than just a political black eye, because there’s a point where these problems could threaten the entire enterprise…the success of the President’s health care plan depends on signing up those younger Americans – so that insurance pools don’t just get filled up with older, sicker Americans, which would increase the premiums. And the website’s functioning was crucial to that – not just to get people signed up – but also to start the flow of positive stories through social media, which is where those younger, harder-to-reach Americans are. The idea was that people would get lured into signing up after hearing a flood of great stories about how easy it was to sign up, how the subsidies were going to lower your premiums. But that’s not the story people are hearing. To the extent they’re hearing anything, it’s that this program is a mess.

O’Donnell followed up by noting that President Obama “initially…said this was like a glitch, and compared it to Apple rolling out its new operating system”, and wondered, “Why the shift in tone?” Dickerson replied with his “total fiasco” label and “credibility death spiral” phrase, and continued with his acknowledgment that the conservative critique had “some merit”. He soon added that “the problem is that it’s one false promise after another, and that could be a big, big problem.”

Many of us have wondered just how far major elements of the lamestream media would go to sacrifice their credibility in order to defend the progressive agenda and initiatives. I’ve wondered at what point will they, in an effort to save the credibility of the big government agenda, would start to toss Obama under the bus in order to put the blame on the implementation – and not on the vision of big government being the solution.

But as they go this way, I suspect that the lamestream media will focus far more on the establishment GOP as being the one’s who were ‘right’ than on the Ted Cruz’s of the GOP being right.

Athos on October 21, 2013 at 2:18 PM

verbie is being covered up with “evidence”.

Now she can’t type any more, you nasty people of HA.

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Bonnie Doon was a 75 year-old ice cream company.
Resist We Much on October 21, 2013 at 2:10 PM

It is obvious that the ice cream company couldn’t compete in today’s marketplace.

All Obamacare does is forces businesses to close who have no right competing to begin with.

At least that will be the mantra of the left for each company that is forced out of business due to costs assosciated with the ACA.

We’re going to have to point to entire industries that are forced to shut down in order to “prove” to liberals that the ACA is bad for businesses.

Notice how none of the larger ice cream companies aren’t shutting down? They can absorb the additional costs of compliance.

Obamacare. Drying up pesky competition from small businesses since 2013…

weaselyone on October 21, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Maybe another person from Reykjavik phoned the call center.

Christien on October 21, 2013 at 2:21 PM

I understand that Susan Rice believes these problems exist because someone told her that all the traffic is routed through YouTube.

BKeyser on October 21, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Yeah, the waivers for business, and the reason behind them go completely over verbasloopy’s head.

Busy day today at that busy operations of your’s, ‘sloopy?

oldroy on October 21, 2013 at 2:21 PM

First the Idiot in Chief and his Nurse Ratched hire a Canadian company,…
Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Whut? Idiot in Chief and Nurse Ratched don’t even speak Canadian.

ziggyville on October 21, 2013 at 2:22 PM

President Obama acknowledged problems with the health-law website but said that the law’s overall potential shouldn’t be measured by the website’s rocky start.

Well, for once I agree. The laws potential should be measured by the fact it is bankrupting businesses, creating unemployment, condemning people to part-time work instead of full-time work and destroying our world-leading health care system.

And let’s not conflate “sigh-up” with “purchasing”. Because the latter is not occurring in any meaningful way.

Marcus Traianus on October 21, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Update: Talk about dishonest — did Obama actually blame the shutdown? Yes, he did

lol so predictable. Frankly I’m surprised he didn’t flat-out blame the Koch brothers.

JetBoy on October 21, 2013 at 2:23 PM

This isn’t “spin,” it’s evil. But predictable evil. Is there any doubt now that Obama wanted the shutdown? And the republicans abet it by implicitly accepting blame for the shutdown. Evil on one side, cowardly idiocy on the other. God, what a state to be in.

Notice how Obaam couches it all — with a parallelism about the shutdown without actually blaming it? Evil.

rrpjr on October 21, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Former WH / Obama Campaign Spinmeister, David Axelrod, fires off incredibly juvenile tweet highlighting the dishonest spin being foisted on American people….

“Isn’t it ironic that the most ardent opponents of the Affordable Care Act are now complaining that people can’t sign up fast enough?”

The indomitable Iowahawk sends back a couple of clue-by-fours….

- “No, irony is that its most ardent supporters demand waivers.”
- “No, irony is calling it ‘Affordable.’”

Some other responses highlighted by Newsbusters…

Dave Boccio: “Isn’t it ironic that law supposed to provide health insurance is causing people to lose theirs?”

Rick Wilson: “All the cutesy sarcasm in the world won’t polish your quarter-trillion $, Kafkaesque online turd into a diamond, hoss.”

Barbara McMahon: “it’s ironic you’re gloating over an #epicfail.”

Athos on October 21, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Whut? Idiot in Chief and Nurse Ratched don’t even speak Canadian.

ziggyville on October 21, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Well, he doesn’t speak Austrian either.

For being so “eclectic” he sure is a linguistic dummy.

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Athos on October 21, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Irony is calling it (obama) care.

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Stephen Gutowski ‏@collegepolitico 1h

There are a total of 51 plans available to me on http://eHealthInsurance.com that are cheaper than the cheapest plan on http://Healthcare.gov
Retweeted by David Burge

davidk on October 21, 2013 at 2:28 PM

T

he vast majority of libtard voters who just love 0barky and 0care will need to get hit in the face with the reality shovel before they get a clue that they’ve been screwed.

Yep. Not sure the reality shovel will do them any good either. The clown got about 30-35% of the eligible vote considering that turnout was 60 some percent.

The 40% who don’t vote want to be left alone – asking them to pay for an expansion of medicaid and then fining them if they don’t may be all it takes to get them involved.

kcewa on October 21, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Irony is that obama and his clan are not on it.

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 2:29 PM

First the Idiot in Chief and his Nurse Ratched hire a Canadian company,…
Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Whut? Idiot in Chief and Nurse Ratched don’t even speak Canadian.

ziggyville on October 21, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Chiefs 7-0

davidk on October 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM

lol so predictable. Frankly I’m surprised he didn’t flat-out blame the Koch brothers.

JetBoy on October 21, 2013 at 2:23 PM

I’m surprised he didn’t blame Romneycare.

kcewa on October 21, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Prezzy Oblamo realllllly didn’t say it was the fault of the shutdown but he implied it. Words have meaning.

Kissmygrits on October 21, 2013 at 2:35 PM

His implication is good enough for the lsm and Juanito Williams to run with it. All right, Beckel, listen up. Here’s your walkin’ and talkin’ orders for the day.

Kissmygrits on October 21, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Talk about spin.

Talk about lying your patootie off. But, that’s our Barack!

KS Rex on October 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 2:09 PM

In 1982 Welles described Mr. Arkadin as the “biggest disaster” of his life

LegendHasIt on October 21, 2013 at 2:40 PM

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 2h

Who’s keeping you from your free unicorns? SABOTEURS.
Expand

davidk on October 21, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Irony is that obama and his clan are not on it.

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Ya – soooo convenient how they exempted themselves and their cronies from this “wonderful fantastic” program…..

dentarthurdent on October 21, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Irony is that obama and his clan are not on it.
Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 2:29 PM

I think it is Wilkow who always says something like:

Socialism is for the peasants, not for the socialists.

LegendHasIt on October 21, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Former WH / Obama Campaign Spinmeister, David Axelrod, fires off incredibly juvenile tweet highlighting the dishonest spin being foisted on American people….
 

“Isn’t it ironic that the most ardent opponents of the Affordable Care Act are now complaining that people can’t sign up fast enough?”

 
Athos on October 21, 2013 at 2:26 PM

 
Because only idiots would be trying to figure out how much they should reduce their monthly grocery allowance, education savings, or 401K investments.
 
Take your time, guys. Heck, you’ve got months to worry about how much it decreases your food budget.

rogerb on October 21, 2013 at 2:44 PM

“Well, we’ve now gotten the government back open for the American people and today I want to talk about how were going to get the marketplaces running at full steam as well.”

So we have a federal government that can’t walk and chew gum at the same time. Yay Us!

monalisa on October 21, 2013 at 2:45 PM

In the meantime, Fox will continue to make up stories about what folks have to pay or businesses being shut down.
(If indeed it’s all so bad – why do they make stuff up?)

verbaluce on October 21, 2013 at 12:59 PM

http://www.dailyjobcuts.com

VibrioCocci on October 21, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Socialism is for the peasants, not for the socialists.
LegendHasIt on October 21, 2013 at 2:42 PM

And the peasants are revolting.

A phrase which actually applies fairly well to the current situation from both sides / perspectives….

dentarthurdent on October 21, 2013 at 2:47 PM

http://www.dailyjobcuts.com
VibrioCocci on October 21, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Another of them Faux – RightWingnut- Rethuglican- teabagger propaganda sites.

/s

LegendHasIt on October 21, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Talk about spin.

Unprecedented. I forget, who’d Nero blame for Rome burning? Oh yeah, it was Bush.

onomo on October 21, 2013 at 2:51 PM

And the peasants are revolting.
dentarthurdent on October 21, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Back decades ago when I was in the army, and quite an elitist myself, I had a Wizard of ID T-Shirt that I proudly wore to insult the REMF guys back at ‘home base’.

LegendHasIt on October 21, 2013 at 2:54 PM

I always wondered where do they get those human puppets/props that they put there in the background when he speaks, I mean who exactly are those idiots…this is such an old commie thing, the need to project the appearance that the regime has the support of the people/puppets…what I find most ridiculous is how these people lend their bodies (I assume there’s no brain behind them) to such preposterous PR circuses, it’s 21st century, for chrissake…this is soo 60s, even modern commies (see China a.o.) don’t use this outdated propaganda tool anymore…but then this idiot is stuck in an idylic protests and class-warfare 60s that exists only in his head…

jimver on October 21, 2013 at 2:57 PM

President Truman “The buck stops here.”

President Obama “Its the Republican’s fault.”

spec_ops_mateo on October 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Aside from the ‘glitches’, the big thing they’re going to have to fix is having the site run like the old ‘click here to see your low rate!’ insurance popups – only to find that you have 6 pages to fill out and then at the end instead of getting a rate, you’re asked to fill out your contact info so someone can be in touch.
But this will get fixed.
In the meantime, Fox will continue to make up stories about what folks have to pay or businesses being shut down.
(If indeed it’s all so bad – why do they make stuff up?)

verbaluce on October 21, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Aside from the ‘glitches’,

There are massive structural problems that have been identified, both with the design, and its’ underlying code. These problems, which can no more be called ‘glitches’ than an amputated limb can be called a ‘flesh wound,’ will need to be fixed, first. Fox,WSJ, WaPo, NYT have all reported on this; no need to try and claim conservative news bias, tool.

instead of getting a rate, you’re asked to fill out your contact info so someone can be in touch.

So, why didn’t they design it so that filling in a group of fields would get a rate? We can do this with al manner of insurance products, car rental rates, complex multi-stop vacation itineraries – why not health insurance?

But this will get fixed.

When? Folks who are interested need to be signed up, before February 15th, or they will pay a penalty. When will it be fixed?

In the meantime, Fox will continue to make up stories about what folks have to pay or businesses being shut down.
(If indeed it’s all so bad – why do they make stuff up?)

Prove any little bit of this statement.

massrighty on October 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM

I see no problem. It simply boils down to the simple fact that …

ObamaCare is racist

J_Crater on October 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM

but then this idiot is stuck in an idylic protests and class-warfare 60s that exists only in his head…

jimver on October 21, 2013 at 2:57 PM

I beg to differ – it now exists throughout government policy.

dentarthurdent on October 21, 2013 at 3:04 PM

I see no problem. It simply boils down to the simple fact that …

ObamaCare is racist

J_Crater on October 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Funny you should say that:

Obamacare Seeks to Segregate Patients/Doctors by Race

totherightofthem on October 21, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Aside from the ‘glitches’,

verbaluce on October 21, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Glitches…

the big thing they’re going to have to fix is having the site run like the old ‘click here to see your low rate!’ insurance popups – only to find that you have 6 pages to fill out and then at the end instead of getting a rate, you’re asked to fill out your contact info so someone can be in touch.
But this will get fixed.

Are you really this Fluking stupid. Or are you so damn dishonest that you will say the most idiotic things just to support your position? This was designed this way to conceal pricing! This is one thing about the site that will never change.

In the meantime, Fox will continue to make up stories about what folks have to pay or businesses being shut down.
(If indeed it’s all so bad – why do they make stuff up?)

What are they making up?

Ed –
You mean the websites aren’t working perfectly on day one twenty one fifty six one hundred twe… eleventy billion?!?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

NotCoach on October 21, 2013 at 3:18 PM

did Obama actually blame the shutdown? Yes, he did:

It’s a fallback position with the Lefties.

I was traveling with a tour group of well-educated (in terms of credentials) people through much of the slowdown, and I could not believe the nonsense that they were spewing. When I asked my dining companions how they were personally affected by the slowdown, I was literally told to “shut up.” There was to be no talking politics at the dinner table, even though others had already introduced the topic with lamentations.

I actually had my fastest TSA screenings at assorted airports during this slowdown. What a joke!

onlineanalyst on October 21, 2013 at 3:19 PM

The GOP Establishment and its media shills, at best, do not understand that the best defense is a good offense… or at worst are covertly and overtly enabling the Big Govt. agenda.

TheRightMan on October 21, 2013 at 12:59 PM

The GOP Establishment just thinks it can run the metastatic Administrative State better than the Democrats. The Republican Party long ago forgot that they are the small-government party. It is a very leaky vessel in which to put our hopes.

cheeflo on October 21, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Tuesday, FOX28 talked with owners of the Bonnie Doon plant and downtown Mishawaka location. They tell us there are many reasons for the shutdown such as the declining economy and the rise in production costs. But the number one factor? The anticipated cost of the Affordable Care Act.

So yeah, they are closing the company, not because of an unwieldy cost structure, or because of a crappy economy, but because of the anticipated cost of Obamacare.

Sure. That’s exactly why you shut down a business and lay off a bunch of people who have been working for you forever. Because of anticipated costs.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:21 PM

I see no problem. It simply boils down to the simple fact that …

ObamaCare is racist

J_Crater on October 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Funny you should say that:

Obamacare Seeks to Segregate Patients/Doctors by Race

totherightofthem on October 21, 2013 at 3:10 PM

I think that’s what alot of this Ezra dance is about. Don’t pay attention to the fact that this program will run based on your color and party affiliation.
Unlike all of the other programs of this administration that has functioned based on… wait for it… elephant in the room… your color and party affiliation.

onomo on October 21, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Seriously – HE GETS A PAYCHECK FROM GEORGE SOROS!!
What’s it take to get you to understand that?

williamg on October 21, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Um…. take two large steps back away and out of my face, OK?

Take your tone and shove it straight up your a$$, my friend. If I want to harass and harangue the fellow, I will. If you want to DEFEND him, then by all means, get in my face. If not, then kindly keep that shit to yourself, or – I dunno – direct it at HIM.

Midas on October 21, 2013 at 1:26 PM

I DID - since your FACE the other part of your Body mentioned by you are interchangable because your head is so far UP your intestinal colon that your HEART is BEATING THE SH**T out of your BRAINS!!

It’s called Cardio-Cranial Thrombosis.

People like verbaluce are sent here in DROVES under Soros’s payment to foment contempt, spread disinformation and obfuscate the truth.

Seriously.

Oh – and get over yourself…….

williamg on October 21, 2013 at 3:23 PM

I hate Obama as much as the next libertarian, but I’m not so sure this video actually proves he was blaming the shutdown for the Obamacare problems by mentioning them side-by-side. Sure, ignorant progressives may make that assumption, but I don’t think this actually shows him going so far as to make that leap in logic for them.

So, for the sake of honesty, I think the “Update” headline should be revised. There may come a day when Obama really does try to lay the blame for Obamacare at the feet of the Republicans, and I don’t want that moment to be diluted by prior wolf-crying.

TBSchemer on October 21, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:21 PM

The stupid is strong in this one – I suspected another troll, now I know for sure.

22044 on October 21, 2013 at 3:25 PM

davidk on October 21, 2013 at 2:20 PM

The study, done by the Heritage Foundation, uses a model to estimate what premium rates have been previously and what the new rates would be, using census data and averages provided by the Department of Health and Human Services.

So, Heritage didn’t actually go to the exchanges to see what the new rates are, they used “models”. In other words, they made stuff up.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:26 PM

By all means start quoting Ezra Klein, who is a Socialist and an advocate of single-payer. He wants this thing to fail, just like you do. And when it does, we won’t get a free market in health care. We will get single-payer. But, hey, fight the good fight, even if you don’t win.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Actually, we won’t. We aren’t so far gone yet we would jump down that rabbit hole. There are enough people who are informed enough to understand that surrendering more power to the government to fix a government created problem is sheer insanity. The best thing about this law is how is smacks everyone right between the eyes. People won’t ignore the problem, or remain ignorant of it.

NotCoach on October 21, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Heritage says that, here in Virginia, my rate will increase 256.5 percent. Back in the real world, my rate increased 20%, and that is before any subsidy.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM

So, Heritage didn’t actually go to the exchanges to see what the new rates are, they used “models”. In other words, they made stuff up.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:26 PM

The Heritage numbers are correct, whether you want to believe them or not. But the proof is in the pudding. The millions that don’t sign up will tell us all we need to know.

Is this the new leftist tactic this week? Total denial over the pricing of this sh1t sandwich? Good luck with that.

NotCoach on October 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM

davidk on October 21, 2013 at 2:20 PM

The study, done by the Heritage Foundation, uses a model to estimate what premium rates have been previously and what the new rates would be, using census data and averages provided by the Department of Health and Human Services.

So, Heritage didn’t actually go to the exchanges to see what the new rates are, they used “models”. In other words, they made stuff up.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:26 PM

You are certainly welcome to refute the figures using valid search parameters.

But it is easier just to claim they made stuff up.

Don’t judge others by the way your boy wonder works.

davidk on October 21, 2013 at 3:29 PM

NotCoach on October 21, 2013 at 3:26 PM

I’m sorry, I must disagree. Medicare is very popular; they will just offer Medicare for all. A majority of the country approves of Obamacare, or doesn’t think it goes far enough. Too many of the main features, such as eliminating the pre-existing condition issue, are too popular to ever go away. It’s Obamacare or single-payer, mark my words.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Is this the new leftist tactic this week? Total denial over the pricing of this sh1t sandwich? Good luck with that.

NotCoach on October 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Heritage says that, here in Virginia, my rate will increase 256.5 percent. Back in the real world, my rate increased 20%, and that is before any subsidy.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM

I ask and I receive, don’t I? Lol. At least you’re more responsive then Healthcare.gov.

I’m not sure how a tactic like this is supposed to work, though.

“But the leftist troll said it would be cheap!1! I demand the leftist troll pricing!1!”

NotCoach on October 21, 2013 at 3:32 PM

You are certainly welcome to refute the figures using valid search parameters.

davidk on October 21, 2013 at 3:29 PM

I just did.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:32 PM

The Heritage plan that was the model for Obamacare was the conservative solution to the health care problem, but Heritage, and conservatives, turned their backs on it, because Obama. When we get single-payer, it will be your fault.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Sure. That’s exactly why you shut down a business and lay off a bunch of people who have been working for you forever. Because of anticipated costs.
Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:21 PM

You have obviously never run a business before. Gee Mr. Banker, I know the best models of the probable costs will drive us into bankruptcy but go ahead a make that bridge loan cuz we have employees and stuff and perhaps the inevitable might just not happen.

tommyboy on October 21, 2013 at 3:39 PM

…conservatives, turned their backs on it, because Obama. When we get single-payer, it will be your fault.
Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Yeah, damn racists. If 0bama was white, they’d all embrace 0bamacare.

LegendHasIt on October 21, 2013 at 3:41 PM

When we get single-payer, it will be your fault.

Wow, the fever swamp is vomiting out some strange stuff these days.

Murphy9 on October 21, 2013 at 3:41 PM

You are certainly welcome to refute the figures using valid search parameters.

davidk on October 21, 2013 at 3:29 PM

I just did.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:32 PM

So you have figures for all 57 states and for a 20-something, a 50-something, and a family of four?

And what search model did you use?

davidk on October 21, 2013 at 3:43 PM

The Heritage plan that was the model for Obamacare was the conservative solution to the health care problem, but Heritage, and conservatives, turned their backs on it, because Obama. When we get single-payer, it will be your fault.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:35 PM

The Heritage plan was a pipe dream of a few think-tank intellectuals little known in the general conservative world. When ObamaCare came along this shiite was gone over with a fine tooth comb the disaster that has become reality was seen from miles away. Obama lied about everything, and everything that was predicted to go wrong (or be bad about this awful law) has (except maybe seeing just how incredibly bad Healthcare.gov is. I admit I did not see it being this big of a disaster). And you really think people will demand more government as the solution. Thanks, but no thanks. If you’re right we’re already lost as a nation. I don’t believe we’ve fallen that far yet.

NotCoach on October 21, 2013 at 3:43 PM

The Heritage plan that was the model for Obamacare was the conservative solution to the health care problem, but Heritage, and conservatives, turned their backs on it, because Obama.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:35 PM

This Leftist talking point needs to be put to rest.

Back in the Clinton era (1993), an authoritarian, command and control, anti-choice “single payer” plan (known as HillaryCare) was in real danger of becoming law. One man at Heritage (who is no longer there) floated a paper as a “last-resort” hail-mary alternative to HillaryCare. The similarity between that Heritage plan and the monstrosity known as ObamaCare was the “individual mandate.” ObamaCare has many, many, many other bad things within it that the Heritage plan did not include.

To say that the Heritage plan = ObamaCare is preposterous, at best.

When HillaryCare thankfully tanked, Heritage never advocated for anything like ObamaCare again. Instead they continued to propose free market, pro-consumer polices like they usually do.

visions on October 21, 2013 at 3:46 PM

President Truman “The buck stops here.”

President Obama “Its the Republican’s fault.”

spec_ops_mateo on October 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Actually he said “The buck never stops, we just print more of them and blame the Republicans for any side effects.”

Annar on October 21, 2013 at 3:48 PM

John Wayne and Richard Boone in a movie.

“Your fault; my fault; nobody’s fault.”

I don’t care if it’s from soros, Heritage, Mitt, or the tooth fairy.

I want the government out of my medical stuff.

davidk on October 21, 2013 at 3:54 PM

You have obviously never run a business before.

tommyboy on October 21, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Clearly. Nor, I suspect, known anybody who did or know anybody who does.

rrpjr on October 21, 2013 at 3:58 PM

davidk on October 21, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Big Jake… One of the most underrated Wayne movies ever.

“I thought you was dead.”

LegendHasIt on October 21, 2013 at 3:59 PM

You have obviously never run a business before.

tommyboy on October 21, 2013 at 3:39 PM

I run three, one of which I opened in the middle of the recession in 2008, and which is hugely successful.

But keep making incorrect assumptions that lead you to incorrect conclusions, like that idiot who shut down his business because somebody told him Obamacare would be expensive.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Via Politico:

And Carney left open the possibility that the administration will seek to delay the individual mandate and the open enrollment period to enroll in healthcare through the Affordable Care Act.

He said to expect some HHS guidance “soon” on whether Obamacare’s individual mandate would require people in states that did not participate in the Medicaid expansion.

“If you do not have access to affordable insurance, you wont be penalized for not buying affordable insurance,” Carney said. “The issue is, do you have access to affordable health insurance.”

Resist We Much on October 21, 2013 at 4:16 PM

I run three, one of which I opened in the middle of the recession in 2008, and which is hugely successful.

But keep making incorrect assumptions that lead you to incorrect conclusions, like that idiot who shut down his business because somebody told him Obamacare would be expensive.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Amazing how running three “hugely successful” businesses leaves so much free time to troll the comments forums of websites.

You’d almost think Mr. Arkadin was a huge liar trying in vain to build credibility through fables about being a wealthy entrepreneur.

But…people never lie online!

Good Solid B-Plus on October 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 4:15 PM

What are your businesses?

NotCoach on October 21, 2013 at 4:20 PM

like that idiot who shut down his business because somebody told him Obamacare would be expensive.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 4:15 PM

That ‘somebody’ would be his insurance company and the government. Either pay greatly increased premiums or pay a fine.

Resist We Much on October 21, 2013 at 4:20 PM

I run three,

one of which I opened in the middle of the recession in 2008, and which is hugely successful

.
Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Do you create web sites, like for instance healthcare.gov?
Whoever did that job clearly made a huge profit, since they didn’t do much actual work for the money they were paid.

dentarthurdent on October 21, 2013 at 4:21 PM

When we get single-payer, it will be your fault.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:35 PM

No, it will be the fault of moochers and looters…like you.

Solaratov on October 21, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Amazing how running three “hugely successful” businesses leaves so much free time to troll the comments forums of websites.
You’d almost think Mr. Arkadin was a huge liar trying in vain to build credibility through fables about being a wealthy entrepreneur.
But…people never lie online!

Good Solid B-Plus on October 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Well hey – Bernie Madoff was “hugely successful” for a few years – until he got caught….

dentarthurdent on October 21, 2013 at 4:25 PM

There is the pot selling business;
The crack selling business;
and the purchasing alcohol for minors business.

Y’all quit dissin’ Mr. Arkadin

And that ain’t even coutin’ the custom skateboard painting business.

LegendHasIt on October 21, 2013 at 4:26 PM

And that ain’t even coutin’ the custom skateboard painting business.

LegendHasIt on October 21, 2013 at 4:26 PM

I think the skateboard painting is just a hobby so he can huff the paint fumes.

NotCoach on October 21, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Exit Question:

Which of these two is the worst liar, John F. Kerry or B. Obama?

Could it be that the better of the two for U.S. would be Kerry as he has many more years pratice and he got away with treason via his lies and fraud.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 21, 2013 at 4:29 PM

LegendHasIt on October 21, 2013 at 3:59 PM

“Not hardly.”

kingsjester on October 21, 2013 at 4:32 PM

When we get single-payer, it will be your fault.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Why not? Everything else is, right?

It couldn’t possibly be the fault of those who crashed the system with an utterly untenable “reform.”

rrpjr on October 21, 2013 at 4:33 PM

LegendHasIt on October 21, 2013 at 4:26 PM

I do have to say it’s easy to be “hugely successful” in government contracting (especially DoD) if you happen to be a minority – at least for a few years while you’re in the 8a (minority owned small business) program (I’ve worked for a few).
Open shop and government contracts will pretty much be handed to you with no competition. It generally takes a few years for poor performance to impact your business, or graduate out of 8a, at which point you have to actually compete for business and past performance comes into play – which is why lots of smalls that are about to, or recently did graduate from 8a status either get bought or fold.

dentarthurdent on October 21, 2013 at 4:35 PM

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 21, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Well Kerry got away with it longer, but 0bama’s treason, lies and fraud are far more successful. Kerry would have to marry 57 Heinz widow types just to squirrel away the kickbacks that 0bama got from CGI alone.

Heck, he’d have to marry four of them to cover the Mooch’s yearly lobster and vacation costs.

LegendHasIt on October 21, 2013 at 4:35 PM

like that idiot who shut down his business because somebody told him Obamacare would be expensive.

Mr. Arkadin on October 21, 2013 at 4:15 PM

People aren’t cutting back and closing down because “somebody told them Obamacare would be expensive.” They’re looking at specific elements of the law and making projections on known costs and penalties.

rrpjr on October 21, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Wow, after witnessing the leftist trolls in this thread, I have to believe that Obama could be found in the middle of Pennsylvania Ave. with a dead body at his feet and a smoking gun in his hand, and they’d scream “TEA Party did it!”

JannyMae on October 21, 2013 at 4:37 PM

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