Video: Ted Cruz rejects the “let it burn” approach to ObamaCare

posted at 7:21 pm on October 21, 2013 by Allahpundit

I asked about “let it burn” a few weeks ago and never heard any solid explanations for why grassroots righties had abandoned it in favor of the “defund” strategy, which aimed to stop ObamaCare before it started burning on October 1. The point of LIB, which got some traction on conservative blogs after the fiscal cliff deal last year, is that American voters will never learn their lessons about statism unless they’re forced to suffer the consequences of statist policies. It’s no use preaching conservatism to the public; the fact that liberal utopia can’t pay for itself won’t be absorbed until people experience it firsthand. It’s a sort of Cloward-Piven strategy in reverse, I’ve always thought: Instead of leftists bringing down the system to create political space for something even further left, the failure of the Democratic agenda in toto would finally clear the way for a conservative revival. The people want ObamaCare? Good, let them have it. Enjoy the higher premiums and industry death spiral, and as you do, remember that this was exclusively a Democratic production. This is what electing liberals gets you.

That’s LIB in a nutshell, which, like I say, wasn’t uncommon during and after the fiscal cliff but was mostly AWOL from the last two months of the ObamaCare debate. Here’s Ted Cruz, leader of the “defund” movement, offering one reason why: It’s cruel! People will suffer under LIB, by design. Even if the GOP ultimately gains from it politically, and even if they crave that political gain mainly because it’ll give them a chance to do good for the public policy-wise, a lot of pain will be felt by a lot of people before you reach that point. If you can stop O-Care before it starts (which Cruz never could, but we don’t need to rehash that), why not do it? That’s one big reason why some people backed LIB for the fiscal cliff but not for ObamaCare, I think — this was a chance, however slim, to halt a paradigm-shifting new bit of the liberal agenda before it even started. To let it take effect without objection in the dark hope that it would lead the public to temporary ruin was too hard for anyone who’s politically engaged to stomach. To put it differently, LIB was really a creature of despair after last November’s bitter defeat; the further we get from that election, the more hope righties have and the more willing they are to fight again. The other reason LIB is disfavored now is, as noted above, because it’s hard to know if the space created by a program’s failure will present an opportunity for the left or for the right. I see conservative commenters say every day that O-Care was designed to fail, to damage the private insurance industry to the point that a bigger government solution is needed to salvage the wreckage. If you embrace LIB and the result is more Democrats in Congress than Republicans, you may be waiting even longer than you thought for things to burn to your liking.

Here’s the question, though: How far does Cruz’s “prevent suffering” principle extend? After all, what he says here is exactly the sort of thing that Obama’s going to start saying if/when he comes to Congress asking for more money to repair Healthcare.gov. Imagine if HHS fixes the front end of the site, so that people can now easily register and enroll, but the back end of the site remains a complete mess, with insurance companies forced to try to process tens of thousands of garbled enrollments in December. People who signed up, especially those with preexisting conditions, will be eager to have their coverage take effect in January. “All we need is $100 million to fix the back end and get this coverage flowing,” O might say. What’s the compassionate play at that point? It’s almost unimaginable that the GOP would appropriate the money and acquiesce in funding Obama’s boondoggle; on the other hand, even if the money is withheld in the name of pressuring Obama to delay the law for awhile, there may be thousands of sick enrollees who’ve already made financial plans based on the expectation of coverage. (This, of course, was precisely the reason Cruz wanted the law stopped before it started. Once people become dependent on the program and its subsidies, it becomes very hard to undo.) So what’s the play then? Dig in, refuse the appropriation, and tell Obama to figure out a way to clean up his own mess, even if that means chaos for the sick and/or an industry death spiral? That would be, essentially, LIB in action. It’d be all Obama’s and the Democrats’ fault, but that doesn’t solve the problem of how to spare people a lot of suffering from their stupidity and incompetence.


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I’d like to see it burn fast and hot, but may have changed my mind.

I believe Cruz may come up with a balance or God Willing someone else will.

We live in perilous times. I can say i find it fascinating the level of hate and uncertainty that has paralyzed my Country.

Look around. I smell fear. I wonder if I am the only one not scared by this clsterf;=:k
Patience me friends.

seesalrun2 on October 21, 2013 at 8:31 PM

RINO traitor coward liberal.

KingGold on October 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM
Yes Allahpundit is all of that. Seems he/she along with the rest of his/her fellow travelers are looking for any way to destroy Cruz’s standing with the base.

bgibbs1000 on October 21, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Oh please! He holds a different opinion and has stated why. Either do the same or shut up. Personal attacks against him score you no points.

Blake on October 21, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Burn some now or burn far more later. That’s the two choices.

VorDaj on October 21, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Those back taxes are likely undoubtedly refunds from the government.

astonerii on October 21, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Midas on October 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

don(’t think I’m in the LIB camp. Spawn’s not even 20 yet. His generation deserves better than ‘Let It Burn’. Cruz is right. annoyinglittletwerp on October 21, 2013 at 8:18 PM

We fight now, so Spawn won’t have to, later. LIB precipitates the fight in our generation. It’s going to happen sooner,,, or later.

Might as well get it over with before the leftist consolidate even more power. Like DHS getting 50 billion more rounds of ammo and gubmint control of ALL healthcare, food supplies..

wolly4321 on October 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

The people want ObamaCare? Good, let them have it. Enjoy the higher premiums and industry death spiral, and as you do, remember that this was exclusively a Democratic production. This is what electing liberals gets you.

I love the idea of LIB when it’s with sentient people who can think and might have something to lose. My concern would be that there’s too many apathetic morons who have nothing to lose and wouldn’t care if the government’s in charge with an abysmal system – they don’t have to care, think or do anything and if the trains are running somewhat on time and show up occasionally, then what do they care.

kim roy on October 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Former mayor of Atlanta and former UN ambassador, Black guy Andrew Young just said on O’Reilly:

“all we owe Americans is the right to vote and access to capital.”

We “owe” Americans “access to capital:” from whom? DISTRIBUTED BY WHOM?

Huh?

Lourdes on October 21, 2013 at 8:34 PM

There’s an enormous difference between the “let the pain of Obamacare burn” which is what Cruz is discussing and the nutty “let the country burn” theory which presumes that liberty can win the resulting chaos.

‘Let it burn’ = Cloward & Piven.

slickwillie2001 on October 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Obama’s granted some sort of racialist-coded-permission to engage in this, to flaunt the sickness.

Lourdes on October 21, 2013 at 8:25 PM

…and that’s the useful tool Marxism/Communism needs to “agitate” and to destroy.

Lourdes on October 21, 2013 at 8:26 PM

I’ve long thought the same as well. The Democrats complain about imagined “dog-whistles” in Republican and conservative politics to activate people across the country. Using that logic, and the concept the psychological projection, then the Democrats and their operatives have been going exactly that for 5+ years.

We’re all but already in a civil war, but the theater of war is divided along race as well as cultural lines. That way, when we object, we’re called out as racists, as bigots.

Eastwood Ravine on October 21, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Soros 2nd Biggest Housing Crisis Profiteer from 2008

and,

“…Billionaire investor George Soros, Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase are poised to make a killing from a housing bet that they made at the peak of the financial crisis…” from September 2013.

Goldman Sachs, “bailed out by US taxpayer money by Obama…”

Soros is a billionaire BECAUSE HE DESTABILIZES FINANCIAL MARKETS. The man’s a corrupt, evil thing, and this is how he reaps great wealth, but harming others.

Lourdes on October 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM

“…Billionaire investor George Soros, Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase are poised to make a killing from a housing bet that they made at the peak of the financial crisis…” from September 2013.

Sorry, ^^ FROM SEPTEMBER 2008.

Lourdes on October 21, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Lourdes on October 21, 2013 at 8:17 PM

It would leave generations of lies exposed.

The ‘trust fund’? A lie.

That it is ‘funded’? A lie.

That you are guaranteed an ‘entitlement’? A lie.

The MFM can spew all it wants, but the money wouldn’t be there and they then have to explain how the self-running ‘entitlements’ are not, indeed, self-running. This would get the point home that this government cannot function on just what it takes in.

Yes, the military wouldn’t get paid. That is why it is a volunteer force, and those who sign up to it are patriots. During the Revolution men were guaranteed pay for years, with little to nothing coming in. Washington made sure they got paid and cared for after the war. That would be the job and duty of what is left of government.

Once the lies are exposed across all the ‘entitlements’ then who are the low information voters going to believe: Chris Matthews or your their eyes? You keep telling the truth about the nature of the entitlements and then demonstrate it. The liars will lie. That is all they know how to do and will lie even when the truth would better serve them. Until it can be clearly demonstrated that these are lies the slow burn will continue until we are truly in a place where we can never dig ourselves out. I’m not so sanguine about 2014 and 2016 because that pain threshold has not been reached. After that we are most likely past the tipping point where the battle against tyranny gets much, much, much harder.

I’m trying to forestall that bid of running red in the streets by getting the pain now so that people can see those lies for what they are. Your choice: pain now or red later. I do wish that government would reform its ways, but that means doing starting that march now. You want 2014 to go well? Where is the pain that will get rid of the old members of the Senate because of their lies to their constituents? Put balm on it now and by 2016 the road gets much harder. Pain is necessary to remind people that government ‘entitlements’ are not free and the cost in dollars is the LEAST of the worries. How to protect the next generation and leave them a Nation, that is the very hard part to do.

I was the one who talked about having a Plan B and Plan C to do defense in depth against the Progressive attacks and prepare for the lies that would come. Now there is no Plan B or Plan C because everyone wants to avoid the pain. Face that pain is coming and prepare for it, plan for it and make sure you have a way to deal with it. That is why I have emergency supplies: no one is willing to face that the pain is coming or to plan for it. If you think I’m nuts with the hot burn, then it is gonzo nuts to have no plan at all going forward and I do not like where that ends.

ajacksonian on October 21, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Already rushing to single payer.

(CNSNews.com) – Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) calls Obamacare a “very small and modest bill,” even though he previously said he failed to see the point in reading it “if it’s a thousand pages” and required lawyers to decipher it.

During an Oct. 17 appearance on “Democracy Now!” Conyers criticized lawmakers who had partially shut down the government in the fight against Obamacare, expressing concern about what might happen when a single-payer system is proposed.

“It’s just unimaginable the actions they would turn to, to get their way on a very small and modest bill – Obamacare. We’re talking about universal health care for everybody – single payer, that’s what the new direction is,” Conyers said.

But “small and modest” were not the adjectives used by Conyers to describe Obamacare on July 24, 2009. That day, Conyers told the audience at the National Press Club there was little good in even reading a bill “if it’s a thousand pages.”

“I love these members, they get up and say, ‘Read the bill,’” Conyers said. “What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

As CNSNews.com has reported, bureaucracies in the Obama Administration have thus far published approximately 11,588,500 words of final Obamacare regulations.

There are 381,517 words in the Affordable Care Act itself.

Murphy9 on October 21, 2013 at 8:41 PM

I love the idea of LIB when it’s with sentient people who can think and might have something to lose. My concern would be that there’s too many apathetic morons who have nothing to lose and wouldn’t care if the government’s in charge with an abysmal system – they don’t have to care, think or do anything and if the trains are running somewhat on time and show up occasionally, then what do they care.

kim roy on October 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

As long as they have their internet and gaming platforms they’ll be the sheep that that they are. But take those away…

Eastwood Ravine on October 21, 2013 at 8:43 PM

LIB

Notice the Obama voters all framing out? More please.

Irritable Pundit on October 21, 2013 at 8:43 PM

…We’re all but already in a civil war, but the theater of war is divided along race as well as cultural lines. That way, when we object, we’re called out as racists, as bigots.

Eastwood Ravine on October 21, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Yes, you’re so right about that. For keen example of this, note the guy who was threatening Ted Cruz on twitter (in news last few days).

After feds interviewed him, it’s being revealed that the nutter guy “was influenced by literature he received from the Democrat Party…”

After reading just a portion of the nutty crud on twitter by the Left, I can see how someone vulnerable to upset, so to speak, would act on what he’s/she’s reading/hearing and then start pushing that among others. “Agitate” and such.

Lourdes on October 21, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Lol.. Freaking out.

Irritable Pundit on October 21, 2013 at 8:44 PM

‘Let it burn’ = Cloward & Piven.

slickwillie2001 on October 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Exactly. I was remembering all those shows that Glen Beck did on C&P when he was on Fox News in the afternoon. It is what the Hard Left is aiming.

Eastwood Ravine on October 21, 2013 at 8:46 PM

don’t think I’m in the LIB camp. Spawn’s not even 20 yet. His generation deserves better than ‘Let It Burn’. Cruz is right.
annoyinglittletwerp on October 21, 2013 at 8:18 PM


If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.

Thomas Paine

astonerii on October 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Already rushing to single payer.

Murphy9 on October 21, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Hillary Clinton by DNC.

That’s where this is going and why this is occurring. Never underestimate the DNC sharks under the canoe, they’re not going to stop at blowing bubbles.

Lourdes on October 21, 2013 at 8:50 PM

…That is why I have emergency supplies: no one is willing to face that the pain is coming or to plan for it. If you think I’m nuts with the hot burn, then it is gonzo nuts to have no plan at all going forward and I do not like where that ends.

ajacksonian on October 21, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Many of us, I certainly am, are “Preppers.” I believe in self-sufficiency and being prepared and work within my limited means to maintain such.

I’ve never thought you “nuts” nor am I a “gonzo nut” among “nuts”.

I realize and am quite familiar with the voluntary nature of our US military.

It’s their deployed numbers AND their dependents who are placed immediately at risk when their paychecks and supplemental ‘benefits’ are eliminated and on what most in the military are paid, they don’t have a great deal to put away in order to BE preppers, not when they have families.

Just being realistic. It’s these among our population that Congress needs very much to fund within reason that is maintained beyond the whims of Harry Reid and Obama and Valerie Jarrett, et. al, some sort of security for that population that ensures they are provided for. ESPECIALLY when deployed and with families left behind.

It’s one thing to enlist on a volunteer basis when you don’t have a mate and children, it’s another thing to know they’re not going to have basics at some politician’s whim while you’re off protecting the politician’s ideas.

Just being realistic here.

Lourdes on October 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Cruz is taking the position that he cares about Americans. The gop has been criticized forever because they don’t come across as caring and the dems do come across that way even though political junkies know dems don’t give a rat’s a$$ about anything but themselves having power.

Charm on October 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Let it burn is tantamount to surrender. Entitlements, once given, are almost never able to be taken away. #History.

petefrt on October 21, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Who will be hurt the most by the “let it burn” strategy? The sick. The disabled. The weak. The poor. The elderly.

Who will be able to last the longest through the burning and possibly come out on top with some kind of concentrated power? The very wealthy–including the DC elites, the Hollywood elites, the business elites, etc. People who can afford to pay bribes. People who can escape to other countries for what they need. People who know the right people. (Also–considering the ultimate collapse of society as we know it is a longed-for event by the liberal followers of the Cloward-Piven strategy, I’m betting they have thought through more “let it burn” scenarios than we with our not-quite-so-steeped-in-evil minds can even imagine. They will have plans for the chaos. Have no doubt about that.)

I get the natural desire lots of us have for the people who caused the trauma to experience the trauma. It’s called justice. The sentiment itself is not wrong. But allowing that to turn to something more like vengeance and control us and deter us from fighting the good fight all the way to the end is wrong. We don’t sacrifice the helpless. We don’t revel in destruction. That’s not who we are–that’s who they are.

We fight for our families. We fight for the future. We fight for the good of the nation–including the idiots who will never, ever thank us and who will probably call us names and throw stones at us every step of the way as we drag their sorry behinds with us back to safety. But that’s who we are–the good guys, the grown ups. And that’s what good guys and grown ups do.

butterflies and puppies on October 21, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Which side of his mouth is he speaking out?

rubberneck on October 21, 2013 at 9:44 PM

I get the natural desire lots of us have for the people who caused the trauma to experience the trauma. It’s called justice. The sentiment itself is not wrong. But allowing that to turn to something more like vengeance and control us and deter us from fighting the good fight all the way to the end is wrong. We don’t sacrifice the helpless. We don’t revel in destruction. That’s not who we are–that’s who they are.

We fight for our families. We fight for the future. We fight for the good of the nation–including the idiots who will never, ever thank us and who will probably call us names and throw stones at us every step of the way as we drag their sorry behinds with us back to safety. But that’s who we are–the good guys, the grown ups. And that’s what good guys and grown ups do.

butterflies and puppies on October 21, 2013 at 9:36 PM

I don’t disagree. I’m rethinking my opinions of LIB strategy. I’m saying skip over it. We’re ready for the revolution. We’re ready for the civil war. If the cause is just, the war is as well.

We fight for our families. We fight for the future. We fight for the good of the nation–including the idiots who will never, ever thank us and who will probably call us names and throw stones at us every step of the way as we drag their sorry behinds with us back to safety. But that’s who we are–the good guys, the grown ups. And that’s what good guys and grown ups do.

Sometimes, the grownups have to stand firm, put up their fists, and fight the people who would destroy the country from within.

We’re reaching a watershed moment in this country.

Eastwood Ravine on October 21, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Which side of his mouth is he speaking out?

rubberneck on October 21, 2013 at 9:44 PM

…unlike you…not his a$s!

KOOLAID2 on October 21, 2013 at 9:58 PM

“Never interfere while your opponent is making a mistake.”

-Sun Tzu

That, AP, is LIB in a nutshell.

Kafir on October 21, 2013 at 10:07 PM

If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. Thomas Paine astonerii on October 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Thank you. That’s exactly what I was trying to say.

wolly4321 on October 21, 2013 at 10:33 PM

I’m with Ted Cruz, I’ve never supported LIB. The majority of Americans have opposed Obamacare from day one, so how does the GOP benefit politically by joining the Democrats to make people suffer, then hoping people will vote for one of the parties that made them suffer rather than the other one? For a lot of people LIB is a symptom of apathy and/or hopelessness. LIB is essentially what Republicans have been doing for decades and it hasn’t worked yet, things just keep getting worse and worse even when the GOPe controls the government. I think in many ways Bush was worse than Clinton and Obama was worse than Bush, and the next GOP establishment or D president will most likely be worse still.

I want to save America and turn it around, put it back on the path of economic and personal freedom and liberty. I want to cut spending and balance the budget and get America back on a responsible footing. I am depressed about what is happening to my country and I want to put a stop to it, and I want to do it ASAP so that I can have hope for the future again and move on with my life. I want to start a family before I’m too old but not while the country is burning! Every year I waste here at HotAir trying to save my country from Beltway cronies is a year stolen from me and the family I want to have, and if the GOP ruins my opportunity then I will no longer be interested in making DC listen, I will want to make them and those responsible suffer and pay!

Let It Burn is the path of failure for the apathetic and hopeless, but also as a tool of the corrupt to “never let a crisis go to waste” to control people, which unfortunately is the official policy of the GOP establishment…. LIB. Although, frankly, for many in the GOPe I doubt that this is actually the category they are in. It’s just another lie that corrupt politicians tell. I think that many of the LIB people in the GOP establishment are actually old Romneycare supporters that actually are indifferent to Obamacare and have no intention of ever stopping it, but they’re sure going to raise money and campaign against it for the rest of time if that’s what floats the boats of the gullible.

FloatingRock on October 21, 2013 at 10:37 PM

It is all well and good to want to avoid or minimize the pain that the public at large will suffer, and Senator Cruz and people of his mind are certainly welcome to continue to try, but events may be passing him by. The Democrats, mostly, believe they have what they want (even if the implementation is shoddy) and see no reason to compromise and give any of it up (medical device tax notwithstanding).

I think back in the 80′s Congress passed a medicare provision with a supplemental tax to go along with it. Reagan signed it. I recall that Rostenkowski got chased down a street by protesting/angry seniors (and it was recorded). The lesson, as such, was clear and the law was repealed the next year.

It is fine that Cruz wants to not hurt the public, but I don’t see how he’s going to advance a repeal or significant modification of the PPACA.

Russ808 on October 21, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Dig in, refuse the appropriation, and tell Obama to figure out a way to clean up his own mess, even if that means chaos for the sick and/or an industry death spiral?

Huh? That’s not an option anymore, ever. Whenever Obama wants more money, for any purpose whatsoever, all he has to do is veto (or get his sock-monkey Reid to block in the Senate; same difference) any continuing resolution that doesn’t contain that money. Then the government will “shut down”. Since that is now apparently utterly unacceptable to absolutely all right-thinking people, the House will have no choice but to give Obama all the money he wants.

This is the endgame you wanted, AP, you and everyone who mocked and condemned the shutdown. The old system was that Congress–all of Congress, not just the Senate–got to decide what did and did not get funded. Obama threw a hissy fit at that, and so you retired to your fainting couch gasping “give the man whatever he wants, you fools!” Well, the logical endpoint of that is that it’s Obama who sets the budget now and forevermore. So why pretend otherwise?

Fabozz on October 22, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Um. . .why exactly do we think that the same people who eventually caved after the sustained temper tantrum and threats from the Democrats and the media are going to suddenly develop a spine when ObamaCare starts sinking for real and Obama holds a press conference and DEMANDS that Republicans cooperate with whatever funding is necessary to either “rescue” the system (good money after bad) or start a whole new boondoggle that requires even more funding (over the cliff, little lemmings!)? Particularly when the volume from Obama and his minions for that round will make the government shutdown reaction look like a whisper–they know the jig will be up if the whole rotten mess comes tumbling down, so they will literally stop at nothing for that round. Where is the will–and the votes–to resist when the bastards are pulling out all the stops they *didn’t* resort to this time around? It would be great to believe that that will is there–but I’ve yet to see that the Republicans have the unity and the guts to let a figurative shack burn–never mind the whole town.

M. Scott Eiland on October 22, 2013 at 2:31 AM

“That would be, essentially, LIB in action. It’d be all Obama’s and the Democrats’ fault, but that doesn’t solve the problem of how to spare people a lot of suffering from their stupidity and incompetence.”

Insulating people from the consequences of their own stupidity is one of the hallmarks of liberalism. Making them feel the burn isn’t a bug of “Let it Burn,” but a necessary feature.

“What hurts, instructs.”
“Experience is a dear teacher, but fools will learn at no other.”

– Benjamin Franklin

Spurius Ligustinus on October 22, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Fabozz on October 22, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Most salient post on this topic I have seen in a while, thanks Fabozz.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on October 22, 2013 at 9:26 AM

I asked about “let it burn” a few weeks ago and never heard any solid explanations for why grassroots righties had abandoned it in favor of the “defund” strategy, which aimed to stop ObamaCare before it started burning on October 1.

I’ll take either one.

It’ll be defunded by default because there simply is no money to support it. And whatever money they do suck in with it will end up in various bank accounts around the world, in PACs and crony businesses, and so on. Therefore it will burn as a result.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 22, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Let it burn is tantamount to surrender. Entitlements, once given, are almost never able to be taken away. #History.

petefrt on October 21, 2013 at 9:22 PM

EXACTLY. My natural tendency is to support LIB. But I’ve realized that – like very other government entitlement ever- once it gets rolling it will never be stopped.

Free Indeed on October 22, 2013 at 9:50 AM

rubberneck on October 21, 2013 at 9:44 PM

You are losing.

Bmore on October 22, 2013 at 10:25 AM

loatingRock on October 21, 2013 at 10:37 PM

You said it. The biggest problem with the LIB “strategy” is that it is every bit as craven and opportunistic as the Dems’ standard modus operandi. It is allowing a preventable crisis to occur, and even hoping it spirals into a full-blown disaster, the worse the better, in the hopes of somehow riding the fallout to an electoral victory or two.

Except that the disaster in question, here, will almost certainly result in very real human suffering and even death. And not in small numbers.

Cylor on October 22, 2013 at 10:37 AM

This is an easy one: Jebbie Bush is for the LIB strategy. Jebbie and the rest of the establishment Republicans will work to save Obamacare. There will not be a market based alternative to Obamacare coming from the RINOs.

vilebody on October 22, 2013 at 10:46 AM

LIB!
Its’ already settled, it’s the law of the land with Rat only votes, the Lyin kINg will for now and evermore get all the taxpayer cash he wants because the senile, old, 60′s hippy RINO queens pee their depends at the thought of a shutdown and denying the Lyin kINg his bounty!
LIB!
Let it burn the asses of the middle classes, LIB the pockets of the Business owner class, let the LoFo MoFos drown in a sea of despair when they cannot access their latest redistribution freebee from the working folks.
LIB for a full year and Let Every Repunk Every Time before a microphone remind the American sheeple that it is a Rat only disaster, a rat only law passed in the dark of night, without compromise, through bribery, tricks and intimidation such that the Rat Party took one of the biggest thumpings and had the most resignations in history as a result.
Every question a Repunk entertains from a Presstitute must be answered with it’s a Rat only Miserable failure that will cost more, provide less, and kill people!
LIB is the ONLY way to win the 2014 Senate and keep the House whereupon the real Defunding may begin. Until then it’s settled law and the RINO herd is gonna ram us with it while paying homage to the Lyin kINg and his court Presstitues!

ConcealedKerry on October 22, 2013 at 11:07 AM

The related issue to LIB is the individual mandate (IM) issue. Republicans improperly framed their demand as a repeal of the IM…when all they really wanted to do was delay the penalty for the IM for one year. Rubio has now introduced a bill in the senate to “delay the IM penalty”.

How does the GOP LIB and benefit in elections, when there is no penalty for the IM before the elections? Fixing and easing the pains of Obamacare ratifies it imo. That is precisely what Cruz helped prevent….an acceptance of Obamacare by the GOP or the perception of it. Guys like McCain are ready to accept it, which would be horrible.

The GOP needs the IM penalties to kick in while clearly and obviously trying repeal them….not easy. The Dems will eventually agree to try and eliminate the ACA as a 2014 election issue.

FreeManOtis on October 22, 2013 at 11:08 AM

The Dems will NEVER go against their kINg and his signature failure and try to eliminate the ACA. They will however throw piles of our money and hundreds of techies at the problem thus creating a longer term problem with implementation….
Brooks Law: is a principle in software development which says that “adding manpower to a late software project makes it later”. It was coined by Fred Brooks in his 1975 book The Mythical Man-Month. The corollary of Brooks’s Law is that there is an incremental person who, when added to a project, makes it take more, not less time. Brooks adds that “Nine women can’t make a baby in one month”.

If this disaster can be front and center for a full year the Repunks have their issue to return them to power in both Senate and House whereupon they can begin to at least block and defund, investigate and litigate this disaster of an abortion of a bill, BUT the American Sheeples must feel the pain PERSONALLY!

ConcealedKerry on October 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Delaying the IM until after the next election will guarantee no felt pain while the Lyin kINg proclaims rainbows and free stuff are just over the horizon for this abomination!
Delaying the IM will guarantee the Senate remains in Reids control and full implementation will be a Fait accompli!

ConcealedKerry on October 22, 2013 at 11:23 AM

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