Chamber of Commerce, business groups looking to dislodge tea party candidates in 2014?

posted at 8:01 pm on October 21, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

There have been several reports out over the past few days about an evidently riled business-lobby community in the wake of the government shutdown and Congress’s flirtation with default, and that — especially in the event of another fiscal showdown this January/February — several major business groups are apparently thinking about pulling on their extra-establishmenty boots and doin’ work on behalf of what they see as more moderate and “business-friendly” candidates in next year’s pre-midterm primaries. Via the Financial Times:

In particular, attention is focusing on how to tilt the balance of power within the Republican party towards more moderate members who are less likely than staunch conservative Tea Party lawmakers to encourage brinkmanship over the budget.

“The shutdown exposed how high the stakes are. It is time to get back involved,” says David French, senior vice-president for government relations and chief lobbyist at the National Retail Federation (NRF), which represents many US retailers. …

Mr French said he did not believe the relationship was “profoundly damaged” and noted that on “95 per cent of the items” even the most ardent Tea Partiers and the business community were in agreement. Moreover, he said many of the disagreements were over “tactics” rather than policy and that Democrats shared some of the blame in the US political dysfunction.

But he added that if the business community was “particularly angry at the Tea Party, it is because they risked a whole lot in order to make a point I think any direct mail marketer could make with a first-class stamp”.

If more business groups do end up throwing their support behind what they see as more centered candidates, though, how much of an impact will it have? Politico points out some of the skepticism:

But despite the public grousing and aggressive posture of top executives and Washington operatives, there’s little evidence that trade associations and other business-minded groups will actually be able to move the needle in the 2014 election.

“The Senate Conservatives Fund, Heritage Action and FreedomWorks are really just eating the lunch of some of the normal business groups,” said Dan Mattoon, former executive director of the National Republican Congressional Committee. …

“Fundamentally, if the business community wants to be more engaged in the grass-roots politics, they have to have a permanent presence there,” Heritage Action’s Dan Holler said. “Arguably, there are local businesses at every level. They could be the conduit for that message. The problem is the policies big business groups are trying to sell don’t resonate outside of Washington.”

Advocates of pushing the primary envelope are looking largely to the Chamber of Commerce to lead the charge. The business group has long had one of the most active political operations in Washington and also is used to soliciting big checks from its members. …

Chamber President Thomas Donohue is all in,” the source said.

But Donohue was coy on whether or not any of this is actually happening at a recent breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor:

“We have no idea what we are going to have on the table. We still have to see who is running, we still have to see what happens on the next activity on the deficit. We still have to see what the circumstances are,” Mr. Donohue said. The chamber will begin making decisions about its congressional election activities in the first quarter of 2014, according to Bruce Josten, the chamber’s executive vice president for government affairs, who also spoke at the breakfast.

Donohue was asked about Senator Cruz, who argued that the House should tie a vote to fund the government with defunding of the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. “I don’t know Senator Cruz,” he said. “We are all getting to watch him. I sort of think about him as a tennis player. You know if you are going to rush the net all the time you better have a lot of motion to the left and the right. He hasn’t proved that to me yet.”

Hmmm. I suppose we’ll eventually see how all of this plays out next year, but going back to the Financial Times piece, I would merely highlight a couple of points made in their conclusion via a conversation with House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa. Emphasis mine:

Darrell Issa, the Republican congressman who chairs the House oversight committee and is a former businessman, said business would be helped if John Boehner, the Republican Speaker, had 20 more Republican votes to help get legislation passed, which in turn would weaken the more hardline arm of the party.

But he warned that teaching a lesson to hardliners should not come at the expense of handing the House majority back to Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic leader in the lower chamber, whose policies on energy such as cap and trade, for instance, are seen as far more dangerous to business interests.

Mr Issa also pointed a finger of blame at the companies themselves, in a sign that frayed relations between business and Republicans cut both ways, saying they were often too focused on their narrow self-interest. “Microsoft, IBM, Archer Daniels – they do not have an ideology. They will give money to people who hurt 80 per cent of what they care about if it helps their bottom line,” he said.


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Chamber of Commerce, business groups Hot Air looking to help dislodge tea party candidates in 2014?

bgibbs1000 on October 21, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Bring it…

d1carter on October 21, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Chamber of Commerce, business groups Hot Air looking to help dislodge tea party candidates in 2014?

bgibbs1000 on October 21, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Lookin’ more and more like that everyday.

txmomof6 on October 21, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Dana Perino and petunia too.

Good luck ever again at winning anything, stupid and insipidly impertinent RINOs.

Adios locos!

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Name ‘em and shame ‘em.

cozmo on October 21, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Pelosi must be giddy.

obama must be too.

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Yeah, because Karl Rove’s SuperPAC did sooooooooooooooooooooo well in the 2012 election.

Myron Falwell on October 21, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Fools, without the TEA party there’s NO speaker Boner.

You don’t deserve the oxygen you waste, you fools.

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM

The Senate Conservatives Fund, Heritage Action and FreedomWorks are really just eating the lunch of some of the normal business groups,” said Dan Mattoon, former executive director of the National Republican Congressional Committee. …

“Fundamentally, if the business community wants to be more engaged in the grass-roots politics, they have to have a permanent presence there,” Heritage Action’s Dan Holler said. “Arguably, there are local businesses at every level. They could be the conduit for that message. The problem is the policies big business groups are trying to sell don’t resonate outside of Washington.

A permanent presence in grass-roots politics? Good luck to the CofC and D.C. lobbyists finding passion amongst moderates. The status quo just doesn’t have the get up and go.

INC on October 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM

The thing the Establishment doesn’t understand is that the cream always rises. Cruz is the crème de la crème. That is not to say he is incorruptible, but who in politics isn’t?

txmomof6 on October 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Chamber of Commerce, business groups Hot Air looking to help dislodge tea party candidates in 2014?

bgibbs1000 on October 21, 2013 at 8:05 PM

That was a foregone conclusion.

Myron Falwell on October 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

The headline article by Greenfield “The supersessionists of the liberal confederacy” is a must read.

Murphy9 on October 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

There have been several reports out over the past few days about an evidently riled business-lobby community in the wake of the government shutdown and Congress’s flirtation with default

We were not even close to default this month. This is all about getting rid to that pesky resistance on social issues and the idea of smaller government. And it isn’t really going to make a difference.

Happy Nomad on October 21, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Primary everyone?

thebrokenrattle on October 21, 2013 at 8:16 PM

By all means, the business community needs more “moderate Republicans” who support business-friendly initiatives like ObamaCare, tax-and-cap, raising the minimum wage, closing electrical power generation plants, doubling energy costs, tripling the price of gasoline, keeping a strong NLRB, OSHA, EPA, etc.

Those damn Tea Partiers have a lot of nerve trying to reduce government regulations and the costs of complying with them.

/sarc

VastRightWingConspirator on October 21, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Millions of dollars in ads that people ignore or skip with DVR’s, like me VS highly motivated grassroots. Good luck with that, turds.

msupertas on October 21, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Bring it…

d1carter on October 21, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Beat me to it.

Dongemaharu on October 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM

The Tea Party is going after Republicans AND democrats…….
All entrenched pols will see bombing commence in 3…..2…..1……

redguy on October 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM

The Great Communicator Ronald Reagan, who spoke mostly in moral terms, was the magnificent exception. He understood that Washington is not a management problem; it is a political problem. Everything the government does is necessarily political, because governments decide not only who gets what, but why. These choices define a candidate’s politics, but they must be conceived and expressed in terms of moral priorities.

Political language is inherently moral, not managerial. It must convey visions, not just plans. It must explain why some things are good and others bad.

Instincts are never enough. You need to have thought about politics in the philosophical sense to know what is going on. I have seen businessmen in Washington with superb instincts who soon became frustrated. That is because people who have no background in either moral philosophy or rhetoric—i.e., lacking the “vision thing”—are most often left speechless when they discover that they cannot rebut attacks with management techniques.

If you cannot articulate the cause for which you are fighting in moral terms, you will lose.

Good luck finding that fired-up moderate base these guys keep talking about.

INC on October 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM

“We have met the enemy and they are us.”

I want this fight, We NEED this fight.

reddevil on October 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM

If you saw the mumblings of Mitch McConnell tonight on Fox, you know we need some changes…

d1carter on October 21, 2013 at 8:22 PM

The Democrat Machine has all their phone numbers in a data base from their Obama Phones…

BigWyo on October 21, 2013 at 8:23 PM

What this is about is the ever growing relationship between big business and big government. Soon will come another push for immigration reform. What a bad mix and yet the left who used to scream about it and corporate welfare for the most part will sit on their hands.

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 21, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Reason #1 they WANT amnesty: to hire them instead of real Americans.

SouthernGent on October 21, 2013 at 8:26 PM

By all means, the business community needs more “moderate Republicans” who support business-friendly initiatives like ObamaCare, tax-and-cap, raising the minimum wage, closing electrical power generation plants, doubling energy costs, tripling the price of gasoline, keeping a strong NLRB, OSHA, EPA, etc.

Those damn Tea Partiers have a lot of nerve trying to reduce government regulations and the costs of complying with them.

/sarc

VastRightWingConspirator on October 21, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Of course, the big boys in business know how to get around many of the regulations and how to pass along the costs.

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM

The headline article by Greenfield “The supersessionists of the liberal confederacy” is a must read.

Murphy9 on October 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Yep – Hammer meet thumb

Liberal supersessionists claim to be worried about conservative secessionists when they should be far more worried about conservative supersessionists. The consensus we all live by is a fragile thing. It is being torn apart by the radical left and once it is destroyed, it will not bind the right, in the same way that it no longer binds the left.

And then the true conflict will begin.

Oh hell yeah!!!! This is what I have been pushing for….
I found out what I am – conservative supersessionist

redguy on October 21, 2013 at 8:28 PM

The original Tea Party had it so simple..

They just dumped to into the harbor…

Life must have been simple back then…
/

Electrongod on October 21, 2013 at 8:32 PM

The problem is that there are very few people interested in liberty anymore. The Democrats and the left want to control everybody’s life, the Republicans and business leaders are more interested in the bottom line than in freedom.

neuquenguy on October 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

By all means, the business community needs more “moderate Republicans” who support business-friendly initiatives like ObamaCare, tax-and-cap, raising the minimum wage, closing electrical power generation plants, doubling energy costs, tripling the price of gasoline, keeping a strong NLRB, OSHA, EPA, etc.

Those damn Tea Partiers have a lot of nerve trying to reduce government regulations and the costs of complying with them.

/sarc

VastRightWingConspirator on October 21, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Of course, the big boys in business know how to get around many of the regulations and how to pass along the costs.

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Absolutely. It is corporate protection racket. A large Corporation can absorb the costs of complying to the letter of the law their lobbyists insured gave them leeway in following the laws.
It adds tremendously to the cost of entry into the many different corporate sectors of the economy, creating de facto monopolies.

astonerii on October 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Reason #1 they WANT amnesty: to hire them instead of real Americans.

SouthernGent on October 21, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Yep, and I think a non-american is exempt from ObamaCare….
They can pay minimum wage, work the hell out of them and most of them
will never complain. I do contract work and the Mexicans work harder, seem happier,
while the white guys grumble and moan…..
Let’s face it…..most people have been spoiled brats and this will come back to bite them in the ass.

And I think the union bosses are pushing for amnesty so they can sign up millions
of more members.

Amnesty is a building block of the progressive agenda and the crony capitalists are eager to help them out.

redguy on October 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

There have been several reports out over the past few days about an evidently riled business-lobby community in the wake of the government shutdown and Congress’s flirtation with default

Bullshit. Congress did not “flirt with default”, they are incapable of doing that. Only the president can drive default and only if he refuses to follow the Constitution.

slickwillie2001 on October 21, 2013 at 8:34 PM

FT, CSM and Politico. That’s where I go to get my Tea Party scoop. /s

I’m sure there are many in business who don’t align with the Tea Party. But they’re not conservative, they’re liberals. Progressives. It’s a misnomer that all big business is aligned with the GOP. Far from it. Actually, most big businesses align with whomever is in office because that’s who they need to “persuade” to maintain their status quo, and discourage competition from below.

BKeyser on October 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

My fellow Republicans,

If you are a Republican like me, and really want to back away from the Socialism that has taken over our government for the past 7 years. We need to come to terms with the people who say that everyone but them is a RINO.

Watch the Five on Fox today. Eric Boiling admits that they don’t want to change the government. They only want to purify the Republican Party. The Republican Party is their focus, not the government. They are fine with the way the Democrats are running things.

I say… there can not be that many of them. Most of us want to win back the government and stop the Socialism. If you are not aware of what these people are really doing… Watch the Five on Fox today.

Please. Watch it, or read a transcript. He doesn’t care about the government at all. It is all about taking over the Republican Party and making it a minority Party.

I bet there are a lot of the commenters here who agree with Eric Boling that it is better to have 30 perfect Senators and 70 Democrats running this country, than to have 51 Republicans, and get back some control!

We can’t let them run the Party!

We need to know who they are and stop them from wrecking this country.

Go back to the Libertarians, be the minority of complainers, but leave the Republican Party alone!!!!

I want to win elections, and while you call yourselves Republicans we can’t get the middle to come our way. You scare them off!!!!

I want to stop Socialism, not be a perpetual minority.

You are lying to people, and that needs to stop. Admit who you are, and what your goal is. So we can stop listening to you.

We need to rethink support for these extereme “Republicans” They are not REpublicans and they should go to a Party like the Libertarians, and keep up the c omplaining.

I want to get the Country back! Not just complain.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:41 PM

It’s the difference between one who will rail against it and one who will actually stand up and try to do something about it. Talk, no matter how loud, is still cheap.

KCB on October 21, 2013 at 8:43 PM

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:41 PM

“Shut up”, Ken said.

KCB on October 21, 2013 at 8:44 PM

I suppose the allure of tons of fiat QE currency flooding the markets, fat government contracts and the ability to dump workers onto the Obamacare rolls trumps concerns about inflation, dollar devaluation and being punished by the Socialists for making money.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 21, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Well said Ken

KCB on October 21, 2013 at 8:43 PM

CoffeeLover on October 21, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Hey, Chamber of Commerce…

Midas on October 21, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Well said Ken

KCB on October 21, 2013 at 8:43 PM

CoffeeLover on October 21, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Indeed. lol!

thatsafactjack on October 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Other than lowering taxes the chamber of commerce is in concert with the leftist agenda. As business has shifted to the crony capitalism/fascism under Obama it has cemented the chamber to the left.

If one did not know that then one was not paying attention.

jukin3 on October 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:41 PM

queer rant to support the establishment, really.

Murphy9 on October 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

thatsafactjack on October 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Hi Jackie LOL

CoffeeLover on October 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

So do you think it is better to have 30 Senators who are all Tea party or to have 51 who will vote and give you some power over the government?

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Tired of all that crap! How are Ya’ll?

KCB on October 21, 2013 at 8:49 PM

CoffeeLover on October 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Good evening, CoffeeLover. :) Good to see you.

thatsafactjack on October 21, 2013 at 8:49 PM

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

KCB on October 21, 2013 at 8:44 PM

KCB on October 21, 2013 at 8:50 PM

So do you think it is better to have 30 Senators who are all Tea party or to have 51 who will vote and give you some power over the government?

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Is that the best straw man argument you’ve got?

Midas on October 21, 2013 at 8:50 PM

KCB on October 21, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Good evening, Ken. :) You’re in fine form this evening. :)

thatsafactjack on October 21, 2013 at 8:50 PM

So you are all about destroying the Republican party? But the government is not important?

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:50 PM

So do you think it is better to have 30 Senators who are all Tea party or to have 51 who will vote and give you some power over the government?

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

The establishment GOP went full democrat drunken sailor spending during the Bush years when they had all three branches. They established, without a doubt, that they do not have the interests of small government conservatives.

Murphy9 on October 21, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Is that the best straw man argument you’ve got?

Midas on October 21, 2013 at 8:50 PM

I want to know your opinion.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:51 PM

The establishment GOP went full democrat drunken sailor spending during the Bush years when they had all three branches. They established, without a doubt, that they do not have the interests of small government conservatives.

Murphy9 on October 21, 2013 at 8:51 PM

So Socialism is fine with you? That’s what I thought.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Doing good thanks. Good to see ya’ll too.

CoffeeLover on October 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

I want to know your opinion.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:51 PM

No you don’t, you just want to fling poo.

Midas on October 21, 2013 at 8:53 PM

When you destroy the Republican Party and make it a perpetual minority then what?

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:53 PM

No you don’t, you just want to fling poo.

Midas on October 21, 2013 at 8:53 PM

That question is so easy for me to answer. But it seems hard for you.

Eric Boiling on The Five today said he would rather have 30 perfect Senators.

I just want to know who else thinks that is the goal.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Petunia

More centrist candidates like McCain and Romney?

Spider79 on October 21, 2013 at 8:56 PM

So you are all about destroying the Republican party? But the government is not important?

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:50 PM

The Republican Party is not my number one concern. Conservatism is much more important to me.

KCB on October 21, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Chamber of Commerce = Serf lobby.

VorDaj on October 21, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Please think about what you are advocating.

I see you all saying conservative things, but then work against taking over the government.

I don’t want to be in the minority forever!

Are you part of a team, or out to destroy the Republican Party?

Yeah so they spent too much too.

But it was better than this!

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM

When you destroy the Republican Party and make it a perpetual minority then what?

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Know any Whigs?

Bmore on October 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM

When you destroy the Republican Party and make it a perpetual minority then what?

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:53 PM

You should address that question to the Karl Rove Wing.

VorDaj on October 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM

I suppose the allure of tons of fiat QE currency flooding the markets, fat government contracts and the ability to dump workers onto the Obamacare rolls trumps concerns about inflation, dollar devaluation and being punished by the Socialists for making money.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 21, 2013 at 8:45 PM

More exactly, the attitude is “Keep those subsidies coming!”

The “business groups” don’t mind all the handicaps you quoted. Because as long as they get government subsidies and “price supports” for everything from tobacco to microchips, they see themselves as privileged players in a rigged game.

They are less concerned with an authoritarian regime’ in Washington than they would be with a government that tells them “go paddle your own canoe, and if you capsize, swim for it.” They also like the present situation in which they are protected from “upstarts” by virtue of having fed at the federal trough longer than anyone else.

Even the prospect of nationalization doesn’t faze them,. They figure the “facilitators” will need them to run things, so their positions are secure.

And they also assume that the “enlightened ones”, whose opinions of the rest of us they, the business leaders, largely share, will in the end accede to their wishes just to keep things running. (“Mr. Mouch, Mr. Boyle is on line three.”)

It’s no surprise that they want the tea party activists gone. They like the status quo, and believe it can, and should, last forever.

As for everyone else, their attitude is, f**k ‘em. Which is, coincidentally, precisely the attitude of the progressives, as well.

clear ether

eon

eon on October 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM

The Republican Party is not my number one concern. Conservatism is much more important to me.

KCB on October 21, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Even if that means we are under Socialism forever? How can that be?

I don’t think Conservatism is served by being Socialists.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Does anybody have a good definition of “Wacko Birds”…? Firt time I ever heard that term it was uttered on the floor of the US Senate. Anybody?

d1carter on October 21, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Eric Boiling on The Five today said he would rather have 30 perfect Senators.

I just want to know who else thinks that is the goal.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Yet you keep flinging that poo – how many are telling you they agree? You keep bleating like everyone agrees, I’ve yet to see a single person say that. WTF are you on about? LOL

Midas on October 21, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Is “Wacko Birds” a euphemism for “my friends”..?

d1carter on October 21, 2013 at 9:01 PM

do you think it is better to have 30 Senators who are all Tea party or to have 51 who will vote and give you some power over the government? petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

51 mccains ~vs~ 30 Cruz’s?

Give me 30 Cruz’s.

You aren’t too savvy, are you?

wolly4321 on October 21, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Destroying the Republican Party is not the answer.

Okay… carry on… keep thinking in small little circles… hopefully someone who didn’t fully understand the extent to which you hate the Republican Party will understand that you do not have a goal of winning back our country.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 9:02 PM

YOu know. I don’t even care about amnesty anymore as much as I care that the Tea Party can’t do anything for me.
petunia on October 19, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Unhinged pro-amnesty RINO petunia, why do you hate principled conservatives? Why are you always so afraid of what the Obama news media will say? Why do you spend all your time on here attacking conservatives?

bluegill on October 21, 2013 at 9:02 PM

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:59 PM

You should really read this piece.

Murphy9 on October 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Even if that means we are under Socialism forever? How can that be?

I don’t think Conservatism is served by being Socialists.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Nor by ‘moderate’ McCains and Grahams.

KCB on October 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM

I can do math. And you are never in power with 30 Senators. And nothing is accomplished accept selling our country down the river.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM

YOu know. I don’t even care about amnesty anymore as much as I care that the Tea Party can’t do anything for me.
petunia on October 19, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Unhinged pro-amnesty RINO petunia, why do you hate principled conservatives? Why are you always so afraid of what the Obama news media will say? Why do you spend all your time on here attacking conservatives?

bluegill on October 21, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Chick fight?

KCB on October 21, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Destroying the Republican Party is not the answer.
Okay… carry on… keep thinking in small little circles… hopefully someone who didn’t fully understand the extent to which you hate the Republican Party will understand that you do not have a goal of winning back our country.
petunia on October 21, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Petunia, your kind is destroying the party. Conservatives are the ones fighting to make it stand for something.

Petunia, politicians like your hero John McCain are the problem, not principled conservatives who are doing what we the people elected them to do.

bluegill on October 21, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Unhinged pro-amnesty RINO petunia, why do you hate principled conservatives? Why are you always so afraid of what the Obama news media will say? Why do you spend all your time on here attacking conservatives?

bluegill on October 21, 2013 at 9:02 PM

You say you are conservative with your words, but your actions say you are a Socialist.

I just want some of you to rethink the way you are doing things, because your actual goal may be different than these other people you have been hanging out with.

It might be that some of you actually are conservatives, and realize that these people are not. They are Socialists.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Petunia, your kind is destroying the party. Conservatives are the ones fighting to make it stand for something.

Petunia, politicians like your hero John McCain are the problem, not principled conservatives who are doing what we the people elected them to do.

bluegill on October 21, 2013 at 9:05 PM

You are fine with 30 Senators?

And I am destroying the Party?

Do the math.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 9:07 PM

“Wackobird”-def-

A bird that can’t fly without getting shot out of the sky in east Asia?

wolly4321 on October 21, 2013 at 9:07 PM

So the Chamber of Crony Capitalism doesn’t like taxpayers balking at the corruption between politicians and big business. Too bad. Go to H_ll. You guys only think about yourselves. You don’t give a crap about the USA. You are just like Obama, ie, me, me, me, all the time.

Charm on October 21, 2013 at 9:07 PM

I can do math. And you are never in power with 30 Senators. And nothing is accomplished accept selling our country down the river.
petunia on October 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM

That was a line said for effect on a TV show. It was the make the point that we need better representatives, not just any old crony with an R next to their name. Wake up and smell the coffee, genius. You are acting like you unearthed some great secret while listening to “The Five” today.

bluegill on October 21, 2013 at 9:08 PM

I don’t like McCain either, but I am not throwing out the whole Party out of spite for stuff a stupid Senator did or said.

And my goal is not to be a perpetual minority.

That is letting the Democrats do everything they want.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 9:09 PM

US Chamber of Crony Capitalists.

Punchenko on October 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

bluegill on October 21, 2013 at 9:08 PM

I did, I got my suspicions proved true.

You are all wanting the Democrats to run things, that is why you are so mad at the Republicans all the time.

I can do math. Your way is disaster for Conservatism.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

You are fine with 30 Senators?
And I am destroying the Party?
Do the math.
petunia on October 21, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Duh, we all want to retake the Senate. But we also want to send better people there.

bluegill on October 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Palin again:

Congress Has America Caught Up in Endless Extortion Scheme

After this yesterday:

D.C.’s Corrupt Bastards Club

And after those revelations here:

Schweizer: Congressmen Extorting Donors to Fund Golf Outings, Limo Services

and so many others…

…and HA couldn’t care less.

BabyGrace on October 21, 2013 at 9:11 PM

US Chamber of Davos Men.

Punchenko on October 21, 2013 at 9:11 PM

wolly4321 on October 21, 2013 at 9:07 PM

LOL…

d1carter on October 21, 2013 at 9:11 PM

We’re shaking in our boots.

2014 is going to be Stalingrad for RINOs.

rrpjr on October 21, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Please think about what you are advocating.

Thinka bout what you are advocating moron. You do not waste your efforts to take over the government by replacing the regressive democrats in power today with regressive Republicans tomorrow. You end up with the exact same REGRESSIVE government. Evidence, BUSH and 2001 through 2007 which led to Democrats having absolute control of the government from 2009 through 2011 and primary control until today and through at least 2017.

I see you all saying conservative things, but then work against taking over the government.

You play the game of arguing that you are about taking over the government. For who’s benefit? The regressive statists that want to grow government AGAINST our CONSERVATIVE wishes.

I don’t want to be in the minority forever!

You are not in the minority retard, you are a regressive dimwit with an IQ hovering somewhere near your shoe size.

Are you part of a team, or out to destroy the Republican Party?

I am part of a team. The one that is the only chance this nation has of ever recovering. Part and parcel of that end game is replacing those in the GOP with people who think and act like I do. Basically getting rid of people that “think” and act like you do.

Yeah so they spent too much too.

They set the entire premise for all this spending. $700 billion just because we needed a big enough number to SCARE the freaking morons of American into capitulating and backing our destruction of the free market. The bill came out a little over $850 Billion in the end once all the bonus spending was added in to buy votes. That set up the perpetual just shy of a trillion dollars is the new “the government must do something” floor. Thus a $970 billion Stimuless. The price tag of the largely faked $900 billion for Obamacare.

But it was better than this!

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM

No, Actually it was not. It destroyed the conservative credentials of the Republican brand and that there is why the Republican party is the MINORITY party.
Bush spent and spent and spent, he blew up the housing bubble and then let it explode on his watch. He fought wars in an ignorant and stupid way. Cheap wars! Funny that the cheap method seems to have created the single longest war in the history of the nation. 2001 through today yet!

astonerii on October 21, 2013 at 9:12 PM

bluegill on October 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

That may be your goal. But lots of the people you hang with are fine with simply getting revenge against the Republicans and NEVER getting any real power to do anything.

They won’t admit it, but Eric Boiling did today. And some here did too.

Revenge is what they want not Conservatism.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 9:12 PM

BabyGrace on October 21, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Read this earlier today. Nice addition! Thanks!

KCB on October 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

UFBS detected. Initializing line-by-line breakdown:

My fellow Republicans,

Channeling McCain, I see

If you are a Republican like me,

We are conservatives

and really want to back away from the Socialism

Enabled by the party

that has taken over our government for the past 7 years.

Sentence is a fragment, remove that period

We need to come to terms with

Insanity?

the people who say that everyone but them is a RINO.

Defining deviancy down

Watch the Five on Fox today.

Proceeds to cite a non-conservative source, well done

Eric Boiling admits that they don’t want to change the government.

All conservatives do

They only want to purify the Republican Party.

Loyalty > Purity

The Republican Party is their focus,

Enablers

not the government.

Enabled

They are fine with the way the Democrats are running things.

LIB, but no we aren’t

I say… there can not be that many of them.

Less people identify as liberals

Most of us want to win back the government

Win back the problem?

and stop the Socialism.

Evidence please

If you are not aware of what these people are really doing…

Living their lives and partial engagement?

Watch the Five on Fox today.

See above

Please.

Seperated from main sentence = begging

Watch it, or read a transcript.

No thanks

He doesn’t care about the government at all.

We can do with less

It is all about taking over the Republican Party

Conservatives unite

and making it a minority Party.

To rid ourselves of the Whigs

I bet there are a lot of the commenters

I can name 7

here who agree with Eric Boling

You can’t even keep the name straight

that it is better to have 30 perfect Senators

Loyalty is hard

and 70 Democrats running this country,

States are irrelevant

than to have 51 Republicans, and get back some control!

Those darn purist who don’t exist

We can’t let them run the Party!

Priorities

We need to know who they are

Reading HA comments is hard

and stop them from wrecking this country.

Less govt = Detroit

Go back to the Libertarians,

Coalitions

be the minority of complainers,

I’ve done this one

but leave the Republican Party alone!!!!

BRITNNEYYYY!!!!

I want to win elections,

Priorities

and while you call yourselves Republicans

I’ve seen this before somewhere

we can’t get the middle to come our way.

Surrender

You scare them off!!!!

Isn’t that supposed to be plural? (You’ll)

I want to stop Socialism,

Two priorities say otherwise

not be a perpetual minority.

Grammer is really hard

You are lying to people,

3000%

and that needs to stop.

If you like your plan…

Admit who you are,

I go by Nobar

and what your goal is.

National Divorce

So we can stop listening to you.

Proofreading is fundamental

We need to rethink

Now’s not the time for new habits

support for these extereme “Republicans”

“Wacko Birds”

They are not REpublicans

Anger leads to bad typing

and they should go to a Party like the Libertarians,

Hatred leads to stupid

and keep up the c omplaining.

Suffer, your comments will.

I want to get the Country back!

Two priorities say otherwise

Not just complain.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 8:41 PM

See whole post

nobar on October 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

eon on October 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Excellent points.

I’ve been thinking for many years now that the true free enterprise model is dead. So much easier to buy politicians in order to stifle competition, set prices and so on.

They don’t really “make money” any more, that is, actually create wealth. Instead, they rob the real wealth out there and play with numbers so they can accrue real assets (property, machinery, mines, companies, precious metals and so on).

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Does anybody have a good definition of “Wacko Birds”…? Firt time I ever heard that term it was uttered on the floor of the US Senate. Anybody?

d1carter on October 21, 2013 at 8:59 PM

petunia

astonerii on October 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

I see the flower
is having another rinogasmic
tantrum….*yawn*

bazil9 on October 21, 2013 at 9:14 PM

You are all wanting the Democrats to run things, that is why you are so mad at the Republicans all the time.
I can do math. Your way is disaster for Conservatism.
petunia on October 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

You’re just mad because you were called out as nothing but a pro-amnesty RINO who spends her nights bashing conservatives online. We get it.

Why don’t you spend more time promoting your idols John McCain and people like Christie and Rubio rather than trolling conservatives who have had it with the “corrupt bastards club” of DC?

bluegill on October 21, 2013 at 9:14 PM

astonerii on October 21, 2013 at 9:12 PM

We can’t go back wards. But getting revenge against Bush is not going to stop spending.

Letting the Democrats run everything for the foreseeable future is not stopping spending.

If you think you can do anything but complain if you have 30 perfect Senators and the Democrats have 70 Senators.

You have no answers. You only destroy out of revenge.

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM

bazil9 on October 21, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Hey you! I like your outfit…

KCB on October 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Petunia, do you want to see Graham defeated in a primary? If not, why not?

bluegill on October 21, 2013 at 9:17 PM

petunia on October 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Why can’t the establishment rally around the conservatives in the party?

Murphy9 on October 21, 2013 at 9:18 PM

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