Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on October 20, 2013 by Allahpundit

Last week, President Barack Obama gathered some of his top advisers in the Oval Office to discuss the problem-plagued rollout of his health care legislation. He told his team the administration had to own up to the fact that there were no excuses for not having the health care website ready to operate on Day One

Administration officials say more than 476,000 health insurance applications have been filed through federal and state exchanges. The figures mark the most detailed measure yet of the problem-plagued rollout of the insurance market place.

However, the officials continue to refuse to say how many people have actually enrolled in the insurance markets.

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Senator Marco Rubio (R., Fla.) wouldn’t call for Health and Human Services secretary Kathleen Sebelius’ resignation at this juncture, but he indicated he may do so later on.

“I think that may become an option,” Rubio said on Fox News Sunday today. “I’m not a big fan of media calls for people to resign, but I think in this case, actions like the one you just outlined are going make it harder and harder for her to do her job effectively.”…

“Her refusal to testify and be transparent about it, I think, is undermining her credibility,” he said. “And there may come a point now, perhaps we’re not there today … where she will have to resign, largely because she no longer has the credibility to do the job.”

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[T]he fact that the White House is having trouble implementing Obamacare also should not come as a particular surprise. It is not that the Obama administration is especially incompetent. Rather, the program it is charged with executing is a complex public-private hybrid that has no real precedent elsewhere in the world. The blend is purely American: Policymakers in the United States have a history of jerry-rigging complicated programs of this sort precisely because they have little faith in government. The result is a self-fulfilling prophecy that fuels only deeper public cynicism about the welfare state…

The real source of Obamacare’s current problems lies in the law’s complexity. A straightforward way to assure coverage would have been to extend an existing, well-worn program to more people. This is how most other countries guarantee health insurance. In the British National Health Service, there is little that beneficiaries need to do in order to receive health insurance, as all residents are automatically entitled…

The larger irony here is that administering a complex public-private health-care system often requires more government, not less. Yet the very same impulse that created this system also impairs the government agencies that could effectively oversee it.

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The “most transparent administration in history” has been aggressively silent about HealthCare.gov’s debacle. CGI Global just flat out won’t talk to the press. Kathleen Sebelius, secretary of health and human services, did a widely panned interview with Jon Stewart, where she made the claim that excess demand is crushing the system…

Now, there are all sorts of well-intentioned reasons why the administration would behave in a closed, paranoid fashion. Republicans are circling like vultures for any weakness that could legitimize a delay or reversal of the Affordable Care Act. So the administration sweeps problems under a rug, in the hopes that they can sort out the mess later.

But these tactics are telling about the true values of the White House. When push comes to shove, it does not see democracy as a solution to problems. It does not trust citizens, it does not trust the press, and it definitely doesn’t trust the entrepreneurial spirit of small business.

Like a paranoid ruler, it only trusts what it can directly control. HealthCare.gov could have been a shining example of how an open exchange of ideas makes America a better place, setting precedent for a more innovative government generations to come. That was Obama’s big promise about the change he would bring to Washington. Now, our healthcare system is as broken as Obama’s promise.

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The penalty for being uninsured next year is $95. Again, this is partly true. In fact, the penalty for being uninsured next year is $95 or 1 percent of your income, whichever is higher. So if you make $75,000 a year and you decide to go without insurance, the penalty will be $750. There are a number of things you can do to avoid having to pay it, from deliberately getting your utilities shut off to under-withholding taxes from your paycheck so that they don’t have a refund from which to take out the penalty. But that number is what will go on the books at the Internal Revenue Service, not the $95 you’ve probably heard.

If the exchanges don’t work, as a last resort, we can always get people signed up through call centers. It’s true, there are call centers. But the computer systems at the call centers for states running the insurance exchanges are the same as the computer systems that consumers are having such a hard time with. A nice woman at a federal call center told me that (at least for the state of Florida, where my in-laws live) there is an alternate procedure: They can fill out a manual application in PDF format. But she also told me that it takes three weeks for that application to be mailed to your house. After you receive it, you check the application to ensure it’s accurate, and then mail it in. One to two weeks later, you will be notified of your subsidy eligibility. Then you can actually enroll in a plan, though she wasn’t quite clear on how that part would work — do you call back again?

This may work for older people who simply can’t figure out how to use computers, or for desperately ill people who have been rebuffed by the computer system . . . but so will repeatedly logging in until you finally get the system to work. It is unlikely to get loads of healthy, young, premium-paying folks to sign up for insurance and thereby make this whole thing financially viable. And by the time we’re ready to default to this option, it’s unlikely that there will be enough time to make it work.

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During an interview for “This Week,” former Republican Florida Gov. Jeb Bush encouraged Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz – who told ABC News that he would do “anything” to stop Obamacare – to come up with an alternative and show some restraint if his aim was to repeal the president’s signature healthcare law.

“I think the best way to repeal Obamacare is to have an alternative; we never hear the alternative…we could do this in a much lower cost with improved quality based on our principles, free market principles…and two, show how Obamacare, flawed to its core, doesn’t work,” Bush said.

“So have a little bit of self-restraint. It might actually be a politically — a better approach to see the massive dysfunction,” he said, after being asked by ABC’s Jonathan Karl what his message would be for Cruz, who is still keen on repealing Obamacare.

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If this happens, there will be a lot of schadenfreude on the right at the spectacle of technocratic failure. But the wreck of the exchanges may actually be worse for conservative policy objectives than a more successful rollout would have been.

That’s because while conservatives think the Obamacare exchanges are overregulated and oversubsidized, they are actually closer to the right-of-center vision for health care reform than the Obamacare Medicaid expansion, which is happening no matter what transpires with Healthcare.gov. So if the exchanges fail and the Medicaid expansion takes effect (and, inevitably, becomes difficult to roll back), we’ll be left with an individual market that’s completely dysfunctional and a more socialized system over all.

In that scenario, the Democratic Party would probably end up pushing, not for the pipe dream of true single payer, but for a further bottom-up/top-down socialization, in which Medicare is offered to 55- to 65-year-olds and Medicaid is eventually expanded even more.

Meanwhile, the task for serious conservative reformers — already not the most politically effective bunch — might actually become harder, because they would have to explain how their plan to build an effective, exchange-based marketplace differed from the Obama White House’s exchange fiasco.

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Via NRO.

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Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 1:34 AM

Schad, I’m wondering how many pre-open-reg people are still here. OmahaConservative shows up for 10 minutes, maybe Dire. Everyone else pre-reg is gone. I guess I am too. Have fun.

John the Libertarian on October 21, 2013 at 2:16 AM

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 2:12 AM

sleep well kind sir

going2mars on October 21, 2013 at 2:17 AM

going2mars on October 21, 2013 at 2:15 AM

LOL! I’m sure they’d appreciate that immensely. :)

They’ve got their own problems… and it’s still part of the same continent.

The problem for people who have a work ethic and build something wonderful that works is that those who want to live off of that effort without contributing are never far behind…and they invariably want to make up rules to harness those who work to provide for them.

thatsafactjack on October 21, 2013 at 2:20 AM

John the Libertarian on October 21, 2013 at 2:16 AM

I’m here.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 21, 2013 at 2:21 AM

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 2:12 AM

Goodnight, my friend.:)Yes, Hallelujah, indeed. :) Sleep well.

thatsafactjack on October 21, 2013 at 2:22 AM

I guess I am too. Have fun.

John the Libertarian on October 21, 2013 at 2:16 AM

Good friend, I know how you might feel. However, pls reconsider. Your honesty is always appreciated. J is a good soul and all that s/b forgotten and it is.

You take very good care of the little one. She needs our sanity. Consider that we’re all in a not so good mood. Best to you always, and I hope to ‘see’ you here, maybe after a time off.

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 2:23 AM

I don’t smoke…..

williamg on October 21, 2013 at 2:24 AM

You too sleep well J, and G2Mars.

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 2:24 AM

You take very good care of the little one. She needs our sanity. Consider that we’re all in a not so good mood. Best to you always, and I hope to ‘see’ you here, maybe after a time off.

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 2:23 AM

Indeed, John. Take care, sleep well.

thatsafactjack on October 21, 2013 at 2:26 AM

thatsafactjack on October 21, 2013 at 2:20 AM

dont laugh at that canada deal
a few million well placed voters
could tip that place faster
than our current struggles with the
tens of millions of libs we have here…
id bet a 100 million americans (at least) havent a honest
clue what the tea party is all about..

thats a lot of work for us…..
canada….not so many..!!!

going2mars on October 21, 2013 at 2:27 AM

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 2:24 AM

:)

thatsafactjack on October 21, 2013 at 2:27 AM

maybe after a time off.

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 2:23 AM

I greatly admire your fortitude. True grit.

John the Libertarian on October 21, 2013 at 2:27 AM

going2mars on October 21, 2013 at 2:27 AM

That’s an excellent point and well reasoned argument. I like the new bench. :)

thatsafactjack on October 21, 2013 at 2:28 AM

Still Got The Blues – Moore

I bid you all a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always.

Live in the moment.

“Keep yourselves where the light is.”

Goodnight, going2mars. Sleep well. :)

thatsafactjack on October 21, 2013 at 2:31 AM

thatsafactjack on October 21, 2013 at 2:28 AM

they are making more EBT freaks faster
then we can absorb them into society..

were short numbers..
because ‘free’ is easy…
and an honest positive contribution to society is hard..

going2mars on October 21, 2013 at 2:35 AM

thatsafactjack on October 21, 2013 at 2:31 AM

sleep well you too..
and tyvm for the bench…it was comfey..

going2mars on October 21, 2013 at 2:36 AM

the British National Health Service, there is little that beneficiaries need to do in order to receive health insurance, as all residents are automatically entitled…

Heh. I remember back just a few short years ago, NHS had to do a billion dollars (or was it Pounds) revamp to fix their gateway and it was no where nearly as complex as Oboobi, nor serving as many. So where do we draw a red line and say no more $$ to a failed project? 50 billion? 1/2 trillion?

AH_C on October 21, 2013 at 2:54 AM

I like the new bench. :)

thatsafactjack on October 21, 2013 at 2:28 AM

I was right about you.

John the Libertarian on October 21, 2013 at 2:55 AM

John the Libertarian on October 21, 2013 at 2:55 AM

what??…

have i done something i shouldnt have ??…

going2mars on October 21, 2013 at 3:00 AM

John the Libertarian on October 21, 2013 at 2:55 AM

John, you will always blame me or someone else for your problems.

I said I like the new bench because going2mars is a new friend. He made some interesting comments.

It had nothing to do with you.

That’s the last time I will explain anything to you. Goodnight, John. Try to pull yourself together.

thatsafactjack on October 21, 2013 at 3:02 AM

i never thought sitting on a bench
pondering the tea party overthrow of canada
would cause such a problem…

im sorry if you felt i was in the wrong..

going2mars on October 21, 2013 at 3:13 AM

What the flip is going on? I’ll have to do a Vulcan mind meld with Twerp to figure it out.

SparkPlug on October 21, 2013 at 3:34 AM

i have the feeling ..
that i may be the only one
that has’nt a clue of what just happened here..

i hope you all release a cliff notes version..
so i can catch up

going2mars on October 21, 2013 at 3:38 AM

Schad, I’m wondering how many pre-open-reg people are still here. OmahaConservative shows up for 10 minutes, maybe Dire. Everyone else pre-reg is gone. I guess I am too. Have fun.

John the Libertarian on October 21, 2013 at 2:16 AM

I’ll remind you that we aren’t all going to like & respect each other here equally, that’s just reality. With that truth in mind, why the desire to leave? Do you believe you’re the only one who’s serious enough?

You could change your approach instead…I suggest trying to create the elevated type of conservation you are looking for by asking others for it rather than expecting it from them, and then focusing on those who positively respond to your gesture while ignoring (relatively) those who unheed it – you may be surprised by the result! :)

The Moody Blues – “Ride My See-Saw”

Anti-Control on October 21, 2013 at 3:46 AM

Anti-Control on October 21, 2013 at 3:46 AM
great tune…
is john yelling at me with his open reg claim??
i read MM for years befor there was a HA…
and read HA since day 1…….
i dont remember john day 1…
i could be wrong..
im sorry if i grind on you like nails on the chalkboard
still…..i am not your trouble bub…

going2mars on October 21, 2013 at 3:57 AM

oh an …back at ya AC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA-vYQjQbRo

going2mars on October 21, 2013 at 4:04 AM

great tune…

This is, too:

Spirit – “I Got a Line on You”

is john yelling at me with his open reg claim??

read MM for years befor there was a HA…
and read HA since day 1…….
i dont remember john day 1…
i could be wrong..
im sorry if i grind on you like nails on the chalkboard
still…

I don’t believe he was slamming you at all.

i am not your trouble bub…

going2mars on October 21, 2013 at 3:57 AM

John knows this…I’ve got to go again, it was good to see you, g2m! :)

Anti-Control on October 21, 2013 at 4:16 AM

Anti-Control on October 21, 2013 at 4:16 AM
thanks for the tune and the tip…sleep well

going2mars on October 21, 2013 at 4:18 AM

Morning all.

[T]he fact that the White House is having trouble implementing Obamacare also should not come as a particular surprise. It is not that the Obama administration is especially incompetent. Rather, the program it is charged with executing is a complex public-private hybrid that has no real precedent elsewhere in the world.

Actually, it’s both. Zero is both stupid and crazy. The software is complex and poorly done. Was it really written by Canadians? If true that’s another illustration of just how concerned Zero is with unemployment in THIS country.

dogsoldier on October 21, 2013 at 5:01 AM

And Obama sucks, too.

Am I right, NSA-and-DHS-folks who are keeping tabs on this “extremist” blog–folks??

And I hate the Park Rangers now too.

For good measure.

I want to sic Walter White on the lot of you.

Sherman1864 on October 21, 2013 at 5:23 AM

“Her refusal to testify and be transparent about it, I think, is undermining her credibility,” he said. “And there may come a point now, perhaps we’re not there today … where she will have to resign, largely because she no longer has the credibility to do the job.”

No credibility?! How about SHE REFUSES TO TESTIFY!!!!???

Cleombrotus on October 21, 2013 at 5:45 AM

Speaking of quotes of the day.
How about bringing Bush back into the mix with an “anonymous official” explaining why the President went into Irag, “We were looking for someones ass to kick.”
Now, libtards are listing this as a “reason for going into Irag” , but are too stupid to know the difference between a reason and a motivational phrase; like a coach telling his team to “get out there and kill, (or crush) the other team”.
And now I ask … why is it so hard for Republicans to beat Demoncrats?

kregg on October 21, 2013 at 6:03 AM

No credibility?! How about SHE REFUSES TO TESTIFY!!!!???

Cleombrotus on October 21, 2013 at 5:45 AM

My theory is that if she were to testify she would have to plead the 5th because the House Commerce Committee wants to know just how long ago she knew that HealthCare.gov was not ready and yet she was out there claiming that everything was just super awesome- even after it became clear that the site was nothing more than an Error 404 generator.

I say subpeona her ass and don’t let her leave that hearing until she has lost even whatever shred of credibility she has now. My prediction, she’ll soon do the “leaving office to spend more time with my cats” thing within the next couple months.

Happy Nomad on October 21, 2013 at 6:48 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Trolls.

I got a feeling about political correctness. I hate it. It causes us to lie silently instead of saying what we think.

– Hal Holbrook
My take: “Political Correctness and the Washington REdskins”

kingsjester on October 21, 2013 at 6:52 AM

Somewhat OT-

Mike Huckabee in his daily radio spot was in full attack mode against Ted Cruz. He started off as calling the attempt to defund Obamacare like Little Big Horn (brash arrogance, not listening to those with more experience, etc.) instead of the Alamo (heroic last stand). From there he shifted to a Biblical drift where those in the defund camp were “legalists” who framed everything into ideological purity instead of listening to their elders about the need for change through civil means. He also likened it to trying to derail a train instead of turn it around (which takes time and patience).

Well, my response to all that is this. We gave the establishment GOP three effing years to do something other than talk about the need to get rid of Obamacare….. right up to and past the moment where it went officially on line. So Huckabee is dead wrong. The establishment GOP never EVER tried to turn the train around.

Happy Nomad on October 21, 2013 at 6:58 AM

My take: “Political Correctness and the Washington REdskins”

kingsjester on October 21, 2013 at 6:52 AM

Let’s talk about political correctness and the Oneida Nation which is fueling this media storm. Given the high incidence of alcoholism and substance abuse in the population of Native Americans, how is it morally right to sell booze and cigs at the casinos the tribe runs? The money they are spending on this PR stunt is dirty money.

Happy Nomad on October 21, 2013 at 7:01 AM

Happy Nomad on October 21, 2013 at 6:58 AM

If uck thinks that sucking up to the GOPe is going to move his political carerr along, he mistaken. The Vichy Republicans think that Huck is a hick.

kingsjester on October 21, 2013 at 7:03 AM

Huckabee is a pro-amnesty loser who appeals to the dumbest sect of the party, I’m sorry to say.

After what he did with the anti-Mormon comments in 2008 and after his support for Akin, I want nothing to do with him. He talks to his audience as if they’re school children. Can’t stand his “aw shucks” clown act. It was embarrassing to see how many people voted for him (and Santorum) in Iowa because he talked a lot about his religious views.

We also have Huckabee to thank for the McCain nomination.

bluegill on October 21, 2013 at 7:15 AM

If uck thinks that sucking up to the GOPe is going to move his political carerr along, he mistaken. The Vichy Republicans think that Huck is a hick.

kingsjester on October 21, 2013 at 7:03 AM

The fact of the matter is that nobody likes the Huckster. He’s a social liberal who let murderers out of prison to kill again. He’s like the Quisling Republicans who supports big government and increasing social welfare. At the same time he was the biggest defender of Todd Akin staying in the MO Senate race.

But where I really take offense at Huckabee is that he calls himself an evangelical Christian. Why? Because I think his brand of evangelism gives it a bad name for what really constitutes evangelical principles.

Happy Nomad on October 21, 2013 at 7:18 AM

After what he did with the anti-Mormon comments in 2008 and after his support for Akin, I want nothing to do with him. He talks to his audience as if they’re school children. Can’t stand his “aw shucks” clown act. It was embarrassing to see how many people voted for him (and Santorum) in Iowa because he talked a lot about his religious views.

bluegill on October 21, 2013 at 7:15 AM

I had forgotten just how instrumental Huckabee was in attacking Romney during the primaries because of his LDS affiliation. It was really an underhanded way of splitting the vote to let perpetual Sunday talk show guest John McCain get the nomination.

Please see my comments above about why I take offense to Huckabee calling himself an Evangelical Christian. I’m not doubting his faith but that’s about the only thing I can say about how he mis-uses that faith in the public discourse.

Happy Nomad on October 21, 2013 at 7:23 AM

I got a feeling about political correctness. I hate it. It causes us to lie silently instead of saying what we think.

– Hal Holbrook
My take: “Political Correctness and the Washington REdskins”

kingsjester on October 21, 2013 at 6:52 AM

….what ^ Hal Holbrook said!

KOOLAID2 on October 21, 2013 at 7:24 AM

“I think the best way to repeal Obamacare is to have an alternative; we never hear the alternative…we could do this in a much lower cost with improved quality based on our principles, free market principles…and two, show how Obamacare, flawed to its core, doesn’t work,” Bush said.

Say, Jeb, after Obamacare who will trust ANY party to try and implement ANYTHING in this area? In fact if you had to try and re-pass the M&Ms would ANYONE trust the federal government to do even that with its long history of underpayment, poor forms processing and inability to actually function efficiently?

Sorry but the solution to Big Government by one party is NOT Big Government from the other party.

To date no one has shown that the demographic that Obamacare is supposed to serve actually WANTS government to do ANYTHING in this area. Those who complained about companies pulling out when large claims come up should be suing the butts off the companies and BANKRUPTING THEM via law suits. Yet that is not the solution we ever heard to this ‘problem’: it required Obamacare, donchyaknow?

So, Jeb, where is the compelling reason for Obamacare? And after this experience what makes you think that anyone wants an ‘alternative’? Indeed the question of citizens trusting their government is becoming a prime one and your idea of a ‘solution’ is indicative that you don’t comprehend this. Government IS THE PROBLEM. It is a theft operation able to make law and run Ponzi Schemes that will impoverish the young and poor while making a great benefit to the older population who should have been planning on their end of life problems for DECADES if government wasn’t there to ‘help’. As it is you are heading into an era where ‘cold turkey’ on govenment ‘help’ may be the American solution to Big Government. And that puts you and your quaint, buggy-whip ideas into the circular file, and good riddance.

ajacksonian on October 21, 2013 at 7:32 AM

Happy Nomad on October 21, 2013 at 7:23 AM

Why are you afraid of doubting his faith? Maybe you should. He was a pastor who stepped down to become a politician and now he’s a media pundit.

Doesn’t seem to be the trajectory the Bible proposes for the true believer.

Personally, I think the church needs a little more doubting of people’s faith. We just assume anyone who quotes the Bible is saved.

Cleombrotus on October 21, 2013 at 7:36 AM

Please see my comments above about why I take offense to Huckabee calling himself an Evangelical Christian. I’m not doubting his faith but that’s about the only thing I can say about how he mis-uses that faith in the public discourse.
Happy Nomad on October 21, 2013 at 7:23 AM

I didn’t like how, in his endorsement of Akin, Huckabee specifically mentioned Akin’s religious beliefs as a reason to vote for him. I happen to agree with their beliefs and opinions on many social issues, and I know these kinds of things are often said in endorsements, but it just seemed like that was the primary reason why Huckabee endorsed Huckabee over arguably better candidates in the primaries. It was like for him this identity issue trumped other qualities of the candidates.

bluegill on October 21, 2013 at 7:53 AM

Anti-Control on October 21, 2013 at 3:46 AM

I’ve been here SEVEN years.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 21, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Sometimes it’s best to go to sleep early.

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2013 at 11:54 AM

I’ve been here SEVEN years.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 21, 2013 at 10:01 AM

I have faith in John that he’ll figure out what he’s been doing wrong, soon! :)

Anti-Control on October 21, 2013 at 11:58 AM

FloatingRock on October 20, 2013 at 11:12 PM
right above

Scrumpy on October 20, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Thanks, Scrumpy.

FloatingRock on October 21, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Test post

FloatingRock on October 21, 2013 at 12:23 PM

FloatingRock on October 21, 2013 at 12:18 PM

You are most welcome! :)

Scrumpy on October 21, 2013 at 1:58 PM

HAPPY BIRTHDAY Annoyinglittletwerp!!

I sincerely hope it is a glorious day for you in every way!

You are most deserving of a wonderful time :)

Scrumpy on October 21, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Please take 90 seconds to watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyMtHa-WKnM&sns=em

Tell me how this can ever be stopped.

PappyD61 on October 20, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Thank you for posting Pappy!! :)

Scrumpy on October 21, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Schadenfreude on October 20, 2013 at 11:59 PM

Dang it, I forgot why I got your linky here!

Must be somthing good you did, so a hearty Thank You!! :)

Scrumpy on October 21, 2013 at 2:02 PM

…As it is you are heading into an era where ‘cold turkey’ on govenment ‘help’ may be the American solution to Big Government. And that puts you and your quaint, buggy-whip ideas into the circular file, and good riddance.

ajacksonian on October 21, 2013 at 7:32 AM

That makes the 2 of us hoping for the same out come!!

Good Gosh Darn RIDDANCE!!

Scrumpy on October 21, 2013 at 2:03 PM

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