Republican Party to split, according to people who would never split the party

posted at 10:01 am on October 19, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

I think we’ve all seen the stories by now. In the wake of the Shutdownpalooza, which was either a death knell for conservatives or an incredible victory, depending who you ask, there was one thing for sure. The GOP is not just divided and arguing.. it’s headed for a full blown civil war from which one of the warring tribes will depart the field. Is there any truth to this? Depends who you ask, I suppose, but Matt Kibbe, the head of FreedomWorks, is at least admitting the possibility.

“I think that’s a real possibility because you’re seeing this clash between the new generation and — to me, it’s not just the old wing of the Republican Party versus the new wing — you’re really seeing a disintermediation in politics. It’s already happened with the Democratic Party,” Kibbe said. “It’s happening with the Republican Party now. And grassroots activists have an ability to self-organize, to fund candidates they’re more interested in, going right around the Republican National Committee and senatorial committee.”…

“As you know by now,” Kibbe said in the video, “Mitch McConnell and John Boehner have partnered with Harry Reid to pass a blank check to the president on this budget fight. There is no reform of Obamacare, there’s no defunding, there’s no delays. Um…we lost.”

He went on to say that the amount of vitriol directed at Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), Heritage Action, FreedomWorks and other agitators for further shutdowns and a debt default indicates that, in fact, the far-right is winning the fight against Obamacare and asks that donors send money to fund the insurrection against moderate Republicans.

Maybe it’s just me, but this is one of those questions which is much like Mark Twain’s view of the weather. Everybody talks about it, but nobody is going to do anything about it. It’s one of those areas where you seem to get a much better sense of the temperature by reading the comments at various conservative web sites than you do from the front page content, to say nothing of the cable news shows. If you spend some time – as we tend to do here – browsing the reader views and guest diaries at not only good ole’ Hot Gas, but at Red State, Right Wing News, National Review and others, you can develop a fairly unified perception: the RINOs have already cost the movement one election after another and have essentially destroyed the Republican Party.

Of course, if you look at the results of elections – particularly in House races – around the nation, it’s not really a unanimous call. There are a lot of districts, especially in the Northeast and the west coast, where Republicans win elections, but they are the kind of GOP candidates who are constantly reviled in forums such as those mentioned above. But hey.. somebody must be voting for them. And yet, you don’t see huge online conclaves for the so called “moderates” in the party. But they’re out there in numbers significant enough to win a lot of elections.

So if Matt is right, what’s holding everyone back? If there are these two huge groups dividing the GOP in half and they hate each other so much, why is there still just one Republican Party in America? Why hasn’t the Tea Party already bolted to form a new group of True Grassroots Conservatives? Why haven’t the moderates taken their Chris Christie bumper stickers and marched out to start up the “Reasonable Republican Coalition” across the land?

Because it’s not going to happen.

The Democrats have their own internal scuffles, it’s true. But they show up when it’s time to vote. They don’t always win, but you don’t see a “True Liberal Party” marching off the field to take their ball and go home. And the GOP is facing a boat roughly the same size as their own in this bathtub. If you cut the Republican pie in half, you get devoured by a bunch of fist bumping Left wingers. The various legs of the conservative stool are stuck with each other, let’s face it. And what’s more, they can’t survive without each other. It’s probably time to face up to that and begin figuring out a way to keep the marriage together.

You know… for the children.


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Bmore on October 19, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Bmore on October 19, 2013 at 6:49 PM

LOL!

kingsjester on October 19, 2013 at 6:50 PM

The Tea Party labels them that way. But the Tea Party lies.

If I learned anything this year, it is that the Tea Party lies and it wants us to have socialism.

petunia on October 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Petunia hasn’t a clue what the TEA party movement is. Must be getting its info from the projecting LSM.

Yes, there are socialists in the Republican Party too, but it ain’t the TEA party folks. Anyone claiming TEA party ideals and following socialist ideals is doing it to mislead people like you and, evidently, succeeding.

TfromV on October 19, 2013 at 7:01 PM

No.

Bmore on October 19, 2013 at 6:49 PM

. . . *hands bmore flower*

Axe on October 19, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Our taxes keep rising & so does the debt ceiling. continuos churning out of new laws & regulations. No interest in fixing the $125 billion in fraud, waste, redundancy. The country awash with lawyers & lawsuits yet ‘Tort Reform’ is never mentioned.

RdLake on October 19, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Meredith, petunia, bluegill, joana, this site is full of fking psychopaths.

Murphy9 on October 19, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Murphy9 on October 19, 2013 at 7:07 PM

No kiddin’.

kingsjester on October 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Republican Party to split, according to people who would never split the party

The Republican Party is largely useless. The natural order of things is that when something or someone is without use, they are replaced.

Bring on the divorce. As with all divorces it will be very painful but it’s very necessary.

RJL on October 19, 2013 at 7:14 PM

The Tea party is the spirit of God, Guns, and Country (the original version). There’s no Tea Party without social conservatives.

Axe on October 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Bmore :)

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2013 at 7:26 PM

That’s because the Dems are the “True Liberal Leftist Party” . Their base, policies and ideals are fully entrenched in far left-wing socialist liberalism leftism. Period. I don’t know what the hell the GOP is anymore…

cableguy615 on October 19, 2013 at 3:52 PM

They are never truly liberal. We are, good one!

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2013 at 7:28 PM

What are you talking about? The GOP is a frog in a pot of warm h2o. I just left and will NEVER EVER AGAIN vote for anyone with an (R) next to their name. It’s TP or NOTHING.

mmcnamer1 on October 19, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Meredith, petunia, bluegill, joana, this site is full of fking psychopaths.

Murphy9 on October 19, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Talk about projection. You’ve got rightwing crazies spouting insanity like “bullets, beans and rice is the only answer” and we’re the psychopaths?

There are so few rational voices on HA–us “trolls” who don’t march in lockstep with the rightwing whackos–yet we’re always the object of derision. What are you afraid of, TruCons? The truth, of course–you may run with impunity all over HA, crawling up each other’s arses, telling each other how smart you are and how you are well on the way to converting the US into a rightwing utopia, when in the real world you are such a small minority (with such an incredible talent for alienating rational voters) that you don’t stand a chance of seizing political power.

So, so funny that we few “trolls” are living rent-free in your heads!

Meredith on October 19, 2013 at 7:31 PM

it’s people like my two senators, from AZ that have drivin me out… especially John McCain.

Bye Bye GOP

mmcnamer1 on October 19, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Meredith on October 19, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Uh huh.

How’s President Romney doing?

kingsjester on October 19, 2013 at 7:36 PM

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Axe on October 19, 2013 at 7:49 PM

I’ve already left! The RINO’s can have it and they won’t be reelected ever again…Wait until they realize the demorat’s they have been sucking up to, don’t give Shizz about them!

No more “pins”, titles, nice offices and the taxpayers purse!

Tbone McGraw on October 19, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Well Meredith I don’t blame you for getting grumpy when someone calls you a “F*cking psychopath”…that’s uncalled for.

Anyway, how IS President Romney doing? Is Ann holding up well? Where does she ride her horse in DC?

So a party that increased Entitlement spending the most since LBJ (Bush ’43) and nominated McCain and Romney is “extreme?” And tell me again how those “moderates” worked out?

JFKY on October 19, 2013 at 8:06 PM

So, so funny that we few “trolls” are living rent-free in your heads!

Meredith on October 19, 2013 at 7:31 PM

You all can live in gehenna for all I care reprobate.

Ciao.

Murphy9 on October 19, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Why haven’t the moderates taken their Chris Christie bumper stickers and marched out to start up the “Reasonable Republican Coalition” across the land?

The so-called “moderates” (LOL) already have Obama bumper stickers, as Chris Chirstie so amply demonstrated when he set out to sabotage Mittens in the last weeks of the election … although the moron, Christie, also walked hand-in-hand with Barky on the beach because he had always really wanted to.

Because it’s not going to happen.

Don’t bet the farm on that. It started happening the last time the treasonous “moderates” tried to shove their aiding and abetting of illegals down our throat in 2006-2007 and it’s about to finish up, now. The GOP was given a lifeline and they tried to strangle the Tea Party with it. Smart bunch of guys, those GOP “moderates” are …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 19, 2013 at 8:18 PM

I left the party in 2007. But it doesn’t really matter. We are in thrall to career politicians and until that changes we are doomed to more of the same behavior we have experienced for the last 50 years. Our national treasury will continue to be looted to buy votes and influence.

I submit that it is futile to think that electing some more Republicans to congress will change the course of events enough to matter.

Meremortal on October 19, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Meremortal on October 19, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Then you’d better get back to your little bunker and inventory your MRE’s and ammunition….

I imagine Blacks said the same thing in 1856, or 1960, and the Hippies said the same thing in 1968. Good thing you weren’t around then….

JFKY on October 19, 2013 at 8:33 PM

At the moment, the GOP is not a party, it is a Cabal. You could see it at the McCain ‘convention’ where his ‘opponents’ handed him their voters before they got to the convention. Why run against him is you are not going to bargain for your delegates? Unless you were only there to split the vote

With the Romney convention, there was not even a pretense although the top down control was described as an important ‘show of unity’. There was no ‘platform fight’ because a platform would interfere with the goals of the Cabal

what do you call a party who takes major funding from hard core liberals of the other party, to run propaganda ads against what used to be called a party platform

Now big money big power interests from both parties are flying into DC for what they hope will be an end run around the people who voted GOP, in order to secure benefits for themselves via amnesty to the detriment of those who voted GOP

If the GOP really is a party, then members have to ask, what is in it for me

The real coup is not Obama, it is the big money libs, globalists and RINOs taking over the GOP by gaining ownership of enough elected representatives, some of whom misrepresented themselves to get elected, and using thug tactics to take out dissenters

entagor on October 19, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Do we have an issue which is as much of a wedge issue as slavery was in the time of the Whigs?

And, if we do, then those who fail to heed the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them?

Where are the Whigs?

unclesmrgol on October 19, 2013 at 8:48 PM

How’s President Romney doing?
kingsjester on October 19, 2013 at 7:36 PM

About as well as Vice President Palin.

bluegill on October 19, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Apparently there is a troll patrol out tonight. The Team Party is not the problem. It’s the idiots like Boehner, McConnel and McCain and the rest of the liberal to moderates who continue to bend over and take whatever the Dems want. The Tea Party is the only thing that is keeping this Republic from having a ONE party system.

flytier on October 19, 2013 at 8:55 PM

About as well as Vice President Palin.

bluegill on October 19, 2013 at 8:52 PM

And was at the TOP of that ticket? And tell me again about his “electability?”

JFKY on October 19, 2013 at 8:57 PM

JFKY on October 19, 2013 at 8:33 PM

How many pieces of silver did it take to buy Mitch McConnell?

unclesmrgol on October 19, 2013 at 9:02 PM

About as well as Vice President Palin.

bluegill on October 19, 2013 at 8:52 PM

The thought of Shotgun Joe just a heartbeat away from the Presidency amazes me.

unclesmrgol on October 19, 2013 at 9:04 PM

How many pieces of silver did it take to buy Mitch McConnell?

unclesmrgol on October 19, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Meaning what? He got an earmark, do you think I like McConnell? I will say this, he’s going to be re-elected…Matt Bevin isn’t going to beat him and neither is Allison Lundergan Grimes.

Sorry Dood/Doodette…he’s not my cup of tea, though he isn’t bad, for a career politician, he’s going to be back in DC until at least 2020 and more than likely he’s going to be either the Minority of Majority Floor Leader, come January 2015.

You can weep and wail all you want about that all you want…won’t change anything.

JFKY on October 19, 2013 at 9:06 PM

The thought of Shotgun Joe just a heartbeat away from the Presidency amazes me.

unclesmrgol on October 19, 2013 at 9:04 PM

There’s a point where you just have to laugh at the absurdity of it, though. I mean, again weep and wail or laugh, he still IS.

JFKY on October 19, 2013 at 9:07 PM

The Tea Party leaders led the rest of the party into a cul-de-sac, then declared victory and refused to provide any plan or leadership to get out of the trap (Cruz said as much when he was confronted by his Senate colleagues). Given the TP raison d’être is for the government to do as little as possible, the shutdown probably looked like an ideal outcome. It was also extremely profitable for the TP groups in terms of donations, another reason they wanted it to go on as long as possible. If their goal is more than just shutting down the government as often as possible, though, they need to have a better plan and agenda than just “government is evil, kill it.”

tagryn on October 19, 2013 at 9:16 PM

And was at the TOP of that ticket? And tell me again about his “electability?”
JFKY on October 19, 2013 at 8:57 PM

And I suppose you supported pro-amnesty Newt or anti-tea party Santorum?

Like it or not, Romney was the best of the available choices last time.

Moving forward, we potentially have much better conservative candidates. With people like Cruz and Rand in the mix, we no longer have to bother with incompetents like Palin.

bluegill on October 19, 2013 at 9:16 PM

You can weep and wail all you want about that all you want…won’t change anything.

JFKY on October 19, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Well, we all know now what he is — all that needs to be negotiated is the price. Wonder which way the wind blows in Kentucky?

unclesmrgol on October 19, 2013 at 9:20 PM

And I suppose you supported pro-amnesty Newt or anti-tea party Santorum?

Hey Doofus who was Romney’s VP Candidate, HINT, NOT PALIN…So let’s try again, who was at the top of that ticket? And tell me, again, about his electability.

JFKY on October 19, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Well, we all know now what he is — all that needs to be negotiated is the price. Wonder which way the wind blows in Kentucky?

unclesmrgol on October 19, 2013 at 9:20 PM

So tell me uncle, what’s your plan to replace not only the Democrats, but the RINO’s in the Senate? Because until both of those things happen, Mitch is very likely to be the Chief Republican in the Senate. Again weep and wail all you want….

He did well, on the Defense…I don’t think a single Republican voted for either Porkulus or ObamaCare….

Now, he likes the job, and if you put about 30 TEA Party Senators into the Senate, he’ll fight their fight(s)…because he likes being Majority Leader. More TEA Party Republicans means a more combative McConnell.

Lastly I guarantee you this, you put 5 TEA Party Republicans, House or Senate, up against someone like McConnell and McConnell’ win win EVERY TIME. As PJ O”Rouke says, age and guile beat youth and a bad haircut, EVERY TIME.

JFKY on October 19, 2013 at 9:26 PM

And don’t be so Defensive Bluegill…I wasn’t talking about Romney and his Presidential Coif.

JFKY on October 19, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Hey Doofus who was Romney’s VP Candidate, HINT, NOT PALIN…So let’s try again, who was at the top of that ticket? And tell me, again, about his electability.
JFKY on October 19, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Straight to the name-calling. Typical. That sort of behavior reveals that you are not confident in yourself. I see you were unable to admit to whom you supported and who would have been better than Romney. Was it pro-amnesty Newt or anti-tea party Santorum?

As for breaking off and starting a third-party, I am totally against it. What we need to be doing is what Cruz and Palin (I give her credit where credit is due) are leading the fight to do, and that is to change the party.

bluegill on October 19, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Talk about projection. You’ve got rightwing crazies spouting insanity like “bullets, beans and rice is the only answer” and we’re the psychopaths?

There are so few rational voices on HA–us “trolls” who don’t march in lockstep with the rightwing whackos–yet we’re always the object of derision. What are you afraid of, TruCons? The truth, of course–you may run with impunity all over HA, crawling up each other’s arses, telling each other how smart you are and how you are well on the way to converting the US into a rightwing utopia, when in the real world you are such a small minority (with such an incredible talent for alienating rational voters) that you don’t stand a chance of seizing political power.

So, so funny that we few “trolls” are living rent-free in your heads!

Meredith on October 19, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Yep, because this is “rational:”

“This structural degeneration is a big part of the problem. My friends on the American right fret that if we’re not careful we’ll end up like Europe. But we’re already worse than many parts of Europe, and certainly than the non-European West — by any measure you care to use. According to the IMF, the Danish government’s net debt is 10.3 percent of GDP, Australia’s is 12.7 percent, New Zealand’s 28.8 percent, the Netherlands’ 35.5 percent, Canada’s 35.9 percent, Germany’s 56.2 percent, France’s 86.5 percent — and the United States’ 89 percent. If you take America’s total indebtedness, it averages out to three-quarters of a million dollars per family: We are on course to becoming the first nation of negative-millionaires. But let’s just stick with the federal debt, the figure for which those bipartisan schmoozers are officially responsible: In Australia, each citizen’s share of the debt is $12,000; in New Zealand, it’s $15,000 per person; in Canada and Spain, $18,000; in the United Kingdom, $28,000; in Germany and France, $38,000; Italy, $44,000. And in the United States it’s $54,000 per person — twice as much as Britain, thrice as much as Canada, closing in on five times as much as Oz. On this trajectory, America is exiting the First World.

I think of recent “left-wing” governments among our allies. Up north, Jean Chrétien was a thuggish wardheeler presiding over a regime of repellent industrial-scale cronyism; Down Under, Kevin Rudd was a uniquely loathsome specimen of a human being, who communicated through a blizzard of effing asterisks and in idle moments ate his ear wax live on camera. Yet Australia was the only Western nation not to go into recession in 2008, and Canada spent the “fat” years of the Nineties paying down the national debt. Imagine that! As my old comrade Kate O’Beirne put it, “If only we could get American conservatives to be as fiscally responsible as Canadian liberals.” When I met Kevin Rudd a few years ago, he said to me, “I’m part of the pro-American Left.” “Crikey,” I replied, “America doesn’t have a pro-American Left, and in Europe they don’t even have a pro-American Right.” I didn’t know the half of it: These days, it’s not clear to me that the Republican party functions as a pro-American Right. That’s to say, Chrétien and Rudd, ghastly as they were, not only did less damage to their national finances than Obama, Reid, and Pelosi but they also did less damage than the GOP. I’m sure they dreamed the usual crazy dreams of wild-eyed lefties, but the system imposed disciplines on them that Washington doesn’t — on left or right.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/361644/potemkin-parliament-mark-steyn/page/0/1

The people who did this are the ones that Meredith, petunia and “Mr. Arkadin” love and support. This is their vision for America, broke and bleeding in the gutter.

ebrown2 on October 19, 2013 at 9:34 PM

The Tea Party is the only thing that is keeping this Republic from having a ONE party system.

flytier on October 19, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Unless we patch up these differences and fight the Dems instead of each other, we will end up with just that.

thebrokenrattle on October 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM

The Tea Party labels them that way. But the Tea Party lies.

If I learned anything this year, it is that the Tea Party lies and it wants us to have socialism.

petunia on October 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Aw, come on Petunia. After all, Mike Lee is a Mormon.

bw222 on October 19, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Straight to the name-calling. Typical. That sort of behavior reveals that you are not confident in yourself. I see you were unable to admit to whom you supported and who would have been better than Romney. Was it pro-amnesty Newt or anti-tea party Santorum?

Well Doofus, you asked about Veep PALIN…and I responded, and ask a THIRD time, who was at the top of that ticket, and tell me, again, about his “electability.”

I didn’t mention Romney and neither did you, or rather once I called you on your non sequitur, suddenly you get all offended…. Your the one with the Palin fixation…not me. So let me set that proverbial sundial…who headed the ()-Palin 2008 Ticket? Try real hard possibly you can tell me his/her name….

JFKY on October 19, 2013 at 9:47 PM

I read a recent column, where they cited an anonymous source representing one of the large donor groups who was complaining about not getting enough from the GOP. As much as anything, the battle comes down to corporatists and billionaires, represented by the establishment, GOP versus the rank and file Cruz, Lee, Palin and company.

Amnesty just may be the issue that causes the divorce.

bw222 on October 19, 2013 at 10:05 PM

i’m more in the Michael Walsh camp

But at least we all have a moment of clarity. The GOP is not, in any meaningful sense, a conservative, first-principles, Constitutionalist party — and unless it’s subsumed by the Tea Party, it never will be. Rather, it’s content to be the lesser half of the Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Party as long as it can collect some of the pork scraps from underneath the table of the Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Government. No wonder they keep losing — they like it.

the attacks from the RINO party were inexcusable. RINOs would never dare attack leftists or media types like that. They have a deep and abiding hatred…and why not? They’ve lived their lives as the go along party…the party that believes in Slow socialism, with a few dollops of cronyism. They have Lobbyists telling them what to thing, and they are rewarded for it.

actually, they have a sweet deal. They and their business donors make conservative sounds for a couple of months, and for that they get years of leeway to do the crony way, the socialism-lite way

and barry gets to do the socialism fast way.

r keller on October 19, 2013 at 10:07 PM

In politics football, winning is the only thing that matters.

matthew8787 on October 19, 2013 at 4:10 PM

The GOP held the Presidency and both Houses of Congress from 2003-2006. What did it get us? Barack Obama and a Chief Justice who rewrote ObamaCare to make it Constitutional.

bw222 on October 19, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Looks like HotAir needs a Zot button. The trolls (petunia, et al) are out in full force.

LoneStarGal on October 19, 2013 at 10:24 PM

I’ll give you guys this one: In their own words, ‘Yes’ Republicans look more like Democrats than ‘No’ Republicans

danielreyes on October 19, 2013 at 10:24 PM

It’s the staff writers here at Hot Air who are the real trolls. I no longer bother to read the dreck they put out, and just go straight to the comments on topics that interest me.

This post by Jaxx is a case in point. It’s just fluff. It’s actually beneath responding to. It’s like Obama with his “profits to earnings ratio” comment- it’s something so silly, that everybody just laughs at the idiot and he runs from the room.

I wish Jaxx had somewhere to go. Why doesn’t he just do something else with his weekends?

sartana on October 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM

I wish Jaxx had somewhere to go. Why doesn’t he just do something else with his weekends?
sartana on October 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM

You make a very good point about Jazz Shaw. Out of all the talented conservative writers out there, they chose him?

The readers deserve a lot better.

The comment section is what makes this site.

bluegill on October 19, 2013 at 11:06 PM

The beauty of this is people like McCain, Graham, and Cornyn, who are caught up in the whole inside the beltway culture believe, if there’s a split they win. I’m really not sure of that. The tea party changed the House of Representatives with a massive vote. Obama and the Democrats were so scared they sent the IRS after them to shut them out in 2012. You’ll notice that not too many establishment Republicans are interested in looking into the IRS scandal. I’m sure they believe the IRS did a good thing. That’s the problem. The IRS shouldn’t do that to anyone and, when the Washington insiders aren’t offended, that’s a problem and they need to go.

bflat879 on October 19, 2013 at 11:12 PM

…”The Democrats have their own internal scuffles, it’s true. But they show up when it’s time to vote. They don’t always win, but you don’t see a “True Liberal Party” marching off the field to take their ball and go home.”…

Um… They don’t have to. The Democrats purged their party of Moderates and Conservatives about 20 or 30 years ago. Democrats march in a goose-step that any dictator would admire. They fake positions during elections, but fall into line when the the jackboots meet the road. See OBAMACARE…

shorebird on October 19, 2013 at 11:58 PM

It’s the staff writers here at Hot Air who are the real trolls. I no longer bother to read the dreck they put out, and just go straight to the comments on topics that interest me.

sartana on October 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM

You have to blame Michelle Malkin as much as anyone. She hired both Allahpundit and Ed Morrissey knowing full well neither was a conservative. Like most capitalists, with Michelle making an extra buck trumps supporting the cause.

bw222 on October 19, 2013 at 11:58 PM

You have to blame Michelle Malkin as much as anyone. She hired both Allahpundit and Ed Morrissey knowing full well neither was a conservative. Like most capitalists, with Michelle making an extra buck trumps supporting the cause.

bw222 on October 19, 2013 at 11:58 PM

But no, this isn’t about purity./

thebrokenrattle on October 20, 2013 at 12:29 AM

It’s the staff writers here at Hot Air who are the real trolls. I no longer bother to read the dreck they put out, and just go straight to the comments on topics that interest me.

sartana on October 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM

You have to blame Michelle Malkin as much as anyone. She hired both Allahpundit and Ed Morrissey knowing full well neither was a conservative. Like most capitalists, with Michelle making an extra buck trumps supporting the cause.

bw222 on October 19, 2013 at 11:58 PM

Sorry, but as a longtime CQ regular I can assure you that Captain Ed is not what you believe.

Repeated examples of Ed being a non-conservative would help your argument. Get at it!

(No sundials left)

Del Dolemonte on October 20, 2013 at 12:30 AM

It’s like Obama with his “profits to earnings ratio” comment- it’s something so silly, that everybody just laughs at the idiot and he runs from the room.

sartana on October 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM

You’re giving Barky too much credit, there. He actually said, “profits AND earnings ratios“. Yep, he used “and” to describe a ratio. He is that jaw-droppingly stupid. That’s a mistake that no normal 8th grader would make – no American 8th grader. It was clear from that little bit that Barky couldn’t break 420 on the math section of the SATs on his best day.

Sadly, after demonstrating what nitwit and mathematical illiterate he is, Barky didn’t run from the room but continued (to this day) to offer his laughable opinions about finance, science, and all manner of issues that he obviously couldn’t possibly understand in the least. And people act as if he might actually have something to say about these things instead of calling him the retard and moron that he so clearly is. This is why I keep praying that someone will ask him, one day, “What is 2/5 – 4/11?” Either that or we would be able to see his pathetic SAT and LSAT scores, which would show everyone that Barky has an IQ that tops out at 84.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 20, 2013 at 1:09 AM

As a more libertarian conservative, I can truly say I’m not sure what the TP or GOP stand for today. Thereare so-called spokesman for each that clearly don’t speak for me.

Tater Salad on October 20, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Repeated examples of Ed being a non-conservative would help your argument. Get at it!

Del Dolemonte on October 20, 2013 at 12:30 AM

How many do you want?

Let’s start with the way he unabashedly kissed Obama’s ass after the Giffords shooting with his “Presidentism of the Day”. And every single damn time the congressional RINOs have stabbed us in the back over the past three years and sold the very floor out from under us, Ed’s been there the very next day with what I’m now fairly sure is a largely pre-written apologist screed about how Boehner, etc. did the best they could under impossible circumstances and we should really be applauding them while they kick us to the curb. Go back to every single CR, debt limit increase, and so-called budget deal since 2010 and I guarantee you’ll see virtually the exact same thing.

And that’s just off the top of my head.

Cylor on October 20, 2013 at 1:57 AM

Tater Salad on October 20, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Agreed. I find things on both sides I can agree or disagree with so view this sniping among their partisans as pointless. To think that most voters and Republicans wholly identify with one or the other is ridiculous. Both seem to be living in a dream world and fail to realize that the reality that exists is far from what they may think. If either are to have any effective impact on the national scene they’d better come to understand this or will continue to cast aside by much of the electorate. Instead we’re seeing “purity purges” which never ends well.

JohnAGJ on October 20, 2013 at 7:58 AM

I’m impressed Ed Morrissey is NOT a “Conservative.” Who Knew?

And it is statements like that that PROVE the TEA Party, “Conservatives” and “l”ibertarians NEED the GOP. Because the GOP provides a framework for argumentation, disputation and conflict resolution….

If “You People” ever formed a “Conservative Party” it would last about 30 minutes….and then You’d vote to throw Jazz Shaw out…a nd then Ed Morrissey out and then mayhap “Ace” out (Because he isn’t a Palinista and doesn’t think the Shut Down was a good idea) and THEN someone would throw YOU out of the Party…and of course, you’d realize it wasn’t YOU, but “Them” and that “they” were the REAL Conservatives! And in the end, you’d be sitting in the Forum discussing the Judean People’s Liberation Front v. the People’s Liberation Front of Judea v. those SPLITTERS “over there.”

All the while Pelosi and Reid and Hillary and Castro and a parade of Liberal DEMOCRATS would be running the country (into the ground) and laughing at you TruConz and your inability to stay united.

And by TruConz I mean Astonerii or Stoic Patriot (Buchanan Conservatives) and Hondav65 and Rick404 (Libertarians) and all the others on this board who “Know” what Conservatism is and who is and isn’t a “Conservative.”

JFKY on October 20, 2013 at 9:06 AM

I think some of us don’t understand what a “party” is about…to use a metaphor some of us here think it’s about a road trip to Burning Man or Dallas-Fort Worth….It’s not.

It’s about pooling our resources to go somewhere…now some people want to go to San Francisco. Lots of us don’t…we’d rather go to Dallas…but some want to go to Austin…so we have to agree to pool our resources to try to get to Texas, at least.

But some of you people here, want to drive all the way to where ever and just can’t grasp that it’s a communal road trip…and that you, or I for that matter, can’t just drive to where we want to go and say “F*ck those other people” because those other folks are paying for the petrol, too. And unless you just want to be stranded on the side of the road, petrol can in hand, we are all going to have to learn to pool our resources and live with those people who don’t want to go to exactly where we want to go…

And the RINO’s, in this extended metaphor…they don’t care really where we’re driving to, they just want the call “Shot Gun.” And that’s Ok, with me, as long as they chip in for petrol and snacks.

JFKY on October 20, 2013 at 9:29 AM

I’ll give you guys this one: In their own words, ‘Yes’ Republicans look more like Democrats than ‘No’ Republicans

danielreyes on October 19, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Thanks for the link.

From the lips of the great Rush Limbaugh:
“Words Mean Things”

dirtseller on October 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM

I think some of us don’t understand what a “party” is about…to use a metaphor some of us here think it’s about a road trip to Burning Man or Dallas-Fort Worth….It’s not.

It’s about pooling our resources to go somewhere…now some people want to go to San Francisco. Lots of us don’t…we’d rather go to Dallas…but some want to go to Austin…so we have to agree to pool our resources to try to get to Texas, at least.
———————–

And the RINO’s, in this extended metaphor…they don’t care really where we’re driving to, they just want the call “Shot Gun.” And that’s Ok, with me, as long as they chip in for petrol and snacks.

JFKY on October 20, 2013 at 9:29 AM

I agree largely, I’m not a TEA party member, I’m more a traditional social/defense conservative.. I do however totally support what they are trying to do. The fights in the primaries.. the most opinionated learned nothing..

You get the die hard what I have always called the high income country club republicans, socially liberal, defense conservative, pro-corporations more than small business… they’ve long held power in the party.. The events which led to the TEA Party’s birth changed all that. Forever content to play second fiddle the establishment GOP was gobsmacked that the base, a huge part of it was in open revolt against the status quo.

When the GOP leadership reacts to the base with snarling outrage like they did, do…

This party civil war is entirely them desperately seeking to control the party, hand pick it’s leadership, and crush any dissent. They cannot stand the idea, their time is past.. so they act far more savagely against us, than they ever did any left winger..

Obama never challenged them like we do.

They kept their seats, perks, and felt entirely comfortable being the doorman for the democrat party..

Reagan faced the same types of people.. faced the same back biting betrayals..

I’ve never been against a coalition, where nobody gets everything they want, like Reagan’s. I believe the overwhelming majority of TEA Party and it’s supporters are being the grown ups here, as the establishment backers just double down on rabid foaming hatred for the new blood making itself heard.

The establishment has behaved like a spoiled brat, unwilling as Obama to reach any kind of compromise or build a coalition.. so we acted in the only way left to us, primary them, and see who’s really the majority in the party..

I have no problem being civil to the supposed “moderates”.. but they haven’t been “moderates” when they echo every dem false claim about us…

Nobody holds absolute power in the party.. trouble is, those who told us to shut up, Mitt was our ONLY chance.. seem to believe they do, and will stab us in the back repeatedly to hold on to it.

I held my nose and voted for Romney, and McCain.. the real test of integrity, will be, if Cruz runs and gets the nod in 2016.. Will they support the party against the radical left democrats?

or will they betray us all… again?

mark81150 on October 20, 2013 at 10:00 AM

The GOP lost because most of its leadership is a liberal as the Democrats are.

They didn’t get into politics to foster smaller government. They got into politics because it’s an easy gig, the pay and benefits are great, lots of parties and it’s fun to spend other peoples’ money. And maybe, to be charitable, because they felt that there was some good to be done.

That’s the rub — they thought there was some good to be done. How? By spending other peoples’ money? How? By having bigger government and more government programs.

What we need in Congress is people who hate government.

Mdirmeie on October 20, 2013 at 10:02 AM

And by TruConz I mean Astonerii or Stoic Patriot (Buchanan Conservatives) and Hondav65 and Rick404 (Libertarians) and all the others on this board who “Know” what Conservatism is and who is and isn’t a “Conservative.”

JFKY on October 20, 2013 at 9:06 AM

I wouldn’t throw anyone out.. I’m not a purist as the names you listed are, A raucous party of ideas is a good thing in my opinion. Arguments are fine, but when the time comes to pull together, the infighting has to stop..

not by purging people, but by pulling as a team.. we don’t have to like each other, it’s not a social club.. It would help if we can avoid snarling names at each other..

There is no reason why the other Senators couldn’t find common ground with Cruz, and agree on a united front. Even if they didn’t support defunding as a tactic, they could have helped blunt the Obama loving media blitz by helping explain why Cruz’s motives were honorable, by jumping on the “we hate Cruz” bandwagon, they did as much to damage the GOP brand as the media did..

McCain disgraced himself in that..

Without a president or anointed front runner we have no single “leader” to set the agenda and tone.. so we have a chorus of different voices dragging us in different directions.. Surely they can at least meet and come together on a strategy?.. we are all at least committed to Obamacare’s repeal.. we could start by working towards a united front on that..

plenty of time later to dislike each other..

mark81150 on October 20, 2013 at 10:16 AM

mark81150 on October 20, 2013 at 10:00 AM

I wrote what I wrote because of the postings about Ed not being “Conservative” but it applies to McCain as well…so I agree with you.

John McCain seems to want to drive to Sacramento…well THIS car ain’t going there…we’re going to Texas, where exactly not sure, but Texas.

And if Senator McCain wants to go to Sacramento he needs to get out of the car and hitch a ride with a car going that way…

He isn’t paying for the petrol, not all of it…and I do get tired of him complaining about the direction of the trip and the songs on the radio, constantly. Look dood, this isn’t your car it’s OUR car and we, mostly, want to go to Texas, so please shut up, and pitch in $5 for the next tank of petrol, or get out….INSTEAD, he acts like it’s his car and we’re the hitch hikers…No, John it’s not…and more and more John McCain is becoming the hitch hiker and the car becoming something else.

JFKY on October 20, 2013 at 10:19 AM

we are all at least committed to Obamacare’s repeal.. we could start by working towards a united front on that..

plenty of time later to dislike each other..

mark81150 on October 20, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Tell me about it…Amen Brother/Sister..PREACH IT! Seriously, I’m with you.

JFKY on October 20, 2013 at 10:21 AM

This is a battle of Bold Colors vs. Pale Pastels.

kingsjester on October 20, 2013 at 10:23 AM

What we need in Congress is people who hate government.

Mdirmeie on October 20, 2013 at 10:02 AM

I’d rather we had more people who fear it.. We aren’t here to punish people, but to ensure the government does no harm. Shrinking it is the first step, but helping people understand the danger of an all powerful state, I believe will win us more converts than just enlisting those who’ve been wronged to where they hate the government.

a majority according to Gallop, FEAR the growth of government, but most people don’t hate it, and recoil at the word.

I’ve always been in the working poor end of the middle class.. I meet and know a lot of democrats and independents who either are on some kind of assistance, or have been. 3 years ago, my family, me, wife, two children, were homeless after I lost my job from a catastrophic work injury, yes, we were on EBT as we moved from family to family,.. but never welfare itself. My wife worked fulltime, she just didn’t make enough to support us..

I’ve seen the dependency class.. up close.

We escaped, but many don’t, we have our own home now, I receive SSD for a fractured spine, 8 vertebrae, 8 discs crushed, but thank God, my spinal cord survived that unsevered. But even against my best efforts, I’ll never work again. Walking is painful, hard, but I manage.

We did see many abuses,.. many who played the system, many who never wanted better that a monthly check…We can’t reach all of them,.. but we can reach some of them, if they believe we don’t hate them.

mark81150 on October 20, 2013 at 10:33 AM

If you were doubting that Obamaism is a Cult…

Dowd:

As Valerie Jarrett told David Remnick in “The Bridge,” Obama’s “uncanny” abilities need to be properly engaged, or he disengages. “He’s been bored to death his whole life,” she said. “He’s just too talented to do what ordinary people do.”

The paradox of Obama is that he believes in his own magical powers, but then he doesn’t turn up to use them.

faraway on October 20, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Well Faraway it’s obvious that Obama deserves a far better country and people than the ones he’s gotten…I only WISH we could be the subjects he deserves.

JFKY on October 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM

How’s President Romney doing?

kingsjester on October 19, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Or President McCain or Senator Brown?

Brown is the clearest proof. He convinced the people of bluer than blue Massachusetts he was conservative and he clobbered the opposing socialist. When he betrayed those who stumped for him by turning into a poodle for the socialists, those supporters not only did not stump vote or support him.

Brown’s arrogant attitude was and is (he said so recently in an event with Jeff Kuhner) that those supporters should have stuck by him anyway. The man is a moron.

dogsoldier on October 20, 2013 at 11:02 AM

The man is a moron.

dogsoldier on October 20, 2013 at 11:02 AM

He’s a meathead. He always was. We just got conned.

rrpjr on October 20, 2013 at 11:13 AM

There is no reason why the other Senators couldn’t find common ground with Cruz
mark81150 on October 20, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Oh, but there are. Significant and self-interested reasons to those individuals. That’s why the personalization and degradation of politics will continue, for better or worse.

rrpjr on October 20, 2013 at 11:18 AM

To those who are posting that Tea Parties were not formed in part to protest excessive taxation, I would make three points:

1) Obamacare has been deemed by no less than our esteemed Supreme Court to be a tax.

2) In the years between 2001 and 2008 the fed govt. took in between 2.0 and 2.4 trillion. Now, the govt. takes in over 3 trillion during a recessionary period.

3) Small business is struggling in part because of excessive taxation and regulation.

Splitting hairs aside, the fact remains that Americans as a whole are being taxed too much. If the spending keeps increasing, taxes
necessarily have to be raised. Therefore, excessive spending equals increased taxation.

Amjean on October 20, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Is a party led by Progressive ideology different if it has a Democrat or republican branding?

It takes us to the same place. And has since 1989 when Reagan’s biggest mistake took office. You might call it a “thousand points of light” or “compassionate conservatism” but those sub branding campaigns give us one thing…..HUGE and EVER-GROWING Federal power and reduced individual liberty.

We have nearly 25 years of results that show us Bush/Romney is no different, and maybe worse, than Clinton/Obama.

Viva a new way……and the gop deserves it’s fate.

PappyD61 on October 20, 2013 at 12:27 PM

To those who think a rift between the conservative and socialist/moderate (I think the term moderate is a joke in itself)
factions of the repub party will lead to its destruction and democratic rule -

Where are we at now? HOW could it be worse? What has the repub party (the socialist/moderate group) done for us lately?

Can’t think of one thing, altho, there must be something!

Amjean on October 20, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Where are we at now? HOW could it be worse? What has the repub party (the socialist/moderate group) done for us lately?

Can’t think of one thing, altho, there must be something!

Amjean on October 20, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Really Amjean, you must have missed the Clinton Years…people would call in and say, “Rush, it can’t get any worse!” Say, which is worse Billy Jeff or this guy?

So OH YES, it CAN get worse, MUCH worse…so stop with that foolishness.

Again, if you split from the GOP:
1) You lose ballot access and organization. It will take you several electoral cycles to make that up. Electoral cycles that will empower the Democrats.
2) You lose the structure of a party to mediate disputes WITHIN the party, and so you will see your party disintegrate as Stoic Patriot fights with Hondav65. One or both will leave, splitting your new party into THREE. You will spend more time and effort defining who is or is NOT a “Conservative” and once again the Democrats will use that time to advance their agenda.

So, yes, Amjean things can ALWAYS be worse, don’t fool yourself.

JFKY on October 20, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Brown’s arrogant attitude was and is (he said so recently in an event with Jeff Kuhner) that those supporters should have stuck by him anyway.

Sounds like he just followed the John McCain strategy…. come election time, McCain campaigns as a true conservative. Once re-elected, he slides back into the ‘go along’ crowd while satisfying his ego by being feted by the media. (I think he’s starting to challenge Chuckie Schumer as the Senate’s most active media whore.)

In the 1960′s and 1970′s, the conservative wing in the GOP had to combat and push out not only the whackadoodle Birchers, but also a real progressive wing of the GOP as personified by the John Lindsey’s, Nelson Rockefeller’s, and, yes, the Richard Nixon’s. The conservatives won this battle as personified in 1980.

We don’t have to form a new party. All we need to do is to take the party back. That means grassroots efforts – starting at the local / state level. It means starving the RNC and those state organizations who embrace the establishment of the money that they need. Give directly to the candidate who represents your (and our) conservative values. Vet those candidates. Prep those candidates. Then support, campaign, and vote for those candidates.

Hammer the establishment whenever the chance offers.

Only through this can we take the party of Lincoln back.

Athos on October 20, 2013 at 1:06 PM

I can see both sides of the Scott Brown thing….from his PoV the TEA Party were knuckleheads for not supporting him. After all they had two choices, HIM or Elizabeth Warren. Now, let’s ask this, who was going to vote to repeal ObamaCare? Sure not Lizzy “Fauxcahontas” Warren. So, I can see his disgruntlement with the Right.

OTOH, Brown seemed to shrink away, from “those People.” Look, I can understand that in order to win 50% plus 1 in MA. you’re not going to sound like Palin, Cruz, or Lee, but you can’t run from your Base either. And it seemed he did…

And to the Realist-Conservative that I am, that’s dumb. Supposedly “Smart” Moderates do this all the time…run from the Base. They keep hearing or thinking, “Oh ‘those people’ scare off Moderates, so I need to keep my distance. And who else will they vote for, any way?” But what these Idiot-Savants, or in this case Savant-Idiots can’t grasp is that the Democrats will always claim “War on Wimenz”…take your “Abortion Rights Away”… Bigot Homophobe..in the Pocket of Right Wing Extremists…no matter WHO is running against them…Uh Helllllllllllllllooooo Mitt Romney. UNLESS Scott Brown became a Liberal Democrat he was always going to be branded as a TEA Party Crazeeeee….

That being the case, you can’t/shouldn’t run from the Base, you have to EMBRACE the Base and try to move outward from there….Because if you don’t and you run from your Base, well the Base stays home AND usually LIV/Moderates vote for the Democrat, leaving these ever-so Clever Moderates hanging out between two electoral stools and unemployed.

JFKY on October 20, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Because it’s not going to happen.

Guess again…

serenity on October 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM

It may not split but it is losing members like me – after watching my Republicans unable to rein in spending when they controlled Congress and the White House, the nomination of McCain was the crowning blow. I didn’t vote in that election and stopped calling myself a Republican.

Over50 on October 20, 2013 at 3:16 PM

1.Alexander (R-TN)
2.Ayotte (R-NH)
3.Barrasso (R-WY)
4.Blunt (R-MO)
5.Boozman (R-AR)
6,Burr (R-NC)
7.Chambliss (R-GA)
8.Chiesa (R-NJ)
9.Coats (R-IN)
10.Coburn (R-OK)
11.Cochran (R-MS)
12.Collins (R-ME)
13.Corker (R-TN)
14.Cornyn (R-TX)
15.Graham (R-SC)
16.Hoeven (R-ND)
17.Isakson (R-GA)
18.Johanns (R-NE)
19.Johnson (R-WI)
20.Kirk (R-IL)
21.McCain (R-AZ)
22.McConnell (R-KY)
23.Murkowski (R-AK)
24.Thune (R-SD)
25.Wicker (R-MS)

ignatzk on October 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM

The establishment GOP aren’t the sharpest knives in the kitchen drawer…. they have been, and continue to bet that conservatives will hold their noses and pull the lever for the ‘lesser of two evils’ when it comes to elections.

The problem is, given the path that they, and the progressive-fascist-statists have both embarked on (one fast, the other a little less fast), conservatives started seeing in 2006 that the trajectory was unsustainable. That’s when they started not to vote for the lesser of two evils – realizing whether we become Greece in 2020 or 2025, it’s not that much of a difference when the goal is to not become Greece.

Now they are dumbfounded and angry because conservatives are not only going to cast ballots for them because they’ve been there, or are blessed members of the party establishment, and they see their phoney baloney jobs with all of those perks threatened.

Unfortunately for conservatives, we don’t have the luxury that they had in the 19th century when a new party, the Republican Party was formed….in that the resident in the WH was a benign incompetent not seeking to fundamentally change the country. They had time to form and build a new party.

We don’t have that luxury, so it’s time to take this party back from the ‘old guard’.

Athos on October 20, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Follow the Constitution ! That is all there is to it. I am sick of the Demicans and Republicrats. Our nation’s founding documents spell it out clearly. There is no need to act like the Constitution is a “living breathing document” That means that any political cockroach will try to use popular opinion to infringe on our individual liberty and freedom. The citizens have been the recipient of this fraud.

hamradio on October 20, 2013 at 5:27 PM

- Vote for the designated loser offered by the GOPe, and the Dem wins.
== or ==
- Vote against the designated GOPe loser, and the DEM wins.

The Dem wins this round either way. However, in the second case, we may have the chance to at least rid ourselves of a GOPe loser or two. After a few rounds, a better breed of non-Democrat may emerge, whether it’s called GOP or something different.

It’s pretty simple, actually, and the experiment has already been done. It’s more about momentum than total votes, and can happen quicker than Darwin’s natural selection.

Look at the Dems. A few hard core lefties took the Dem primary away from Lieberman in CT only a few years ago, something previously unthinkable. But the ripples spread so far and fast that within a few years, the squishy middle of the party had decided “better red than (politically) dead”. Result: the bulk of the party made a hard left turn, based really, on a single contested primary. You can’t find a “traditional” Dem now. It doesn’t demonstrate deep philosophical change, just that most politicians are motivated more by self-preservation than ideology.

Kick a high-visibility GOPe, or two, to the curb, and the rest will take note. Or, just keep giving them your support, and watch nothing change.

bofh on October 20, 2013 at 10:43 PM

The split has happened! We’ve got GOPe & bench warming Romney supporters v. Conservatives who refuse to surrender to the Obamacare obamanation.

I wonder which group will grow as the DemCare fines pile up, the fees & taxes go up, the younger generation gets fed up, and the GOPe attends all of the Democrat parties in DC.

I’ve witnesses a resurgence in TEA Party membership over the past year, with a super surge over the past month. Yes, they call us terrorists but that is because we DO terrorize the corrupt-o-crats.

I wonder why they aren’t afraid of the other Americans…

DannoJyd on October 21, 2013 at 2:36 AM

To take real liberty in paraphrasing Ron Reagan;

Sometimes a healthy leg has to amputate itself from a gangrened body (the GOP)in order for it to survive.

In this day of transplants, maybe it can find a real solid America to attach itself to, even if it brings with it the beautiful scent of tea.

Don L on October 21, 2013 at 6:47 AM

The Democrats have their own internal scuffles, it’s true. But they show up when it’s time to vote.

Sorry Jazz, but that isn’t happening anymore. The “lesser of two evils” crowd have worn out their welcome and their argument. It’s time for a change of direction instead of just a change of speed.

DFCtomm on October 21, 2013 at 6:48 AM

The GOP is already split. LOL – anyone who can’t see that is fooling themselves. Just because they’re all calling themselves “Republicans” doesn’t mean their loyalties like with Mitch McConnell. Only the RINO’s are loyal to that ass.

HondaV65 on October 21, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Sorry Jazz, but that isn’t happening anymore. The “lesser of two evils” crowd have worn out their welcome and their argument. It’s time for a change of direction instead of just a change of speed.

DFCtomm on October 21, 2013 at 6:48 AM

Exactly right – voting for the “lesser of” for the last 50 years has only resulted in Socialism.

Time for a change – and it may take LOSING a few elections but in the long run it will be worth it to get a REAL FIGHTING party started up and thriving.

HondaV65 on October 21, 2013 at 8:14 AM

It’s probably time to face up to that and begin figuring out a way to keep the marriage together.

Heck no. Time for a divorce. Keeping the marriage together when one spouse is being abused is evil.

GWB on October 21, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Time for a change – and it may take LOSING a few elections but in the long run it will be worth it to get a REAL FIGHTING party started up and thriving.

Agreed. We’re losing to the Dems already, without the split. The best solution here is to rip the Band-Aid off in one swift yank.

But the only way this is gonna work is to convince the big-money donors to the GOP that they need to shift funding to the new party of choice. The GOP establishment doesn’t care about the little guys in their base now, you think they’ll be shaking in their Pradas when we threaten to cut off our $100 contribution? No, they’ll only pay attention to Joe Mega-endowment announcing that they’re shifting their $10 million contribution to the Constitution Party or what have you.

TMOverbeck on October 21, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Those of you who think Kibbe is an intelligent and honest leader should certainly follow him. He will happily accept your checks for his little fiefdom, and will certainly be willing to help with setting up your new party by telling you what you are doing wrong at every step of the way.

We in the GOP will miss you terribly. It will be rather quiet around here without your constant whining, complaining, name-calling, and tantrums whenever you don’t get your way. But we wish you well and hope you learn something from the experience.

And if it means more Democratic control and election victories, more and faster socialism, an ever faster loss of the basic freedoms and values for which America stands, well, we understand that is a price you have always been willing to pay for anything less than total victory.

Adjoran on October 21, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Again, if you split from the GOP:

2) You lose the structure of a party to mediate disputes WITHIN the party…

Yeah, how’d that work out for Ron Paul? His loyalists tried to get some changes made, to take the GOP back from the establishment… yet at the 2012 convention they got C-blocked at every turn. The mediation pretty much goes “the leaders are right, you’re wrong, F you that’s why”.

If you ask me, the well’s been poisoned for a long time now. If we can’t defund the GOP, the status quo is gonna stick. And we’ll keep talking to a brick wall.

TMOverbeck on October 21, 2013 at 4:46 PM

The various legs of the conservative stool are stuck with each other, let’s face it. And what’s more, they can’t survive without each other. It’s probably time to face up to that and begin figuring out a way to keep the marriage together.

You know… for the children.

Jazz Shaw on October 19, 2013 at 10:01 am

This is Jazz saying this, so take it with a metric ton of salt.

Dunedainn on October 22, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Many of my family and friends, here in Colorado, have changed our political affiliation to “Unaffiliated” (that’s basically the only ability we have, here in our state—or the Green Party and American Constitutional Party, and we’ve done it in the past 10 days.

We also have sent donations “directly” to the political candidates of our choice, rather than having the RNCC decide “who” and “if” gets our donations. You see, when you send your donations to the RNCC, THEY decide where YOUR money goes—and often it goes to candidates which YOU would not approve of. We are plenty capable to decide that for ourselves.

DixT on October 22, 2013 at 5:36 PM

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