Mystery solved: MSNBC says “GOP flubs ObamaCare launch”

posted at 12:41 pm on October 18, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Well, let’s recap.  ObamaCare passed Congress almost entirely on Democratic votes [see update]. The Obama administration has taken more than three years to build a website on what turns out to be ten-year-old technology without bothering to test it, and now it’s passing bad data in every direction.  And yet, in a discussion on what’s going wrong with ObamaCare, MSNBC offers a chyron that states that the GOP flubbed the launch of ObamaCare.

Ooooooooo-kay (via Twitchy):

What makes this amusing is that the conversation could have turned to whether the Republicans shot themselves in the foot with the shutdown by eclipsing all of the bad news from the rollout.  That would explain that chyron, but clearly that’s not where the conversation went.  Instead, the panel spent more than four minutes discussing how badly the rollout has gone and the fact that the White House might be forced into the position of delaying the individual mandate anyway, despite outlasting the GOP in the shutdown impasse.

Ironically, the entire segment demonstrates why the chyron would be inaccurate in any context — and why the tactical retreat on the shutdown might turn out to be a strategic victory for Republicans in the long run.  Without the breathless minute-by-minute updates from Capitol Hill on the shutdown, the biggest national story and shared experience is the disastrous ObamaCare rollout, which is so bad and so big that even MSNBC can’t ignore it.

Update: My recollection was that Rep. Joseph Cao (R-LA) voted for the final version of ObamaCare.  He didn’t; he voted for an earlier draft in November 2009, but voted against the final version in March 2010. I’ve amended the opening paragraph.


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If I were Cruz and Lee I’d put up commercials wherever I could afford it saying “We’re the wacko-birds that tried to stop this.”

oldroy on October 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Maybe the Dems will rue the day and that old adage “be careful what you wish for… you might get it” will come back to bite them… One can wish can’t one?

sandee on October 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Ok, I’m done with Hot Air. I’m not a mexican and I dont’ appreciate being forced to listen to one of your spanish adds. Your script wouldn’t let me turn off the volume.

SuperManGreenLantern on October 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM

If they delay the individual mandate, doesn’t that make premiums higher? They need the “tax” to pay for those with pre-existing conditions correct?

mrscullen on October 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Cult members can’t allow their cult leader to fail.

Does. Not. Compute.

Obama and OFA is a cult that will continue long beyond his presidency.

faraway on October 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Ok, I’m done with Hot Air. I’m not a mexican and I dont’ appreciate being forced to listen to one of your spanish adds. Your script wouldn’t let me turn off the volume.

SuperManGreenLantern on October 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Get firefox and adblock plus.

oldroy on October 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Yes, let’s blame Cruz and Lee for the idiots who wrote,voted for, and launched Obamacare!! Go for it, McCain and Peter.

mobydutch on October 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

And many MSNBC viewers will believe it. No, I’m not being sarcastic.

Fenris on October 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

It’s BidenCare!

It’s HillaryCare!

Blame the Heritage Foundation!

John the Libertarian on October 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Get firefox and adblock plus.

oldroy on October 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

I got flashblock. Every site is faster now.

faraway on October 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

White House might be forced into the position of delaying the individual mandate anyway,

Why and how? It’s the LAW!…

the_nile on October 18, 2013 at 12:48 PM

It was a mistake for Obama refuse to accept the delay offer just so he could hear the MSM say he got a “win”. People are going to more or less forget about this shutdown and Obama is going to have to unilaterally delay more parts of his Law of the Land Signature Achievement.

forest on October 18, 2013 at 12:48 PM

SuperManGreenLantern on October 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Get firefox and adblock plus.

oldroy on October 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Also NoScripts for Mozilla/Firefox is very powerful stuff — all free.

John the Libertarian on October 18, 2013 at 12:48 PM

ObamaCare passed Congress almost entirely on Democratic votes.

What’s with the “almost” part?

Bitter Clinger on October 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

And many MSNBC viewers will believe it. No, I’m not being sarcastic.

Fenris on October 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

MoveOn.org already got 30,000 signatures to prosecute the Republicans for sedition.

John the Libertarian on October 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM

And many MSNBC viewers will believe it. No, I’m not being sarcastic.

Fenris on October 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

I think most college students believe it’s Bush’s fault

neuquenguy on October 18, 2013 at 12:51 PM

With this kind of chyron, they should’ve
had Ed Shultz doing the Segment…..or a screen showing two
azz cheeks…..interchangeable…..

ToddPA on October 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM

I think we should call it Spectrecare.

boone on October 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM

I guess I just have to ask. Ed why, why are you watching MSNBC?

oldroy on October 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM

What’s with the “almost” part?

Bitter Clinger on October 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

GOOD CATCH. Ed?

John the Libertarian on October 18, 2013 at 12:53 PM

ObamaCare passed Congress almost entirely on Democratic votes.

What’s with the “almost” part?

Bitter Clinger on October 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

I think there was one Republican vote somewhere in one of the many votes they took, thus making it fully bi-partisan and mostly republican fault.

neuquenguy on October 18, 2013 at 12:53 PM

MSNBC – the home of modern day ‘agitprop’….

…continuing the message and themes of Pravda and Goebbels.

Athos on October 18, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Ironically, the entire segment demonstrates why the chyron would be inaccurate in any context — and why the tactical retreat on the shutdown might turn out to be a strategic victory for Republicans in the long run.

Tactical retreat my eye! The Confederates leaving Atlanta as Sherman was approaching was a tactical retreat. What we saw this week was the complete and total surrender by cowards unwilling to fight. It was the establishment Republicans at their worst complete with billions in pork for the lead Republican negotiator in the Senate, undermining fellow Republicans for disagreeing with the party elite, and of course the now meaningless vow that the next time there would be a serious battle.

Happy Nomad on October 18, 2013 at 12:54 PM

“Ok, I’m done with Hot Air. I’m not a mexican and I dont’ appreciate being forced to listen to one of your spanish adds. Your script wouldn’t let me turn off the volume.”

Websites don’t have that much control over what ads Google Adsense serves up. Much of that is determined by the keywords and other page content, which is why pro- ads sometimes turn up on anti- sites and vice-versa.

The auto-play video ads are annoying, besides making the sites that employ them NSFW. Hear, that forbes.com?

kd6rxl on October 18, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Hmmm… we passed a gigantic law… we felt really good about it too… it’s for the people… social justice and all that… how could it not work based on that solid foundation? Gotta be the GOP.

mankai on October 18, 2013 at 12:54 PM

MoveOn.org already got 30,000 signatures to prosecute the Republicans for sedition.

John the Libertarian on October 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM

At this point I almost wish they’d follow through on that threat. Put all your cards on the table, lefties, make it clear what you really want.

Fenris on October 18, 2013 at 12:54 PM

another day at msdnc, another cog in the obama wheel

good lapdogs
-obama

cmsinaz on October 18, 2013 at 12:55 PM

If MSNBC is talking about the disaster, someone from the admin must have squeeled about the problems. I don’t believe for one second that anyone in the media would come to their own conclusion without “support” from the administration.

oldroy on October 18, 2013 at 12:55 PM

ObamaCare passed Congress almost entirely on Democratic votes.

almost entirely on Democratic votes.

almost entirely

I’m confused. Which Republican voted for it again?

PetecminMd on October 18, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Fenris on October 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

tru dat

they are great at spewing the wh talking points fed to them

cmsinaz on October 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM

I just keep refreshing the page until I get an ad combo that doesn’t include that damn auto-starting TV ad.

TB on October 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM

What’s with the “almost” part?

Bitter Clinger on October 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

See the update; I’ve corrected it.

Ed Morrissey on October 18, 2013 at 12:57 PM

forest on October 18, 2013 at 12:48 PM

one silver lining….ADD with the LIV?

cmsinaz on October 18, 2013 at 12:57 PM

oldroy on October 18, 2013 at 12:55 PM

good point

cmsinaz on October 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM

This is a ruse.They want a last minute rush so people might ignore the high cost and buy to avoid the penalty.I’m beginning to think like a sleaze democrat.

docflash on October 18, 2013 at 12:59 PM

This sort of crap is why MSNBC is the least watched station on cable.

The comment threads here and at Ace’s place get more traffic than MSNBC has viewers. Maybe if you stopped posting about them what little viewership they have would disappear completely.

RobertE on October 18, 2013 at 1:00 PM

MoveOn.org already got 30,000 signatures to prosecute the Republicans for sedition.

John the Libertarian on October 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM

You can imagine the cult members chanting as they click the submit button.

faraway on October 18, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Genuine, you want to field this one for us?

rogerb on October 18, 2013 at 1:03 PM

neuquenguy on October 18, 2013 at 12:53 PM

One rep from Louisiana voted for it in one of those votes to move it out of committee and he lost his seat in the general election.

docflash on October 18, 2013 at 1:03 PM

When you have lost MSNBC, you have lost everything. Now that they are daring to utter on air the unthinkable, delaying the individual mandate, is there anything left of the law that is actually in effect?

Johnnyreb on October 18, 2013 at 1:03 PM

How about we make it up to you by erasing our Obamacare law from the books?

crrr6 on October 18, 2013 at 1:05 PM

MSNBC: The Baghdad Bobs of the MSM.

Bitter Clinger on October 18, 2013 at 1:06 PM

What the hell is a chyron? Yeah, I could look it up, but why use that damn word in the first place? You trying to turn into another George Will, Ed?

HiJack on October 18, 2013 at 1:07 PM

11,588,000 words in ObamaCare’s regulations. Let that number sink in: 21 copies of War and Peace, stacked on top of each other.

You think maybe those might also not have been, shall we say, reviewed for correctness, completeness — or even coherence?

bobcalco on October 18, 2013 at 1:10 PM

What the hell is a chyron? Yeah, I could look it up, but why use that damn word in the first place? You trying to turn into another George Will, Ed?

HiJack on October 18, 2013 at 1:07 PM

AP used it first on the other thread. Ed’s just trying to be one of the cool kids.

I’ve noticed Ed and the others occasionally steal AP’s trademark captions too. They should be more diligent about giving credit – MKH does this with exit questions at least.

RINO in Name Only on October 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

And many MSNBC viewers will believe it. No, I’m not being sarcastic.

Fenris on October 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Well, it seems they typical black in D.C. seems to believe it. Not mention every Donk and every lib, but I repeat myself.

HiJack on October 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Translation: Somebody……PLEAAAASEEEE!!!!!!!! Take this stinker off our hands!!!! :P

itsspideyman on October 18, 2013 at 1:16 PM

The Ministry of Truth tries again.

bigbeachbird on October 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM

After the entire shutdown fight and the brokered deal (by McConnell who was bribed/paid well for doing so) that ended the shutdown, DEMOCRATS / LIBERALS NOW TOTALLY OWN OBAMACARE!

This is not Bush, not the GOP…this is all Obama & the Democrats! Have fun with that !

easyt65 on October 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Okay. These people are certifiable. No room for argument. Hope their new insurance covers psychotic breaks.

totherightofthem on October 18, 2013 at 1:18 PM

What the hell is a chyron?
 
HiJack on October 18, 2013 at 1:07 PM

 
That’s what Cruz used to manipulate his Texas election, right lostmotherland?

rogerb on October 18, 2013 at 1:20 PM

LOL– I hope the establishment Republicans who voted to end the shutdown get tarred by Dem Challengers with “supporting Obamacare.” At least the wackobirds who voted against funding it have some cover.

I KNEW this was the MSM’s next meme….

melle1228 on October 18, 2013 at 1:21 PM

11,588,000 words in ObamaCare’s regulations

That’s not all. Obamacare may have a total of 11 million words now, but anything that complicated must have contradictions and typos, so next week I can assure you it will have a substantially different 11 million words. How would you like being responsible for understanding an 11 million word system where 250,000 words are changed every week or every month? They are probably updating whole chapters as we speak. So you have to read and understand the original 11 million words and keep up with the monthly avalanche of changes too.

Fred 2 on October 18, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Okay, the ball is in the Establishment GOP’s court:

Press the issue or stay on the cocktail party invite list.

socalcon on October 18, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Now the MSM & republican moderates are free to report on the obamacare rollout to their hearts’ content. Go for it. We all know how you have been cheated out of reporting on it because of the evil Cruz and Lee defund movement. Oh wait, illegal aliens are demanding amnesty NOW or things are going to get ugly so better start lobbying for immigration “reform instead.

Jackson on October 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Next Up on MSNBC:

How Halliburton Flubbed Obamacare Launch

mankai on October 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Obamacare never would have passed the house back then if so many Democrats hadn’t been elected in gerrymandered districts.

It’s the GOP’s fault for not winning local elections and allowing Dems to gerrymander those districts.

It is also the GOP’s fault for assisting in passing the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The Dems had a supermajority in the Senate and they chose to offer up legislation co-sponsored by the Senate Minority Leader when they could have gotten a completely partisan bill. The final bill passed with overwhelming majority support of both parties in both chambers. If they Republicans hadn’t worked with the Dems back then, the Dems could have passed a bill without Republican support and everything would have been better…just like Obamacare.

Essentially, it is the Republican’s fault for being so bipartisan throughout the history of America. If they would have been more bipartisan on Obamacare, then the Dems wouldn’t have gotten exactly what they wanted…an unmitigated disaster.

weaselyone on October 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM

The Obama administration has taken more than three years to build a website on what turns out to be ten-year-old technology

Hey, cut them a little slack, it was only 7 year old technology when they started …
/

parke on October 18, 2013 at 1:44 PM

While everyone knows Obamacare will fail I don’t think even the gop imagined the administration could not get something so simple as the website to work. This is the federal government at work. It also illustrates to me when the replacement to obamacare is legislated single payer will not even be discussed in a serious manner. The government has failed why would anyone think even more government interference would work.

Ellis on October 18, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Something not really OT: “Low information voter” is a bit pejorative: wouldn’t it be more diplomatic, and more accurate, to call them “Mal-informed voters?”

PersonFromPorlock on October 18, 2013 at 1:56 PM

While everyone knows Obamacare will fail I don’t think even the gop imagined the administration could not get something so simple as the website to work. This is the federal government at work. It also illustrates to me when the replacement to obamacare is legislated single payer will not even be discussed in a serious manner. The government has failed why would anyone think even more government interference would work.

Ellis on October 18, 2013 at 1:47 PM

The government only failed because the Private Insurance marketplace is too complex for the government to interact with. Additionally, the government had to rely on private IT contractors to put together the website and exchanges. Cut out profit motive of the evil private companies and there will be rainbows and unicorns for everyone. This just gives us more reason to hire more government IT specialists who can manage projects of this scale rather than depending on private companies to provide their years of expertise. All of this gives even more reason to go single payer. Public-Private partnerships only fail because of the private sector.

weaselyone on October 18, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Something not really OT: “Low information voter” is a bit pejorative: wouldn’t it be more diplomatic, and more accurate, to call them “Mal-informed voters?”

PersonFromPorlock on October 18, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Both terms miss the mark. They use words like “information” and “informed.” These people are simply not informed in the sense that they are functional members of society. But ask them about the Kardashians…..

Happy Nomad on October 18, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Go back many months, back to the Supremes deciding that a health insurance act is somehow a legal tax on individuals.
The Obama administration was cheering and excited.

Kathleen Simplemind, the head of the HHS, stated that she thought since the Supremes said it was law that the Repubs would then stop trying to end it, and all the states would form their own exchanges.
Didn’t happen that way though.

The Repub states said in effect- if you think it’s so great, you do it. So, the feds had to do something they hadn’t counted on doing…set up exchanges for millions of people in different states with a multitude of insurance providers. They couldn’t do it, they would need another 5 years to set this up right.
They had to hide how much it was really going to cost the public, and they had to hide just what it all meant.
They tried to bluff their way through, deny any problem because it would make Obama look like a doofus.

So here we are; the whole Dem outfit look like fools and Obama looks like a doofus. In their minds, it’s the Repubs fault because they didn’t go along with this fiasco of a law.

srdem65 on October 18, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Both terms miss the mark. They use words like “information” and “informed.” These people are simply not informed in the sense that they are functional members of society. But ask them about the Kardashians…..

Happy Nomad on October 18, 2013 at 2:04 PM

You don’t know that. Certainly the Progs I joust with in the local paper show no signs of Kardashian-saturation: what they do display is the false version of reality inculcated by media malpractice. I think “mal-informed” describes them exactly.

PersonFromPorlock on October 18, 2013 at 2:18 PM

You don’t know that. Certainly the Progs I joust with in the local paper show no signs of Kardashian-saturation: what they do display is the false version of reality inculcated by media malpractice. I think “mal-informed” describes them exactly.

PersonFromPorlock on October 18, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Mal-informed means they’ve simply been lied to. It does not begin to plumb the depths of stupidity the left shows these days.

Happy Nomad on October 18, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Obama and his Dem controlled Senate were unwilling to compromise with Reps like Cruze and risk further damage to the US economy through a possible default; all over Obamacare, which if it was so important, then why was the technology behind it a complete POS?

With all the dismal accounts in the media about the Obamacare roll-out, the higher prices of medical insurance coupled with all the perpetual smiley faces in the White House, one has to wonder, who is really NUTS here?

stuartm80127 on October 18, 2013 at 2:23 PM

People are going to more or less forget about this shutdown and Obama is going to have to unilaterally delay more parts of his Law of the Land Signature Achievement.

Agree.
The shutdown is yesterday’s news, but Healthcare.gov is forever – the political equivalent of “Beauty is skin deep, but ugly is to the bone!”

Another Drew on October 18, 2013 at 3:06 PM

MoveOn.org already got 30,000 signatures to prosecute the Republicans for sedition.

Now we know how large the email-tree is for Occupy.

Another Drew on October 18, 2013 at 3:08 PM

By November 2014 the shutdown will be a barely-remembered hiccup, shrouded in the mists of time. Hell, it feels that way already. What won’t be shrouded in the mists of time will be the disaster that is Obamacare. The federal exchange will not miraculously start working, young people will avoid signing up in droves, working-class people will be crushed by premium hikes, and the IRS will hand down fines in their typical draconian fashion to people who never had a legitimate chance to enroll. All of this would simply have been accepted as the new normal if Ted Cruz hadn’t stood up for hours on the Senate floor. Cruz successfully moved the ACA from the “done deal” column to the “this ain’t over” column. We need to buck up. The fight has just begun.

Tyrone Slothrop on October 18, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Ed why, why are you watching MSNBC?

It’s in his contract.
One of the few Americans paid to watch drivel
(I thought long and hard about what word I would use that was not 4-letters long).

Another Drew on October 18, 2013 at 3:10 PM

You know what one of the definitions of insanity is? Refusing to admit that your health care program is a disaster and going ahead full speed to force it on the people of your country, whether they like it or not, whether they can afford it or not. Yup, that’s what’s happening in the land of the free. We’re being led like a ruthless dictator would rule. No listening to reason, no compromise, no way but his way, and the rest of us be damned. Arrogant p@#ck.

scalleywag on October 18, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Genuine, you want to field this one for us?

rogerb on October 18, 2013 at 1:03 PM

I’m fully expecting Justthe”Facts” to show up and spend several paragraphs of links to leftist propaganda sites trying to pin it on us.

CurtZHP on October 18, 2013 at 3:20 PM

What the hell is a chyron? Yeah, I could look it up, but why use that damn word in the first place? You trying to turn into another George Will, Ed?

HiJack on October 18, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Chyron is a brand name for a video graphics system that a lot of TV stations use to put titles, captions, and other graphics on the screen. Just like the words “Xerox,” “Kleenex,” and “Velcro,” it became the accepted generic term for anything that does this.

CurtZHP on October 18, 2013 at 3:22 PM

“Providence has ordained that I should be the greatest liberator of humanity. I am freeing man from the restraints of an intelligence that has taken charge, from the dirty and degrading self-mortification of a false vision called conscience and morality, and from the demands of a freedom and independence which only a very few can bear.”

-Adolph Hitler

roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 18, 2013 at 3:27 PM

MSNBC deliberately lies to smear anyone who is not a slobbering progressive, and any chyron they run is not questioned by most of the clueless who tune in. The zombie viewers of this shameless channel, who have no idea how the ‘Affordable Care Act’ (snicker) was crammed through congress, now believe that the problems with the disastrous sham of ‘health care’ are because of the GOP. You can take that to the bank.

maryo on October 18, 2013 at 4:46 PM

These guys are shameless morons.

Obamacare, from inception to voting to implementation, is ALL Democratic. None of it is Republican. They own this and they should pay the price for it.

Theophile on October 18, 2013 at 4:57 PM

MSNBC….still “leaning forward”……

http://imageshack.us/a/img689/8206/biob.png

Solaratov on October 18, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Liberal morons will always use a boogeyman to excuse their constant failures and the sheeple Obamabots will believe them.

Decoski on October 18, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Something not really OT: “Low information voter” is a bit pejorative: wouldn’t it be more diplomatic, and more accurate, to call them “Mal-informed voters?”

PersonFromPorlock on October 18, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Just cut to the chase and call them Democrats.

Theophile on October 19, 2013 at 3:45 AM

These guys really do need to lay off the LSD.

NoPain on October 19, 2013 at 12:46 PM