Cruz: I didn’t come to the Senate to get 99 new friends

posted at 10:01 am on October 18, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

An old adage (misattributed to Harry Truman by Maureen Dowd) advises newcomers to Washington that if they want to make a friend, they should buy a dog.  Ted Cruz echoes that advice in a new interview with ABC News, in which he says that his ambitions in Washington didn’t involve becoming a beloved member of the clubbiest club in the world:

“There’s an old saying that, ‘Politics, it ain’t beanbag.’ And, you know, I’m not serving in office because I desperately needed 99 new friends in the U.S. Senate,” Cruz told ABC News’ Jon Karl in his first on-camera interview after the shutdown came to an end Wednesday night. …

And he made it clear that he thinks his Republican colleagues in the Senate are responsible for sabotaging his effort to tie funding for the government to an effort to defund or delay the health care law.

“I will say that the reason this deal, the lousy deal was reached last night, is because, unfortunately, Senate Republicans made the choice not to support House Republicans,” Cruz told ABC News. “I wish Senate Republicans had united, I tried to do everything I could to urge Senate Republicans to come together and stand with House Republicans.”

Cruz laid the blame on Senate Republicans attacking House Republicans during the shutdown:

“I think it was unfortunate that you saw multiple members of the Senate Republicans going on television attacking House conservatives, attacking the effort to defund Obamacare, saying, ‘It cannot win, It’s a fools error and we will lose, this must fail,’” Cruz said.

“That is a recipe for losing the fight, and it’s a shame.”

Well, the attacks went both ways, and that started before the shutdown. When Cruz and Mike Lee pushed hard for the defunding strategy and the shutdown tactics, their allies attacked Republicans who opposed those strategic choices as “voting for ObamaCare,” a charge that FreedomWorks continued this week. At the same time, Peter King and John McCain rushed to television to call conservatives crazy, stupid, or both. Both sides seemed intent on ignoring the fact that opposition to ObamaCare is one of the few issues that unites the GOP, and has for four years, and that opposition to strategy is not the same thing as opposition to end goals.

The only way to dismantle ObamaCare is to win elections.  Democrats won’t just fold on ObamaCare because they don’t have to do so as long as they control the Senate and the White House; this is a lifetime achievement for them.  That means that Republicans and conservatives have to stop attacking each other’s integrity over choices in tactics, and focus on winning elections that replace Democratic incumbents in the Senate with solid Republican candidates, and building the argument to eliminate ObamaCare altogether after the 2016 elections.  And that means that conservatives and moderates within the party need to aim their rhetorical guns outward rather than inward, and activists need to focus on Democratic Senate seats rather than embark on purity campaigns within the GOP caucus.

What we have now is a recipe for losing the long-term fight, and it’s going to be a lot worse than a “shame” if that happens.

Update: Moe Lane creates a very handy flow chart on this topic.


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Cruz came to the Senate to help his mentor DeMint fulfill his dream of seeing 30 Trucons in the US Senate rather than a stinky old Republican majority.

Cruz is a con man. Plain and simple.

Terrye on October 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

If Obama threatened to shut down the government and refused to raise the debt ceiling unless the House gave him single payer, then idiots like alchemist would be insisting that the House end the “political theatrics” and pass single payer.

blink on October 18, 2013 at 8:22 PM

You’ve already worked your way up to ad hominem supposition? That sure didn’t take very long, did it?

If Graham (Paul, not Lindsey) is correct then your next step should be to call be a “poopy butt” or something along those lines. Then when I laugh at you for doing that you should nuke your whole train wreck of an argument by comparing me to Hitler.

alchemist19 on October 18, 2013 at 8:52 PM

If Obama threatened to shut down the government and refused to raise the debt ceiling unless the House gave him single payer, then idiots like alchemist would be insisting that the House end the “political theatrics” and pass single payer.

blink on October 18, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Congratulations on missing the entire point of the last two weeks. Who knew that you could hold a blink that long.

Mr. Arkadin on October 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Republicans don’t have a majority in the Senate. If you meant something different, then feel free to clarify.

blink on October 18, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Don’t bother, Terrye. The rest of us get it.

Mr. Arkadin on October 18, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Cruz is a con man. Plain and simple.

Terrye on October 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Make the case or get lost. You keep spitting up “plain and simple” declaratives without an ounce of cogent argument.

rrpjr on October 18, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Cruz is a con man. Plain and simple.

Terrye on October 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Two options: 1. you didn’t listen to his 20 hour exegesis on the facts and implications of Obamacare so have no basis to call him a con man, or 2. you did listen to some of it but have seriously defective powers of comprehension.

rrpjr on October 18, 2013 at 9:34 PM

The sodomites and the reprobates are losing it. LOL

Murphy9 on October 18, 2013 at 9:38 PM

The only way to dismantle ObamaCare is to win elections. Democrats won’t just fold on ObamaCare because they don’t have to do so as long as they control the Senate and the White House; this is a lifetime achievement for them. That means that Republicans and conservatives have to stop attacking each other’s integrity over choices in tactics, and focus on winning elections that replace Democratic incumbents in the Senate with solid Republican candidates, and building the argument to eliminate ObamaCare altogether after the 2016 elections. And that means that conservatives and moderates within the party need to aim their rhetorical guns outward rather than inward, and activists need to focus on Democratic Senate seats rather than embark on purity campaigns within the GOP caucus.

Watch out now Ed, you’re making a little too much sense. If you’re not careful, you’ll be accused of being a RINO. The irrational wing of the Tea Party will consider this heresy and give us a few more Angles, Akins, and Mourdocks, and cost us the senate yet again.

ncconservative on October 18, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Cruz came to the Senate to help his mentor DeMint fulfill his dream of seeing 30 Trucons in the US Senate rather than a stinky old Republican majority.

Cruz is a con man. Plain and simple.

Terrye on October 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

.
So, who was “conned”? … It wasn’t me.

Yourself, maybe?

listens2glenn on October 18, 2013 at 9:58 PM

The only way to dismantle ObamaCare is to win elections.

This is idiotic. The above quote was said in a way that implied that it’s not worth doing anything before you win elections. That’s brain-dead stupid. Democrats don’t think that way and never will. They fight for each inch they can get at all times. I’ll give you one example. After Cruz’ filibuster, he was on the Senate floor and was going to talk for 20 minutes. Reid asked him if he could introduce the bills that the House had passed since these were all going to be objected to and then Cruz could have his 20 minutes. At each bill, the Demacrats didn’t just object. They amended each and every bill to have a clean CR and made an argument each time. Then Cruz went and made a counter-argument to each one and objected to each amendment. Reid was so annoyed as to ask Cruz why he was taking so much time making responses when none of this was going to pass. His response was simply that he did not agree to Dems making unopposed statements. If the Dems are going to make a statement, then he’s going to make a statement as well on behalf of the Rupublicans.

What this means is that Republicans never bother to fight for each inch. They never argue in the Senate. Yet the Democrats argue on every point.

The whole purpose of the filibuster is to educate and inform people. Every fight is meant to make the American people aware of the issue and hopefully set a narrative. That’s how you win elections. But the defeatist RINO’s including the wrongheaded author of this article are to blame for giving Dems free PR advantages over and over again and when they get to elections, there’s just too much ground to make up.

If you’re shocked that idiotic self-fulfilling defeatist attitudes keep losing out, then I’m afraid you shouldn’t be telling others that you don’t think their tactics would have worked.

MrX on October 18, 2013 at 10:04 PM

alchemist19, you’ve made your position very clear.

Yep.

You never want to go against Obama,

That’s not my position. It does not surprise me though that you don’t understand.

because Obama and can shut down the government and/or refuse to raise the debt ceiling and successfully blame Republicans.

You’ve also made it clear that Obama would do it, since he doesn’t need to run for reelection.

Don’t blame me for accurately articulating the corner you’ve backed yourself into.

blink on October 18, 2013 at 9:12 PM

I should know better by now but I’m still going to try again anyway; pretty much everyone on Hot Air is smarter than you are so I’m confident the overwhelming majority of them get it so this is strictly for your benefit.

Obama’s insulated from public opinion so he’s more free to do unpopular things, including but not limited to preserving Obamacare. All the recent polling data shows us the public dislikes the strategy of coupling a desired policy position to something like a government shutdown or default as a negotiation tactic, even if there is support for the desired policy change. In this case Obamacare is unpopular but the shutdown was more unpopular and since the Republicans were the ones trying to use the shutdown to get something they wanted (Obamacare defunded or repealed or whatever Cruz thought low-substance conservatives wanted to hear on that particular day) and were perceived as starting the fight they were the ones who got the blame. It’s a testament to the political ineptitude of some in the conservative movement that they could take a relatively popular position like opposition to Obamacare and use it to execute a tactic that they got the public to turn against them.

As the adults (and Ed is one) have been pointing out since this debacle started, the issue here isn’t about political desires, it’s about tactics and in terms of tactics Cruz and Co. executed one of the most unnecessary boneheaded disasters in recent American politics. If Obama was stupid enough to repeat Cruz’s mistake and threaten a shutdown or debt default or something else because he wouldn’t sign on to funding that didn’t include amnesty or a carbon tax or whatever other liberal pipe dream he wants then it’s Obama who becomes the bad guy because he’s coupling the unrelated items together to get something unrelated he wants passed. Cruz started this recent fight so it’s him and the GOP who are being blamed for the negative consequences, if Obama starts the fight then it becomes his fault. He’s got the freedom to do such a thing and not have to worry about his own electoral future but if the GOP starts to gain traction while he sinks he would be setting up a reverse 2008 that could threaten to undo his entire legacy. And if Obama is stupid enough to pull a Cruz we should let him shut down the government for just as long as he wants.

Clear enough for you yet?

alchemist19 on October 18, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Don’t bother, Terrye. The rest of us get it.

Mr. Arkadin on October 18, 2013 at 9:26 PM

What he said.

alchemist19 on October 18, 2013 at 10:05 PM

The sodomites and the reprobates are losing it. LOL

Murphy9 on October 18, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Sodomites and reprobates?…. What the deuce?

Do you have two pages open and did you post this in the wrong thread by mistake?

alchemist19 on October 18, 2013 at 10:06 PM

So lets talk Cruz.

He ran our country into the ground (on purpose), caused like 24 billion dollars in damage to our economy, put thousands of people out of work, is directly responsible for closing national parks (and then protested.. the closing of national parks – with special guest star sarah palin) and he didn’t even succeed in getting what he wanted. After all that.

Conservatives should be pissed because he failed and ruined their party’s chances in 2014, and liberals should be pissed for reasons that are obvious to everyone.

And his stupid face. His stupid pouty face. It’s no surprise this guy ain’t popular.

triple on October 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

If Obama threatened to shut down the government and refused to raise the debt ceiling unless the House gave him single payer, then idiots like alchemist would be insisting that the House end the “political theatrics” and pass single payer.

blink on October 18, 2013 at 8:22 PM

..but obama hasn’t done that.

thanks obama. (no really!)

triple on October 18, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Mr. Arkadin on October 18, 2013 at 4:36 PM

You’re a smarmy little peckerhead, aren’t you.

Solaratov on October 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM

You’re a smarmy little peckerhead, aren’t you.

Harumph ! I resemble that . . .

williampeck1958 on October 18, 2013 at 10:42 PM

The sodomites and the reprobates are losing it. LOL

Murphy9 on October 18, 2013 at 9:38 PM

The rest of you want to keep bending over for Obama and attacking those that refuse.

blink on October 18, 2013 at 11:10 PM

Some of you good conservatives seem remarkably obsessed with passive anal intercourse. What’s up with that?

Mr. Arkadin on October 18, 2013 at 11:17 PM

The problem is that you’re too stupid to understand what I’m saying.

blink on October 18, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Since that would require him to be catatonic, I think not.

Mr. Arkadin on October 18, 2013 at 11:20 PM

triple on October 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Die in your sodomy idiot. Contract AIDS, develop HIV, just fking go the fk away you worthless excrement.

Murphy9 on October 18, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Terrye on October 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

DeMint Cruz 2016

Bmore on October 18, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Ooh, Ted Cruz is going to save the world…all…by…himself. Why did he bother with the US Senate, then, where he is only 1 of 100, if he had no intention of working with others? Suppose every senator felt the same way? Is that really what the Founding Fathers intended?

He is the Barack Obama of the right. He’s also like Chuck Schumer in that he always has to have his ugly mug in front of a camera.

I don’t know why the bloggers keep talking facts and the importance of political strategy when the TruCons are well and truly dug in, living in an alternative reality.

Meredith on October 18, 2013 at 11:31 PM

triple on October 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Die in your sodomy idiot. Contract AIDS, develop HIV, just fking go the fk away you worthless excrement.

Murphy9 on October 18, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Is he a homosexual too? Why do our trolls seem to be either homosexuals or Canadians?

slickwillie2001 on October 19, 2013 at 12:00 AM

conservatives and moderates within the party need to aim their rhetorical guns outward rather than inward

Yes, Ed, but really? Really????

The rhetoric coming from McCain and Co. is disgusting and malicious. Imagine slapping your wife and calling her a ______. That’s a turning point in a marriage.

Cruz doesn’t speak that way.

Saltysam on October 19, 2013 at 12:15 AM

Is that really what the Founding Fathers intended?

Meredith on October 18, 2013 at 11:31 PM

They intended that a Senator would act to represent their respective state legislatures, not as party apparatchiks.

Saltysam on October 19, 2013 at 12:22 AM

The rest of us get it.

Mr. Arkadin on October 18, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Get what, idiot? That for the first time in the last 30 years the republicans actually have a talented player who fights with the same fervor as the Left fights and so now must be destroyed by insecure, loser limp-di*k RINOs? Yeah, I get it.

rrpjr on October 19, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Whats up with you, dude? You instigated a revolution that everyone (the realists) knew would end in failure. And now you’re whining again. Lol. Stop the grand show boating, will ya?

tommy71 on October 19, 2013 at 12:32 AM

The only way to dismantle ObamaCare is to win elections.

Plug “Social Security” or “Medicare” into that same sentence. We’ve won a lot of elections since those two programs were created. How’ve we done at dismantling them, exactly?

Good Solid B-Plus on October 19, 2013 at 12:43 AM

He ran our country into the ground (on purpose)

triple on October 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

You mean like Obamacare purposely being mishandled by Dems to get us to single payer?

Oh, right, it’s different when Dems do it because (insert partisan blather here).

Good Solid B-Plus on October 19, 2013 at 12:47 AM

The only way to dismantle ObamaCare is to win elections.

Plug “Social Security” or “Medicare” into that same sentence. We’ve won a lot of elections since those two programs were created. How’ve we done at dismantling them, exactly?

Good Solid B-Plus on October 19, 2013 at 12:43 AM

Yeah, and all we have to do is look to what the GOP did when they had the WH amd both houses. Abysmal.

I have to disagree with Ed on this one, too. A lot could be accomplished with willingness to fight like hell, perhaps more than with a milquetoast majority.

Saltysam on October 19, 2013 at 12:53 AM

…lotta trolls on Ted…heh?

KOOLAID2 on October 19, 2013 at 12:57 AM

…lotta trolls on Ted…heh?

KOOLAID2 on October 19, 2013 at 12:57 AM

I guess fear is contagious.

Saltysam on October 19, 2013 at 12:59 AM

…no kidding Saltysam…and there will be tons more as he starts firing up some people!

KOOLAID2 on October 19, 2013 at 1:18 AM

A friend to all is a friend to none. — Aristotle.

Chaz706 on October 19, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Obama THREATENED to Shut Down The Government If he didn’t “Get HIS Wya”

He conspired with Harry Reid TO “Shut Down The Government” – but only 16% of it – WHEN someone Questioned if he SHOULD “Get His Way”

Everyone Knows this – EVERYONE saw it coming – and HERE’S The Video That PROVES it:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/09/16/hume_obama_tends_to_engage_in_partisan_attacks_more_than_any_other_president.html

williamg on October 19, 2013 at 1:59 AM

I have to disagree with Ed on this one, too. A lot could be accomplished with willingness to fight like hell, perhaps more than with a milquetoast majority.

Saltysam on October 19, 2013 at 12:53 AM

I have no desire to lose. There’s no honor in being a valiant minority if you’re powerless.

But I’m also not an idiot. Does anyone really think the cure for everything that ails us is unbridled Republican governance? They’ve had the WH and Congress plenty of times, and they were never able to solve our gravest issues, like the crippling reality of our entitlement programs being broke and rocketing this country to fiscal irrelevance.

Good Solid B-Plus on October 19, 2013 at 2:30 AM

The only way to dismantle ObamaCare is to win elections.

Ed’s reading Obama’s script. I’m not surprised.

Win Elections: 2010. Did that, House GOP Majority.

Consider well the outcome of winning elections given Republican Leadership still Boehner and McConnell, and the incumbents co-opting national Republican Party campaign funding for themselves. Indeed, continue to win elections based on platform. (And a double negative is hardly a firm foundation.)

“only way” — That’s an intransigent position.

This has no clarity of position, just double negative, mushy wiggle room:

“opposition to strategy is not the same thing as opposition to end goals.” — Although the opposition to strategy could be coupled with opposition to end goals. Boehner/McConnell opposed the defunding effort while promoting ObamaCare: “It’s the law of the land.” Washingtonian GOP Sound Bite getting shoved down our throats all session long.

Produce evidence of Boehner/McConnell dismantling Obamacare. Triple dog dare.

maverick muse on October 19, 2013 at 6:33 AM

[T]he attacks went both ways, and that started before the shutdown. When Cruz and Mike Lee pushed hard for the defunding strategy and the shutdown tactics, their allies attacked Republicans who opposed those strategic choices as “voting for ObamaCare” ….

It’s not an attack to say voting against defunding O’care is the equivalent of voting for O’care. The Republicans’ response of calling Cruz crazy and stupid, etc. was uncalled for. You can disagree with someone’s tactics without resorting to name-calling.

Syzygy on October 19, 2013 at 8:13 AM

I don’t know who this Ed Morrisey character is. Now I don’t care to nor do I care what he says. Says lets not criticize each other……while he criticizes us. Stupid is as stupid does.

devan95 on October 19, 2013 at 9:22 AM

This is what happens when ordinary people DO NOT get involved in the primary process and its true for both sides. We end up with ideologically pure pinheads who cannot begin to fathom the idea of compromise.

So the libs ram a health care bill down our throats without compromise and then people like Cruz come along with their religious zeal and rail and carry on and completely change the focus from the disaster that the health plan is to their own stupidity.

We get the government we deserve and we our apathy has led us to this unbelievable disfunction.

Dewhurst, who has always been somewhat moderate conservative got beaten by the Cruz-bots and he is now running on a campaign of “I hate Mexican children”. All of them are.

smorrow66 on October 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Cruz does ooze integrity.
I am proud he stood up and made the point that Obamacare is BAD for America. As this healthcare disaster unfolds, people will remember that the conservative tea party tried to warn us. I believe 2014 and 2016 can be a time of shifting Congress to the right. Thank you and may God bless you, Ted Cruz.

3dpuzzman on October 19, 2013 at 10:14 AM

It seems to me that everyone here is missing the point. Obama and the Democrats orchestrated the shutdown and made the Conservative Republicans the scapegoats. There are too many people in this country still drinking the Obama Kool Aid and listening to the MSM to be well informed in the truth. I hear people say “you have to win elections” well there are 44 Republicans in the Senate, only 19 stood their ground. Using that math, if the Republicans won every seat in the Senate the Democrats would still have the majority. Liberals, progressives, and moderates are all the same thing, and they are not good for our country.

savage24 on October 19, 2013 at 10:29 AM

It is my thought that Anything that Establishment Republicans have said of Ted Cruz could easily be attributed to Other Historical Figures regarding Other “Lost Causes.”

For Example;
“The fact is, if you come up with a strategy that’s going to hold up the legitimate powers, and you have no way of winning, you’re either a fraud, or you’re totally incompetent,”
…Santa Anna referring to Davie Crocket

“The good citizens of this country will pay dearly for these shenanigans, and King Leonidas and his ilk seem not to care the least about it.”
…Xerxes

Keep in mind, both of the former lost their battles, but the wars would never have been won if not for each of those lost battles.

jaydee_007 on October 19, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Cruz made 100 million conservative friends…we will have to drag the rest of the republicans across the finish line. That is…after we purge the party of McCain, McConnell, Boehner, etc. Enjoy the short time you have left RINOs.

trs on October 19, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Get what, idiot? That for the first time in the last 30 years the republicans actually have a talented player who fights with the same fervor as the Left fights and so now must be destroyed by insecure, loser limp-di*k RINOs? Yeah, I get it.

rrpjr on October 19, 2013 at 12:30 AM

But he didn’t really fight though. He just shook his fist at the sky and sold a bunch of apparently easily-mislead people on the lie that it was going to make a bit of difference.

alchemist19 on October 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

alchemist19, the problem isn’t your sophomoric point isn’t clear to me.

The problem is that you’re too stupid to understand what I’m saying. You continue to mischaracterize while you incessantly repeat the same exact drivel over and over again.

Then, after I’ve forced you into your corner, you ditch the thread.

You exhibit nothing except sophomoric, linear thinking.

blink on October 18, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Actually your problem is three-fold. It’s that a) I understand exactly what you’re saying, b) I’m smart enough to recognize how stupid what you’re saying is, and c) I’m willing to call you on it.

alchemist19 on October 19, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Some of you good conservatives seem remarkably obsessed with passive anal intercourse. What’s up with that?

Mr. Arkadin on October 18, 2013 at 11:17 PM

I think their obsession with it is because one needs to sodomize oneself with one’s own head for what they’re saying to make any sense.

alchemist19 on October 19, 2013 at 3:25 PM

But he didn’t really fight though. He just shook his fist at the sky and sold a bunch of apparently easily-mislead people on the lie that it was going to make a bit of difference.

alchemist19 on October 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Neat combination of stupidity, insolence and insult. Tool.

I’d like to see you stand alone for 20 hours before the American people perorating about an issue Daniel Webster-style and come feel claiming you didn’t fight. Did you expect him to take up a weapon? But in fact, he did, and the only one available to him – his political oratory.

rrpjr on October 19, 2013 at 4:18 PM

You’ve got me as a friend Mr. Cruz.

Great Job, it’s nice to see at least 1 MAN in the GOP who isn’t a limp, wet noodle that couldn’t get it up if his life depended on it, YOU CAN!

Thank You.

mmcnamer1 on October 19, 2013 at 7:38 PM

If Cruz and Lee had not tried to defund Obamacare, no one would be talking about the failure of Obamacare. And Cruz did not shut down the government. The president and Harry Reid did. They could have passed the CR that was sent over that funded everything but Obamacare, or the CR that funded everything but took away the special Obamacare waiver given to Congress or the CR that funded everything but delayed Obamacare for one year for individuals. The democrats wanted the shutdown BUT they overplayed their hand by vindictively going after the military and Veterans. And as the effects of Obamacare are felt, it will be Ted Cruz and the other conservatives who will be heralded because they tried to stop it. 2014 will be images of 90 year old men being barricaded from the WWII memorial and the images of a paraplegic vet carrying a barrier to the White House on his Segway. And no one will be allowed to forget that dead soldiers families were being denied death benefits. A loss for conservatives? You keep thinking that.

fight like a girl on October 19, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Heads Up:

FBI, Capitol Police investigate reported Twitter threats against Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas – @ABC

1 min ago from abcnews.go.com by editor
===========================================

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-capitol-police-investigating-ted-cruz-twitter-threats/story?id=20623361

canopfor on October 19, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Neat combination of stupidity, insolence and insult. Tool.

I’d like to see you stand alone for 20 hours before the American people perorating about an issue Daniel Webster-style and come feel claiming you didn’t fight. Did you expect him to take up a weapon? But in fact, he did, and the only one available to him – his political oratory.

rrpjr on October 19, 2013 at 4:18 PM

You’re a textbook example of the people so drunk on ideology that they’ve abandoned common sense and embraced symbolism over substance. Cruz was up there for 20 hours alright but he wasn’t putting up a fight, he was putting on a show. That’s why the pro-wrestling analogy works so well. What we saw play out was a scripted event with a predetermined ending but some of the audience (both you and some others) doesn’t understand that and instead think you saw an epic struggle being waged. It wasn’t.

alchemist19 on October 19, 2013 at 8:25 PM

It could have made a difference. It could have made a big difference if there weren’t so many cowards like you. Cowards that bow down whenever Obama tells you to bow.

blink on October 19, 2013 at 8:05 PM

And if you cheer for Hulk Hogan just a little bit louder he will draw the energy from the crowd he needs to beat that rascally… I don’t know who the guy was, I’ve not fallen for stuff like that since I was eight years old.

alchemist19 on October 19, 2013 at 8:27 PM

blink on October 19, 2013 at 8:09 PM

I’ve never indicated that I understand what you think? Ok, here goes…. I understand what you think! It’s just that what you think is demonstrably false so I don’t take it seriously.

alchemist19 on October 19, 2013 at 8:30 PM

You’re a textbook example of the people so drunk on ideology that they’ve abandoned common sense and embraced symbolism over substance. Cruz was up there for 20 hours alright but he wasn’t putting up a fight, he was putting on a show.
alchemist19 on October 19, 2013 at 8:25 PM

I have no problem being called an ideological alcoholic. But the problem with the rest of your analysis, the reason why it can’t be taken seriously, is that it’s totally unprovable. The fact is, Cruz perorated extemporaneously for 21 hours against Obamacare. To maintain this is all show and no substantive is not merely childish but counter-intuitive. And even if it was partly show (the best and most effective political performances are always a mix of symbol and substance), there is still the 21 hours of substance that millions heard and understood as substance in conformance with their own values. This truth is indissoluble. Against a childish simile of wrestling?

Also, if this wasn’t fighting and its drunken overreaching to assert that it is, I’d appreciate an example of what IS fighting, at least in the context of Obamacare. After all, the RINOs promised effusively in 2010 to “fight Obamacare.” Can you cite an example of this fight, a more worthier and substantial contribution to the fight than Ted Cruz’s?

rrpjr on October 19, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Cruz came to the Senate to help his mentor DeMint fulfill his dream of seeing 30 Trucons in the US Senate rather than a stinky old Republican majority.

Cruz is a con man. Plain and simple.

Terrye on October 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

No.. he’s the first republican leader since Reagan with skills and stones.. we’ve let the supposedly “moderate” establishment offer one get along go along character after another, and what’s that gotten us but misery as the left wins and you people shrug…

Maybe I’m still thinking like I was in a fireteam, but he’s a leader, a gutsy one, and I’d follow him up any hill, no matter how much the uh… sigh, OH GOD, ANOTHER conservative true believer… whiners hate him..

He’s got the fire the base has demanded since Reagan.. He’s credentialed, he’s skilled, and the best you naysayers can do is call him names.

So lets talk Cruz.

He ran our country into the ground (on purpose), caused like 24 billion dollars in damage to our economy, put thousands of people out of work, is directly responsible for closing national parks (and then protested.. the closing of national parks – with special guest star sarah palin) and he didn’t even succeed in getting what he wanted. After all that.

Conservatives should be pissed because he failed and ruined their party’s chances in 2014, and liberals should be pissed for reasons that are obvious to everyone.

And his stupid face. His stupid pouty face. It’s no surprise this guy ain’t popular.

triple on October 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

So he alone did the shutdown, in the Senate where all he did was stake out a position,.. he passed no Bill, the House did that.. and Obama instead of being an adult, threw a shutdown tantrum that was entirely his..

I’ll refrain from calling you what that lie of a post deserves..

and if his face is your issue, you’re as shallow as any of the “another day’ crowd… That the best you have?

really?

I find Obama’s face sickening in his love of slimey smirks, and glaring hate stares..

but I don’t build my argument against his policies on that.. that you do with Cruz, did you quit learning debate after the 3rd grade?

mark81150 on October 20, 2013 at 11:17 AM

You’re a textbook example of the people so drunk on ideology that they’ve abandoned common sense and embraced symbolism over substance. Cruz was up there for 20 hours alright but he wasn’t putting up a fight, he was putting on a show.
alchemist19 on October 19, 2013 at 8:25 PM

I have no problem being called an ideological alcoholic. But the problem with the rest of your analysis, the reason why it can’t be taken seriously, is that it’s totally unprovable. The fact is, Cruz perorated extemporaneously for 21 hours against Obamacare. To maintain this is all show and no substantive is not merely childish but counter-intuitive. And even if it was partly show (the best and most effective political performances are always a mix of symbol and substance), there is still the 21 hours of substance that millions heard and understood as substance in conformance with their own values. This truth is indissoluble. Against a childish simile of wrestling?

Also, if this wasn’t fighting and its drunken overreaching to assert that it is, I’d appreciate an example of what IS fighting, at least in the context of Obamacare. After all, the RINOs promised effusively in 2010 to “fight Obamacare.” Can you cite an example of this fight, a more worthier and substantial contribution to the fight than Ted Cruz’s?

rrpjr on October 19, 2013 at 11:20 PM

You have a lot more patience than I do rrpjr.

I’ll give my take on his tantrum..

You’re a textbook example of the people so drunk on ideology that they’ve abandoned common sense and embraced symbolism over substance.

That pretty well describes the establishment reaction to Cruz. So drunk on the ideology of get along go along, they throw the best and brightest on the fire so as not to rock the boat… sssssshhhhh daddy Obama will hear and be cross with us, quick, throw Ted out the window,.. snicker…

Then still DRUNK with the power of the establishment, they go on every Sunday show to explain.. no no.. HE’S the CRAZY one, see I’m just like you…

and the lies about Obama being blameless and it was ALL Cruz’s doing pile up.

What in the Hell is WRONG with you people alchemist19?

You keep saying it’s about knowing when to fight, about better tactics, but your tactic is to NEVER fight, ever.. and when someone exhibits the guts of a champion, you trash him worse than you ever did Obama..

Why?

Resent he’s now beloved by the base? Seems that too was the establishments whine about Palin, eeew… the base LIKES her, she must be stupid like them… This fight is just a surrogate for your real hatred.. you like many of the pro-establishment crowd, detest your own party’s largest faction.. it’s working class working poor base. It’s plain in every anti-Cruz rant by every kneejerk reactionary in the party..

Just admit, you identify more with Obama’s people on a class level and be done with it.

The same nasty things were said when the fight over Romney was raging.. establishment to the base..

“shut up.. and let your betters do this.. we’ll tell you who you are allowed to like. You just wanna see Obama bleed like animals.. You’re “drunk” on your?.. not our? ideology…

The fight has nothing to do with Obama at this point, your side simply hates the base has had ENOUGH of your kind.

mark81150 on October 20, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Cruz came to the Senate to help his mentor DeMint fulfill his dream of seeing 30 Trucons in the US Senate rather than a stinky old Republican majority.

Cruz is a con man. Plain and simple.

Terrye on October 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

The Republicans have had majorities in the Senate before…..with enough liberals, moderates, and listless tools who could not be counted on to vote the right way on major policies when it came time.

Ted Cruz conned no one, he told people he would fight to end Zero Care and went to do it, other Republicans promised the same and surrendered before the fight even got started….some even whined when they got called out to join the fight they promised to support.

The real conmen in the House and Senate are the guys who promised to fight then said, “we can win so why try” or bitched at Ted Cruz for keeping his commitment to his voters.

thmsmgnm on October 20, 2013 at 11:52 AM

I have no problem being called an ideological alcoholic. But the problem with the rest of your analysis, the reason why it can’t be taken seriously, is that it’s totally unprovable. The fact is, Cruz perorated extemporaneously for 21 hours against Obamacare. To maintain this is all show and no substantive is not merely childish but counter-intuitive. And even if it was partly show (the best and most effective political performances are always a mix of symbol and substance), there is still the 21 hours of substance that millions heard and understood as substance in conformance with their own values. This truth is indissoluble. Against a childish simile of wrestling?

Cruz tipped his hand before this all started and within that is the proof you ask for. Remember before House passed their first defund measure and Cruz was cheering it on? So do I. That whole effort by the House was for naught because Harry Reid employed normal Senate procedures to strip out the defunding measure which lead to Cruz’s speech on the floor. Now why was Cruz encouraging the House to pass a bill when Reid was going to be able to strip out the most relevant portion of it, thus forcing him to “filibuster”? Either Cruz was ignorant and didn’t know Reid could change the House bill once it got to the Senate, or Cruz knew Reid would do exactly what he was going to do and would thus be forced to launch a “filibuster”. Ted Cruz is way too smart for me to reasonable believe he didn’t know how the Senate operates so that leaves me to conclude Cruz knew what Reid’s play would be if the House defund bill made it to the Senate floor. So knowing what Reid would do he launched a pretend filibuster that accomplished exactly nothing just so he could say he fought Obamacare while tossing red meat to the base for however many hours he spoke up there. The fact the House didn’t immediately pass Reid’s rewritten Senate bill is illustrative of the fact the “filibuster” was unnecessary. Either Cruz was ignorant or it was all a show. That pandering for primary votes was the extent of the real substance of the shutdown.

Also, if this wasn’t fighting and its drunken overreaching to assert that it is, I’d appreciate an example of what IS fighting, at least in the context of Obamacare. After all, the RINOs promised effusively in 2010 to “fight Obamacare.” Can you cite an example of this fight, a more worthier and substantial contribution to the fight than Ted Cruz’s?

rrpjr on October 19, 2013 at 11:20 PM

It’s sad to say it but the only real substance in the fight against Obamacare at the federal level can’t come until January of 2017, and that’s only if the next few elections go the right now. At the federal level it took massive Democrat majorities in both houses to pass that monstrosity and a Democrat president to sign it into law, and we will need comparable Republican majorities and a Republican president to undo it.

I’m not sure what you mean by the RINOs in 2010 who promised to fight Obamacare. If you mean the Republicans in Congress in 2010 when Obamacare was passed then the RINOs, the conservatives and everyone else in Congress did everything they could but they were so outnumbers they weren’t able to stop it. If you mean the people who were elected in 2010, there was nothing they alone could have done because we need the aforementioned massive majorities and the presidency to bury this abomination of a law once and for all.

alchemist19 on October 20, 2013 at 5:01 PM

No, you moron. The debt ceiling date set by Treasury could have easily been exceeded if the House hadn’t have too many idiot cowards like you.

Why are you claiming that it was predeteremined that Oct 18 couldn’t come and go without a law?

Moron.

blink on October 20, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Quote where I claimed that.

alchemist19 on October 20, 2013 at 5:14 PM

That pretty well describes the establishment reaction to Cruz. So drunk on the ideology of get along go along, they throw the best and brightest on the fire so as not to rock the boat… sssssshhhhh daddy Obama will hear and be cross with us, quick, throw Ted out the window,.. snicker…

Show me where I endorsed going along to getting along. You’re making assumptions to fit your narrative.

Then still DRUNK with the power of the establishment, they go on every Sunday show to explain.. no no.. HE’S the CRAZY one, see I’m just like you…

Cruz is brilliant. It’s some of his fans that aren’t.

and the lies about Obama being blameless and it was ALL Cruz’s doing pile up.

What in the Hell is WRONG with you people alchemist19?

Our firm grasp on reality has a way of killing pleasant but unrealistic dreams.

You keep saying it’s about knowing when to fight, about better tactics,

It is.

but your tactic is to NEVER fight, ever..

Liar liar pants on fire!

and when someone exhibits the guts of a champion, you trash him worse than you ever did Obama..

Cruz’s tactics required absolutely no guts whatsoever. I’m not saying he is gutless, just that there was nothing brave about what he did.

Why?

Because it was a low risk proposition for a man from a reliably red state.

Resent he’s now beloved by the base?

More that I’m mystified a portion of the base loves him for engaging in empty symbolism.

Seems that too was the establishments whine about Palin, eeew… the base LIKES her, she must be stupid like them…

I was a Palinista until I got to know her, but that’s another story.

This fight is just a surrogate for your real hatred.. you like many of the pro-establishment crowd, detest your own party’s largest faction.. it’s working class working poor base.

We’ve got a mind reader on our hands! Not a very good one but a mind reader nonetheless.

It’s plain in every anti-Cruz rant by every kneejerk reactionary in the party..

That we value substance over symbolism?

Just admit, you identify more with Obama’s people on a class level and be done with it.

I don’t identify with the Obamaphone lady in the slightest.

The same nasty things were said when the fight over Romney was raging.. establishment to the base..

OK. What does that have to do with Cruz’s pandering?

“shut up.. and let your betters do this.. we’ll tell you who you are allowed to like. You just wanna see Obama bleed like animals.. You’re “drunk” on your?.. not our? ideology…

Who inside this establishment thing said this to the base?

The fight has nothing to do with Obama at this point, your side simply hates the base has had ENOUGH of your kind.

mark81150 on October 20, 2013 at 11:40 AM

I’m a reliable Republican primary voter who’s very interested in politics and is very passionate about what I believe. I’m just as much a member of the base as you are. You don’t speak for the base, nor do you have a monopoly on their thought. And quit trying to play the victim.

alchemist19 on October 20, 2013 at 5:27 PM

As long as the media lies Obama’s lies, the GOP loses.

The media must be undermined as a fraud.

Until then, whatever goes wrong in the world the GOP is the media’s default culprit.

Floods, famine, plague, drive-bys, ingrown toenails, Obamacare’s website fiasco- the GOP is at fault, period.

And Cruz is the newest symbolic point man for their media’s O-wrath.

profitsbeard on October 20, 2013 at 9:44 PM

The only way to dismantle ObamaCare is to win elections.

Ed Morrisey

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If ‘government mandated and managed medical services‘ (“ObamaCare” to most people) could be delayed until 2015, then I could agree with that, Ed.

listens2glenn on October 20, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Didn’t Ted Cruz campaign to get rid of Obamacare? Apparently he’s not being honest to his constituents.

His defund strategy would not get rid of the 80/20 medical payout/loss ratio rule, would not get rid of the mandates, would not get rid of the Minimum Coverage requirements, nor the language translation requirements, nor the thousands of references in the law that “shall be at the discretion of the director of Health and Human Services”.

So where is this great hero crusade to fight ObamaCare? Defund…huh. It’s pointless. It’s like defunding laws against murder. Doesn’t make any sense. Sen. Cruz shouldn’t break his arm patting himself on the back for a plan that leaves that crap sandwich still on the books. So now he has to admit that it was “his” tactic to achieve a larger goal. Fair enough, now we can debate his tactic. Hopefully without Sen Cruz calling people who disagreed with him “supporters of Obamacare”. And his tactic stunk.

Norbitz on October 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM

So lets talk Cruz.

triple on October 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

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CRUZ ! ………….. Ok, I said it.
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He ran our country into the ground (on purpose), caused like 24 billion dollars in damage to our economy, put thousands of people out of work, is directly responsible for closing national parks (and then protested the closing of national parks – with special guest star sarah palin) and he didn’t even succeed in getting what he wanted. After all that.

triple on October 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

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Our country is no more “run into the ground”, than it was before the ‘government shut-down’ (which really wasn’t).
If “thousands of people” were put out of work, then it only proves how ‘overreaching’ the control of our federal government is.
The only protests I recall, were over the closing of the ‘open air’ monuments on the National Mall in D.C., that cost way more to barricade, and guard against viewers, than doing nothing would have.
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Conservatives should be pissed because he failed and ruined their party’s chances in 2014 …..

triple on October 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

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Ohhh, I don’t believe he “failed”, or “ruined” anything for the Republicans, and I’m definitely not “pissed” over what he did.
McConnell and McCain on the other hand ………

Just the same, thanks for the advice on how Republicans should change their strategy to win … ’cause I know how hard you’re rooting for us.
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….. and liberals should be pissed for reasons that are obvious to everyone.

triple on October 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

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GOOD ! … The more “pissed” they get, the better I like it.
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And his stupid face. His stupid pouty face. It’s no surprise this guy ain’t popular.

triple on October 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

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That last line is way more “stupid” and “pouty” than any ‘eccentricities’ about Ted Cruz’ face.

listens2glenn on October 20, 2013 at 11:09 PM

I’m a reliable Republican primary voter who’s very interested in politics and is very passionate about what I believe. I’m just as much a member of the base as you are. You don’t speak for the base, nor do you have a monopoly on their thought. And quit trying to play the victim.

Says a sodomite atheist?

ROFL!

Murphy9 on October 20, 2013 at 11:27 PM

So where is this great hero crusade to fight ObamaCare? Defund…huh. It’s pointless. It’s like defunding laws against murder. Doesn’t make any sense.

Norbitz on October 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM

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‘Government mandated and managed medical services’ can NOT be compared laws that prevent a condition of ‘anarchy’ from taking hold on our society.
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Sen. Cruz shouldn’t break his arm patting himself on the back for a plan that leaves that crap sandwich still on the books.

Norbitz on October 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM

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If that’s what you believe he’s doing, then remain ‘indignant’ over it. But I don’t believe he’s doing any such thing.
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So now he has to admit that it was “his” tactic to achieve a larger goal. Fair enough, now we can debate his tactic.

Norbitz on October 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM

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Which “tactic” are we debating, here? I wasn’t aware that Ted had any influence in the budget ‘stalemate’.
But the ‘filibuster’ … yeah, that was his.
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Hopefully without Sen Cruz calling people who disagreed with him “supporters of Obamacare”. And his tactic stunk.

Norbitz on October 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM

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“Stunk” is “in the eye of the individual beholder”.

You and I have contradictory perspectives as pertains to Ted Cruz’ words and actions, but there’s nothing I can do about that.

I don’t view what he said or did as ‘failure’.

listens2glenn on October 20, 2013 at 11:45 PM

No wonder the GOP is broken. A reading of just this thread alone puts on full display the disfunction.

Bmore on October 21, 2013 at 10:14 AM

No wonder the GOP is broken. A reading of just this thread alone puts on full display the disfunction.

Bmore on October 21, 2013 at 10:14 AM

I blame Cruz for not even succeeding to get people on our side on board with him before he went through with this. Then he said those not on board were supporters of Obamacare. Great. Just today he said those that didn’t agree with him were like the Airforce dropping bombs on our side. Not very unifying rhetoric if you ask me.

I’m sorry if I’m going off on Cruz but in this case I think he deserves it. I won’t bother with what McCain or King said, I think they are far worse, but I’ve already written them off. I’m calling on Cruz to be a unifier and a leader for a good cause, so far he’s not.

Norbitz on October 21, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Says a sodomite atheist?

ROFL!

Murphy9 on October 20, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Did I ever say I was a sodomite? And even if I was, so what? It wouldn’t make my points any more or less valid, nor my vote count any less on election day. Attacking the person rather than the point is the mark of a point that you can’t refute. Can’t say I’m surprised.

Also, I’m not sure if you’re familiar with everything that’s covered under the umbrella of sodomy but it encompasses even oral sex among heterosexual couples. If you’re trying to discount the opinion of anyone who’s ever engaged in oral sex there’s not going to be a whole lot of people left, and that group would probably be left is so bland and boring that no one would want to hang out with them or listen to what they have to say anyway.

alchemist19 on October 21, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Good grief. Do you always enjoy being embarrassed this badly?

blink on October 21, 2013 at 1:33 AM

So the problem is that you lack reading comprehension skills. That Obamacare would not be defunded was the predetermined ending. Lots of other things could happen along the way (government shutdown, hit the debt limit, etc.) but Obamacare was never ever going away.

alchemist19 on October 21, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Because it was the right bill to pass, Imbecile!

Imagine if the Democrats were saying this about Reid, “Why did Reid bother stripping out that language knowing that the House would never pass the bill without it?”

If Republicans had a reputation for standing firm, then this is the conversation that the surrender idiots on the other side would be having.

Instead, Republicans aren’t the stand firm party, so we have surrender idiots like you saying what you say.

blink on October 21, 2013 at 1:36 AM

I didn’t say the House bill wasn’t the right thing on principle but getting the right thing passed and signed into law wasn’t realistic, and the focus was on Cruz’s actions and the pointlessness of his fake filibuster.

If the House never passed the bill then he wouldn’t have had to put on his little dog and pony show to fool the low-thought process conservatives(TM) out there into thinking he actually doing something heroic. Cruz probably was begging for the House to pass the bill so he could get on a stage and do all the things that low-thought process conservatives love: talk about how much you hate Obamacare, talk about how the only thing you hate more than Obamacare is “the establishment”, and get in a fight with John McCain.

alchemist19 on October 21, 2013 at 4:39 PM

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