CBS: Grenade used in Mexican cartel shootout linked to ATF operation

posted at 8:41 am on October 18, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

It’s not Operation Fast and Furious, but another ATF operation that ended up doing nothing about weapons smuggling across the border. The ATF knew about Jean-Baptiste Kingery and tracked him for a long period of time, collecting “significant evidence” of his arms trafficking, including grenades. They didn’t prosecute him, though, and now at least one of the weapons linked to Kingery was used in a battle in Guadalajara between Mexican cartel members and the police — three of whom died.

CBS’ Sharyl Attkisson reports:

CBS News has learned of a shocking link between a deadly drug cartel shootout with Mexican police last week and a controversial case in the U.S. The link is one of the grenades used in the violent fight, which killed three policemen and four cartel members and was captured on video by residents in the area.

According to a Justice Department “Significant Incident Report” filed Tuesday and obtained by CBS News, evidence connects one of the grenades to Jean Baptiste Kingery, an alleged firearms trafficker U.S. officials allowed to operate for years without arresting despite significant evidence that he was moving massive amounts of grenade parts and ammunition to Mexico’s ruthless drug cartels.

The gun battle took place last week in Guadalajara. Authorities say five members of the Jalisco New Generation Cartel used at least nine firearms and ten hand grenades against Mexican police. If one of the grenades was supplied with the help of Kingery, as believed, it adds to the toll of lives taken with weapons trafficked by suspects U.S. officials watched but did not stop.

The Kingery case was overseen by the same Arizona U.S. Attorney and ATF office that let suspects traffic thousands of weapons to Mexican drug cartels in the operation dubbed Fast and Furious. The strategy was to try to get to the cartel kingpins, but it was halted after CBS News reported that Fast and Furious weapons were used by cartel thugs in the murder of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry on December 15, 2010. Weapons trafficked by other ATF suspects under surveillance were used two months later in the cartel murder of Immigration and Customs Agent Jaime Zapata in Mexico on February 15, 2011.

ATF tried telling Attkisson that they had no information on any connection between Kingery and the ordnance used in the fight. However, an ATF report explicitly notes the Kingery link to at least one of the grenades. The ATF had been aware since 2009 of Kingery’s trafficking in grenades, which had become the weapon of choice for the cartels at that time. Instead of seizing him at that time, the ATF deliberately chose to let him cross back into Mexico, over the objections of agents. Sound familiar?

Kingery’s luck ran out in 2011, though:

In 2011, Mexican authorities finally raided Kingery’s factory and arrested him — they say he confessed to teaching cartel members how to build grenades and convert semi-automatic weapons to automatic. The Justice Department has not provided an update on whether it’s trying to extradite Kingery to the U.S., and an ATF spokesman said on Wednesday that he doesn’t know the status of his case.

After the battle last week and the track record of the ATF and DoJ on Kingery, don’t expect the Mexican government to cooperate with any extradition effort. They’d prefer an actual prosecution, one would imagine.


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It seems that this regime will allow everyone else in the world to have whatever weapons they want except for American citizens.

rbj on October 18, 2013 at 8:45 AM

O B A M A

Murphy9 on October 18, 2013 at 8:46 AM

We should ban grenades.

And assault style grenades.

You don’t need 5 grenades to kill a deer!

Gatsu on October 18, 2013 at 8:48 AM

If we ever have control of Congress and the Presidency, one of our first acts should be to disband the ATF and bring the other agencies back in line with stated goals. This rogue harming of American allies and American citizens MUST STOP.

dominigan on October 18, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Can anyone think of a logical reason why we let this man leave the country knowing he was illegally smuggling explosive ordinance?

NotCoach on October 18, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Non story. What is important is how Bush caused the shutdown or the amazing success of the BOcare roll out. Now those are real stories. Not some made up racist crap from bloggers and the Tea Party.

Dr. Frank Enstine on October 18, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Nixon would have been lynched by now…

CPT. Charles on October 18, 2013 at 8:51 AM

If one of the grenades was supplied with the help of Kingery, as believed, it adds to the toll of lives taken with weapons trafficked by suspects U.S. officials watched but did not stop.

US officals = Holder

Facts are racist!

mankai on October 18, 2013 at 8:52 AM

You see, it was all Bush’s fault because Mexico was an ally during his tenure, and under the Team SCOAMT Doctrine, all allies of Dubya must be Fluked over.

Steve Eggleston on October 18, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Where’s Mark Kelley and Gabriel Giffords when you need them?

wheelgun on October 18, 2013 at 8:52 AM

You don’t need 5 grenades to kill a deer!

Gatsu on October 18, 2013 at 8:48 AM

I really think that depends of the grenades and the skill of the user. I’ll say that may be accurate if it were US grenades but those older style stick grenades like the Germans had were hard to throw accurately. My preferred deer hunting grenade would be the RPG. Accurate and you don’t have to butcher the deer. Just pull selected chunks off of surrounding trees.

Dr. Frank Enstine on October 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Dr. Frank Enstine on October 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Grenades are best used for corralling deer, so you may need several dozen, plus a reliable grenade launcher.

NotCoach on October 18, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Can anyone think of a logical reason why we let this man leave the country knowing he was illegally smuggling explosive ordinance?
NotCoach on October 18, 2013 at 8:51 AM

He was a BO voter?

I would think that the most likely cause would be to track him to others or to give him more rope to hang from. Maybe we don’t know the whole story yet. He could have been working with ATF in exchange for being supplied and left alone.

Dr. Frank Enstine on October 18, 2013 at 9:02 AM

I really think that depends of the grenades and the skill of the user. I’ll say that may be accurate if it were US grenades but those older style stick grenades like the Germans had were hard to throw accurately. My preferred deer hunting grenade would be the RPG. Accurate and you don’t have to butcher the deer. Just pull selected chunks off of surrounding trees.

Dr. Frank Enstine on October 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

As long as the RPG doesn’t have the shoulder thing that goes up that should be acceptable. What does RPG stand for again? Really Powerful Grenade?
-Carolyn McCarthy

Gatsu on October 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Can anyone think of a logical reason why we let this man leave the country knowing he was illegally smuggling explosive ordinance?

NotCoach

What’s his immigration status? If he’s an illegal, that would explain it.

xblade on October 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM

As long as the RPG doesn’t have the shoulder thing that goes up that should be acceptable. What does RPG stand for again? Really Powerful Grenade?
-Carolyn McCarthy

Gatsu on October 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

I just pray to God these assault grenades don’t have barrel shrouds, or bayonet lugs.

NotCoach on October 18, 2013 at 9:09 AM

The strategy was to try to get to the cartel kingpins, but it was halted after CBS News reported that Fast and Furious weapons were used by cartel thugs in the murder of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry on December 15, 2010.

Oh, so it is the fault of CBS? There you go. Just to be clear, this was the ATF/DOJ under Bush, right?

Cindy Munford on October 18, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Gatsu on October 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Rocket-propelled Grenade (РПГ: “ruchnoy protivotankovy granatomyot”), sorta.

Dr. Frank Enstine on October 18, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Piffle… the BATF never engages in dubious and illegal activity.

Right?

CPT. Charles on October 18, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Shane?

Tsar of Earth on October 18, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Can anyone think of a logical reason why we let this man leave the country knowing he was illegally smuggling explosive ordinance?

NotCoach on October 18, 2013 at 8:51 AM

More violence in Mexico that can be blamed on “lax U.S. gun laws”, so The One can demand we abolish the Second Amendment.

More illegal aliens who can be “amnestied” and become good Democrat voters.

More control of Mexico by the cartels resulting in more drugs flowing north across the border, leading to the administration “caving in” to the legalization crowd and letting everything from pot to heroin be sold like cigarettes (after they’ve banned those).

All of which makes the left love The One even more for making America what they think it should be.

Who knows, with the amnesty “activists” getting more radicalized (to the La Raza/Aztlaner level, from all indications), we may see the open demand that Mexico be allowed to “Reclaim The Stolen Territories” in the near future. Although once the left realizes that includes San Francisco, they may have second thoughts.

Meanwhile, The One will be choomin’ in the Oval Office, his feet up on the Resolution Desk, glorying in how he has brought real “hope and change” to America.

From his POV, what’s not to like?

clear ether

eon

eon on October 18, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Nixon would have been lynched by now…

CPT. Charles on October 18, 2013 at 8:51 AM

The crowd that would have done the lynching is now in power. They will not go away willingly.

Cleombrotus on October 18, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Where’s Mark Kelley and Gabriel Giffords when you need them?

wheelgun on October 18, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Still hanging out at gunshows…trying to by an AR-15 for poor Mark (which isn’t really for Mark, but…you know).

Solaratov on October 18, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Doesn’t Attkisson know stories like this serve no purpose other than to lower the morale at ATF?

VibrioCocci on October 18, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Why does Obama hate brown people?

Midas on October 18, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Doesn’t Attkisson know stories like this serve no purpose other than to lower the morale at ATF?

VibrioCocci on October 18, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Poor F-troop. Perhaps some team building exercises? Star trek videos? Taibo exercise with the agents of the ATF! Only $19.95 and a 4473 form filled out, please wait 6 months for background check approval and delivery.

oryguncon on October 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

At this point–What difference does it make!

rjoco1 on October 18, 2013 at 12:35 PM

I didn’t know the ATF also covered explosives. Shouldn’t it be ATFE? And let’s throw in teddy bears. They should also cover those.

John the Libertarian on October 18, 2013 at 12:36 PM

My comment puts the tally at 29. No Obama voters to be seen.
 
That’s amazing.

rogerb on October 18, 2013 at 12:43 PM

I levy constant attacks on the Obama Administration, as any honest reader of my comments here would agree. And in social media I’m significantly more critical of the President.
 
libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 1:26 PM

rogerb on October 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Perhaps you weren’t a member of the Bush/Cheney apology choir during the time they were actually (not hypothetically)subverting the constitution. Maybe you expressed your disgust at the legal reasoning of John Yoo. Maybe you weren’t out there making ‘ticking bomb’ arguments in support of torture. Maybe you were outraged by the NSA’s warrantless wiretapping.
 
But maybe, like so many here, you were a full throated cheerleader then?
 
verbaluce on March 7, 2013 at 5:54 PM

rogerb on October 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Hand.
 
Grenades.
 
These aren’t things sold at your local pawn shop slash gun store, (D)s.

rogerb on October 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

ATF intimidating their workers into not coming forward with wrong-doing. Change.

After months of anguished debate over mass shootings, gun control and Second Amendment rights, the Justice Department finds itself on the defensive after a training manual surfaced that suggests federal agents could face a firing squad for leaking government secrets.

A photo in the online manual for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — complete with a photo of a turn-of-the-century firing squad — was obtained by The Washington Times from a concerned federal law enforcement official, and it immediately drew protests from watchdogs who said it showed a lack of sensitivity to gun violence and the continuing hostile environment toward whistleblowers.

Justice Department officials said the photo was included as a joke and that they were unaware it was viewed as offensive by agents. They plan to remove the entry, but not until the government shutdown is ended and federal officials return to work, said Richard Marianos, the special agent in charge of the Washington division of ATF.

The photo was embedded in the annual Introduction to National Security Information online course for the ATF, the main federal law enforcement agency investigating gun violence and illegal gun trafficking.

I thought the adminstration was against gun violence? I guess if it comes from the government it isn’t violent, just humor. I think those reading it forgot to laugh.

So, they couldn’t remove one thing from a website because of the shutdown.? Riiiggghhtt.

Patriot Vet on October 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM