Former official: Admin refused to bring in outside help for ObamaCare website for fear GOP would subpoena them; Update: Ten-year-old technology? Update: No improvement in week two; Update: Wasn’t tested until days before launch?

posted at 4:41 pm on October 17, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Lachlan Markay and Ace, who calls it “Nixonian.” This is the rare Hot Air item that might actually make liberals angrier at the White House than conservatives. If you’d staked your party’s credibility on realizing the utopian dream of universal health care only to have Obama deliver this fartburger, you’d be furious. Why anyone on either side still wants Sebelius in charge, I have no idea.

Facing such intense opposition from congressional Republicans, the administration was in a bunker mentality as it built the enrollment system, one former administration official said. Officials feared that if they called on outsiders to help with the technical details of how to run a commerce website, those companies could be subpoenaed by Hill Republicans, the former aide said. So the task fell to trusted campaign tech experts.

Very important to understand: Between this and the fact that HHS deliberately hid the price of insurance behind a reg wall on Healthcare.gov to reduce “rate shock,” the grand takeaway about the website’s failure is that O and his team made it much worse than it needed to be because they were terrified of transparency. And the reason they were terrified of transparency, both in the case of hiding the cost of the premiums from web users and hiding the site’s architectural problems from contractors who might be hauled before Congress, is because they know they’ve delivered a bad product. Put the premiums on the front page and the public, expecting “affordable care,” would recoil at the truth. Put the contractors at the witness table before Issa’s committee and the public, expecting that the government would “fix” health care, would recoil upon discovering that they can’t even build a website with three years’ lead time.

I don’t know what’s more amazing, that they’d place their own political comfort above creating a smoother user experience for the uninsured or that they somehow didn’t realize that a botched rollout on October 1 would be far more embarrassing than contractors talking to Republicans under oath. Or … would it? What was HHS so worried that outside contractors would tell the GOP that they preferred to risk total chaos on the exchanges during launch month instead?

Apropos of nothing, Reuters is now reporting that the budget for the site exploded earlier this year as the Hopenchange brain trust realized they were way, way, way off course. And by “exploded,” I mean “tripled”:

How and why the system failed, and how long it will take to fix, remains unclear. But evidence of a last-minute surge in spending suggests the needs of the project were growing well beyond the initial expectations of the contractor and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

“Why this went from a ceiling of $93.7 million to $292 million is hard to fathom,” said Scott Amey, general counsel at the Project on Government Oversight, a Washington, D.C.-based watchdog group that analyzes government contracting.

“Something changed. It suggests they ran into problems and knew last spring that they couldn’t do it for $93.7 million. They just blew through the original ceiling. Where was the contract oversight?”…

The Obama administration was issuing regulations and changing policy regarding how the reform should be implemented late into this summer. Many required significant changes to the IT running Healthcare.gov, which kept contractors scrambling.

We’ll need congressional hearings to find out which regulations forced the IT team to scramble at the eleventh hour to rework the site, but this could be another example of the White House’s desire to hide the uglier parts of this boondoggle creating problems for the website architecture. Remember, it was only this past summer that HHS suddenly decided to eliminate income verification for subsidies for the first year. Applicants will be placed on the “honor system” in reporting their wages, which is basically an invitation to commit fraud — but which serves the end of making those subsidies nice and robust for anyone willing to lie, which encourages enrollment. Could be that they built the site with the income verification tech integrated and then had to tear it out quickly and haphazardly once HHS changed its mind, leading to bugs. Like I say, this is what congressional hearings are for.

Nancy Pelosi, by the way, thinks there’s no reason at all to delay ObamaCare if the exchanges are still a disaster come December, which also happens to be the deadline for enrollment if you want your coverage to begin in January. I’d be surprised if there’s a single manager anywhere in the insurance industry who agrees with her, given the Thunderdome-levels of chaos Glitchapalooza will be causing them next year if this persists much longer.

Update: Merry Christmas, Barack.

The federal health care exchange was built using 10-year-old technology that may require constant fixes and updates for the next six months and the eventual overhaul of the entire system, technology experts told USA TODAY…

Recent changes have made the exchanges easier to use, but they still require clearing the computer’s cache several times, stopping a pop-up blocker, talking to people via Web chat who suggest waiting until the server is not busy, opening links in new windows and clicking on every available possibility on a page in the hopes of not receiving an error message. With those changes, it took one hour to navigate the HealthCare.gov enrollment process Wednesday.

Those steps shouldn’t be necessary, experts said.

“I have never seen a website — in the last five years — require you to delete the cache in an effort to resolve errors,” said Dan Schuyler, a director at Leavitt Partners, a health care group by former Health and Human Services secretary Mike Leavitt. “This is a very early Web 1.0 type of fix.”

You’ll have to read the rest to find out how clearing your cache might actually cause new errors.

Update: Icing on the cake from health-industry consultant Bob Laszewski, who says the system’s scarcely improved after another week of frantic HHS triage:

At the end of week two of the Obamacare launch, health plans were generally seeing no more enrollments per day then they saw in the first week.

As troubling, the backroom issues plaguing the connection between health insurers and the federal government had not been resolved and there is no indication from the feds when they will have these things cleared up.

My sense is that the feds, based upon the number of enrollments they have sent to the insurance companies, enrolled about 10,000 people in the first week (about 5,000 single and family contracts) and another 10,000 people in the second week in the 36 states using the federal exchange.

I guesstimated that the feds were up to 95,000 or so enrollments in my earlier post, less than 20 percent of HHS’s target for October. Laszewski thinks even that number is wildly optimistic. If he’s right and they’re only at 20,000 enrollments total, they’re at less than five percent of their goal.

Update: No one’s getting fired, huh?

The root cause of the problems was a pivotal decision by Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services officials to act as systems integrator, the central coordinator for the entire program. Usually this role is reserved for the prime information technology contractor.

As a result, full testing of the site was delayed until four to six days before the fateful Oct. 1 launch of the health care exchanges, the individual said…

“Normally a system this size would need 4-6 months of testing and performance tuning, not 4-6 days,” the individual said.

The source said there were “ever-changing, conflicting and exceedingly late project directions. The actual system requirements for Oct. 1 were changing up until the week before,” the individual said.

How could they have done a worse job?


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So the task fell to trusted campaign tech experts.

wow.

that should be used with appropriate scorn and sarcasm now……

ted c on October 17, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Kansas is usually thought of as being among the reddest of the red. How did Sebelius get elected there?

Mark1971 on October 17, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Her old man was John Gilligan a flaming liberal who served one term as governor of Ohio in the early 1970s and was defeated in a bid for re-election. The people of Kansas elected “Horse Face” to a second term.

Sebelius and Pelosi went to the same college – Trinity if DC. It used to be a trendy upscale Catholic girls college, but now has a mostly minority enrollment.

bw222 on October 17, 2013 at 5:26 PM

And they blame the gop for the debt ceiling….. no wonder it had to be raised

cmsinaz on October 17, 2013 at 5:26 PM

That’s because they are doing much more than building a website with that money, which is why they are being so secretive.

Dusty on October 17, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Yep – exactly what I’m thinking – there’s no way they refused to use outside help for fear of being called in front the Hill – come on.

ChicagoBlue on October 17, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Crickets from the lsm on this
Quick immigration

cmsinaz on October 17, 2013 at 5:28 PM

The source said there were “ever-changing, conflicting and exceedingly late project directions.

LOL. Are we sure the source was talking about the plans for the Obamacare website and not the plans for the bombing of Syria?

Dusty on October 17, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Officials feared that if they called on outsiders to help with the technical details of how to run a commerce website, those companies could be subpoenaed by Hill Republicans, the former aide said. So the task fell to trusted campaign tech experts.

This may be also why they contracted parts of the website to Canadian and British companies, hoping that they would be beyond congressional subpoenas.

slickwillie2001 on October 17, 2013 at 5:30 PM

That site is just setting up to be a security nightmare like no other. There is no way I would enter my information into that site right now.

Big Orange on October 17, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Sounds like they had the Romney campaign IT people handle the Obamacare project! Maybe the competent people were reserved for the Obama campaign!

rjm319 on October 17, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Let’s see our trolls try to defend this.

22044 on October 17, 2013 at 4:47 PM

The Republicans stonewalled and did everything to try and stop Obamacare from passing, instead of getting on board with the effort and helping us write a better law! /delusional Democrat

djm1992 on October 17, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Heckuva Job, Kathy…..

ted c on October 17, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Ten year old technology.

Four to six months to fix.

Tripled the budget.

Five percent of estimates enrolled.

Income verification uses honor system.

Security challenged system.

Couldn’t use contractors for fear of congressional investigations.

Acorn navigators.

It just doesn’t get any better than this folks. Luckily it only concerns our health care. Say, remember when health care rights were so important we had to pass this baby in the middle of the night?

antipc on October 17, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Mika are you actually going to report this now or continue to badh gop/Cruz for the shutdown

cmsinaz on October 17, 2013 at 5:31 PM

This is the best thing to happen to conservatism since Ronald Reagan. This shows beyond a doubt that govt is inept and corrupt beyond belief. Liberalism, which is essentially statism, has now been shown for what it is-a train wreck.

Ta111 on October 17, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Wolfie still calling them glitches

cmsinaz on October 17, 2013 at 5:34 PM

That’s because they are doing much more than building a website with that money, which is why they are being so secretive.

Dusty on October 17, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Yep – exactly what I’m thinking – there’s no way they refused to use outside help for fear of being called in front the Hill – come on.

ChicagoBlue on October 17, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Good points. The ‘get registered to vote’ feature of the website is troubling. Maybe this is to be a part of the superpowerful and all-knowing information database that Maxine Waters hinted at. Maybe it will include hidden links to the Democratics GOTV programs.

slickwillie2001 on October 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Will refrain from opining on this until the esteemed bayam checks in.

This morning I talked to someone who successfully signed up for Obamacare — with great difficulty, but she did succeed in the end. Since New Jersey is one of the states that defaulted to a fed-run exchange, this shows that people are starting to trickle through. I know, one example — but the plural of anecdote is data.

Oh, and she was very happy with the low cost.

Obviously they messed up the programming big time, which is kind of a shock. But this will get fixed, and Republicans believing that they’re going to be able to run against the program a year from now are going to do about as well as they did in believing that they could use a shutdown to defund the program.

Paul Krugman, 10/13/2013

Del Dolemonte on October 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Debt ceiling will need to be raised again to pay for obamacare bills

cmsinaz on October 17, 2013 at 5:36 PM

that should be used with appropriate scorn and sarcasm now……

[ted c on October 17, 2013 at 5:25 PM]

Heck, the campaign tech experts weren’t all that involved. They just tossed out the idea of a voter registration add-on as a distraction when someone asked them why they were messing with the IRS’ income tax servers.

Dusty on October 17, 2013 at 5:36 PM

I don’t know what’s more amazing, that they’d place their own political comfort above creating a smoother user experience for the uninsured …

After this administrations actions during the shutdown to deliberately inconvenience as much of the public as possible, I don’t find this amazing in the least.

Socratease on October 17, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Let’s see our trolls try to defend this.

22044 on October 17, 2013 at 4:47 PM

The Republicans stonewalled and did everything to try and stop Obamacare from passing, instead of getting on board with the effort and helping us write a better law! /delusional Dem

djm1992 on October 17, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Hi, I’m Nancy Pelosi. Let me handle ALL of your health care needs! Trust me!

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GarandFan on October 17, 2013 at 5:39 PM

What they are building with that website is an eternal voting and democrat propaganda machine! All roads lead to single payer anyway…can anyone say Ugo Chavez!

justonevictory on October 17, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Ten year old technology.

Four to six months to fix.

Tripled the budget.

Five percent of estimates enrolled.

Income verification uses honor system.

Security challenged system.

Couldn’t use contractors for fear of congressional investigations.

Acorn navigators.

It just doesn’t get any better than this folks. Luckily it only concerns our health care. Say, remember when health care rights were so important we had to pass this baby in the middle of the night?

antipc on October 17, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Single payor will make all of this go away…. right?

It’s the government after all…Obama’s government. Of course they can perform more effectively and more efficiently than the private sector…. right?

My fear is that the nimrods who oversaw the implementation are also going to be the nimrods supporting the (non-existent) death panels making healthcare decisions. After all, it wasn’t that big of a deal in France when several hundred thousand elderly died in France’s hospitals during a 2 week heat wave….look at the ongoing care costs the French government saved.

Athos on October 17, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Then there’s this little copyright detail as well:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-website-violates-licensing-agreement-copyrighted-software_763666.html

tennesseejed on October 17, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Evidence of a last-minute surge in spending suggests the needs of the project were growing well beyond the initial expectations of the contractor and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

See: Brook’s Law

Incompetence at all levels of administration. And the worst part of it is: This is exactly what most people expected we’d get from a chief administrator with not administrative experience.

Socratease on October 17, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Does not matter…remember the Obama quote:
“I won”.

Now that the government shutdown drama is over the media will totally ignore ObamaCare problems.

albill on October 17, 2013 at 5:42 PM

You go to war with the website you’ve got….

can_con on October 17, 2013 at 5:43 PM

I at least hope Sebelius loses her job over this. I can’t stand looking at the pinch faced scold.

Dack Thrombosis on October 17, 2013 at 5:45 PM

If one wanted to go back and check any ObamaCare whines by the media were used only to take away headlines from covering any government shutdown problems the Democrats and Obama were perceived to be having at the time.

Every major problem with the administration has two things in common:
1. Media ignores it.
2. Republicans try to do something about it and flail themselves into oblivion.
Any one ever seen Issa and all his investigations ever come to a conclusion?

albill on October 17, 2013 at 5:45 PM

The money is going somewhere else. The cost tripled, and it has been stolen. The website is just a faux veneer to show that “something” was being done.

Lipstick on a pig.

ted c on October 17, 2013 at 5:46 PM

How could they have done a worse job?

Have the National Park Service do it?

Another Drew on October 17, 2013 at 5:47 PM

This isn’t your average train wreck folks.

This is a high speed passenger train meeting head on with a fully loaded freight train in the middle of an abortion clinic.

antipc on October 17, 2013 at 5:47 PM

but hey….they meant well yaknow…/

ted c on October 17, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Why anyone on either side still wants Sebelius in charge, I have no idea.

No one has lost their job in this administration, and there have been many who certainly deserved to. Some have retired, with full pension and benefits, but I can’t think of anyone who’s been fired. Not in the DOJ, SOS, IRS, ATF, NSA, nope, none.

scalleywag on October 17, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Lipstick on a pig.

ted c on October 17, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Ketchup on a sh*tburger an Obama-burger. It’s ‘free’!

Athos on October 17, 2013 at 5:49 PM

I wonder what the enrollment deadline is for coverage that starts NEVER?

Another Drew on October 17, 2013 at 5:49 PM

How could they have done a worse job?

By continuing to to try to change the tires on a moving car. Admit you have problems, reassess, redesign, code, test, repeat.

I still think Obamacare is a huge mistake, but at least get your software development straitened out.

Sheesh.

EA_MAN on October 17, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Can’t wait to see the mess they’ll make of immigration reform.

scalleywag on October 17, 2013 at 5:50 PM

This isn’t your average train wreck folks.

This is a high speed passenger train meeting head on with a fully loaded freight train in the middle of an abortion clinic.

antipc on October 17, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Women and minorities hardest hit.

Athos on October 17, 2013 at 5:51 PM

The money is going somewhere else. The cost tripled, and it has been stolen. The website is just a faux veneer to show that “something” was being done.

Lipstick on a pig.

ted c on October 17, 2013 at 5:46 PM

This; or is being spent on something else below the surface to make this much more than it seems at face value.

Midas on October 17, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Sebelius will not be fired for the same reason Holder will never be fired. To fire either of them would be to validate Republican criticism. If they are fired there was a real scandal, if they are not fired the MSM can continue to claim its all partisan bickering. Just as Fast and Furious was written off, so can the Obamacare website “glitches” be written off as long as no one loses their head.

Fred 2 on October 17, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Does not matter…remember the Obama quote:
“I won”.

Now that the government shutdown drama is over the media will totally ignore ObamaCare problems.

albill on October 17, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Will the 10′s of millions adversely affected ignore it?

rob verdi on October 17, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Update: Wasn’t tested until days before launch?

Now that you mention it, the shuttering of NASA maybe was kind of a good thing…… these fools can’t seem to get websites off the ground and it’d be sad to see what they’d do with rockets.

/launches

ted c on October 17, 2013 at 5:55 PM

I at least hope Sebelius loses her job over this. I can’t stand looking at the pinch faced scold.

Dack Thrombosis on October 17, 2013 at 5:45 PM

She doesn’t get much fiber in her diet.

oldroy on October 17, 2013 at 5:55 PM

The federal health care exchange was built using 10-year-old technology that may require constant fixes and updates for the next six months

Perfect for a bunch of union goons. A Byzantine nightmare for the rest of us to wade through.

ted c on October 17, 2013 at 5:57 PM

The federal health care exchange was built using 10-year-old technology that may require constant fixes and updates for the next six months

The System..…is working.

ted c on October 17, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Always easy to pick apart someone else’s proposals especially when you don’t have one to counter with. The GOP continues becoming more irrelevant as the days go by.

Where is the GOP health care plan? Outside of free market and across state lines. I am willing to listen to their concerns when I see a credible plan.

loveofcountry on October 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Is it wrong to be laughing cause I kinda am.

gophergirl on October 17, 2013 at 5:59 PM

I bet there are thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands, of competent web development contractors out there who could have put this thing together, tested it over and over again until it was perfect, launched it without a single glitch, AND done it within the budget and the established time frame. This is beyond incompetence.

scalleywag on October 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM

gophergirl on October 17, 2013 at 5:59 PM

right there with you
*passing popcorn*

cmsinaz on October 17, 2013 at 6:03 PM

loveofcountry on October 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Eat your crap sandwich.

Resist We Much on October 17, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Government run anything is a zoo…Our government is bloated and corrupt and the Progs want more of the same.

d1carter on October 17, 2013 at 6:04 PM

loveofcountry on October 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Predictable. It’s like you didn’t know that they weren’t allowed to speak at the table when Obama the most High was presenting his plan. The plan should be: Get the Government the Hell Out of the Way. The Government strangles yet another industry on purpose, and then says “look, it’s not working”, and the Response in dozens of proposals is tort reform, competition across state lines, free market mechanisms. Yet because you little pea brain can’t admit that every time anything is proposed, it never was proposed because you didn’t like it.

Do you remember Obama telling the Republicans they weren’t allowed to present their proposals? You could google it you fool, but you won’t you scum-sucking trash-picking trool.

oldroy on October 17, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Update: Obamacare Website Violates Licensing Agreement for Copyrighted Software

Socratease on October 17, 2013 at 5:53 PM

The gift that keeps giving. Almost Trojan Horse like.

I see a credible plan.

loveofcountry on October 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Where is yours?

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 17, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Wow. Someone’s going to get promoted for this.

ghostwalker1 on October 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Always easy to pick apart someone else’s proposals especially when you don’t have one to counter with.

loveofcountry on October 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM

We’re past the proposal stage.

You own this clusterfvck now.

Resist We Much on October 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM

loveofcountry ..Yes I will say it. Hitler would love you. Fcking bootlicker. Eat shite .

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Is it wrong to be laughing cause I kinda am.

gophergirl on October 17, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Laughter is, after all, the best medicine.

oldroy on October 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM

LOVEofnastycuntry:

Not that you really care.

http://www.gop.gov/indepth/pledge/healthcare

Oh and in case you missed it fkcy you toady.

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM

‘[W]e’re not campaigning anymore. The election’s over.’

- President Barack Obama to Senator John McCain concerning Error404Care, 25 February 2010

Resist We Much on October 17, 2013 at 6:07 PM

I wonder when Preezy starts with the “it’s not my fault” routine.

oldroy on October 17, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Is anyone surprised? The democrats had to pass the bill in order to find out what’s in it and go live with a website in order to find out what’s wrong with it.

monalisa on October 17, 2013 at 6:08 PM

loveofcountry on October 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Eat your crap sandwich.

Resist We Much on October 17, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Like the good little boy it is loveofcontrol cannot bring itself that this has been a joke of the highest magnitude.

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 17, 2013 at 6:08 PM

* to admit

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 17, 2013 at 6:09 PM

right there with you
*passing popcorn*

cmsinaz on October 17, 2013 at 6:03 PM

After his little “nah nah a boo boo I won” statement today – I will enjoy the implosion of this thing even more if that’s possible. Every last second of it.

gophergirl on October 17, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Where is the GOP health care plan? Outside of free market and across state lines. I am willing to listen to their concerns when I see a credible plan.

loveofcountry on October 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Where were you in 2009? The GOP presented multiple proposals for health care, I’m not going to google it for you, but they’re out there if you want to look past your liberal agenda. And you can also google “GOP shut out of health care negotiations 2009″ and oh yea, remember the CSPAN live coverage that was promised? Right. They met behind closed doors. The president himself said he could have done a better job in that respect.

scalleywag on October 17, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Laughter is, after all, the best medicine.

oldroy on October 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM

The crow sandwich will be so tasty.

gophergirl on October 17, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Applicants will be placed on the “honor system” in reporting their wages, which is basically an invitation to commit fraud

Huh? But it worked so well for that Walmart that started accepting EBT cards when the EBT system was down….

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 17, 2013 at 6:12 PM

This all sounds like a typical federal computer program. Everyone keeps inputting their two cents until the last minute. The programmers then come under immense pressure to simply get it done. They do the best that can but use undocumented short-cuts in a desparate effort to come in on time. The final program crashes in flames and a new group is brought in to fix things. And surprise, surprise they haven’t the slightest idea what was done. How could they when many late changes were strictly tape and string affairs without documentation. Of course, after a few years most of these things are straighten out but the system is always glitchy as undocumented program changes are always popping up. Of course, the latest group of programmers at Obamacre are probably under even greater time pressure these days so things are actually getting worse, not better.

Fred 2 on October 17, 2013 at 6:12 PM

loveofcountry on October 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Where were you in 2009? The GOP presented multiple proposals for health care,
scalleywag on October 17, 2013 at 6:11 PM

The troll is more than willing to lie. Dishonest is the crutch of the leftist troll.

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 17, 2013 at 6:13 PM

loveofcountry on October 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Hmm, disqualifying use of the ‘free market’ or an open insurance market as ‘credible’ is not a very credible way to start any debate – particularly without offering a cogent and valid argument why a free and open (geographically) market to encourage competitive pricing isn’t a credible step.

The 112th Congress House of Representatives did pass H.R. 2 which included 5 steps to address needed healthcare reform without putting 1/6th of the national economy under federal government control.

While it included, by your definition, uncredible programs like ending geographic restrictions on the sale of health insurance policies, they also included steps to expand the use and advantages of health savings accounts and addressing one of the biggest drivers of soaring costs – medical liability reform.

Far less ‘comprehensive’ than a government takeover, but then it’s designed to fix something that’s broken, not expand government power and redistribute wealth.

Athos on October 17, 2013 at 6:13 PM

Hi, I’m the government and I want to sell you some health insurance. I’m going to hide the most important information you’ll need to see to make a decision (COST), and I’m going to make it the most difficult site to maneuver through you could ever imagine in your worst nightmares. And even though nothing is going to work properly for months and maybe even years, you’re still liable to be insured by the deadline. How do you like me now? I won!

scalleywag on October 17, 2013 at 6:16 PM

loveofcountry on October 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM

If you love this country so much, why do you and your proggie pals vote for the likes of Hussein and then not hold him responsible for the crimes he’s committed (notice I didn’t say mistakes). The very people you claim you want to help are the people who will be damaged the most. Instead you attack the GOP who had zero input into this Orwellian disaster.

antipc on October 17, 2013 at 6:17 PM

I personally can’t wait for the class action suit to have the “tax” on failure to enroll declared invalid on the grounds that the inability to enroll made enrollment impossible or unattainable.

Pass the popcorn.

TXUS on October 17, 2013 at 6:21 PM

10 year old technology, yes. It is built on Struts. No one uses that these days.

munseym on October 17, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Always easy to pick apart someone else’s proposals especially when you don’t have one to counter with. The GOP continues becoming more irrelevant as the days go by.

Where is the GOP health care plan? Outside of free market and across state lines. I am willing to listen to their concerns when I see a credible plan.

loveofcountry on October 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM

It’s filed right next to the GOP plan to control the fashion industry and the GOP plan to control the energy industry.

Central planning fails yet again, and your response is to demand the GOP give you a better approach to central planning or shut up.

You won’t get the GOP plan, because trying to come up with a central plan is the wrong move. Allow free competition, get rid of the government barriers to free competition, allow people to choose their own plans rather than 30-year-old males having to buy a Cadillac plan they don’t need and can’t afford, while requiring 60-year-old couples to pay premiums for maternity care and contraceptives.

The role for government at this point is to get government out of the way.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 17, 2013 at 6:24 PM

The money is going somewhere else. The cost tripled, and it has been stolen. The website is just a faux veneer to show that “something” was being done.

Lipstick on a pig.

ted c on October 17, 2013 at 5:46 PM

I have no doubt about that. The ease with which people in the Administration can escape accountability for what can easily be sold as mere incompetence, or worse, administrative policy with regard to duly enacted laws and programs, while waiving rules on contracting/consulting and touting bureaucratic discretion with no effective oversight on spending guarantees that money is being stolen hand over fist.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the thefts frequently rise to 100% of the underlying legitimate subject dole-outs used to cover the crimes. There’s just too much money and too many transactions and to much of an attitude that a billion or two or ten is a nickle and dime approach to governing and not worth getting all hot and bothered about.

Dusty on October 17, 2013 at 6:25 PM

You guys are all wrong. That wasn’t voter registration they set the site up for, it was vote registration.

This way every person who signs up has their vote auto-filled in every election from now on.

bigbeachbird on October 17, 2013 at 6:25 PM

TXUS on October 17, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Exactly, I don’t know how they expect people to sign up for the crap sandwich if they can’t get on. I love how they find the ones who kept trying for days and waited for hours online and on the phone. Who the heck has the time to do that? And how can they penalize someone who doesn’t? There is going to be a huge outcry when they start taxing people for not applying to a system they can’t even sign into.

BeachBum on October 17, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Oops. Hit send too soon.

About that idea of putting people on the “honor system” for wage reporting; that worked out real well for the Wal Mart stores that put EBT customers on the “honor system” for spending their benfits, didn’t it?

bigbeachbird on October 17, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Yeh the troll trolled ….nothing more.

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 17, 2013 at 6:32 PM

If you love this country so much, why do you and your proggie pals vote for the likes of Hussein and then not hold him responsible for the crimes he’s committed (notice I didn’t say mistakes). The very people you claim you want to help are the people who will be damaged the most. Instead you attack the GOP who had zero input into this Orwellian disaster.

antipc on October 17, 2013 at 6:17 PM

You said that well!

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 17, 2013 at 6:38 PM

This is just like the bill itself. Remember that nobody had time to read the bill before they voted on it. Nancy Pelosi said they had to pass the bill in order to find out what was in the bill. The same mentality is at work with the web site. Nobody had the time to test and debug the site. They had to put it into operation in order to find out what was in it.

Ordinary American on October 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Ha, very true, you’ve got about 15 years on me but I too have sat across from executives making decisions on software who can’t even turn on their computer. There’s a reason I’ve turned down jobs working in the public sector.

nextgen_repub on October 17, 2013 at 5:03 PM

My Hubs worked in IT in the public sector for 15 years- he had to get out because the higher up always thought they were the smartest people in the room, and would demand that he come up with magical IT solutions that took no time and no money. And because he is excellent at his job, and being conservative, a hard worker, he made things look easy, so they assumed it was easy! After all, he was just an IT worker, how hard could his job be? When Obamacare rolled out, it so reminded me of this. Obama demanded they come up with a magical website, changed his mind every 15 minutes, and now all the blame will be put on the poor IT people who probably didn’t see much of the billions it will cost in their paychecks. So glad Hubs is working for the private sector now, for awesome conservative manufacturing guys that appreciate him when the servers never ever go down.

Kristamatic on October 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM

It would be more like Nixonian without the competence. So more like Kennedian or Johnsonian.

oldroy on October 17, 2013 at 6:40 PM

gophergirl on October 17, 2013 at 6:11 PM

without a doubt :)

cmsinaz on October 17, 2013 at 6:41 PM

loveofcountry, I need your input on something, please.

 

“So that’s why the individual mandate’s important,” Obama explained in a speech on Aug. 15, 2011.
 
“Because the basic theory is, look, everybody here at some point or another is going to need medical care, and you can’t be a free-rider on everybody else,” said Obama…
 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=14952502&sid=77&cid=77

 

The tax/fine on a person making $43K who doesn’t want or can’t afford insurance will only equal about $860 (vs. thousands in premiums and deductibles), and $860 will barely cover any actual medical procedure.
 
Hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay.
 
Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please.

rogerb on October 17, 2013 at 6:43 PM

ON TOPIC: Today in Chicago at the annual Edison Talks event (brainchild of Brad Keywell, pirate founder of the worthless Groupon), one of the speakers was Capricia Marshall, former Chief Protocol Officer for the OBozo/Hildegard State Department.

I walked out as she was announced but her disjointed, mindless shrieking was piped throughout the building – nowhere to hide. At one point during the awful speech, she breathlessly described Hellary’s brilliant initiative … “Smart Power!” … nnd what a game-changing stoke of genius it was.

I busted out laughing as I thought about OBozo’s unbroken string of stupidity and incompetence. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Jaibones on October 17, 2013 at 6:43 PM

How could they have done a worse job?

Have the National Park Service do it?

Another Drew on October 17, 2013 at 5:47 PM

TSA?

Wethal on October 17, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Why anyone on either side still wants Sebelius in charge, I have no idea.

Because she knows where the bodies are buried! If they were worried about subpenas, they were doing something illegal!

Yes, they were using it for voter reg or votes per se or keeping track of individuals. They had something evil going on, that’s for sure.

PattyJ on October 17, 2013 at 6:45 PM

As someone who’s been in the web development business for over 16 years, I am appalled at the Obamacare mess. But not surprised. Government, any government, is notorious for giving bad and ever changing requirements. Unless you have a very strong management team, and someone on the government side who actually knows how to run an IT project, you are doomed to fail.

Common Sense on October 17, 2013 at 6:45 PM

The root cause of the problems was a pivotal decision by Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services officials to act as systems integrator, the central coordinator for the entire program. Usually this role is reserved for the prime information technology contractor.

As suspected, the root problem is that the project management was directed by politics and not best practices. Even taking an off the shelf SAP ERP is a massive undertaking. Every Change Request (CR) has to be evaluated based on cost benefit to customize a script or use a workaround and if tailoring is order you need an estimate of manhours to do it, test and push to production. BAH & CGI are not to blame as they can only produce what they are instructed to do and when. An when a decision is made to change functionality, whatever has been coded already is time and money wasted.

Issa needs to subpoena MMS, but we know how that will play out, the liars will get promoted and nobody goes to jail.

AH_C on October 17, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Always easy to pick apart someone else’s proposals especially when you don’t have one to counter with. The GOP continues becoming more irrelevant as the days go by.

Where is the GOP health care plan? Outside of free market and across state lines. I am willing to listen to their concerns when I see a credible plan.

dissent_isn’t_patriotic on October 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Choke on your plan.

Del Dolemonte on October 17, 2013 at 6:50 PM

RogerB the troll performed its act of flatulence and fled. It is as dumb as dumb gets.

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 17, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Choke on your plan.

Del Dolemonte on October 17, 2013 at 6:50 PM

A+ and +1.

oldroy on October 17, 2013 at 6:54 PM

RogerB the troll performed its act of flatulence and fled. It is as dumb as dumb gets.
 
CWchangedhisNicagain on October 17, 2013 at 6:50 PM

 
Yeah, but it’s more about getting every single (D) here on record as having no answer for such a simple question and arguably, per President Obama, one of the main reasons the law exists.

rogerb on October 17, 2013 at 6:55 PM

sebelius is a baby killer and just another incompetent misfit in an administration full of misfits and being led (sarc) by an incompetant misfit.

crosshugger on October 17, 2013 at 6:55 PM

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