Ted Cruz: No, I won’t hold up the Senate bill to end the shutdown

posted at 2:41 pm on October 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

Remember, Senate rules require 30 hours of debate on a bill unless all 100 members consent to waiving them. If Cruz (or Lee or Rand Paul) withheld his consent, boom — we hit the debt ceiling tomorrow and the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man appears in the streets of New York to wreak havoc. Would Cruz, true to his “don’t blink” ethos, hold out to the bitter end? I thought there was a 99 percent chance that he wouldn’t, but man oh man, that one percent. Joshua Green imagines:

You may be thinking to yourself, “Why on earth would he keep this up?!” The answer is simple: Cruz seeks to be the purest conservative in the 2016 field, and fighting the good fight till the bitter end would lend a romantic flourish to his C.V., at least in the eyes of the Tea Party types who vote faithfully in GOP primaries. It’s no accident that he won last weekend’s Value Voters Summit Presidential Straw Poll going away. Cruz also needs to be able to explain away the humiliating debacle of the Republican collapse he precipitated, and here, too, fighting on would probably help him. In my talks with Cruz allies over the last couple of days, a clear theme emerged: Republicans were losing because those RINOs in the Senate wouldn’t man up and fight. To pin this defeat on others, Cruz will have to do everything he can to heighten this distinction.

The problem with that theory is that GOP nominee Ted Cruz, having swept to victory on the backs of his tea-party supporters, would then need to figure out how to win a general election, and being known as the guy who singlehandedly forced a technical default when literally everyone else was ready to proceed would be … unhelpful to that effort. Plus, like it or not, Cruz will need to build bridges with wealthy Republican donors before 2016, at least to the point where they’re not clamoring to fund someone who can stop him. (Although maybe that’s inevitable.) Making sure that he doesn’t tank the market to make a rhetorical point when there’s now zero chance of achieving any major ObamaCare concessions is a prerequisite. Besides, hasn’t he already positioned himself as “the purest conservative in the 2016 field” after all this? The policy goal of defunding O-Care was always quixotic but the political benefits of pounding the table against the law, staging a 21-hour speech against it, and backing the first major government shutdown in nearly 20 years to protest it are obvious. Whether he’s now the “purest” conservative in the field, he’s certainly the most famously populist conservative. Which, I think, was his main goal on the political side of this. Raising awareness about ObamaCare’s defects was important and salutary, but re-framing the RINO/conservative divide as more of an elitist/populist divide (as he does in the clip below) is what will define his personal brand.

One question, though. Does Cruz’s refusal to delay the vote mean that he too thinks hitting the debt ceiling would be a very bad (even catastrophic) thing? If not then he has nothing to lose by delaying another day or two; it would, as Green says, show his willingness to fight the good fight until the bitter end. But if it’s true that he fears hitting the ceiling, he’s in the unusual position of being on the wrong side of tea-party opinion:

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A clear majority — 52 percent — of those who agree with the tea party say it’s unnecessary to raise the debt limit at all. Something to bear in mind if/when Boehner ends up stepping down before the midterms and the caucus is forced to decide whether to elect a centrist or conservative as his successor.

Exit question: Is this good for Rand Paul or bad?

Righties might not like it, but moderate conservatives who think Christie’s too squishy and Cruz too extreme will like it a lot.



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The crusty old McRinos & slime trail Peter Kings have too many corrupt old the guard on their side. Some in DC & what have they done for the people. There’s no such thing as a poor retired politician, but come 2014 there will be plenty of ex-politician.

RdLake on October 16, 2013 at 5:23 PM

People like you make me resent the GOPe with a seething passion.

Myron Falwell on October 16, 2013 at 5:19 PM

You need to get a life, little boy.

Basilsbest on October 16, 2013 at 5:23 PM

You need to get a life, little boy.

Basilsbest on October 16, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Why don’t you get a brain first? Oh wait, you’re just a worthless MittBott day to parrot out any information and call those who don’t agree with your propaganda as ‘stupid’ and ‘worthless.’

Never mind. I’d be better off getting water out of a pile of quartz.

Myron Falwell on October 16, 2013 at 5:27 PM

You are not the arbiter of conservatism.

It is arguably a conservative view to prefer a smaller fire now to a much bigger and far more destructive fire later.

Make no mistake, if we don’t stop spending money we don’t have and may very well never have, we risk far more than the consequences of a shut down now.

novaculus on October 16, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Perhaps it is just a matter of definition, then.

I don’t think the mindset or tactics of the Burn it Down crowd can be considered Conservative in the Traditional or Burkean sense.

Maybe we can call it Progressive Conservatism… or Populist Conservatism.

RightWay79 on October 16, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Bob Beckel joins Alan Colmes and Wolf Blitzer: ‘Delay Obamacare for one year.’

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 5:31 PM

We are speaking of the intractability of those bad ol’ tea partiers, who in my estimation have only just begun to fight. They drink from the same spring of liberty from which you profess to imbibe. They are unruly and very opposed to the Established Order of Things. They are your brothers. The question Burke posed in a parallel situation was: what are you going to do about them? Call them names, whip them back into line? Suppress them utterly?

As happened over 200 years ago, and as Burke warned then, the attempts will utterly fail.

de rigueur on October 16, 2013 at 5:14 PM

I’m not talking about the original (2010ish) Tea Party types. But rather, the destructive mindset that recently has been hiding beneath the tea party banner.

Heck… back in 2010 I was making youtube videos with the drum and fife piping in the background, updating the Declaration of Independence, rewriting Common Sense (before Glen Beck stole my thunder), etc…

I’ve nothing against conservative “activism” such as it is. And if you go back and look at my wordpress postings, you will see me slamming Obama with reckless abandon.
I just think that some in the Tea Party movement are strating to turn a dangerous and destructive corner.

RightWay79 on October 16, 2013 at 5:36 PM

I just think that some in the Tea Party movement are strating to turn a dangerous and destructive corner.

RightWay79 on October 16, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Expand, please.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Yeah it is DEFINITELY Cruz who is splitting the GOP down the middle..

The message from Boehner and majority leader Eric Cantor was unity, with warnings not to point fingers of blame.

“Everyone in this room ran on the Republican ticket,” Cantor told colleagues.

“We all agree Obamacare is an abomination. We all agree taxes are too high. We all agree spending is too high. We all agree Washington is getting in the way of job growth. We all agree we have a real debt crisis that will cripple future generations. We all agree on these fundamental conservative principles. . . . We must not confuse tactics with principles. The differences between us are dwarfed by the differences we have with the Democratic party, and we can do more for the American people united,” he told them.

Walking out of the meeting to the throng of reporters, the conservatives kept to that script, but the moderates drew their knives out for the Right.

Representative Peter King of New York urged more Republican officials to speak up about Senator Ted Cruz and “condemn him for what he did.”

Representative Aaron Schock of Illinois said the lesson of the episode was that Boehner should cut out the far-right flank and work with centrist Democrats.

melle1228 on October 16, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Expand, please.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Adopting Alyinsky tactics.
Abandoning Traditional Conservatism in favor of libertarianism.
Making enemies out of friends.

And more…
But… I’ve got to head home now.
(For real… not just a cop-out)

;-)

RightWay79 on October 16, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Representative Peter King of New York urged more Republican officials to speak up about Senator Ted Cruz and “condemn him for what he did.”

First, let Republican officials condemn Peter King for his provision of material support to a terrorist organisation, the IRA, and, for starters, demand that he apologise to the families of Jonathan Ball, 3, and Tim Parry, 12, who were murdered by his friends.

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 5:45 PM

RightWay79 on October 16, 2013 at 5:44 PM

To bad because I still need specifics. What you wrote is nothing.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 5:50 PM

The message from Boehner and majority leader Eric Cantor was unity, with warnings not to point fingers of blame.

“Everyone in this room ran on the Republican ticket,” Cantor told colleagues.

“We all agree Obamacare is an abomination. We all agree taxes are too high. We all agree spending is too high. We all agree Washington is getting in the way of job growth. We all agree we have a real debt crisis that will cripple future generations. We all agree on these fundamental conservative principles. . . . We must not confuse tactics with principles. The differences between us are dwarfed by the differences we have with the Democratic party, and we can do more for the American people united,” he told them.

Walking out of the meeting to the throng of reporters, the conservatives kept to that script, but the moderates drew their knives out for the Right.

Representative Peter King of New York urged more Republican officials to speak up about Senator Ted Cruz and “condemn him for what he did.”

Representative Aaron Schock of Illinois said the lesson of the episode was that Boehner should cut out the far-right flank and work with centrist Democrats.

Good. We all know who to primary and/or defeat. Invest in campaigns for primary challengers or for Democrat opponents. We need to purge these Socialists from Congress in any way whatsoever.

Myron Falwell on October 16, 2013 at 5:52 PM

I don’t think the mindset or tactics of the Burn it Down crowd can be considered Conservative in the Traditional or Burkean sense.

Maybe we can call it Progressive Conservatism… or Populist Conservatism.

RightWay79 on October 16, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Burke was good deal more understanding and pragmatic about the mindset and tactics of firebrands in a fight for liberty than you give him credit. As already cited above, he fairly seethes with contempt for those who wished to suppress the American Revolution:

I do not mean to commend either the spirit [of liberty] in this excess, or the moral causes which produce it. Perhaps a more smooth and accommodating spirit of freedom in them would be more acceptable to us. Perhaps ideas of liberty might be desired, more reconcilable with an arbitrary and boundless authority. Perhaps we might wish the colonists to be persuaded, that their liberty is more secure when held in trust for them by us (as their guardians during a perpetual minority) than with any part of it in their own hands.

Call it “Burkean irony,” if you will. And here is the Burkean pragmatism:

The question is, not whether their spirit deserves praise or blame, but–what, in the name of God, shall we do with it? You have before you the object, such as it is, with all its glories, with all its imperfections on its head. You see the magnitude; the importance; the temper; the habits; the disorders. By all these considerations we are strongly urged to determine something concerning it. We are called upon to fix some rule and line for our future conduct, which may give a little stability to our politics, and prevent the return of such unhappy deliberations as the present. Every such return will bring the matter before us in a still more untractable form.

In fact, in approving of their ends, Burke implicitly agreed with the mindset and tactics of the American revolutionaries (which, let us not understate or forget, was a violent revolution, pitting army against army, gu3rrillas against armies, to overthrow the authority of the British Crown):

Pursuing the same plan of punishing by the denial of the exercise of government to still greater lengths, we wholly abrogated the ancient government of Massachusetts. We were confident that the first feeling, if not the very prospect of anarchy, would instantly enforce a complete submission. The experiment was tried. A new, strange, unexpected face of things appeared. Anarchy is found tolerable. A vast province has now subsisted, and subsisted in a considerable degree of health and vigour, for near a twelvemonth, without governor, without public council, without judges, without executive magistrates. How long it will continue in this state, or what may arise out of this unheard-of situation, how can the wisest of us conjecture? Our late experience has taught us that many of those fundamental principles, formerly believed infallible, are either not of the importance they were imagined to be; or that we have not at all adverted to some other far more important and far more powerful principles, which entirely overrule those we had considered as omnipotent. I am much against any further experiments…

This is as much Burkean conservatism as his Reflections on the Revolution in France. He concluded:

For, in order to prove that the Americans have no right to their liberties, we are every day endeavouring to subvert the maxims which preserve the whole spirit of our own. To prove that the Americans ought not to be free, we are obliged to depreciate the value of freedom itself; and we never seem to gain a paltry advantage over them in debate, without attacking some of those principles, or deriding some of those feelings, for which our ancestors have shed their blood.

Burke’s first concern was liberty, then conserving “order”– but only so far as the established order preserved liberty. When it did not, you got his Speech on Conciliation with the Colonies and Reflections on the Coming Revolution in Ireland.

de rigueur on October 16, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Iowahawk always gets it right.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 5:54 PM

I’ve nothing against conservative “activism” such as it is. And if you go back and look at my wordpress postings, you will see me slamming Obama with reckless abandon.
I just think that some in the Tea Party movement are strating to turn a dangerous and destructive corner.

RightWay79 on October 16, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Fair enough. I’ll look forward to reading your blog posts. But with the sound off.

de rigueur on October 16, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Myron Falwell on October 16, 2013 at 5:52 PM

Peter King of New York has overstayed his welcome.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Don’t be mad because I’m right…..
libfreeordie on October 16, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Maybe you are but the sick thing is, you think it’s a sign of PROGRESS.

Cleombrotus on October 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Bob Beckel joins Alan Colmes and Wolf Blitzer: ‘Delay Obamacare for one year.’

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 5:31 PM

That train has left the station, LOL. The extremist all-or-nothing Democrats should have cut a deal.

Punchenko on October 16, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Bob Beckel joins Alan Colmes and Wolf Blitzer: ‘Delay Obamacare for one year.’

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 5:31 PM

That train has left the station, LOL. The extremist all-or-nothing Democrats should have cut a deal.

Punchenko on October 16, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Indeed. F*ck Beckel, Wolf Blitzer, Alan Colmes, the Chicago Tribune, and the rest of the newly-emergent Delay Caucus.

They wanted this shit. Fine. Choke on it.

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 5:39 PM

RightWay79 on October 16, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Nothing wrong with using Alinsky on the Democratics. They have been using it on us for decades, and we have to fight back.

slickwillie2001 on October 16, 2013 at 6:31 PM

slickwillie2001 on October 16, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Absolutely, I just want to know what RightWay79 is talking about. His complaints about the Tea Party are more than a bit vague.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 6:35 PM

RightWay79 on October 16, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Too much trash left on the ground last Sunday for you was it?

Bmore on October 16, 2013 at 6:37 PM

slickwillie2001 on October 16, 2013 at 6:31 PM

I don’t think the Tea Party is visible enough. We raised Cain over more not less. We should be gathering outside of our Congresscritters offices and stop the crazy spending and get rid of Obamacare. Getting together for the closing of memorials isn’t enough.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Cindy, you are right!

mobydutch on October 16, 2013 at 6:49 PM

I just hope that conservatives have the stamina to fight like heck. This mess has gone too far, and if challenged, it’s going to take perseverance and time. Sadly, it looks like the conservatives will need to pushback both Democrats and wannabe Democrats (McCain and King).

mobydutch on October 16, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Oh Lord, John McCain is trashing Sen. Cruz again. I’m so sick of him.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Oh Lord, John McCain is trashing Sen. Cruz again. I’m so sick of him.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 7:05 PM

I cannot articulate what I want to happen to Insane McVain without being banhammered out of existence.

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Everybody send an email to McCain. Use this Walmart address from his state.

Phoenix Walmart Supercenter
6150 S 35Th Ave
Phoenix, AZ 85041

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Senator Cruz rose in opposition to this Senate bill and gave a great speech. Now Schumer is up, but I muted him.

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Everybody send an email to McCain. Use this Walmart address from his state.

Phoenix Walmart Supercenter
6150 S 35Th Ave
Phoenix, AZ 85041

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 7:14 PM

McCant is too busy playing poker on his iRotary. Besides, he’s too feeble-minded to comprehend what any of us say, anyway.

Myron Falwell on October 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

It’s the best we can do.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM

We owe the good people of Arizona a real big thank you for that Johnny Mc fellow…he is a piece of work.

d1carter on October 16, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Myron Falwell on October 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Consider it an exercise in one of those liberal verbal cleansing exercises. I know it isn’t a drum circle or up/down twinkles but it made me feel somewhat better.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 7:21 PM

It’s the best we can do.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM

This reminds me of 2009, when I worked with a group fighting this disaster over a period of months. I accumulated a 1,000 or more phone calls & faxes myself. The group did the same. Then in Dec/2009 the Dems passed this. I told myself that I’d never to that again since it didn’t make any difference.

However, I repented and still do the same:-) I can’t help myself!

Well, as Ted Cruz said, this isn’t over.

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Good grief, Fox is doing a blow by blow. Who give a flying flip? Probably keep Red Eye off again tonight to talk about it. Geez Louise.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 7:33 PM

It will be interesting to see if any Republican Senator other than Cruz & Lee will vote no on this Senate bill. We know that 25 of the R’s betrayed us on that cloture vote in Sept., so I expect they will be all in for this one.

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Senate cloture vote:

now
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“No” votes on cloture so far: Vitter, Roberts, Cruz, Shelby, Johnson, Paul, Lee, Toomey, Rubio, Risch, Crapo, Grassley, Heller, Rubio.

davidk on October 16, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Live Blog Live Blog: The Budget Battle in Washington

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Tim Hanrahan:

Cloture vote passes easily, 83-16. We’re on to the final vote.

davidk on October 16, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-NY, on fiscal deal: ‘I’d also like to salute the Republican leader, Sen. [Mitch] McConnell [R-Ky.]. We all know he has a difficult political situation”‘ – @burgessev

davidk on October 16, 2013 at 8:03 PM

1 MIN agoLive Blog Live Blog: The Budget Battle in Washington

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As final vote goes now, here are the two other senators who voted “no” on cloture: Cornyn, Enzi.

http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-356331/

davidk on October 16, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, on Senate floor opposing bipartisan deal to keep the government open, raise debt ceiling; ‘this deal embodies everything about the Washington establishment that angers the American people’ – @LukeRussert

davidk on October 16, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Unnecessary “crisis”:

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., on fiscal crisis: ‘It was terrific mistake. We inflicted pain on the American people that was totally unnecessary’ – @NBCNightlyNews via @WillieGeist

davidk on October 16, 2013 at 8:07 PM

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In final vote, bill is well on its way to passage.

http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-356331/

davidk on October 16, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Polls close in US Senate special election in New Jersey – @JessicaTaylor

davidk on October 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM

The Associated Press ‏@AP 3m

BREAKING: Senate passes bill to reopen the government, avoid default; measure heads to House.

davidk on October 16, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Just in from feeding some old cows due to the rain.

Had Mark Levin’s radio show on he was off the rails about a possible $2 Billion ear mark for University of Louieville in Ky. Mitch McConnell’s ear mark in this “clean CR” that is being voted on now and,,

The bill per Mark from a Politico article will have a deal where it will take a 2/3′s vote in the House and Senate to over ride more spending due to a deal that give the Pres. (Obama) the ability to VETO the House and Senate if they try to limit the debt celling.

Have any of the posters here seen or heard of these two things….???

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 16, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Thanks davidk, I had to break away to finish cooking dinner(late)

Here is something that is more troubling! Via Drudge:

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/10/16/Senate-Debt-Deal-Includes-Provision-Taking-Away-Congress-Power-To-Increase-Debt-Ceiling

Mark Levin is trying to get this confirmed. He has reached out to McConnell’s office, but no response.

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Passes 81-18.

davidk on October 16, 2013 at 8:17 PM

obam to speak from WH.

davidk on October 16, 2013 at 8:18 PM

davidk on October 16, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Good grief to both those things.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 8:23 PM

obam to speak from WH.

davidk on October 16, 2013 at 8:18 PM

I pass on all of those:-)

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Passes 81-18.

davidk on October 16, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Happy for the no votes. That total was very close to the cloture vote of 79 yes, 19 no and Hatch & Flake a no vote.

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 8:26 PM

House member said they haven’t had a chance to read what the Senate passed. So I guess they are unaware of a lot of things in the bill. I hope they find out before passing it!!!!!

That first sentence was from Levin, the others mine:-)

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 8:30 PM

House member said they haven’t had a chance to read what the Senate passed. So I guess they are unaware of a lot of things in the bill. I hope they find out before passing it!!!!!

That first sentence was from Levin, the others mine:-)

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 8:30 PM

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/highlights-government-shutdown-debt-limit-billhttp://bigstory.ap.org/article/highlights-government-shutdown-debt-limit-bill

davidk on October 16, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Scaned the text, seems the last few pages is where the fix gets in and it will be hard to prove it up as there is referance to the sequester back in 2011 and that may be where McConnell etal put in the veto deal in a premtive sneak attack, it might just be that they have given Obama a veto over the House voteing no to Obama going over the debt celling….

Call any House Member you can get to and get them on this….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 16, 2013 at 8:43 PM

would have made a much better leader than Obama.

rubberneck on October 16, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Well no sh!t, Sherlock. You’re carping at a bunch of people that voted for him. There is just not pleasing you, we vote the way you want and you hate that and we stand by our principles and you hate that to. I’m going to tell you what you keep telling us. Shut up.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Nicely done!

kim roy on October 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Call any House Member you can get to and get them on this….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 16, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Thanks. Will try.

I think Levin will try another of his contacts since McConnell’s office is ignoring him.

With Drudge reporting this via Breitbart, it sounds like it may be true.

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM

60% or more of the R’s and all of the D’s hate U.S. and see us as just litle usefull tax ID numbers.

Satan puts the ear marks on them and the ear marks will show U.S. which ones to send packing over time.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 16, 2013 at 8:58 PM

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM

I called two Congressman, but they have their voice mail on.

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Past the sell by date: Recall.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 16, 2013 at 9:15 PM

One thing sure, now that it is up on Druge the House members can not say they did not know because that is all their staff do is surf the net and read our post for ideas and to find out how to get around our votes.

So if the House does vote this thing in and we have the Drudge Report and Mark etal in the record on telling them the facts, they can not use the Nancy Pelosi excuse of we voted on it to find out what was in it.

They all know.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 16, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Past the sell by date: Recall.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 16, 2013 at 9:15 PM

I agree. Do you need a list of all of the Dem & R Senators up for re-election in 2014? If so you can find them at http://www.dontfundit.com.
Also, page down and you’ll see the Candidates that are running against them that have declared so far on that site.

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 9:37 PM

They all know.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 16, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Good. I had a phone call, so will check it out. Thanks.

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 9:38 PM

ROLL CALL VOTE:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00219

FINAL PASSAGE OF THE BILL ^^

NO VOTES
Coburn (R-OK)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
Cruz (R-TX)
Enzi (R-WY)
Grassley (R-IA)

Heller (R-NV)
Johnson (R-WI)
Lee (R-UT)
Paul (R-KY)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)

Rubio (R-FL)
Scott (R-SC)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Toomey (R-PA)
Vitter (R-LA)

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 9:55 PM

He was dragged to far right by you nut cases. He’s a good man, and would have made a much better leader than Obama.

rubberneck on October 16, 2013 at 4:35 PM

What the hell…I’ve got a fat old hound who’d make abetter leader than lil barry.

You don’t make much of a point, kid.

Solaratov on October 16, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Oh Lord, John McCain is trashing Sen. Cruz again. I’m so sick of him.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Well, sure. McCain hates Cruz because he’s going to do what McCain couldn’t: win the presidency.

John the Libertarian on October 17, 2013 at 12:09 AM

Reward Cruz with the Presidency.

Bmore on October 17, 2013 at 7:44 AM

Bob Beckel joins Alan Colmes and Wolf Blitzer: ‘Delay Obamacare for one year.’

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 5:31 PM

But but but, Its. The. Law. Or something.

Nutstuyu on October 17, 2013 at 8:44 AM

libfreeordie, I need your input on something, please.

 

“So that’s why the individual mandate’s important,” Obama explained in a speech on Aug. 15, 2011.
 
“Because the basic theory is, look, everybody here at some point or another is going to need medical care, and you can’t be a free-rider on everybody else,” said Obama…
 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=14952502&sid=77&cid=77

 
The tax/fine on a person making $43K who doesn’t want or can’t afford insurance will only equal about $860 (vs. thousands in premiums and deductibles), and $860 will barely cover any actual medical procedure.
 
Hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay.
 
Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please.
 
rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 4:48 PM

 
Crickets.

rogerb on October 17, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Lolz! Is this the place to buy bait?

Bmore on October 18, 2013 at 6:36 PM

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