Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on October 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

At the last GOP conference meeting of the two-week government shutdown, no lawmakers went to the microphones to give their take.

Instead, after Speaker John Boehner told Republicans they had “fought the good fight,” they all rose up to offer a standing ovation. “It was one of the easiest meetings we’ve ever had,” says Representative Mick Mulvaney of South Carolina…

“We all agree Obamacare is an abomination. We all agree taxes are too high. We all agree spending is too high. We all agree Washington is getting in the way of job growth. We all agree we have a real debt crisis that will cripple future generations. We all agree on these fundamental conservative principles. … We must not confuse tactics with principles. The differences between us are dwarfed by the differences we have with the Democratic Party, and we can do more for the American people united,” he told them.

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“Republicans always had one of two choices,” Kibbe said. “They could fight against Democrats who were completely intransigent – they said ‘I’m not going to negotiate.’ Or they could capitulate early on.”

“Instead of presenting a united front opposed to Obamacare, opposed to spending so much money we don’t have, they started shooting at each other,” he continued…

“So, did you actually accomplish anything?” Cooper asked.

Kibbe replied that he thought he did. “What we accomplished was fighting,” he said. “It’s important in Washington D.C. to step up to the plate and actually stand for something.”

***

In a sign of the internal backlash against the right wing of the House Republican Conference, Louisiana Republican Charles Boustany questioned the political allegiances and motivations of his tea party-aligned colleagues and said they had put the GOP majority at risk in the current shutdown fight.

“There are members with a different agenda,” Boustany said Wednesday in an interview in his office. “And I’m not sure they’re Republicans and I’m not sure they’re conservative.”…

[H]e pointed the blame squarely at tea party lawmakers who he said were more concerned about bolstering their conservative bona fides than governing.

“Their allegiance is not to the members in the conference. Their allegiance is not to the leadership team and to conservative values,” he said. “Their allegiance is to these outside Washington DC interest groups that raise money and go after conservative Republicans.”

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Ted Cruz and Mike Lee may not have been able to strike a death blow to Obamacare today, but they were able to fight a fight that would have been impossible before them. They have now made it less and less possible for Republicans to collaborate with Democrats to fix or stabilize Obamacare…

The establishment has given conservatives a brilliant opportunity to advance against them and then against the Democrats. As Obamacare now goes into effect full swing, conservatives can show that they tried to stop it while Mitch McConnell and so many others sat and watched from a cozy booth the Capitol Hill Club leaving the fighting to others while they did everything possible to undermine the fight.

As more Americans watch Obamacare fail them through the Republican primary season, conservatives will be able to put the focus on Republicans who funded Obamacare instead of fighting it. Whether they like it or not, Republicans in Congress will find their names on ballots in 2014. They cannot hide or escape fate.

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Grover Norquist isn’t happy with the Defunders. The Americans for Tax Reform president told reporters today that they have a lot of apologies to make and bridges to re-build.

“It’d be a good idea if they stopped referring to other Republicans as Hitler appeasers because they opposed the strategy they put forward which failed,” Norquist says. “I think if you make a mistake as big as what they did, you owe your fellow senators and congressmen a big apology — and your constituents, as well, because nothing they did advanced the cause of repealing or dismantling Obamacare.”…

“They hurt the conservative movement, they hurt people’s health care, they hurt the country’s economic situation and they hurt the Republican party,” he says. “And a lot of congressmen and senators are not going to win because we spent three months chasing our own tail — or at least, parts of the conservative movement spent three months chasing their own tail.”…

“These are the people who said, ‘Plan: Step One, Invade Iraq. Step Two, It turns into Kansas,’” Norquist says. “Could I ask if there’s anything in between Step One and Step Two? ‘Oh ye of little faith.’”

***

“In conventional terms, it seems inexplicable, but Senator Cruz and his adherents do not view things in conventional terms. They look back over the past half-century, including the supposedly golden era of Ronald Reagan, and see the uninterrupted forward march of the American left. Entitlement spending never stopped growing. The regulatory state continued to expand. The national debt grew and grew and finally in the Obama years, exploded. They see an American population becoming unrecognizable from the free and self-reliant people they thought they knew. And they see the Republican Party as having utterly failed to stop the drift toward an unfree nation supervised by an overweening and bloated bureaucracy. They are not interested in Republican policies that merely slow the growth of this leviathan. They want to stop it and reverse it. And they want to show their supporters they’ll try anything to bring that about.

“And if some of those things turn out to be reckless and doomed, well so be it.”

***

The latest Pew Research Center poll is chock full of data revealing an emerging rift between tea party-aligned Republicans and the rest of the party. But if there is one area of relative agreement, it’s this: a belief that tea party is independent from the GOP.

More than half of all Republicans (51 percent) say the the tea party is separate. Only about three in 10 say it is part of the Republican Party. Nearly equal shares of tea party Republicans and Republican-leaning independents (52 percent) and non-tea party Republicans and GOP-leaning independents (55 percent) say the movement is separate from the GOP…

The question is how strong that link is and where it’s headed in the future. It’s clearly eroded in recent months: The poll shows a drop in tea party favorability among conservative, moderate and liberal Republicans since June.

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In its statement on the senate deal, Freedom Works asserts “The line separating the Democrats and the Republican establishment is fading- it might have disappeared today. This is about Washington insiders versus the rest of America now.” Leaving aside the fact that many real Americans outside the establishment do not see eye to eye with Freedom Works, this seems like just another version of the beloved mantra of Naderites, Anarchists and other outfits on the political periphery: There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the two parties. And I think that is nonsense. It’s one thing to say that the GOP is too liberal or the Democrats are too conservative, statements that have often been not merely defensible but accurate, depending on where you sit on the political spectrum. But the notion that there is no meaningful difference between the two parties is just silly. Even if supposed RINOs John McCain or Mitt Romney had been elected, the policies we have today would be very, very different. If McCain won, we might have had less than ideal healthcare reforms, but we wouldn’t have gotten ObamaCare. If Mitt Romney had won, regardless of what was in his heart, his vows to Republican voters would have required him to undo ObamaCare, perhaps not entirely but certainly very significantly.

Let’s simply agree that for the sake of argument that the deal hashed out by McConnell is awful. He was left with no good options. No fair minded person can really argue that this predicament is where the Republican leadership wants to be. When the Japanese signed their surrender to the Americans, it would be ridiculous to say that the “line separating the Japanese and the Americans disappeared today.” The Japanese simply lost and that they tried to lose on the best terms possible. The same goes for the GOP. A Japanese nationalist would be on firmer ground criticizing the Japanese leadership for losing, and a libertarian populist — or even an establishment “RINO” — could likewise condemn failures of GOP leadership, whatever they may be. But as an analytical matter those failures simply don’t mean that we have anything like a single mono-ideological party called the “establishment.”

***

Senate Republicans knew the House GOP conference was divided, and they knew Boehner’s hold on his conference was shaky, but they were still stunned by the GOP’s utter failure to accomplish anything.

“They are a majority party that wants to be a minority party,” the Senate Republican aide said of the House GOP. “This is not how a majority party acts. The majority party takes the power that it has and puts it to use. And in this case, they refused to use the power they had because they would rather rail against the majority that they should be trying to deal with.”

“They showed they would rather be in the minority than have to deal with a Democratic majority in the Senate and a Democratic president.”

***

If no understanding can be reached between Republican and conservative leaders, then one of the two groups will be destroyed — either the party, or the movement. When I see hard-core conservative lawmakers like Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, and Raul Labrador, R-Idaho circling the wagons around Speaker Boehner today, that’s a sign that conservative leaders have a lot more to lose. Recall that Labrador wouldn’t even vote for Boehner for Speaker. Yet at this juncture, he seems to appreciate the situation the Speaker was boxed into.

Are GOP leaders also at risk? Yes, but in a much less meaningful sense. They can lose their majorities. (Recall that this didn’t work out so well for conservatives last time, when Democrats took control and passed Obamacare.) Or the leaders could lose their positions within the party. But yesterday’s events proved that they are relatively powerless within the party anyway. Sure, you can topple Boehner, Cantor, and McConnell, but unless the conservative leadership embraces realism, all you get is another group of party leaders you can put into unrealistic positions, whom you can’t work with, who will gradually become less and less willing even to bother trying to work with you.

Consider the gains the pro-life movement has made over the years within the Republican Party, state legislation, the courts, and public opinion. There is no cause I believe more worthy in all the world. Yet where would pro-lifers be today had they instead simply and inflexibly demanded a government shutdown unless and until abortion was abolished? Pro-lifers figured out a way to work within the system and advance the ball.

The reconciliation that’s needed now will be difficult because of the current (and very predictable) bitterness caused by the perceived sell-out on the one side and the moving of the goalposts on the other. But neither the GOP nor conservatism can stand independently of one another. As they once said of the disunity among the colonies, the only option are to “Join or Die.”

***

As [one GOP strategist] noted, “Before the shutdown it wasn’t plausible that Democrats could regain the House next year. It may be plausible now, but we aren’t sure. But a mediocre year in 2014 for Republicans could improve the chances of a Democratic House takeover in 2016, a presidential year.”

“We need to have good years in (what should be) good years, because you know we are going to have bad years in bad years,” he continued, worrying that the last two weeks have turned lemonade back into a lemon for House Republicans.

All of this leaves two questions. First, are we going to see a replay of the last few weeks in January and February, when the current budget deal expires? And second, will a full-scale Republican civil war — which could be played out in Senate races from Kentucky to Kansas and Mississippi — follow?

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Via the Daily Rushbo.

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She added that the tea party should “consider whether they want to be the name-callers of the drama,” noting that the conservative grassroots has a penchant for calling Republicans who disagree with their approaches “RINOs” and “the surrender caucus.”

“Hecklers,” Kissel added.

“Dumb stuff,” Noonan agreed. “Stop it. You’re grown up. You’re big people in a big drama that may be a big evolution. Sit down. Get along. Work it out.”

***

“I was trying to think earlier today, if ever in my life I could remember any major political party being so irrelevant.”


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canopfor on October 17, 2013 at 12:19 AM

John the Libertarian on October 17, 2013 at 12:16 AM

LOL Trust me John…I was so close to that earlier!!!

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 12:20 AM

Someone omitted Grover Norquist’s closing remark when he screamed out, “Allāhu Akbar!”

Lourdes on October 16, 2013 at 10:56 PM

LOL….thanks that made me feel better.

William Eaton on October 17, 2013 at 12:21 AM

I am too tired to do that cross-check, but you’ll find a lot less than 16 voting against both sets of cloture.

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 12:15 AM

Harsh or no – I got your point……and it’s correct………

There are a LOT of establishment Traitors in that “Upper Chamber”…..no offense taken, dude….it’s been a crappy day!

williamg on October 17, 2013 at 12:21 AM

bazil9 on October 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM
ty ty ty…now that has possibilities I just need to switch out the candy and soda for something “healthy” but I love the idea of Casper!!!

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 12:18 AM

lol…your welcome.
One soda and 1 candy bar is bad?

It’s the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown is another good one.

Ummm..how about oatmeal cookies…

bazil9 on October 17, 2013 at 12:22 AM

Oddly, I’m kind of proud to be a Republican tonight.

Usually, I’m not. And this thing did not go well, but I think it was based on principles, and I don’t think the Republicans have done that for a while.

I don’t feel like they caved, it had no chance from the beginning… but they felt something.

Republicans actually stood for something.

They stood up for what was in the best interests of the American people… and that is my Party. They want good things.

petunia on October 17, 2013 at 12:22 AM

Oh no….

Petunia is here.

Midwestprincesse on October 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM

‘n,k,STFU!’

Resist We Much on October 17, 2013 at 12:04 AM

…I just noticed the two buttheads…are still on the CokeHead thread…with their cheeks pressed against each other…gassing for air!

KOOLAID2 on October 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM

Good night Hot Air!

KCB on October 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2013/10/pic-of-day-this-is-what-democracy-looks.html

^ Check out the exchange with the troll on this one. In the beginning, there weren’t any pictures of the other rally; just the one picture at the top — and then, answering the troll, the other rally pictures just kept coming. So I told RWM after that, from now on I am referring to that particular method of stomping up and down on a troll as the “n,k,STFU method.” :)

Axe on October 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM

Any suggestions for the 4 yr old???? lol I am a lost cause :)

CoffeeLover on October 16, 2013 at 11:59 PM


Easy one

Hot Wheels

My son didn’t LIKE candy – so we had to figure out a way to make Halloween and Easter something he would enjoy.

Easter Basket – stuffed with Hot Wheels

Halloween Trick or Treat candy – traded Mom & Dad his candy for Hot Wheels

There are still 20 or more, unopened, in a storage box downstairs.

PolAgnostic on October 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM

What Cruz and Lee accomplished was full exposure of the truly vindictive, partisan, and punitive “mean-spirited” natures of Obama, Reid, and the entire democrat leadership.

Americans will not forget being arbitrarily and spitefully barred from open air monuments to our war veterans, and most especially will not forget the the bizarre and malevolent behavior of the NPS throughout the nation.

If this entire episode portends to be a harbinger for things to come, we should be very glad that Cruz and Lee shined the spotlight into a very dark side of the Obama regime for all to see.

Harbingeing on October 17, 2013 at 12:12 AM

THIS!!!!

…..yeah, I forgot Lee earlier – crucial to this act of exposure on the part of Cruz and he……

williamg on October 17, 2013 at 12:25 AM

Good night Hot Air!

KCB on October 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM

KCB: Night KCB:)

canopfor on October 17, 2013 at 12:26 AM

My son didn’t LIKE candy

PolAgnostic on October 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM

what?

How can this be? –On earf?

Axe on October 17, 2013 at 12:26 AM

petunia on October 17, 2013 at 12:22 AM

Please tell me you’re talking about the rank-and-filers in the House, because the “leadership” in the House and the vast majority in the Senate are Fluking hippiecritical jackwagons.

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 12:26 AM

I don’t feel like they caved, it had no chance from the beginning… but they felt something.

Yeah … they felt tingles up their legs.

Republicans actually stood for something.

petunia on October 17, 2013 at 12:22 AM

They stood for dems and an 84 IQ, dog-eating, America-hating Indonesian SackOS.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 17, 2013 at 12:26 AM

United Health Care is dropping thousands of docs from its Medicare Advantage program.
Let the chaos begin.

King Barry and Queen Lardassia are going to flee the country or be under protective custody before this is all over.

justltl on October 17, 2013 at 12:26 AM

When everyone is a Rino, no one is a Rino.

It’s sort of like being called a racist… when you know it’s not true, it has very little sting. Especially when you know the hypocrisy of the one saying it.

petunia on October 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM

bazil9 on October 17, 2013 at 12:22 AM

I wrote it down :) You put a big smile on my face. Good ideas. Yeah soda and candy are no nos. Liam took my commuter coffee cup when I was pushing him in the cart and his Mom was grabbing something off the shelf a couple of yrs ago. He loved it! I’ve been guilty for years LOL.

So it seems I’ll have to suck wind and pick up granola bars and apple juice! yuck. The days of candy corn, peeps and carmels are over :(

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM

Just kind of in sort of bitter awe at McConnell right now. Not only did he deliver himself a backdoor earmark, but he also gave Obama (and future Presidents) total, permanent control over the debt limit.

It’s a gangster move, by someone who truly doesn’t care what conservatives think.

How many House Republicans realize what they voted for?

Robert_Paulson on October 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM

Night, Ken, Jackie, Cindy — any exit I may have missed. :)

Axe on October 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM

South Carolina-Lindsey Graham running for re-election. Being primaried by Lee Bright, Richard Cash, and Nancy Mace

I don’t care who they are and what they stand for, John McCain’s girl friend must go.

When Capt. Ahab finds out he will cry out on the senate floor “Stella!!!!!”

William Eaton on October 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

Axe on October 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM


ahhhhhhh, enlightenment!

(still not understanding WHY you would leave a place where the rabble can’t be roused for your drawing & quartering)

PolAgnostic on October 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

When everyone is a Rino, no one is a Rino.

petunia on October 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM

Luckily, not everyone is a RINO.

Axe on October 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM

I’m so glad! My mom was always creative..picked up tips from her.
A cool Halloween movie treat basket, I think is cool.

Take care good lady, I gotta roll- long day tomorrow.
Good luck, tell me how it turns out. :)

bazil9 on October 17, 2013 at 12:30 AM

US debt ceiling debate 2013
US budget negotiations 2013

White House has bill to re-open government, raise debt limit, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, says – @*nnbrk

3 mins ago by editor

canopfor on October 17, 2013 at 12:30 AM

LOL Trust me John…I was so close to that earlier!!!

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 12:20 AM

I’ve got a 7-year-old only for visitations, so I go out of my way to find candy stores that stock the rare old stuff, like Zots and Pop Rocks and all kinds of taffy flavors. I’ve never seen a face light up so bright.

John the Libertarian on October 17, 2013 at 12:31 AM

PolAgnostic on October 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM

Those have been my fall back for the last 3 yrs. He’s got over 100 of those things and stepping on them hurts!!!

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 12:31 AM

I gotta roll- long day tomorrow.

bazil9 on October 17, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Night, b9.

Axe on October 17, 2013 at 12:32 AM

what?

How can this be? –On earf?

Axe on October 17, 2013 at 12:26 AM

.
I know … there we were, TWO confirmed chocoholics, with a kid who wouldn’t touch the stuff.

His pediatrician’s take was, “He has egg, peanut & a few other mild allergies – probably some others we don’t know – so candy probably tastes ‘bad’ to him.”

His body fat measures under 10%.

“G’night, Axe. I’ll probably draw & quarter you tomorrow.”

PolAgnostic on October 17, 2013 at 12:34 AM

So it seems I’ll have to suck wind and pick up granola bars and apple juice! yuck. The days of candy corn, peeps and carmels are over :(

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM

We used to melt carmels on our apples. Yummy. Goes good with coffee too. (:

SparkPlug on October 17, 2013 at 12:34 AM

John the Libertarian on October 17, 2013 at 12:31 AM

Fireballs and root beer barrels. Red buttons too.

SparkPlug on October 17, 2013 at 12:35 AM

Thanx B9 and good night. I now have a direction for tomorrow’s trip to the stores.

John the Libertarian on October 17, 2013 at 12:31 AM

Awesome I am coming for a visit. Remember those taffy bars you had to slap to crack apart. I loved those. Maybe at 7 I’ll have a bit more leeway but at 4 I tend to abide by the Mom’s wishes.

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 12:35 AM

For Reid, McConnell, McCain, Obama, Bob Corker and The Rest of Them

Ooooooh-la-la-la!!

williamg on October 17, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Those have been my fall back for the last 3 yrs. He’s got over 100 of those things and stepping on them hurts!!!

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 12:31 AM


LOL!

Not as much as Legos! NOTHING hurts as much as Legos !!!

PolAgnostic on October 17, 2013 at 12:36 AM

His body fat measures under 10%.

“G’night, Axe. I’ll probably draw & quarter you tomorrow.”

PolAgnostic on October 17, 2013 at 12:34 AM

I wasn’t going to bed. But I suppose . . . all right, I’ll consider it. I have to think about this.

Axe on October 17, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Any suggestions for the 4 yr old???? lol I am a lost cause :)

CoffeeLover on October 16, 2013 at 11:59 PM

Jolly Ranchers and skittles. (: Fig Newtons are kinda healthy and taste like candy..

SparkPlug on October 17, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Me bailing out too,gonna start on my

Great Grand RINO Purgation List, and
one for the road!

Night Everyone:

Styx – Grand Illusion
**** **************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO62scTZ7Qk

canopfor on October 17, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Harbingeing on October 17, 2013 at 12:12 AM

Good as all those exposures are, none are better than the undressing of the RINOs in DC and here.

I’ll thank Messrs. Cruz/Lee forever.

Schadenfreude on October 17, 2013 at 12:17 AM

You got that right, friend. I actually meant to include that, but forgot when making it ‘pithy’ for B’oReally?. I am also, truly grateful for the leadership shown by Cruz, Lee and a few notable others in this thing. Leaders LEAD, and may many more soon follow.

Harbingeing on October 17, 2013 at 12:39 AM

SparkPlug on October 17, 2013 at 12:35 AM

Oh dang…fireballs and root beer barrels. What great memories. 5 apartment buildings in a row, all decked out in costumes with big bags to haul the goodies. The whole block would out on the streets.

I haven’t had a kid knock on my door in the last 8 yrs on Halloween.

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 12:41 AM

SparkPlug on October 17, 2013 at 12:37 AM

FIG NEWTONS….ewwww.LOL

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 12:43 AM

Just kind of in sort of bitter awe at McConnell right now. Not only did he deliver himself a backdoor earmark, but he also gave Obama (and future Presidents) total, permanent control over the debt limit.

It’s a gangster move, by someone who truly doesn’t care what conservatives think.

How many House Republicans realize what they voted for?

Robert_Paulson on October 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM

While the backdoor earmark charge is a valid one, if the draft provided to NPR Louisville affiliate WFPL was unaltered when placed on the floor of the Senate, it is anything but a handover of permanent control of the debt limit to the President. The “disapproval” process only applies to the coming suspension of the debt limit through 2/7/2014.

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 12:45 AM

SparkPlug on October 17, 2013 at 12:37 AM

FIG NEWTONS….ewwww.LOL

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 12:43 AM

They get those from infigsquids. :)

Axe on October 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Resist We Much on October 17, 2013 at 12:44 AM

laffs..the story was touching…yes..
melting cold black heart bit….not buying it…

going2mars on October 17, 2013 at 12:49 AM

‘Old or young, dad or mom, black, white, purple. I’ll take anyone’: Orphan, 15, who was born in jail and has spent his entire life in foster care stands up in church to ask if someone will adopt him

Cold, black heart melts a bit.

Resist We Much on October 17, 2013 at 12:44 AM

Aw. Geeze.

Axe on October 17, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Resist We Much on October 17, 2013 at 12:44 AM

that does do it RWM. Thanks for sharing it. Hoping he finds someone or a family soon. God Bless him for taking the bulls by the horns and trying to do something for himself instead of waiting for the “system” to keep pushing him through for the next 3 yrs.

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 12:50 AM

He wants something better. I can dig it.

Axe on October 17, 2013 at 12:50 AM

I found this —-

I wanted to let you know that earlier today I received my “Obamacare enrollment packet” from the White House.

It contained:

· An aspirin and a band-aid.

· An ‘Obama Hope & Change’ bumper sticker

· A ‘Bush’s Fault’ yard sign

· A ‘Blame Republicans first, then anybody and everybody’ poster

· A ‘Tax the Rich’ banner

· An application for unemployment and a free cellphone

· An application for food stamps

· A prayer rug

· A letter assigning my debt to my grandchildren

· And lastly, a coupon for a machine that blows smoke up my ass.

Everything was made in “China” and all directions were in Spanish.

Keep an eye out. Yours should be arriving soon.

:)

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 12:57 AM

{{{{{Sophie Ro}}}}}

^ bunch of other stuff too. :) Totally cuddle weather, and I’m totally into you. I’ll try to distract myself with Shakespeare and fatigue long enough to fall asleep. *crosses fingers*

Have a great night, everyone. :)

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 12:57 AM

That was kind of awesome. :)

Axe on October 17, 2013 at 12:59 AM

nite Axe

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 1:00 AM

CoffeeLover on October 17, 2013 at 12:57 AM

You forgot “voter registration form”.

Oh wait, the voter registration form actually is part of the PlaceboCare enrollment packet.

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 1:03 AM

You forgot “voter registration form”.

Oh wait, the voter registration form actually is part of the PlaceboCare enrollment packet.

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 1:03 AM

voter registration form….YES
voter ID card…………..not so much..

going2mars on October 17, 2013 at 1:05 AM

williamg on October 17, 2013 at 12:11 AM

you’re dead wrong about Enzi. He’s voted strait con. against obozo care, debt ceiling, cr etc.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 1:09 AM

This must be some kind of record – we’re on the fourth page and a lot of comments are still on the nominal topic.

We’re slipping, people!

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 1:10 AM

This must be some kind of record – we’re on the fourth page and a lot of comments are still on the nominal topic.
We’re slipping, people!
Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 1:10 AM

REDSKINS!

fight like a girl on October 17, 2013 at 1:16 AM

williamg on October 17, 2013 at 12:11 AM

you’re dead wrong about Enzi. He’s voted strait con. against obozo care, debt ceiling, cr etc.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 1:09 AM

yeah…..maybe……you might be right…..then again – I’m not sure about him……..there’s a few other “rear-coverers” in that list……..

williamg on October 17, 2013 at 1:16 AM

williamg on October 17, 2013 at 1:12 AM

He didn’t quite get it permanently this round. The “vaunted” “disapproval” process is how the debt ceiling is going to be suspended/raised through 2/7/2014 (assuming Obama hasn’t transmitted the suspension notification along with his signature on the crap sandwi…er…bill and thus already started the suspension/raising process).

There’s always February, or whenever the extraordinary measures that will start anew on 2/8/2014 begin to falter, for MiniCave McConnell to give it to him permanently.

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 1:17 AM

While the backdoor earmark charge is a valid one, if the draft provided to NPR Louisville affiliate WFPL was unaltered when placed on the floor of the Senate, it is anything but a handover of permanent control of the debt limit to the President. The “disapproval” process only applies to the coming suspension of the debt limit through 2/7/2014.

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 12:45 AM

Mitch is pushing back on the Olmsted thing. But I would point out that Olmsted is actually in Illinois. So the lock and dam spans the river between IL and KY.

wrt the debt limit…i heard this earlier. McConnell has voiced this before.

at this point, i am seriously tired of the political theater that goes on…esp. with the left-wing press acting as stage manager. And the truth is that the debt limit always goes up. the DL is not an effective way to control spending. No leftist or RINO has ever been stopped by the DL. It is theater only.

r keller on October 17, 2013 at 1:18 AM

You let FEAR, of a FALSE thread of default, lead you to believe that the only two options were to accept the Senate bill or default tomorrow. That was a FALSE CHOICE.

ITguy on October 16, 2013 at 10:46 PM

I agree with everything you wrote except your appraisal of Boehner’s motives. He’s no dummy, he’s one of the most powerful men on Earth, he knows as well as Obama does, and we do, that default was never a risk except as a result of a deliberate act by Obama. The reason Boehner kept repeating the big default lie is because it served his interests in the same way it serves Obama and the Democrats; all of Washington DC. He wanted to bring Cruz/Lee to an end, but there was no cause because few people were actually affected by the “shutdown”, hardly more than they were by the sequester. The only urgency has been manufactured by the press. The only way to undermine Cruz/Lee was to lie, so they combined the CR with the debt ceiling, lied about the default and then surrendered everything, and more.

Now there are reports that as a result of this surrender bill that in the future the debt ceiling will increase automatically unless there is a vote to stop it.

FloatingRock on October 17, 2013 at 1:20 AM

Out of here but I’m very discouraged… Tired of always “losing.”

sandee on October 17, 2013 at 1:22 AM

RWM, SteveEgg, or someone. Is it not constitutionally mandated that the Senate pass a budget every year. I think it is. Why hasn’t a suit been brought against Senate leadership for derelection of duty in the last 5 yrs?

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 1:23 AM

r keller on October 17, 2013 at 1:18 AM
the Olmsted damn dam thing is on the Il side
but Ky and Ohio both have interests here too..
ohio is just up stream..
this is almost right out of Mr Smith goes to Washington…
its called ….graft

and all we wanted to put on that land is a boys camp…//

going2mars on October 17, 2013 at 1:23 AM

REDSKINS!

fight like a girl on October 17, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Why are we concerned about a miserable excuse for an NFL team?

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Don’t think that matters…..the bigger point is the unconstitutionality of Obama’s words, actions, deeds and threats………

If one looks at it – that’s charge-getter…..it IS unconstitutional

Who’s gonna cover that in the MSM?

Didn’t think so……

williamg on October 17, 2013 at 1:25 AM

The “disapproval” process only applies to the coming suspension of the debt limit through 2/7/2014.
Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 12:45 AM

Thx for that tidbit! I could hardly believe the R’s sold out that much. Glad to hear it isn’t so.

But I guess they sold out the next hill to fight on already huh?

blockchords on October 17, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Out of here but I’m very discouraged… Tired of always “losing.”

sandee on October 17, 2013 at 1:22 AM

Don’t be. A presidential candidate has emerged.

John the Libertarian on October 17, 2013 at 1:29 AM

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 12:45 AM

I *believe* that’s an earlier version. The final agreement is at the link below:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/16/exclusive-read-the-actual-legislation-reid-and-mcconnell-hope-will-end-the-government-shutdown/

Robert_Paulson on October 17, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Bottom line – Obama Has ALREADY Violated The Constitution – and Levin has offered Incontrovertible PROOF of that…….so – who’s prosecuting? Because they WOULD be – if it were mmmBOOOOOSH!!

williamg on October 17, 2013 at 1:31 AM

RWM, SteveEgg, or someone. Is it not constitutionally mandated that the Senate pass a budget every year. I think it is. Why hasn’t a suit been brought against Senate leadership for derelection of duty in the last 5 yrs?

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 1:23 AM

It’s not a Constitutional mandate, but a mandate of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974. Unfortunately, that law has no enforcement mechanism, the federal courts are loathe to step into a fight between the two Houses of Congress when there is no specified role for them, and every interested party in this outside of Congress is not a member of the Perpetually Aggrieved Class and thus has no standing in federal court.

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 1:32 AM

If I read the final agreement correctly (and I definitely could be wrong), it defines a special period up to Feb 7, 2014 during which the debt limit is raised to a certain amount. However, it also gives the President the ability to raise it on his own starting Feb 8.

Robert_Paulson on October 17, 2013 at 1:34 AM

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 1:32 AM

thanks for the clarification, although obviously a budget every year would eliminate this kabuki that we endure every 6 mths or so.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 1:36 AM

evening mr fred..
hows things near the headwaters of the green tonight?

going2mars on October 17, 2013 at 1:40 AM

I *believe* that’s an earlier version. The final agreement is at the link below:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/16/exclusive-read-the-actual-legislation-reid-and-mcconnell-hope-will-end-the-government-shutdown/

Robert_Paulson on October 17, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Thanks. With respect to the debt ceiling, while there is some difference in the language, the “Presidential debt ceiling suspension” authority is still a “one-time-only” (second time, really) deal that suspends it through 2/7/2014, then raises it to the debt level as of 2/8/2014.

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 1:42 AM

going2mars on October 17, 2013 at 1:40 AM

considering todays events i’d say not too bad.
Last week there were some pics on twitchy/twitter of the turnout in Teton that we were talking about. Did you see them. I wish that I could’ve gone up there and thrown the cones into the Snake.

How is it in your world?

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 1:44 AM

thanks for the clarification, although obviously a budget every year would eliminate this kabuki that we endure every 6 mths or so.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 1:36 AM

6 months – yeah. Or so – not so much because “or so” is 12 months.

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 1:48 AM

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 1:44 AM
i saw the vid of the buffalo that knocked down the barrycade..
it made me smile..
and yes today seems tough…
but maybe not completely…10-12 years ago
we had no limited government tea party constitutionalists ppl in washington fighting for us..
now we have a maybe 50-60 in the rep’s and 10-12ish in the sen..
maybe another ten years we’ll have enough to get things done..
if we learned nothing …we learned DC is a numbers town…
they only count votes and cash…..
our side is short both …

going2mars on October 17, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 1:42 AM

In theory then on 2/6/14 obozo could add another trillion or so and that would be effective on the 8th. right or wrong?

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 1:51 AM

However, it also gives the President the ability to raise it on his own starting Feb 8.

Robert_Paulson on October 17, 2013 at 1:34 AM

If so then I would think that it is unconstitutional as it would require a constitutional amendment to reassign Congress’ constitutionally defined control over the debt and purse strings to the POTUS.

FloatingRock on October 17, 2013 at 1:52 AM

going2mars on October 17, 2013 at 1:51 AM

in 10 yrs or so it won’t matter so much to me as it will to my grandchildren. I don’t think I’ll be able to leave them enough to cover the obligations that the squishes have saddled them with tonites vote.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 1:55 AM

i listened to ppl all day saying toss this guy or lady out…he’s a coward…traitor…throw out this one or that one…
reality tells us…we are allready short numbers..
if we tossed out every rino we’d be shorter on the numbers..
here in michigan we have carl levin and stabinow…
screaming socalists…we’d love to have a rino up here…
at least once every blue moon our concerns might be heard…
reality is…once Detroit and the unions vote..
my little towns votes …dont matter…
were short people of character….pride…ambition…logic….drive….

going2mars on October 17, 2013 at 1:56 AM

In theory then on 2/6/14 obozo could add another trillion or so and that would be effective on the 8th. right or wrong?

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Wrong, at least legally. One of the changes between the draft I linked to and the final version Robert_Paulson linked to was the addition of a restatement of the prohibition of borrowing for expenses past the re-freezing of the debt ceiling that was in the first debt-suspension law. In the draft, that had been assumed to be put in effect by the blanket substitution of the relevant 2013 dates by the corresponding 2014 dates.

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 1:57 AM

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 1:55 AM

true about your grandkids…sorry..
the selfishness of todays crowd doesnt see your grandchildren..
they are all about the power/greed at the top..
and me me me me me at the bottom…

going2mars on October 17, 2013 at 1:59 AM

If so then I would think that it is unconstitutional as it would require a constitutional amendment to reassign Congress’ constitutionally defined control over the debt and purse strings to the POTUS.

FloatingRock on October 17, 2013 at 1:52 AM

Not quite so (the debt ceiling will be re-frozen at the level of debt that exists on 2/8/2014), though the previous Presidential suspension of the debt ceiling earlier this year and the coming one that will start momentarily (if it hasn’t already) really should have required said Constitutional amendment.

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 2:01 AM

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 1:57 AM

LOL. i understand my 1 yr old granddaughter better than i understand that. Us old cowboys don’t speak legaleze, we do understand english.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 2:03 AM

LOL. i understand my 1 yr old granddaughter better than i understand that. Us old cowboys don’t speak legaleze, we do understand english.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 2:03 AM

Let’s see if I can do a further translation from legalese to English then :-)

Obama legally cannot put on the national charge card in February the welfare check he’s going to cut in March or his August vacation.

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 2:06 AM

Steve Eggleston on October 17, 2013 at 2:06 AM

Thank you. I was about to call my little brother who is a lawyer for translation. Since he’s a die hard obie fan and I haven’t talked to him since 2008 it’s better this way. Maybe i’ll talk to him in 2017.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 2:10 AM

the clever thing about the ‘suspension’ of the debt limit is that they can now formalize what extraordinary measures have done. Last time it was several 100B. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this will be 500B just to catch up…plus at 100B per month to Feb, say 400B. So i bet this is effective a trillion dollar increase, i.e. 17.3T by Feb…without any numbers even specified.

r keller on October 17, 2013 at 2:11 AM

serial homology…

equanimous on October 17, 2013 at 2:14 AM

However, it also gives the President the ability to raise it on his own starting Feb 8.

Robert_Paulson on October 17, 2013 at 1:34 AM

The way I understand it, the debt ceiling will now happen automatically. If congress wants to stop it, they must submit legislation. Then the president can just veto that legislation if he wants the debt ceiling raised. This effectively gives our new executive dictatorship control over the debt ceiling going forward. Congress can stop it with a two-thirds vote, but how often does that happen?

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/10/16/Senate-Debt-Deal-Includes-Provision-Taking-Away-Congress-Power-To-Increase-Debt-Ceiling

TarheelBen on October 17, 2013 at 2:15 AM

After another reading, I’ve come around that Steve’s more or less correct here. Sorry for the false alarm, folks. Good sign that I need to get some rest.

Robert_Paulson on October 17, 2013 at 2:16 AM

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013

so the Wy Trib says Liz Cheney raised over a million allready..
with Enzi not to far behind…
you got a favorite horse in this race?

going2mars on October 17, 2013 at 2:17 AM

TarheelBen on October 17, 2013 at 2:15 AM

I reckon we have to pass it to see what’s in it!

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 2:19 AM

going2mars on October 17, 2013 at 2:17 AM

definately Enzi. Liz is a carpetbagger. She’s spent most of her life in VA. Worked in DC. Enzi lived here a long time & owns business here. We have common ground, Liz not so much. I never been to a cocktail party in DC but I drink beer with the boys down at the Eagle once in a while.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 2:27 AM

A caving we will go, a caving we will go
O hi O, a caving we will go…

Mr. Chao’s payoff was a $2-3 BILLION earmark for a project in Ken tuck ee. Now we know why the debt limit needed to be raised…

Gohawgs on October 17, 2013 at 2:28 AM

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 2:27 AM

i met her father twice…in JH..
once at the snake river grill
once i was rafting the snake and he was flyfishing…
both times he was as kind as could be
im a big fan of mr cheney….
as far as liz…she had to live east…if she ever wanted to see her parents…dick was there ..what over thirty years??..
i thought she was trying to run to enzi’s right??..
is that right ??…

going2mars on October 17, 2013 at 2:32 AM

This isn’t the battle Obama wanted to fight… all he wanted to do was kneecap the TEA Party an conservatives ahead of the AMNESTY push.

There are plenty of House and Senate members of the GOP who are quietly pushing for AMNESTY. Most are taking the ‘legal status but not citizenship’ route…which is the same as saying ‘green card now and citizenship later, but not much later’. How long do you think it will be before the Democrats and brand new green card holders are demanding citizenship to end their ‘second class’ status? Also, there are already those who claim to be conservative in the GOP who are pushing to double the number of green cards issued each year and increase legal immigration. In any case, any amnesty, no matter what technical form it takes, will usher in unrestrained chain migration. The last amnesty saw an average of five relatives brought in under chain migration for each illegal aliens who received amnesty. Every green card holder is required to immediately enroll in Obamacare. The CBO estimates the cost of the 11 million minimum number to be $2 Trillion over the first 10 years.

The other hard fact is that in 1983 the promise was that only those illegal aliens who ‘qualified’ for amnesty would be granted amnesty. The original number touted for amnesty was 1.3 million. In reality, 2.8 million received amnesty. Of the reported 5 million illegal aliens who were present in the nation for that amnesty, only that nearly 3 million were granted amnesty. The promise was that those who were ineligible would be deported. Those 2 million illegal aliens were never deported.

Here we are today.

thatsafactjack on October 17, 2013 at 2:33 AM

Late for an ol’ man

Adios: vaya con dios

Fred

jrsrigmvr on October 17, 2013 at 2:33 AM

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