Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on October 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

At the last GOP conference meeting of the two-week government shutdown, no lawmakers went to the microphones to give their take.

Instead, after Speaker John Boehner told Republicans they had “fought the good fight,” they all rose up to offer a standing ovation. “It was one of the easiest meetings we’ve ever had,” says Representative Mick Mulvaney of South Carolina…

“We all agree Obamacare is an abomination. We all agree taxes are too high. We all agree spending is too high. We all agree Washington is getting in the way of job growth. We all agree we have a real debt crisis that will cripple future generations. We all agree on these fundamental conservative principles. … We must not confuse tactics with principles. The differences between us are dwarfed by the differences we have with the Democratic Party, and we can do more for the American people united,” he told them.

***

“Republicans always had one of two choices,” Kibbe said. “They could fight against Democrats who were completely intransigent – they said ‘I’m not going to negotiate.’ Or they could capitulate early on.”

“Instead of presenting a united front opposed to Obamacare, opposed to spending so much money we don’t have, they started shooting at each other,” he continued…

“So, did you actually accomplish anything?” Cooper asked.

Kibbe replied that he thought he did. “What we accomplished was fighting,” he said. “It’s important in Washington D.C. to step up to the plate and actually stand for something.”

***

In a sign of the internal backlash against the right wing of the House Republican Conference, Louisiana Republican Charles Boustany questioned the political allegiances and motivations of his tea party-aligned colleagues and said they had put the GOP majority at risk in the current shutdown fight.

“There are members with a different agenda,” Boustany said Wednesday in an interview in his office. “And I’m not sure they’re Republicans and I’m not sure they’re conservative.”…

[H]e pointed the blame squarely at tea party lawmakers who he said were more concerned about bolstering their conservative bona fides than governing.

“Their allegiance is not to the members in the conference. Their allegiance is not to the leadership team and to conservative values,” he said. “Their allegiance is to these outside Washington DC interest groups that raise money and go after conservative Republicans.”

***

Ted Cruz and Mike Lee may not have been able to strike a death blow to Obamacare today, but they were able to fight a fight that would have been impossible before them. They have now made it less and less possible for Republicans to collaborate with Democrats to fix or stabilize Obamacare…

The establishment has given conservatives a brilliant opportunity to advance against them and then against the Democrats. As Obamacare now goes into effect full swing, conservatives can show that they tried to stop it while Mitch McConnell and so many others sat and watched from a cozy booth the Capitol Hill Club leaving the fighting to others while they did everything possible to undermine the fight.

As more Americans watch Obamacare fail them through the Republican primary season, conservatives will be able to put the focus on Republicans who funded Obamacare instead of fighting it. Whether they like it or not, Republicans in Congress will find their names on ballots in 2014. They cannot hide or escape fate.

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Grover Norquist isn’t happy with the Defunders. The Americans for Tax Reform president told reporters today that they have a lot of apologies to make and bridges to re-build.

“It’d be a good idea if they stopped referring to other Republicans as Hitler appeasers because they opposed the strategy they put forward which failed,” Norquist says. “I think if you make a mistake as big as what they did, you owe your fellow senators and congressmen a big apology — and your constituents, as well, because nothing they did advanced the cause of repealing or dismantling Obamacare.”…

“They hurt the conservative movement, they hurt people’s health care, they hurt the country’s economic situation and they hurt the Republican party,” he says. “And a lot of congressmen and senators are not going to win because we spent three months chasing our own tail — or at least, parts of the conservative movement spent three months chasing their own tail.”…

“These are the people who said, ‘Plan: Step One, Invade Iraq. Step Two, It turns into Kansas,’” Norquist says. “Could I ask if there’s anything in between Step One and Step Two? ‘Oh ye of little faith.’”

***

“In conventional terms, it seems inexplicable, but Senator Cruz and his adherents do not view things in conventional terms. They look back over the past half-century, including the supposedly golden era of Ronald Reagan, and see the uninterrupted forward march of the American left. Entitlement spending never stopped growing. The regulatory state continued to expand. The national debt grew and grew and finally in the Obama years, exploded. They see an American population becoming unrecognizable from the free and self-reliant people they thought they knew. And they see the Republican Party as having utterly failed to stop the drift toward an unfree nation supervised by an overweening and bloated bureaucracy. They are not interested in Republican policies that merely slow the growth of this leviathan. They want to stop it and reverse it. And they want to show their supporters they’ll try anything to bring that about.

“And if some of those things turn out to be reckless and doomed, well so be it.”

***

The latest Pew Research Center poll is chock full of data revealing an emerging rift between tea party-aligned Republicans and the rest of the party. But if there is one area of relative agreement, it’s this: a belief that tea party is independent from the GOP.

More than half of all Republicans (51 percent) say the the tea party is separate. Only about three in 10 say it is part of the Republican Party. Nearly equal shares of tea party Republicans and Republican-leaning independents (52 percent) and non-tea party Republicans and GOP-leaning independents (55 percent) say the movement is separate from the GOP…

The question is how strong that link is and where it’s headed in the future. It’s clearly eroded in recent months: The poll shows a drop in tea party favorability among conservative, moderate and liberal Republicans since June.

***

In its statement on the senate deal, Freedom Works asserts “The line separating the Democrats and the Republican establishment is fading- it might have disappeared today. This is about Washington insiders versus the rest of America now.” Leaving aside the fact that many real Americans outside the establishment do not see eye to eye with Freedom Works, this seems like just another version of the beloved mantra of Naderites, Anarchists and other outfits on the political periphery: There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the two parties. And I think that is nonsense. It’s one thing to say that the GOP is too liberal or the Democrats are too conservative, statements that have often been not merely defensible but accurate, depending on where you sit on the political spectrum. But the notion that there is no meaningful difference between the two parties is just silly. Even if supposed RINOs John McCain or Mitt Romney had been elected, the policies we have today would be very, very different. If McCain won, we might have had less than ideal healthcare reforms, but we wouldn’t have gotten ObamaCare. If Mitt Romney had won, regardless of what was in his heart, his vows to Republican voters would have required him to undo ObamaCare, perhaps not entirely but certainly very significantly.

Let’s simply agree that for the sake of argument that the deal hashed out by McConnell is awful. He was left with no good options. No fair minded person can really argue that this predicament is where the Republican leadership wants to be. When the Japanese signed their surrender to the Americans, it would be ridiculous to say that the “line separating the Japanese and the Americans disappeared today.” The Japanese simply lost and that they tried to lose on the best terms possible. The same goes for the GOP. A Japanese nationalist would be on firmer ground criticizing the Japanese leadership for losing, and a libertarian populist — or even an establishment “RINO” — could likewise condemn failures of GOP leadership, whatever they may be. But as an analytical matter those failures simply don’t mean that we have anything like a single mono-ideological party called the “establishment.”

***

Senate Republicans knew the House GOP conference was divided, and they knew Boehner’s hold on his conference was shaky, but they were still stunned by the GOP’s utter failure to accomplish anything.

“They are a majority party that wants to be a minority party,” the Senate Republican aide said of the House GOP. “This is not how a majority party acts. The majority party takes the power that it has and puts it to use. And in this case, they refused to use the power they had because they would rather rail against the majority that they should be trying to deal with.”

“They showed they would rather be in the minority than have to deal with a Democratic majority in the Senate and a Democratic president.”

***

If no understanding can be reached between Republican and conservative leaders, then one of the two groups will be destroyed — either the party, or the movement. When I see hard-core conservative lawmakers like Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, and Raul Labrador, R-Idaho circling the wagons around Speaker Boehner today, that’s a sign that conservative leaders have a lot more to lose. Recall that Labrador wouldn’t even vote for Boehner for Speaker. Yet at this juncture, he seems to appreciate the situation the Speaker was boxed into.

Are GOP leaders also at risk? Yes, but in a much less meaningful sense. They can lose their majorities. (Recall that this didn’t work out so well for conservatives last time, when Democrats took control and passed Obamacare.) Or the leaders could lose their positions within the party. But yesterday’s events proved that they are relatively powerless within the party anyway. Sure, you can topple Boehner, Cantor, and McConnell, but unless the conservative leadership embraces realism, all you get is another group of party leaders you can put into unrealistic positions, whom you can’t work with, who will gradually become less and less willing even to bother trying to work with you.

Consider the gains the pro-life movement has made over the years within the Republican Party, state legislation, the courts, and public opinion. There is no cause I believe more worthy in all the world. Yet where would pro-lifers be today had they instead simply and inflexibly demanded a government shutdown unless and until abortion was abolished? Pro-lifers figured out a way to work within the system and advance the ball.

The reconciliation that’s needed now will be difficult because of the current (and very predictable) bitterness caused by the perceived sell-out on the one side and the moving of the goalposts on the other. But neither the GOP nor conservatism can stand independently of one another. As they once said of the disunity among the colonies, the only option are to “Join or Die.”

***

As [one GOP strategist] noted, “Before the shutdown it wasn’t plausible that Democrats could regain the House next year. It may be plausible now, but we aren’t sure. But a mediocre year in 2014 for Republicans could improve the chances of a Democratic House takeover in 2016, a presidential year.”

“We need to have good years in (what should be) good years, because you know we are going to have bad years in bad years,” he continued, worrying that the last two weeks have turned lemonade back into a lemon for House Republicans.

All of this leaves two questions. First, are we going to see a replay of the last few weeks in January and February, when the current budget deal expires? And second, will a full-scale Republican civil war — which could be played out in Senate races from Kentucky to Kansas and Mississippi — follow?

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Via the Daily Rushbo.

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She added that the tea party should “consider whether they want to be the name-callers of the drama,” noting that the conservative grassroots has a penchant for calling Republicans who disagree with their approaches “RINOs” and “the surrender caucus.”

“Hecklers,” Kissel added.

“Dumb stuff,” Noonan agreed. “Stop it. You’re grown up. You’re big people in a big drama that may be a big evolution. Sit down. Get along. Work it out.”

***

“I was trying to think earlier today, if ever in my life I could remember any major political party being so irrelevant.”


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B9!!!

KCB on October 16, 2013 at 10:42 PM

bishop…evening all

CoffeeLover on October 16, 2013 at 10:43 PM

F&CK!!!

RovesChins on October 16, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Bishop!
What time does Axe get drawn & quartered for last night’s offenses?

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2013 at 10:43 PM

well poop Ken :) almost

CoffeeLover on October 16, 2013 at 10:43 PM

So far joining the Delay Caucus are:

1. The Chicago Tribune

2. Wolf Blitzer

3. Ezra Klein

4. Bob Beckel

5. Alan Holmes

6. Allahpundit

7. Byron York

All of whom skewered those that sought delay through legislative means.

To the Delay Caucus, I say:

No. F*cking. Way.

I am for implementing Obamacare EXACTLY as it was written, passed by Congress, signed into law by Obama, upheld by the Supreme Court, and regulated by Cruella Sebelius.

Americans need to learn that elections DO have consequences and they must bear responsibility for them.

Let the pain rain…hard.

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Hmmmmmmmm …

I think Ken has been “borrowing” the flux capacitor again.

0_o

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2013 at 10:44 PM

So if a party can hold everything, they have no voice.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Speaker John Boehner told Republicans they had “fought the good fight”

NO. YOU. DIDN’T.

You let FEAR control you.

You never understood that we exceeded the debt limit FIVE MONTHS AGO when Treasury started borrowing from “extraordinary measures”.

You never understood that October 17th was an arbitrary deadline, set by Obama’s Treasury Secretary.

You never understood that we would NOT default tomorrow.

You let FEAR, of a FALSE thread of default, lead you to believe that the only two options were to accept the Senate bill or default tomorrow. That was a FALSE CHOICE.

You could have voted to suspend the debt limit by 2 weeks.

Sure, the “Total Public Debt Outstanding” reported by the Treasury Department would spike up by OVER HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS (which is going to happen now, anyway), but you could have put the “boogey man” threat of default to bed, because even if things weren’t resolved in the next two weeks, the Democrats would not be able to threaten default because “extraordinary measures” could kick in anew for another several months.

You did NOT “fight the good fight”. You CAVED to FEAR of FALSE THREATS. You let Democrats rape you and rape this country.

And now you try to tell yourselves that you did the right thing.

Taurus Fimus!

ITguy on October 16, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Well, even the most ignorant amongst us, and our trolls, know who owns that stinking pile of horseshit called obamacare.
Ayotte, McCain, Corker, Graham need to be burned off like ticks.

RovesChins on October 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Boehner fell for the False Dilemma.

Faced with a choice between passing Harry Reid’s bill vs. default, Boehner chose to pass Harry Reid’s bill.

But we would NOT have defaulted tomorrow!

Why wouldn’t we have defaulted tomorrow?

Reason 1: The “X date” was not October 17th. The Bipartisan Policy Center estimates that somewhere between October 22 and November 1 is when “Treasury will have exhausted all its extraordinary measures and run out of cash on hand“.

Reason 2: Even when we hit the “X date”, there is plenty of revenue coming in to pay the interest on our debt (Why Default Won’t Happen), and we would only default if Obama CHOSE to default.

I’m pissed that Boehner just broke the Hastert rule to let Democrats help the Republican establishment pass Harry Reid’s bill because he was full of FEAR about something that wasn’t even real!

Boehner is the epitome of THE STUPID PARTY in action.

ITguy on October 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM

“We all agree Obamacare is an abomination. We all agree taxes are too high. We all agree spending is too high. We all agree Washington is getting in the way of job growth. We all agree we have a real debt crisis that will cripple future generations. We all agree on these fundamental conservative principles. … We must not confuse tactics with principles. The differences between us are dwarfed by the differences we have with the Democratic Party, and we can do more for the American people united,” he told them.

Sometimes, when I’m smoking a cigarette after marathon sex with my girlfriend, I think about how deeply I care about my commitment to my wife. I think it’s that commitment, the seriousness of it to me, that defines me as as the virtuous man I am.

Axe on October 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM

“It’d be a good idea if they stopped referring to other Republicans as Hitler appeasers because they opposed the strategy they put forward which failed,” Norquist says.

How did the GOP lifers refer to the Tea Party again? Hello? Hey, why so silent?

Adios, GOP, say hi to the Whigs when you land in the dustbin.

Bishop on October 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM

The Party Formerly Known as the GOP (designation to be dertermined in divorce court) is about as united as one white athletic sock and one black dress sock.

Steve Eggleston on October 16, 2013 at 10:49 PM

I would have been first but kasino with a c got me stuck in the modulator.

I’m still stuck part way in the modulator. I freed my leg but it got chomped off by a kerfuffle shark.

SparkPlug on October 16, 2013 at 10:49 PM

I am for implementing Obamacare EXACTLY as it was written, passed by Congress, signed into law by Obama, upheld by the Supreme Court, and regulated by Cruella Sebelius.

Americans need to learn that elections DO have consequences and they must bear responsibility for them.

Let the pain rain…hard.

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 10:44 PM

^ Reiterating my commitment to this position.

Axe on October 16, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Decisions … decisions

Wait here so I’ve got a front row seat for the drawing and quartering?

or

Go let the cat in the back door, give her kibbles, let her out the front door with a warning not to let the deer step on her, let her sister cat up from the basement (poor thing has mental issues – reminds me of our trolls) & give her kibbles, then put her back in the basement … only to come back here & discover I missed the gory parts?

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Peter King and Johnny Mc have finally changed the way I will vote…thanks guys for opening my eyes…finally.

d1carter on October 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM

“It’d be a good idea if they stopped referring to other Republicans as Hitler appeasers because they opposed the strategy they put forward which failed,” Norquist says.

So sayeth ‘Open Borders & Islamofascist Suck Up Grover’ – soon to be available for Christmas on your local Dollar Store shelf…next to ‘Trickle Me Up, President Obama! Elmo.’

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Contact your state officials and tell them to implement ACA as written. Let the bleed occur.

Midwestprincesse on October 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM

So if a party can can’t hold everything, they have no voice.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM

The “Total Public Debt Outstanding” reported by the Treasury Department will now spike up by OVER HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWvRLfhCAAAG2hB.png:large

$17.25T – $16.7T = $0.55T

ITguy on October 16, 2013 at 10:52 PM

What time does Axe get drawn & quartered for last night’s offenses?

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Right after we finish our Zima and chips. We might be able to chop him up into 8ths.

SparkPlug on October 16, 2013 at 10:52 PM

“These are the people who said, ‘Plan: Step One, Invade Iraq. Step Two, It turns into Kansas,’” Norquist says. “Could I ask if there’s anything in between Step One and Step Two? ‘Oh ye of little faith.’”

Strawman much?

cs89 on October 16, 2013 at 10:53 PM

The RNC I fear is going to have to spend $$$ to defend Cornyn in Texas now. They’re not getting it from me because I plan to not donate to either. Wendy Davis should have gone for US Senate, silly woman. I cringe when I hear his radio ads now.

Marcus on October 16, 2013 at 10:53 PM

I would have been first but kasino with a c got me stuck in the modulator.

I’m still stuck part way in the modulator. I freed my leg but it got chomped off by a kerfuffle shark.

SparkPlug on October 16, 2013 at 10:49 PM

:):) –

C@sino: Bad

Shit: Good

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 9:11 PM

“Interestingly, the cult they started had a massive following, because the holy rules were so simple.”

Axe on October 16, 2013 at 9:17 PM

^ C’mon. That was hilarious. :) I got nothing, but that was hilarious, right?

Axe on October 16, 2013 at 10:53 PM

The GOP will not allow ObamaCare to fail…

d1carter on October 16, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Here are the House Republicans the Speaker is naming to serve on the House-Senate conference committee:

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), Chairman of the House Budget Committee
Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK)
Rep. Tom Price (R-GA)
Rep. Diane Black (R-TN)

- See more at: http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/speaker-boehner-announces-republican-budget-negotiators#sthash.LePO1KRG.dpuf

CoffeeLover on October 16, 2013 at 10:53 PM

What time does Axe get drawn & quartered for last night’s offenses?

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2013 at 10:43 PM

What did I do last night?

Axe on October 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM

they hurt people’s health care

So, Norquist is officially in support of Obamacare now. Makes sense. The 50 million new folks he wants to legalize support it too.

xblade on October 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM

How did the GOP lifers refer to the Tea Party again? Hello? Hey, why so silent?

Adios, GOP, say hi to the Whigs when you land in the dustbin.

Bishop on October 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM

The situation, at least among the lifers, is more akin to the dissolution of the Federalist Party. Once their effort to create El PRL out of Mexicam immigrants (both legal and suddenly-legal) fails, they’ll do what the Federalists did and join the Rats to try to create a supermajority party.

Steve Eggleston on October 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM

d1carter on October 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM

McCain has gone full Donk while also being a weasel.

SparkPlug on October 16, 2013 at 10:55 PM

What did I do last night?

Axe on October 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Arson to my man’s place and destruction of property!

bazil9 on October 16, 2013 at 10:55 PM

“They hurt the conservative movement, they hurt people’s health care, they hurt the country’s economic situation and they hurt the Republican party,” he says.

Never trusted this Norquist. He seemed like a fraud from the start. His open mouth here confirms my suspicion.

rickv404 on October 16, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Here are the House Republicans the Speaker is naming to serve on the House-Senate conference committee:

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), Chairman of the House Budget Committee
Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK)
Rep. Tom Price (R-GA)
Rep. Diane Black (R-TN)

- See more at: http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/speaker-boehner-announces-republican-budget-negotiators#sthash.LePO1KRG.dpuf

CoffeeLover on October 16, 2013 at 10:53 PM

It’s already rigged for total surrender, even if it were the pre-2012 Ryan on the committee.

Steve Eggleston on October 16, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Instead, after Speaker John Boehner told Republicans they had “fought the good fight,” they all rose up to offer a standing ovation.

And this is how the division of powers in the Constitution dies – not with a bang or a whimper, but with a standing ovation.

Midas on October 16, 2013 at 10:56 PM

“These are the people who said, ‘Plan: Step One, Invade Iraq. Step Two, It turns into Kansas,’” Norquist says. “Could I ask if there’s anything in between Step One and Step Two? ‘Oh ye of little faith.’”

Someone omitted Grover Norquist’s closing remark when he screamed out, “Allāhu Akbar!”

Lourdes on October 16, 2013 at 10:56 PM

What time does Axe get drawn & quartered for last night’s offenses?

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2013 at 10:43 PM

What did I do last night?

Axe on October 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Doesn’t matter.
I get a leg.

RovesChins on October 16, 2013 at 10:57 PM

The GOP will not allow ObamaCare to fail…

d1carter on October 16, 2013 at 10:53 PM

After all, its most-recent nominee is PlaceboCare’s godfather.

Steve Eggleston on October 16, 2013 at 10:57 PM

PorkNado !!

faraway on October 16, 2013 at 10:57 PM

Now the incredible suffering from Obamacare will continue and will only get worse… This is the only way that some people, a tiny minority, who voted for Obama and the democrats will switch and vote Republicans, but a enough of a tiny minority to keep Republicans controlling the House and making some gains in the Senate… Obama and the democrats have only won a Trojan Horse… Let them defend this super disaster all the way until elections day 2014…

mnjg on October 16, 2013 at 10:57 PM

bazil9 on October 16, 2013 at 10:55 PM

B9B9

Yep. Oh wait. You mean Ken or me?

SparkPlug on October 16, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Let the pain rain…hard.

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Well said!

KCB on October 16, 2013 at 10:58 PM

After all, its most-recent nominee is PlaceboCare’s godfather.

Steve Eggleston on October 16, 2013 at 10:57 PM

Yup…it makes it easier to control the masses….

d1carter on October 16, 2013 at 10:58 PM

SparkPlug on October 16, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Both. Plus he caused you much mental anguish.

bazil9 on October 16, 2013 at 10:58 PM

It’s already rigged for total surrender, even if it were the pre-2012 Ryan on the committee.

Steve Eggleston on October 16, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Sadly I know you are right. I expect nothing good if they even can come up with something. Super Committee Failed, Simpson Bowles Failed and Gang of 8 Failed.

CoffeeLover on October 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM

PorkNado !!

faraway on October 16, 2013 at 10:57 PM

Sweet. :) And so it shall be, Porknado.

Axe on October 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM

The “Total Public Debt Outstanding” reported by the Treasury Department will now spike up by OVER HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWvRLfhCAAAG2hB.png:large

$17.25T – $16.7T = $0.55T

ITguy on October 16, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Hey there, homophobe, Utopia isn’t cheap. Read a math book once in a while, yeah?

Bishop on October 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM

“They hurt the conservative movement, they hurt people’s health care, they hurt the country’s economic situation and they hurt the Republican party,” he says.

Never trusted this Norquist. He seemed like a fraud from the start. His open mouth here confirms my suspicion.

rickv404 on October 16, 2013 at 10:56 PM

DITTO.

Notice that Norquist is always circling like a buzzard over any available carcass that he can use to suggest “some Conservatives are deceased.”

Lourdes on October 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Get bent, Noonan. That is all.

SailorMark on October 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM

The McConnell Shark will eat your grandkids’ legs off for $3 Billion.

faraway on October 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Can you imagine going to Johnny Mc’s office to apply for a death panel waiver..?

d1carter on October 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM

“These are the people who said, ‘Plan: Step One, Invade Iraq. Step Two, It turns into Kansas,’” Norquist says.

Really? Because I could have sworn the John McCain/Lindsay Graham/Pete King crowd opposed the “defunders”.

xblade on October 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM

We must not confuse tactics with principles. The differences between us are dwarfed by the differences we have with the Democratic Party, and we can do more for the American people united,” he told them.

We must not confuse propaganda with truth. The divide is not between Democrats and Republicans, it’s between the corrupt boom-town known as Washington DC verses the American people. In fact the D and R establishment in Washington DC has far more in common with each other than they do with the American people, as evidenced by their lies and deceit over the past few weeks.

FloatingRock on October 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM

d1carter on October 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM

McCain has gone full Donk while also being a weasel.

SparkPlug on October 16, 2013 at 10:55 PM

The only thing I want to hear from him is he’s dead or retiring.

RovesChins on October 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Let the pain rain…hard.

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Cue Clubber Lang.

Steve Eggleston on October 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Should have defaulted, just to see what happens. It couldn’t get any worse, that’s for sure. I love the idea of the US government losing its credit rating, although I can’t even imagine what that means in reality. They go trillions of dollars in debt and then borrow more to pay off some creditors on the trillions, and this gives the US government a triple A rating. Ending the borrowing and decreasing the debt causes credit rating to implode, according to them.

Maybe I’m stupid and it all makes perfect sense to everyone else.

If you are going to perpetrate a hoax, make it so massive and so all encompassing and so central to everyone’s lives that no one will be able to recognize it.

Buddahpundit on October 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM

PorkNado !!

faraway on October 16, 2013 at 10:57 PM

Sweet. :) And so it shall be, Porknado.

Axe on October 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM

It’s not an accurate term for ‘it’ since it removes “Obama” and “Democrats” and “crazed destructors of the USA” out of it.

Lourdes on October 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM

The GOP will not allow ObamaCare to fail…

d1carter on October 16, 2013 at 10:53 PM

They cannot when they only control the House and they should not… Why allowing this disaster to fail when it is only way to let people understand how bad Obama and his socialists are…

mnjg on October 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM

bazil9 on October 16, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Indeed. It’s even hard for me to enjoy flan without having PTSD flashbacks. You will have to hold me tight.

SparkPlug on October 16, 2013 at 11:01 PM

It is a fu*king disgrace. A republican speaker needs democratic votes to pass a democratic bill that ruins the country. It’s time to form a conservative party. Can you imagine we have azzwipe rino’s attacking tea party conservatives and French kissing Obama.

Need anymore proof that we need a new party! Boner and the rest of his leadership all su*k. except for cruz & lee I gave up on the senate gop long ago.

Danielvito on October 16, 2013 at 11:01 PM

“It’d be a good idea if they stopped referring to other Republicans as Hitler appeasers because they opposed the strategy they put forward which failed,” Norquist says.

Hitler and the Muslims were buddies. Grover would have fit in.

bw222 on October 16, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Get bent, Noonan. That is all.

SailorMark on October 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM

They all have to go. It’s not just the politicians. But, look who owns Hot Air now. Have been shopping for emergency Conservative digs awhile now, but it’s not simple.

Axe on October 16, 2013 at 11:03 PM

The GOP will not allow ObamaCare to fail…

d1carter on October 16, 2013 at 10:53 PM

They cannot when they only control the House and they should not… Why allowing this disaster to fail when it is only way to let people understand how bad Obama and his socialists are…

mnjg on October 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Have you ever known Obama and all those Democrats to ever acknowledge personal responsibility for the bad outcomes of their “ideas”? They never will, it’s not something that they can ever manage and aren’t willing to do, ever.

They’ll continue to blame THEIR liabilities and bad outcomes from THEIR bad ideas, destructive beliefs, onto “Republicans.” Or some variety of the Right.

The Right MUST stop reacting to the Left’s irrational blame-shifting onto the Right and just stop assisting the Left’s failed, destructive plans and ideas.

Lourdes on October 16, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Leave the govt shutdown if Obamacare can’t be defunded. They go to all this trouble for nothing. Key parts of the partially shutdown govt were starting to reopen, like National Parks etc, and Republicans were on track to win the shutdown vs Obamacare fight. All we had to do was for the House not to fund Obamacare and Obamacare would have shriveled on the vine. Now the House is going to vote to fund Obamacare?

By the way, there’s still time to rebuke the senate, and for the House to pass a clean debt limit rise, let’s say until 12/31/2014. But leave the govt shutdown until the issue of Obamacare funding can be resolved.

Why is there time? Because I hear that the impact of not passing the debt limit increase would slowly start to take effect over time. So, the House can pass something, can force the senate to go back to the drawing board and pass a clean debt limit rise, and leave the govt CR aspect out of it.

anotherJoe on October 16, 2013 at 11:04 PM

On screen now: 84 Republicans, “YEA”…

Lourdes on October 16, 2013 at 11:04 PM

What about Blogmocracy, I tried it but haven’t been a regular yet.

Bishop on October 16, 2013 at 11:04 PM

The GOPe isn’t very awe inspiring theses days. This level of incompetence has to be on purpose.

SparkPlug on October 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM

At least now the lefties can head over to the Vietnam Wall and take a dump on it without needing to first ask permission from their fellow brownshirts.

Bishop on October 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM

“Thus spoke the Lord: this is not the Lord’s work,” yelled out by Senate stenographer during voting.

This, indeed, did happen.

Stenographer, referred to as “normally very quiet, good employee” burst forth with that WORD.

Lourdes on October 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM

PorkNado !!
faraway on October 16, 2013 at 10:57 PM

Sweet. :) And so it shall be, Porknado.

Axe on October 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM

It’s not an accurate term for ‘it’ since it removes “Obama” and “Democrats” and “crazed destructors of the USA” out of it.

Lourdes on October 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM

You cannot be serious.
PORKNADO!!!!

RovesChins on October 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM

The dems are NOT gonna retake the house for crying out loud. But the there are gonna be a few less moderate d-bags in there.

Jack_Burton on October 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Have you ever known Obama and all those Democrats to ever acknowledge personal responsibility for the bad outcomes of their “ideas”? They never will, it’s not something that they can ever manage and aren’t willing to do, ever.

They’ll continue to blame THEIR liabilities and bad outcomes from THEIR bad ideas, destructive beliefs, onto “Republicans.” Or some variety of the Right.

The Right MUST stop reacting to the Left’s irrational blame-shifting onto the Right and just stop assisting the Left’s failed, destructive plans and ideas.

Lourdes on October 16, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Sure they will and 95% of those who voted for them before will vote for them in 2014… However the 5% who will not be that stupid to blame Obamacare disaster on Republicans will switch their vote to the Republicans… In other word this 5% is enough to defeat Obama and the democrats in 2014…

mnjg on October 16, 2013 at 11:07 PM

What did I do last night?

Axe on October 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM

uhmmm ….

Felony plagiarism (used to behead people for that, they did)

Arson (you would have gotten away with it if you hadn’t provided the color commentary AS you were doing it)

Obscene utterances (this one’s trumped up, you are never “scene” so how can they prove their case?)

Poaching a deer in the King’s Forest (you should have just come over to my place – you can club the silly buggers while standing ON the porch)

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2013 at 11:07 PM

She added that the tea party should “consider whether they want to be the name-callers of the drama,” noting that the conservative grassroots has a penchant for calling Republicans who disagree with their approaches “RINOs” and “the surrender caucus.”

“Hecklers,” Kissel added.

“Dumb stuff,” Noonan agreed. “Stop it. You’re grown up. You’re big people in a big drama that may be a big evolution. Sit down. Get along. Work it out.”

Oh, I’m sorry – did the ‘wacko birds’ and ‘hobbits’ misbehave. Awww.

F*ck off, surrender monkeys.

Midas on October 16, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Sometimes, when I’m smoking a cigarette after marathon sex with my girlfriend, I think about how deeply I care about my commitment to my wife. I think it’s that commitment, the seriousness of it to me, that defines me as as the virtuous man I am.

Axe on October 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Thats perfect right there.

Mimzey on October 16, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Aaron Schock is now calling the Tea Party the Insane Caucus.

Wow.

What in the world…

Midwestprincesse on October 16, 2013 at 11:08 PM

Drowning In Tears – Moore

Let me see…there’s a regular here who warned us all about the GOP….who was it? Popular fellow….wears a fedora.

THE GOP WILL BETRAY YOU.~ Dire Straits :)

thatsafactjack on October 16, 2013 at 11:08 PM

question..
was the year long waver for the unions in this new deal..??
i didnt see anything on that yet ..

going2mars on October 16, 2013 at 11:08 PM

It is a fu*king disgrace. A republican speaker needs democratic votes to pass a democratic bill that ruins the country. It’s time to form a conservative party. Can you imagine we have azzwipe rino’s attacking tea party conservatives and French kissing Obama.

Need anymore proof that we need a new party! Boner and the rest of his leadership all su*k. except for cruz & lee I gave up on the senate gop long ago.

Danielvito on October 16, 2013 at 11:01 PM

I concur. Me too.

SparkPlug on October 16, 2013 at 11:09 PM

The dems are NOT gonna retake the house for crying out loud. But the there are gonna be a few less moderate d-bags in there.

Jack_Burton on October 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM

I’m still on the fence here.

I can quite easily see double digit swathes of what used to be the conservative core of the GOP base simply staying home and letting the GOP disintegrate.

Midas on October 16, 2013 at 11:09 PM

“Their allegiance is not to the members in the conference. Their allegiance is not to the leadership team and to conservative values,”

That’s right, Boustany, their allegiance is to their constituents back home and the American people, not your K-street cronies and DC insiders.

I’ve added a sub-folder in my bookmarks menu under ‘Primary Races’ for Boustany. I’ve added several new names in the past few weeks.

FloatingRock on October 16, 2013 at 11:09 PM

The McConnell Shark will eat your grandkids’ legs off for $3 Billion.

faraway on October 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM

McConnell’s behavior is creepy. And disgusting. Truly despicable scurrilousness.

Lourdes on October 16, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Should have defaulted, just to see what happens. It couldn’t get any worse, that’s for sure. I love the idea of the US government losing its credit rating, although I can’t even imagine what that means in reality. They go trillions of dollars in debt and then borrow more to pay off some creditors on the trillions, and this gives the US government a triple A rating. Ending the borrowing and decreasing the debt causes credit rating to implode, according to them.

Maybe I’m stupid and it all makes perfect sense to everyone else.

If you are going to perpetrate a hoax, make it so massive and so all encompassing and so central to everyone’s lives that no one will be able to recognize it.

Buddahpundit on October 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Did you live through 1979? That level of interest rates, after the “accidental” default blamed on a word processor after one of the Peanut Farmer-era shutdowns, is the optimist side of what we would see from an intentional default.

The pessimist side? The Weimar Republic, or perhaps Zimbabwe.

Steve Eggleston on October 16, 2013 at 11:09 PM

The McConnell Shark will eat your grandkids’ legs off for $3 Billion.

faraway on October 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM

McConnell’s behavior is creepy. And disgusting. Truly despicable scurrilousness.

Lourdes on October 16, 2013 at 11:09 PM

AND what I think is motivator there for McConnell’s scurrilousness is Google. In Kentucky. Almost certainly put a lot of pressure on him “to comply.”

Lourdes on October 16, 2013 at 11:10 PM

“We all agree Obamacare is an abomination. We all agree taxes are too high. We all agree spending is too high. We all agree Washington is getting in the way of job growth. We all agree we have a real debt crisis that will cripple future generations. We all agree on these fundamental conservative principles.”

You might “agree” but you, obviously, don’t take any of that seriously. You don’t understand how important these issues are and how they have been lost – thanks in good part to you azzholes colluding with the dems on violating these principles you claim to hold.

” … We must not confuse tactics with principles. The differences between us are dwarfed by the differences we have with the Democratic Party, and we can do more for the American people united,” he told them.

You just gave the dems exactly what they wanted. You proved that there’s no space between you, worm, and the dems.

What a bunch of slugs these cowards are. Someone pour some salt on them, already.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 16, 2013 at 11:10 PM

B9!!!

KCB on October 16, 2013 at 10:42 PM

LOL!
…how many Bishops have I seen that on?
(:->)

KOOLAID2 on October 16, 2013 at 11:10 PM

Does Boner instill confidence- NO!
Does McConnell instill confidence- NO!
Does the RNC instill confidence- NO!

WE HAVE 84 RINO’S IN THE HOUSE- WE NEED TO PRIMARY ALL OF THEM- Take Names!

WE HAVE 27 RINO’S IN THE SENATE- PRIMARY ALL OF THEM!

If the establishment money doesn’t give us a chance, form a new party so they CAN’T WIN EITHER!

Danielvito on October 16, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Felony plagiarism (used to behead people for that, they did)

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2013 at 11:07 PM

That was Sparky. Just like Progtards, Sparky never takes responsibility for his actions and is always look to shift the blame…mainly to Axie, Baby!

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Aaron Schock is now calling the Tea Party the Insane Caucus.

Midwestprincesse on October 16, 2013 at 11:08 PM

Meh. Aaron Schock is a treasonous douchebag so what he thinks doesn’t matter in the least.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 16, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Peter King just said that he was a Reagan Conservative.

What in the world…

Midwestprincesse on October 16, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Arson to my man’s place and destruction of property!

bazil9 on October 16, 2013 at 10:55 PM

O yeah. :) That was before

–That was before. :)

It was Ken’s hut I burned down, but I fixed it up.

I’m done with the glade. You guys can keep playing if you want — of course; I just mean, as far as I’m concerned; this isn’t a jihad or something on all things glade. I can’t really explain this out here, but — I should say it has nothing to do with SparkPlug’s completely understandable infatuation with my girl’s feet, or anything to do with her at all — she’s perfect.

Anyway, I’m out. I wish I could say explain.

Axe on October 16, 2013 at 11:13 PM

I DON’T CARE ANYMORE! I DON’T CARE ANYMORE! I DON’T CARE ANYMORE!

THEY CAN ALL GO TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!

Barred on October 16, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Thats perfect right there.

Mimzey on October 16, 2013 at 11:07 PM

:)

Axe on October 16, 2013 at 11:13 PM

McConnell’s spokesman said it was not their project. The request came from a sub committee. Yeah. This is what lifers get when they “fight the good fight”. Schumer loves Mitch now.

d1carter on October 16, 2013 at 11:14 PM

say

Axe on October 16, 2013 at 11:14 PM

So,

there is going to be another Do-Over come spring eh!!

canopfor on October 16, 2013 at 11:14 PM

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