Deal watch: Just the “I”s and “T”s left?

posted at 8:01 am on October 16, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Overnight, Senate leaders Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid have apparently finalized a deal, ABC’s Jon Karl reports from Capitol Hill, after the collapse of a final push from Speaker John Boehner to float a House alternative. The pact would extend both the debt ceiling and government operations for “a few months,” presumably after the first of the year, while Congress debates the rest of the FY2014 budget. But is there enough time on the legislative calendar to pass it in time for tomorrow’s deadline?

NBC reported earlier today that the agreement is all but complete. McConnell’s office said it was in the hands of “the nerds”:

Key Senate leaders have resumed their on-again off-again talks after putting the negotiations on ice early Tuesday. By late Tuesday, ongoing talks between Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Republican Minority Leader Mitch McConnell appeared to be down to the dotting of I’s and the crossing of T’s. “The nerds have to work,” McConnell spokesman Don Stewart said, referring to legislative staffers that are now writing the details. But, while McConnell and Reid will be armed with decades of experience and a keen understanding of procedure, Senate rules could still allow Tea Party favorite Sen. Ted Cruz or other dissenters to slow the consideration of the bill until after the Thursday deadline.

That’s the worry from the leadership point of view, but would Lee or Cruz bother?  The collapse of the House GOP effort last night means that there won’t be an alternative to the Senate bill at all, and certainly not one in time to head off a big public-relations nightmare for the caucus rebels. This is almost certainly going to be the least-bad solution, and both can use the extra time it affords to keep fighting for their own priorities.  I’d be surprised if a call for unanimous consent gets denied today.

The Wall Street Journal says enough is enough, and it’s time to end the parade of bumbling:

We should add that House Republicans also blundered in refusing to accept the Senate proposal to delay a reinsurance tax of about $60 a year per insured person. Democrats originally passed this tax to help float ObamaCare’s exchanges. Insurers pay the per capita fee, which they can pass along to consumers in higher premiums, and the fee goes to a fund that then pays back the insurers if they end up with a mix of patients with higher than average claims.

House Republicans objected to the delay in the tax because unions supported the delay for their own insurance plans, but that was short-sighted. Senate Democrats were willing to delay the tax for a year to please labor and in return agree to better income verification for Americans who apply for ObamaCare subsidies. So out of political pique, House Republicans opposed two ways to make ObamaCare less destructive. Senate Republicans should try to retain it in their compromise.

This is the quality of thinking—or lack thereof—that has afflicted many GOP conservatives from the beginning of this budget showdown. They picked a goal they couldn’t achieve in trying to defund ObamaCare from one House of Congress, and then they picked a means they couldn’t sustain politically by pursuing a long government shutdown and threatening to blow through the debt limit. …

The Beltway budget melodrama rolls on to its predictable and dreary end, with both sides now split over increasingly small differences. None of this is worth a partial government shutdown, much less the risk of a debt default, and both sides are looking like losers. Let’s get it over with.

With the ObamaCare defunding measures a long-lost issue, there’s no particular reason to insist on a deadline of today to deal with all of the other budget problems that Republicans tried to substitute for their original defunding-strategy goal.  The best way to beat ObamaCare now is to make sure everyone has an unobstructed view of its implementation and costs.


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Not happy but energized…

Fortitude!

mjbrooks3 on October 16, 2013 at 8:08 AM

Perhaps an intervention is called for. Congress needs to attend “Spendaholics Anonymous”

Roy Rogers on October 16, 2013 at 8:08 AM

The best way to beat ObamaCare now is to make sure everyone has an unobstructed view of its implementation and costs.

Et Tu, Ed? I never took you for this much of a surrender monkey.

Fact of the matter is that this is the perfect time to clean house. If Boehner pushes through the Senate bill which gives the lazy stupid coward everything he has demanded with nothing in return then Boehner needs to go.

Happy Nomad on October 16, 2013 at 8:08 AM

The best way to beat ObamaCare now is to make sure everyone has an unobstructed view of its implementation and costs.

If that strategy worked, Detroit wouldn’t still be 100% controlled by Democrats.

happytobehere on October 16, 2013 at 8:08 AM

So out of political pique, House Republicans opposed two ways to make ObamaCare less destructive.

Those damn Tea Partiers, getting in the way of a landmine blowing our national legs off when everyone knows that the perfectly reasonable offer from the demorats would have reduced the amount of explosives by a whopping 4 ounces.

Oh, and McConnell, have you looked in the mirror ever in your life, you’re the nerd.

Bishop on October 16, 2013 at 8:08 AM

With the ObamaCare defunding measures a long-lost issue

It can’t be long-lost if it isn’t yet lost. I haven’t seen any bill pass, so it’s not over.

Pass a bill that reopens the government, raises the debt ceiling, repeals Obamacare, and attach every GOP priority to it. It’s not hard. Let the Democrats reject it and let default ensue.

Stoic Patriot on October 16, 2013 at 8:09 AM

UGH – time to clean house.

A few can stay – the rest need to go.

gophergirl on October 16, 2013 at 8:09 AM

And what, pray tell, is in this deal?

Syzygy on October 16, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Boehner needs to go.

Happy Nomad on October 16, 2013 at 8:08 AM

I think he’s gone already

gophergirl on October 16, 2013 at 8:10 AM

I’m bored. What’s the next emergency?

forest on October 16, 2013 at 8:13 AM

I think he’s gone already

gophergirl on October 16, 2013 at 8:10 AM

I hope you’re right.

Happy Nomad on October 16, 2013 at 8:14 AM

The best way to beat ObamaCare now is to make sure everyone has an unobstructed view of its implementation and costs.

Anyone advocating this is advocating single payer intentionally.

bgibbs1000 on October 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM

The screencap is actually a live video feed of McConnell and Reid in action.

No wonder everyone else left.

Bishop on October 16, 2013 at 8:17 AM

it will be interesting to see if boehner brings the senate bill to floor.

a perfect time to topple the fool.

renalin on October 16, 2013 at 8:18 AM

I’m bored. What’s the next emergency?

forest on October 16, 2013 at 8:13 AM

This IS the next emergency. They’re just kicking the can down the road yet again.

Doughboy on October 16, 2013 at 8:18 AM

Im to the point where Id rather see most of Congress/Senate, the establishment GOP just go ahead and change partys. Call yourselves Democrats now. They’re not much different from them when it comes down to it.

bucsox79 on October 16, 2013 at 8:19 AM

I don’t understand the House opposition to the fee and the tax repeal.

p0s3r on October 16, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Senate Democrats were willing to delay the tax for a year to please labor and in return agree to better income verification for Americans who apply for ObamaCare subsidies.

what the hell does “better income verification” mean? its either verified or it isn’t which makes this comment the joke of the essay…

The best way to beat ObamaCare now is to make sure everyone has an unobstructed view of its implementation and costs.

Every dem knows to lie and declare they earn under $45,000.

DanMan on October 16, 2013 at 8:22 AM

And what, pray tell, is in this deal?

Syzygy on October 16, 2013 at 8:09 AM

A wild guess: Everything Obama and Reid wanted, nothing they didn’t want.

neuquenguy on October 16, 2013 at 8:22 AM

With the ObamaCare defunding measures a long-lost issue, there’s no particular reason to insist on a deadline of today to deal with all of the other budget problems that Republicans tried to substitute for their original defunding-strategy goal. The best way to beat ObamaCare now is to make sure everyone has an unobstructed view of its implementation and costs.

HELL NO.

Ed gives up so easily.

bluegill on October 16, 2013 at 8:23 AM

The best way to beat ObamaCare now is to make sure everyone has an unobstructed view of its implementation and costs.

You speak as if there was still a two party system. I think we’ve seen that’s not true. The best way to beat Obamacare now is bow your head and join the party. The progressive retrograde fascists spank.

onomo on October 16, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Don’t raise the debt ceiling and force the monstrosity in Washington to prioritize. Enough with this insanity. And enough with sackless Republicans and the spineless people who carry water for them.

tyketto on October 16, 2013 at 8:25 AM

By all means: Implement in fully so that people are crippled financially… GREAT idea. Let’s purposely harm Americans for political points.

tyketto on October 16, 2013 at 8:26 AM

So the Democrats wanted to give unions a waiver from the mandate to score political points but stick individuals with the mandate on the non-working websites and the Wall Street Journal blames the GOP for not kowtowing to that?

Without a peep that this is year 3 that we have no constitutionally mandated federal budget and will just continue with the budget from 2010 that includes massive amounts of stimulus money to solve the economic crisis of 2010?!

And now the press once again portrays Reid (who refused to pass any budget bill the house republicans passed over the last 3 years) and Obama (whose budget has been voted down 100-0 for the last 3 years) as the good guys?

F you….

The Socialists hold this nation hostage and are winning.

Disobedience to tyranny is no loss in my book.

Skywise on October 16, 2013 at 8:28 AM

The best way to beat ObamaCare now is to make sure everyone has an unobstructed view of its implementation and costs.

The BEST way would be to leave the debt ceiling alone and force obama to fund this monstrosity within a balanced budget.

Ronnie on October 16, 2013 at 8:28 AM

The best way to beat ObamaCare now is to make sure everyone has an unobstructed view of its implementation and costs.

That’s interesting, Ed. IIRC, you were championing the delay strategy which would not have allowed for “an unobstructed view of its implementation and costs”. The defund strategy, whether “quioxtic” or not, was about stopping this mess from happening at all. Now, that’s failed and full scale pain has to be the answer. Unfortunately, OCare is here to stay regardless. The GOP will ultimately be onboard with a never-ending series of “fixes” and the repeal mantra will die a slow death.

Bitter Clinger on October 16, 2013 at 8:29 AM

Wonderful- Another deal to spend more money and entitlement.

Tell me again what the difference is between the parties.

melle1228 on October 16, 2013 at 8:30 AM

This IS the next emergency. They’re just kicking the can down the road yet again.

Doughboy on October 16, 2013 at 8:18 AM

Oh, right, just a few months until we have more of this. Terrific.

Since the MSM has been blaming the catastrophic debt on the people who have been warning of catastrophic debt an advocating for less spending, maybe they can stay busy over the next 3 months blaming the failures of Obamacare on the people who opposed it and warned of its myriad failures.

forest on October 16, 2013 at 8:30 AM

The pact would extend both the debt ceiling and government operations for “a few months,” presumably after the first of the year, while Congress debates the rest of the FY2014 budget.

Oh, goody. In “a few months” we’ll be right back here all over again watching what kind of cave the GOP will pull off.

Bitter Clinger on October 16, 2013 at 8:32 AM

Keep this showdown in mind.

Come 2016 this will be the reason we will be told a “moderate” conservative must be nominated for the presidential race.

gwelf on October 16, 2013 at 8:32 AM

Don’t raise the debt ceiling and force the monstrosity in Washington to prioritize. Enough with this insanity. And enough with sackless Republicans and the spineless people who carry water for them.

tyketto on October 16, 2013 at 8:25 AM

As unpredictable as the situation might be, I cannot see how the situation could be any less scary than facing the inevitable conclusion that the government cannot fulfill the $200 Trillion worth of promises it has made. We bring in around $2.5 Trillion annually of revenue which was enough for the Clinton and Bush era budgets. People were not starving or dying in the streets then, and they won’t be now. The scariest thought in Washington is the public realizing they are overpaying for stuff that doesn’t matter.

By all means: Implement in fully so that people are crippled financially… GREAT idea. Let’s purposely harm Americans for political points.

tyketto on October 16, 2013 at 8:26 AM

We know the Republicans will still be blamed despite casting no votes for this legislation. There won’t ever be full implementation because some states refuse to expand Medicaid or open their own exchanges. As such, Democrats will ALWAYS argue the law didn’t get a fair shake and therefore the Republicans are to blame. Meanwhile, the law will trample our medical system, putting insurance companies out of business one by one. Single payer will be the end result because no one will be able to afford cash only service and sick people will need welfare backed by the tax dollars of healthy people.

Repeal/defund or live with it. Those are the choices.

Flashwing on October 16, 2013 at 8:32 AM

Tell me again what the difference is between the parties.

melle1228 on October 16, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Easy:
The Dems are far better at politics and get everything they want. whether they are the majority or the minority.
The Republicans always get pawned.

neuquenguy on October 16, 2013 at 8:34 AM

So the deal is that the repubs give the dems everything they wanted? I’m really surprised. I figured the repubs would sweeten the pot by throwing in something else BO wants. Well we still have the House vote and I’m sure the repubs there can come up with something to make it better for BO.

Dr. Frank Enstine on October 16, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Wonderful- Another deal to spend more money and entitlement.

Tell me again what the difference is between the parties.

melle1228 on October 16, 2013 at 8:30 AM

One party is chock-full of sackless losers while the other is…is…crap…give me another minute to work this out.

Bishop on October 16, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Those damn Tea Partiers, getting in the way of a landmine blowing our national legs off when everyone knows that the perfectly reasonable offer from the demorats would have reduced the amount of explosives by a whopping 4 ounces.

Bishop on October 16, 2013 at 8:08 AM

I’m really tired of the “tea baggers” being blamed by the surrender monkeys for their own incompetence and fealty to the status quo. Boehner and company should have been the ones taking a hard stand and they should have done it well before now.

Louie Gohmert was on local talk radio this morning. He wouldn’t come right out and say that Boehner’s time as Speaker was coming to an end but he gave some strong hints.

Happy Nomad on October 16, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Lsm will not focus on obamacare once this is done…. gotta find a new squirrel

cmsinaz on October 16, 2013 at 8:35 AM

tomorrow’s deadline

False premise.

Democrats have consistently used manufactured deadlines and MSM countdown clocks to pressure Republicans into caving.

As the Treasury Secretary himself wrote in a letter to Speaker Boehner,

In May of this year, the U.S. government reached the statutory debt limit, and Treasury began taking certain extraordinary measures to be able to continue, on a temporary basis, to pay the nation’s bills.

There is no “debt limit” deadline… we blew through that 5 months ago.

The Bipartisan Policy Center estimates will happen somewhere between October 22 and November 1 is when “Treasury will have exhausted all its extraordinary measures and run out of cash on hand“.

So tell me, why is tomorrow a deadline?

IT’S NOT!

ITguy on October 16, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Pray tell what will happen then? The public will act just like their representatives in D.C. and pay and obey.

Cruz in ’16

Herb on October 16, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Here’s your chance Republicans…. start cutting up the credit cards… Of course, don’t hold our breath for that to happen.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 16, 2013 at 8:38 AM

The best way to beat ObamaCare now is to make sure everyone has an unobstructed view of its implementation and costs.

Ooops! Left out the quote. Early morning.

Herb on October 16, 2013 at 8:38 AM

There won’t ever be full implementation because some states refuse to expand Medicaid or open their own exchanges.
Flashwing on October 16, 2013 at 8:32

Actually, with half the states doing this, this will be the next “crisis” because it leaves many in those states with incomes below the poverty level without any health care coverage at all. They make too little for obamacare and too much for medicaid. The Dems will use this to push for a major expansion of obamacare, mark my words.

neuquenguy on October 16, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Major Garrett (ABC)-Boehner is going to put whatever comes out of the Senate in front of the House and pass it.

Complete cave. Off with his head.

Happy Nomad on October 16, 2013 at 8:41 AM

be an alternative to the Senate bill at all, and certainly not one in time to head off a big public-relations nightmare for the caucus rebels. This is almost certainly going to be the least-bad solution

Ed, you’re completely wrong about this. The house must stop the dipshit in the spitehouse from running up the tab. The government will not default.

IT’S ALL A LIE. We have to grow up and put on the daddy pants now and stop borrowing more and more money.

Also Reid must have ZeroCare.

dogsoldier on October 16, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Tell me again what the difference is between the parties.

melle1228 on October 16, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Republicans = warfare/welfare

Democrats = welfare/warfare

roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 16, 2013 at 8:42 AM

The best way to beat ObamaCare now is to make sure everyone has an unobstructed view of its implementation and costs.

When was the last time we got rid of a government entitlement program because it didn’t work? All that is going to happen is that politicians will “fix it” by making it 10 times bigger and intrusive.

neuquenguy on October 16, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Major Garrett (ABC)-Boehner is going to put whatever comes out of the Senate in front of the House and pass it.

Complete cave. Off with his head.

Happy Nomad on October 16, 2013 at 8:41 AM

If he does that, he is through. The GOP will not pass it. Pelosi said the dems won’t vote for anything. The libturds think this is a real loser for the tea party.

They are completely wrong about it. In the end the conservatives will be proven correct, when the world doesn’t end on Friday.

TheSkyIsFalling 3.0 with all the stupidity and hysteria of 2.0!

dogsoldier on October 16, 2013 at 8:44 AM

When was the last time we got rid of a government entitlement program because it didn’t work? All that is going to happen is that politicians will “fix it” by making it 10 times bigger and intrusive.

neuquenguy on October 16, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Exactly.

Bitter Clinger on October 16, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Major Garrett (ABC)-Boehner is going to put whatever comes out of the Senate in front of the House and pass it.

Complete cave. Off with his head.

Happy Nomad on October 16, 2013 at 8:41 AM

So help me understand, how is it that Boehner can pass Reid’s bill but cannot pass his own?

neuquenguy on October 16, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Didn’t we want to replace Pelosi with Boehner so that Obama could be stopped?

ctmom on October 16, 2013 at 8:47 AM

So help me understand, how is it that Boehner can pass Reid’s bill but cannot pass his own?

neuquenguy on October 16, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Never mind, haven’t had my coffee yet.

neuquenguy on October 16, 2013 at 8:48 AM

As we head toward the “Fiscal Cliff”, if you want to know who the Head Lemming is…I’ll give you a clue: His name used to be Barry Soetoro.

kingsjester on October 16, 2013 at 8:49 AM

TheSkyIsFalling 3.0 with all the stupidity and hysteria of 2.0!

dogsoldier on October 16, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Exactly.

TheSkyIsFalling 1.0 = Sequester

TheSkyIsFalling 2.0 = Start of new Fiscal Year without a budget or continuing resolution

TheSkyIsFalling 3.0 = After hitting the debt limit 5 months ago, and running on “not subject to debt limit” borrowing from “Extraordinary Measures” for 5 months, we might actually have to balance our expenditures with our revenues.

ITguy on October 16, 2013 at 8:51 AM

So help me understand, how is it that Boehner can pass Reid’s bill but cannot pass his own?

neuquenguy on October 16, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Presumably he would break the “Hastert Rule” and bring it to the floor without the support of a majority of Republicans, and pass it with a combination of Democrats and GOPestablishment members. The Tea Party members would be rightly pizzed off.

ITguy on October 16, 2013 at 8:55 AM

I’m going to go vote for Lonegan. We can still try.

ctmom on October 16, 2013 at 8:55 AM

If anyone doesn’t think we are heading for a one payer system; they need to wake up.

You must actually fill out an application for Ocare to tell you what your premiums are. That doesn’t mean you actually buy it. 51k people have signed applications- not bought it.

In order for Ocare to be successful and at least solvent- 7 MILLION must sign up for it. I will never happen.

When Ocare goes down, we will be inundated by people going to lose their insurance because of the failure. Which will lead to the next step one payer system. And GOP traitors who want to appear compassionate will go right along with it.

melle1228 on October 16, 2013 at 8:55 AM

…. and certainly not one in time to head off a big public-relations nightmare for the caucus rebels. ……

With “friends” like this on our side, it is a wonder why the right side didn’t just completely submit to Obama’s supreme reign from the outset.

What does the deal buy us? A short time for WHAT goal exactly? So that more people will be hooked and subjected to Obamacare to learn how bad it is?

Sir Napsalot on October 16, 2013 at 8:56 AM

So help me understand, how is it that Boehner can pass Reid’s bill but cannot pass his own?

neuquenguy on October 16, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Because he’s caving. The Senate bill will give the lazy stupid coward everything he demanded. Boehner will bring it to the floor of the House where the Dems will join with the surrender monkeys to teach those “tea baggers” a lesson.

I’m out of here. Too disgusted with the HA rah rah for caving that stupid comments like “The best way to beat ObamaCare now is to make sure everyone has an unobstructed view of its implementation and costs.” is based on.

Cruz is right that no entitlement program, once implemented is going to go anywhere. But clearly that’s fine for way too many people around this site.

Happy Nomad on October 16, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Right now this post is N/A. No one, not one knows where this will play out. There are too many players in this to know. At this moment, not even Reid, McConnell, and most of all Boehner knows. And even if they do come to agreement, there is less than 50/50 that it come to the floor of the House for a vote. But that’s not the biggest problem here. It looks like Obama will veto even if a bill passes both chambers. Many on both sides believe he wants to veto, so he can campaign against the GOP in this off year elections. As I write this no one, NO ONE, has a clue on how this will turn out.

flackcatcher on October 16, 2013 at 8:58 AM

It looks like Obama will veto even if a bill passes both chambers.

flackcatcher on October 16, 2013 at 8:58 AM

No way the lazy stupid coward vetos a bill that gets through both chambers.

Happy Nomad on October 16, 2013 at 9:02 AM

As I write this no one, NO ONE, has a clue on how this will turn out.

flackcatcher on October 16, 2013 at 8:58 AM

I do.

No matter what happens we’re screwed.

Bishop on October 16, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Right now this post is N/A. No one, not one knows where this will play out. There are too many players in this to know. At this moment, not even Reid, McConnell, and most of all Boehner knows. And even if they do come to agreement, there is less than 50/50 that it come to the floor of the House for a vote. But that’s not the biggest problem here. It looks like Obama will veto even if a bill passes both chambers. Many on both sides believe he wants to veto, so he can campaign against the GOP in this off year elections. As I write this no one, NO ONE, has a clue on how this will turn out.

flackcatcher on October 16, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Obama won’t veto it. The GOP gets nothing and a veto means he gets blamed for any so-called “default” and continuation of the shutdown.

Bitter Clinger on October 16, 2013 at 9:05 AM

If anyone doesn’t think we are heading for a one payer system; they need to wake up.

You must actually fill out an application for Ocare to tell you what your premiums are. That doesn’t mean you actually buy it. 51k people have signed applications- not bought it.

In order for Ocare to be successful and at least solvent- 7 MILLION must sign up for it. I will never happen.

When Ocare goes down, we will be inundated by people going to lose their insurance because of the failure. Which will lead to the next step one payer system. And GOP traitors who want to appear compassionate will go right along with it.

melle1228 on October 16, 2013 at 8:55 AM

This is exactly right, and as planned. Obamacare was never designed to actually work, it was just a stepping stone. The worst a disaster it is, the better for the ultimate goal.

neuquenguy on October 16, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Let me repeat, the situation is too fluid to reach any judgment at this time.(IE. We don’t have freaking clue.) So breathe people, and take a step back. No need to jump of that ledge, OK.

flackcatcher on October 16, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Because he’s caving. The Senate bill will give the lazy stupid coward everything he demanded. Boehner will bring it to the floor of the House where the Dems will join with the surrender monkeys to teach those “tea baggers” a lesson.

Happy Nomad on October 16, 2013 at 8:56 AM

not if cruz and lee slow it up and examine ad nauseum which i hope they do and explain how we have already blown thru our limit last May and october 17th is a false deadline and obama has to prioritize payments if the debt limit isn’t raised and if he doesn’t we’re gonna impeach his sorry arse.

gracie on October 16, 2013 at 9:10 AM

And GOP traitors who want to appear compassionate will go right along with it.

melle1228 on October 16, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Curiously enough they will also provide themselves an exemption.

Bishop on October 16, 2013 at 9:10 AM

who knows by the time they cave in Jan/Feb that might include another $1T stimulus package. that would be cool.

t8stlikchkn on October 16, 2013 at 9:12 AM

what’s to stop the prez from usurping the power of the house over and over and over again…like with amnesty next…or the next debt limit etc. i say try to stop it now in its tracks. we won’t have a default…recession? i don’t know…i didn’t think we climbed out of the last one.

gracie on October 16, 2013 at 9:16 AM

If anyone doesn’t think we are heading for a one payer system; they need to wake up.

You must actually fill out an application for Ocare to tell you what your premiums are. That doesn’t mean you actually buy it. 51k people have signed applications- not bought it.

In order for Ocare to be successful and at least solvent- 7 MILLION must sign up for it. I will never happen.

When Ocare goes down, we will be inundated by people going to lose their insurance because of the failure. Which will lead to the next step one payer system. And GOP traitors who want to appear compassionate will go right along with it.

melle1228 on October 16, 2013 at 8:55 AM

And the Democrats will begin the media assault on the greedy insurance companies seeking blood profits as the cause.

gwelf on October 16, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Let’s hit the pretend debt ceiling and see what happens. THAT is the Rodeo Clown’s biggest fear. More evidence that big government is useless, wasteful, lazy, and dishonest. Let’s go for it.

Rational Thought on October 16, 2013 at 9:17 AM

The best way to beat ObamaCare now is to make sure everyone has an unobstructed view of its implementation and costs.

Obamacare is designed to fail, so that we can get to single payer as quickly as possible. Obviously Ed’s not an idiot LIV, and I’m sure he knows this, so why this inane talking point about leaving Obamacare alone? The GOP establishment is pouring gasoline on the Obamacare fire in support of socialized medicine.

sauldalinsky on October 16, 2013 at 9:21 AM

The Dems are far better at politics and get everything they want. whether they are the majority or the minority.
The Republicans always get pawned.

neuquenguy on October 16, 2013 at 8:34 AM

You forgot the elephant in the room–the role the media plays–that there my friend is who owns the demise of the USA under Obama.

hillsoftx on October 16, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Bitter Clinger on October 16, 2013 at 9:05 AM

I wish you were right. But first and foremost, Obama is a campaigner. It ties into his past. Most of all, he does not like to do the work of president. Any excuse to avoid the day to day work of the chief executive is fine with him. Getting out of the White House, and on the trail (blasting those evil GOPs) works for him. Remember who we are dealing with, and never under look base motives.

flackcatcher on October 16, 2013 at 9:23 AM

So whatever the Senate does fixes everything? The House has no say in this? Then what in the world has everyone been yammering about for the last two weeks? D.C. is the stupidest place on the face of the earth.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Sorry Ed, you are dreaming again:

The best way to beat ObamaCare now is to make sure everyone has an unobstructed view of its implementation and costs.

The next shinny object will be immigration. This will be introduced as soon as the “Financial Crisis” is over and Peace and tranquility are restored to the world.

Immigration will turn into another Tea Party bashing festival by libs and RINO’s alike.

Don’t give in House Republicans. I’m sick of caving for PR reasons only. You will be called racists no matter what stance you take on any issue. This is about getting Blacks and Hispanics to vote in 2014.

Like Stuart Varney and George Will say, this country will not go into default and if it does it will be strictly by choice.

SayNo2-O on October 16, 2013 at 9:31 AM

You forgot the elephant in the room–the role the media plays–that there my friend is who owns the demise of the USA under Obama.

hillsoftx on October 16, 2013 at 9:23 AM

That is true. Not sure a democracy can last long without a healthy and honest media. For sure a single one of the many scandals and abuses of this administration would have resulted in the impeachment of a Republican president.

neuquenguy on October 16, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Single issue bills often have bi partisan support. I know you are sick of bi partisan but, where is the bill on the floor, that the democrats will force Harry Reid to bring up and not to table.

This $60 per person tax, is roundly condemned.

The Medical device tax passed a preliminary vote in the Senate 70-29, to REPEAL, not put off for two years.

Put these in a bill and pass them, without horse trading them for something else.

Who is in the way, Harry Reid who won’t bring them to the floor, and the President who won’t sign anything and never has been made to Eat His Peas. (Personally, I really like peas.)

Fleuries on October 16, 2013 at 9:31 AM

http://www.ayotte.senate.gov/?p=video&id=1133

Don’t forget that the media on both sides wants you to hate Kelly Ayotte, because she makes inroads and is a pragmatist. The Senate republicans are up against a brick wall, since they don’t have the numbers, and they have some fearful elderly men like McCain on their side.

Remember that when a plan does come out of the Senate the media will cover it as a win for the President no matter what is in it, and the things that embarrass the president, like any cuts or the sequester might not be mentioned and they will say the republicans lost no matter what we gain.

Fleuries on October 16, 2013 at 9:35 AM

I wish you were right. But first and foremost, Obama is a campaigner. It ties into his past. Most of all, he does not like to do the work of president. Any excuse to avoid the day to day work of the chief executive is fine with him. Getting out of the White House, and on the trail (blasting those evil GOPs) works for him. Remember who we are dealing with, and never under look base motives.

flackcatcher on October 16, 2013 at 9:23 AM

And he’ll get another chance to do exactly that “in a few months” when we get on this merry-go-round again. It would make no sense to veto something that both chambers (and members of both parties) voted for and does no harm to anything he cherishes. Makes more sense to do the campaiging next year.

Bitter Clinger on October 16, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Nothing is going to BOZO’s desk that he isn’t willing to sign. Period.
Pull your heads out of you butts. I embarrassed to read this crap on HA this morning.

SayNo2-O on October 16, 2013 at 9:42 AM

The best way to beat ObamaCare now is to make sure everyone has an unobstructed view of its implementation and costs.

The Dems don’t want it to work. Their “Fix” will be to blame the insurance companies and say the only way to remedy the situation is Single Payer.

Single Payer = POWER

Add Immigration “Reform” and you get Eternal Progressive Nirvana.

CableDude on October 16, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Btw – I, for one, would like to thank the Tea Partiers in the house and senate for their fight.

No they didn’t win. But before all of this, according to Democrats d their media sycophants the tea party was dead. Now Obama is accusing them of nearly succeeding in stopping Obamacare.

Quite an ability for a small, inconsequential and “dead”minority group.

Keep up the good fight guys!

Skywise on October 16, 2013 at 9:54 AM

One party is chock-full of sackless losers while the other is…is…crap…give me another minute to work this out.

Bishop on October 16, 2013 at 8:34 AM

But they are conveniently interchangeable!!

CableDude on October 16, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Nothing is going to BOZO’s desk that he isn’t willing to sign. Period.
Pull your heads out of you butts. I embarrassed to read this crap on HA this morning.

SayNo2-O on October 16, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Surrender monkey.

Happy Nomad on October 16, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Feeling sooo frustrated, atm …
Who has ever considered criticizing, ridiculing, demonizing a Suicide Hotline organization while it’s in the process of assisting their desperate child or other family member ?? Or a neighbor who’s screaming at your child who’s standing in the middle of the road, with a semi truck barreling down on him ??

Arrrggghhh.

pambi on October 16, 2013 at 9:56 AM

But they are conveniently interchangeable!!

CableDude on October 16, 2013 at 9:55 AM

I prefer to think of it as system redundancy. When a Dem isn’t available to attack the “tea baggers” they can always call on John McCain to do the job.

Happy Nomad on October 16, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Ok, so who will the next Speaker be? And who will be the next Majority Leader (hopefully) in the Senate after McConnell loses his primary?

CableDude on October 16, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Just like in the last Debt Ceiling fight, McConnell undercuts Boehner, $crewing Americans in the process and handing Obama/Liberals all they want.

You have to admire the Liberals/Obama – they have stayed completely UNITED the entire step of the way on this process, united in the belief that 1) Americans are simple, stupid sheep, 2) make a shutdown as painful as possible – inflicting suffering on the American people – while blaming the GOP, and be willing to destroy the nation to get what you want – never flinching until the GOP, who DO care about the nation, surrenders.

On the other side of the aisle, you have a brave few that want to remain faithful to their oaths of office and to the Constitution. Then you have elitist ‘Establishment’ Republicans who refuse to cooperate with each other, openly attack each other, are terified into paralysis by the Liberal tactics, and who want nothing more than to save their own personal position, power, and jobs…to the point where they are willing to betray the Constitution and everything they stand for to do so. That type of self-serving greed and divicive betrayal of their responsibility to the Constitution and to the welfare of the nation and Americans before their own gain has eroded the GOP to a hollow, un-ethical, immoral shell that can easily be manipulated and coerced.

McCain & Cronyn are ‘Poster Children’ for what the ‘GOP’ has evolved into. Boehner is a icon for incompetent leadership and for ‘caving in’. McConnell is the perfect example of a ‘commrade’ who will fight against you, will not support you, and will cut the legs out from under you as early and as often as possible…in order to affect defeat faster.

And Liberals are like sharks in the middle of a ‘feeding frenzy’, feasting on the disorganized, self-defeating, greedy, selfish Republicans.

Obama fought for HIS and/or the Liberal (/Socialist) Agenda, for 2,200 Un-Constitutional Waivers, for the soul of the nation – forcing the GOP to abandon the Constitution.

Liberals blindly supported everything Obama wanted no matter how bad for the country and fought for forcing struggling Americans to pay up to 70% of their (Millionaires) Obamacare Premiums .

The majority of the GOP fought for themselves.

…and no one fought for this nation or the American people.

easyt65 on October 16, 2013 at 10:13 AM

ITguy on October 16, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Yup.

dogsoldier on October 16, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Those damn Tea Partiers, getting in the way of a landmine blowing our national legs off when everyone knows that the perfectly reasonable offer from the demorats would have reduced the amount of explosives by a whopping 4 ounces.

Bishop on October 16, 2013 at 8:08 AM

I’m really tired of the “tea baggers” being blamed by the surrender monkeys for their own incompetence and fealty to the status quo. Boehner and company should have been the ones taking a hard stand and they should have done it well before now.

Louie Gohmert was on local talk radio this morning. He wouldn’t come right out and say that Boehner’s time as Speaker was coming to an end but he gave some strong hints.

Happy Nomad on October 16, 2013 at 8:35 AM


First, let’s put the GOPe and GOPe-media’s behavior in context:

I posted this link http://tinyurl.com/lzzpw8u repeatedly last week so Boehner & Co’s. sudden capitulation would be seen in the appropriate light – the moneymen publicly taking the GOPe leadership to task in the NYT.

While both parties have extreme elements, he suggested, only in the G.O.P. did the extreme element exercise real power. “The extreme right has 90 seats in the House,” Mr. Echevarria said. “Occupy Wall Street has no seats.”

.Equating the TEA Party elected/supported congresspersons with the Occupy Wall Street hooligans/thugs/rapists wasn’t worth one single word of comment by the Hot Air editors. The article was not mentioned AT ALL by the Hot Air editors.

“Nothing to see here, move along!”

Which is kind of strange considering Joe Echevarria, the chief executive of Deloitte, the accounting and consulting firm has as his clients the health insurance and pharma ceutical companies who will be raking in new income in the BILLIONS from the Obamacare deals they got in return for their support of the law.

OH, and the Too Big Too Jail banks are also Deloitte’s clients who get $ 85 billion per year in government subsidies IN ADDITION to the $ 85 billion/month of interest free money the get from the Federal Reserve’s QE.

Heck, that only totals up to a little $ 1 trillion conflict of interest & motives on Mr Echevarria’s part.

but the Hot Air editors found nothing to comment on.

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Ed, Are you intentionally ignoring the bigger picture here? We had a President of the United States demand that he set spending priority for the nation or he would default the nation. If the senate caves to his demands, he has essentially usurped legislative power for his own.

paulsur on October 16, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Senate Democrats were willing to delay the tax for a year to please labor and in return agree to better income verification for Americans who apply for ObamaCare subsidies.

So Democrats get to throw a bone to labor – yet another EXCEPTION to implementation of “the law of the land”. And Democrats will agree to actually ENFORCE a provision of a law they wrote/passed all by themselves, via a computer system that has more faults then California.

This is a deal?

GarandFan on October 16, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Another thing by Ed that is laughable is that passing this deal will bring a more favorable ratings to ‘the caucus rebel’.

Sir Napsalot on October 16, 2013 at 11:27 AM

AMEN! IT experts saying Obamacare site can’t possibly work. No point trying to stop it, let it burn itself down.

wdkeller on October 16, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Just called my congressman. The staffer sounded dead. They don’t know the schedule of the vote but he thinks it may happen tomorrow.

No comment on the state of the house, party, speakership, immigration…nothing.

DanMan on October 16, 2013 at 1:10 PM

TheSkyIsFalling 3.0 = After hitting the debt limit 5 months ago, and running on “not subject to debt limit” borrowing from “Extraordinary Measures” for 5 months, we might actually have to balance our expenditures with our revenues.

and they did it by raiding the federal pensions just like Detroit did to theirs

DanMan on October 16, 2013 at 1:13 PM