Breaking: Boehner to take vote on Senate compromise 1st, pass it with Dem votes

posted at 10:02 am on October 16, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The endgame will arrive a little sooner than expected, thanks to a deal cut with John Boehner to take the first plunge on a bipartisan plan to end the budget standoff before the theoretical debt-ceiling limit gets breached.  Instead of the Senate taking up the proposal from Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell first, Boehner will allow a vote — without amendments — and have it pass with Democrats making up the difference from expected opposition from conservatives:

The House will vote first on an emerging Senate proposal to open government and lift the debt ceiling, a move that would expedite bipartisan legislation developed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

If the House passes the bill first and sends it to the upper chamber, it would eliminate some burdensome procedural hurdles in the Senate and require just one procedural roll call with a 60-vote threshold needed to advance the bill toward final passage in the Senate. It could be an extraordinarily risky play for Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), because it’s far from clear any Senate proposal would garner the majority of the House Republican Conference.

It still is not assured that Congress will send President Barack Obama a bill to sign by Thursday, when the Treasury Department says the country will breach the debt ceiling. Any senator can also hold up the bill in the Senate past the Thursday deadline, but originating the legislation in the House is the fastest path toward passage for lawmakers and is a sign of urgency in the Capitol.

This was inevitable after last night’s collapse of Republican unity in the House. According to most sources, Boehner can count on the majority of his caucus to support the move, but will get pilloried by the conservative wing of the caucus.  That may mean that Boehner won’t be Speaker if Republicans retain the House after the 2014 elections, but at this point Boehner may not want the job at all.

Robert Costa wonders whether a different Republican leader might take the blame:

That’s presumably because of the filibuster, which gives the minority more leverage in the Senate.  However, this could still get delayed by Ted Cruz or Mike Lee if they don’t allow unanimous consent — but that may be why the House is going first, too.  If the House passes this deal, then it’s all over but the shouting …. and thirty more hours of shouting in the Senate won’t make much difference.  Better to live to fight another day.


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So, these commie train wreck experts the democrats, when they do the amnesty with the RINO’s in the lead ,,,, and there are 20 million new un-insured undocumented, no ID, No SS number, Zeta drug mules and enforces signing up in OholeUnCare, 1/2 of which have severe pre-existing conditions from south America and Mexico,,, who gonna pay for it, who will loan these commie democrats even a “red commie ones of china red cent” who will even come to the train wreck and salavage the junk left on and near the track???

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 16, 2013 at 1:27 PM

What’s the over/under on # posts for this thread?

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on October 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Over/Under calculations are being routed through the Obamacare servers.

Nutstuyu on October 16, 2013 at 1:28 PM

I can’t find the thread Ed mentioned. I know they sent bills and the Senate did nothing but who knows or would believe that now? The Senate has been the most do nothing organization on the planet but what difference does it make if the media won’t report it and the Republicans don’t get the message out. I admire them for taking the stand that they have, I am in the “Let It Burn” contingency but they should have been louder sooner.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Yes. Media can blame whoever they want. But All programs will be funded. All employees will get back pay. Not one dime will be shorted anyone. And the economy will still struggle. Employers will still cut jobs. Obamacare will still suck.

At some point, even a little already in the polls, some of this poo is and will spill over on Obama. I don’t think anyone here can predict the result of all of this. November 2014 is a long time away, and there is no good news on the Horizon for anyone in the establishment D(derps) or Rs.

oldroy on October 16, 2013 at 1:29 PM

MJBrutus on October 16, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Not to worry, the Tea Party gave the Republicans the majority in the House and tightened up the Senate. I doubt they will bother you again with goals of increases the Republicans numbers. They don’t want the Tea Party? Good.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 1:30 PM

“Its all other peoples money now.”

American’s do not have enough left to tax or take by gun point.

Clear it is these loons and the RINO’s do not have the reach to get into the pockets of the Russians, the ones of China, or the oil ticks, so who to they pass the hat to.??

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 16, 2013 at 1:30 PM

I’d be willing to put up Louie Gohmert.

Stoic Patriot on October 16, 2013 at 12:07 PM

I second the motion.

ITguy on October 16, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Against Cornyn in Texas? If so, he is praying about it and asks others to do the same.

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM

oldroy on October 16, 2013 at 1:29 PM

I wish I could agree with you but Obama has gotten a pass on what would have been really huge stories under a Republican administration. I think Obamacare is going to get a pass also and all we will be able to do is wonder how in the world this country can be so stupid.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 1:33 PM

blink on October 16, 2013 at 1:26 PM

I understand that – and tried to expand on the fact that not only did Boehner not fight – he’s only really interested in protecting his own ass in all of this.

He didn’t make a ‘principled’ stand. He didn’t push to adequately communicate valid criticism against Obama, Reid, their disregard of the law in favor of their agenda, their lies, the bankruptcy of their agenda, or the obvious fallacy that midnight tonight was some ‘default’ witching hour.

His focus was, like those of McConnell, McCain, Ayotte, Graham, Ryan, Cantor, and others was to ‘go along to get along’ – to keep being ‘respected by the press’, feted as a ‘leader’ and ‘compromiser’, and kick the can down the road so it becomes someone else’s problem to fix or own.

Athos on October 16, 2013 at 1:35 PM

I wish I could agree with you but Obama has gotten a pass on what would have been really huge stories under a Republican administration. I think Obamacare is going to get a pass also and all we will be able to do is wonder how in the world this country can be so stupid.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 1:33 PM

I think bottom line is that there will be a R Senate and and R House – mostly as a result of the Obamacare debacle. But by that time immigration will have already be shoved down our throats and the destruction sequence will be complete.

oldroy on October 16, 2013 at 1:35 PM

So, its around $20 Trillion now with the spending in the leaking pipe line.

Two years out,, $25 Trillion in short term debt.

With a growth to $120 Trillion in more and higher never funded ponzi operations of SS and MediCare and other commie boom doggles.

Show U.S. the trailer to “The End”
Or is it just a cheap seats “re-run” of the prior film made in the old U.S.S.R..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 16, 2013 at 1:36 PM

oldroy on October 16, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Well that sounds promising, good thing I am relatively old or I might be tempted to kill myself.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Well that sounds promising, good thing I am relatively old or I might be tempted to kill myself.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 1:37 PM

There is always the death panels to look forward to.

oldroy on October 16, 2013 at 1:38 PM

I wonder if McConnell will vote for the Senate bill?

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Not to worry, the Tea Party gave the Republicans the majority in the House and tightened up the Senate.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 1:30 PM

…and the Republicans will never forgive the TP for it. The last thing the Republican bigwigs wanted was any hint of power or accountability while the Democrats enacted the poisonous agenda that they tacitly approved of.

ElectricPhase on October 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

They’ve been unsustainable since the beginning. The Democrats (FDR & LBJ) believed that, once enacted, they would never go away. That so far is true, but they also believed that Americans would be willing to pay the taxes to sustain them. Considering what the taxes will be in the future to maintain them, that is far from certain.

At some point, younger Americans are going to demand that they have a shot at the American dream and, at minimum, the same standard of living that those they are being asked to support had. If some of what was said on the Left during the Obamacare debates (‘Get out of the way, Grandma, I want my ‘free’ healthcare!’) is any indication, Granny is going to be either relegated to a life of catfood or be sent before one of those ‘death panels’ that even Paul Krugman has admitted will be necessary.

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Back in FDR and LBJ’s day, the keyword was “industrialism.” After World War II turned much of the rest of the industrialized world into rubble, American industry filled the gap for the next quarter century or so. American industry in the midst of re-building Europe and Asia enjoyed monopolies and oligopolies in most industries. A trade union could insist that left-handed lugnut twisters have compensation just around that of the legal secretary, and actually get that concession. The customers didn’t have anywhere else to go, and would pay the increased prices.

It was a sign of advancement that some guy who turned a screw on an assembly line could have a middle-class lifestyle and cushy pension. We were rich enough to be that stupid, and thought American ingenuity and the new industrialism would cause this curve to ever grow upwards…

And then the Euros and Asians were dug out, and could actually manufacture and distribute their own stuff now, thankyouverymuch. And the bottom fell out, while expectations did not make any adjustment. That was called the Seventies.

To be fair, LBJ and the like underestimated the amount by which American prosperity of the period was underwritten by finite rebuilding contracts and foreign sales.

Sekhmet on October 16, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Excellent points, but it’s too late now to do anything about it politically. The craven surrender to progressives spewed by the RINO de-elite both here and in DC indicates that they don’t have the courage or will to face the 17 trillion (soon to expand past 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities) dollar gorilla in the room.

When even a feckless Republican Candide like Hannity can see the writing on the wall, you know the Party’s over.

ebrown2 on October 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

oldroy on October 16, 2013 at 1:38 PM

So true.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 1:41 PM

ElectricPhase on October 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

I know, damn them. No good deed goes unpunished.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Its like this:

We the People had a huge leak in the sewer line from the house to the street and called in our guys to fix the leak.
They came by asked to be paid in advance which we did and all’s they did was fake it and now the sewer leak is under our kids bed rooms flowing commie crap direct from the “throne room”.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 16, 2013 at 1:43 PM

If the word RINO were banned from H/A I doubt we would see more than a dozen comments here per day.

MJBrutus on October 16, 2013 at 1:08 PM

What else would you call Republicans that vote with the Dems?

You see the word because there are so many, LOL

27 of the 46 R’s voted with Reid & the Dems on H.R.Res 59.

(I’m counting Hatch & Flake that were No Votes)

Funny we never see DINOS:-)

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Not to worry, the Tea Party gave the Republicans the majority in the House and tightened up the Senate.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 1:30 PM

…and the Republicans will never forgive the TP for it. The last thing the Republican bigwigs wanted was any hint of power or accountability while the Democrats enacted the poisonous agenda that they tacitly approved of.

ElectricPhase on October 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Truer words were never spoken, just look at the 2012 election.

ebrown2 on October 16, 2013 at 1:44 PM

I haven’t seen much to indicate Cruz is a Christian.
Is he?

verbaluce on October 16, 2013 at 1:10 PM

I wish you would keep up.

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 1:46 PM

cheap test

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 16, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Funny we never see DINOS:-)

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 1:43 PM

As the hard left progressive-fascists seized control of the Dem party, the DINO’s / Blue Dog / Scoop Jackson Democrats were pushed out in favor of the Alan Greyson and Wasserman-Schultz party loyalists.

That’s one of the rarely remarked on lessons from the past couple of weeks – the ease that Reid / Pelosi held their caucuses together in lockstep. Loyalty to Obama and the agenda are the most important traits at the moment.

Athos on October 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

For ease of future linking…

rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 2:03 PM

urban elitist, I need your input on something, please.
 

“So that’s why the individual mandate’s important,” Obama explained in a speech on Aug. 15, 2011.
 
“Because the basic theory is, look, everybody here at some point or another is going to need medical care, and you can’t be a free-rider on everybody else,” said Obama. “You can’t not have health insurance, then go to the emergency room, and each of us, who’ve done the responsible thing and have health insurance, suddenly we now have to pay the premiums for you. That’s not fair. So, if you can afford it, you should get health insurance just like you get car insurance.”
 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=14952502&sid=77&cid=77

 

The tax/fine on a person making $43K who doesn’t want or can’t afford insurance will only equal about $860 (vs. thousands in premiums and deductibles), and $860 will barely cover any actual medical procedure.
 
Hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay.
 
Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please.
 
rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM

 
Crickets.

rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 2:03 PM

verbaluce, would you mind fielding it for us?
 
Obamacare was passed to solve the free rider problem:

 

“So that’s why the individual mandate’s important,” Obama explained in a speech on Aug. 15, 2011.
 
“Because the basic theory is, look, everybody here at some point or another is going to need medical care, and you can’t be a free-rider on everybody else,” said Obama.

 
The tax/fine on a person making $43K who doesn’t want or can’t afford insurance will only equal about $860 (vs. thousands in premiums and deductibles), and $860 will barely cover any actual medical procedure.
 
Hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay.
 
Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please.
 
rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM

 
Crickets.

rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Can.I.be.in.the.middle, it doesn’t look like any other (D)s are informed enough to answer, so can you help us?
 
Obamacare was passed to solve the free rider problem:

 

“So that’s why the individual mandate’s important,” Obama explained in a speech on Aug. 15, 2011.
 
“Because the basic theory is, look, everybody here at some point or another is going to need medical care, and you can’t be a free-rider on everybody else,” said Obama.

 
The tax/fine on a person making $43K who doesn’t want or can’t afford insurance will only equal about $860 (vs. thousands in premiums and deductibles), and $860 will barely cover any actual medical procedure.
 
Hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay.
 
Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please.
 
rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 12:13 PM

 
Crickets.

rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 2:05 PM

I haven’t seen much to indicate Cruz is a Christian.
Is he?

verbaluce on October 16, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Yup.

Mainly because he follows the Commandments, including the ones Obama breaks constantly about coveting what your neighbors have, lying, and stealing.

Why do you think your liar Obama covets what other people have earned? Why do you think your liar Obama teaches people to steal from others?

northdallasthirty on October 16, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Genuine, knowing that $95 will barely cover a routine doctor visit and that hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay, do you think Obamacare will do anything to change the free rider problem?
 
rogerb on October 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM

 
Well it’ll do more to address it than simply scrapping the whole thing and going back to the old system where it was a huge problem driving up health care costs for everyone exorbitantly…
 
Genuine on October 7, 2013 at 1:33 PM

 

That’s a faith based position. I’m not interested in your religion.
 
Specifics, please.
 
If a person who couldn’t afford or didn’t want insurance in “the old system where it was a huge problem driving up health care costs for everyone exorbitantly” can continue with only a 1% fine/tax and still maintain exactly the same level of care (and expense), how does Obamacare change that?
 
rogerb on October 7, 2013 at 1:40 PM

 
Crickets.

rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 2:08 PM

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Exactly right. We need to force them out kicking and screaming. I already voted for Lonegan today and I will be getting at least 3 others to do the same. We can win this.

njrob on October 16, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Great that you voted for him and recruited others!! I educate family and friends every chance I get!! Word of mouth is great.

Hoping for a win today for you and the rest of us!!

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please.
 
rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 12:13 PM

 
Crickets
 
rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 2:05 PM

 
It’s weird. It’s almost like the massive increases in premiums, deductibles, administrative costs, etc. from Obamacare somehow maintained exactly the same status quo* “problems” we had before the law was passed.
 
Otherwise one of our true believers would be able to answer such a simple question. Maybe even provide a link.
 
But nope. Just crickets.

rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 2:18 PM

We may need a new term for people who deny that the ACA rollout this month has been a disaster.

— Ryan Lizza (@RyanLizza) October 16, 2013

I’m going with “dreamers.” And dreaming, as we have learned in the last fortnight, gets you precisely nowhere.

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Interesting. That is more understanding of the 2 issues than I’ve seen from the talking heads:-)

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 2:19 PM

* Status quo except for now having less money to use on food, clothing, mortgages, retirement, education, etc., I suppose.

rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Oops. Forgot a couple.
 

bayam, I need your input on something, please.

 

“So that’s why the individual mandate’s important,” Obama explained in a speech on Aug. 15, 2011.
 
“Because the basic theory is, look, everybody here at some point or another is going to need medical care, and you can’t be a free-rider on everybody else,” said Obama. “You can’t not have health insurance, then go to the emergency room, and each of us, who’ve done the responsible thing and have health insurance, suddenly we now have to pay the premiums for you. That’s not fair. So, if you can afford it, you should get health insurance just like you get car insurance.”
 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=14952502&sid=77&cid=77

 
The tax/fine on a person making $43K who doesn’t want or can’t afford insurance will only equal about $860 (vs. thousands in premiums and deductibles), and $860 will barely cover any actual medical procedure.
 
Hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay.
 
Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please.
 
rogerb on October 15, 2013 at 7:09 PM

 
Crickets.

rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Mr. Arkadin, would you mind fielding it for us?
 
Obamacare was passed to solve the free rider problem:

 

“So that’s why the individual mandate’s important,” Obama explained in a speech on Aug. 15, 2011.
 
“Because the basic theory is, look, everybody here at some point or another is going to need medical care, and you can’t be a free-rider on everybody else,” said Obama.

 
The tax/fine on a person making $43K who doesn’t want or can’t afford insurance will only equal about $860 (vs. thousands in premiums and deductibles), and $860 will barely cover any actual medical procedure.
 
Hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay.
 
Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please.
 
rogerb on October 15, 2013 at 8:27 PM

 
Crickets.

rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 2:24 PM

The photo of Orange-Man sniffling on Drudge is priceless.

Hand Miss Nancy her stick back. At least she knows how to use it.

Fail.

Tenwheeler on October 16, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Funny we never see DINOS:-)

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 1:43 PM

As the hard left progressive-fascists seized control of the Dem party, the DINO’s / Blue Dog / Scoop Jackson Democrats were pushed out in favor of the Alan Greyson and Wasserman-Schultz party loyalists.
Athos on October 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

The Blue Dogs voted with Pelosi almost 90% of the time, depending on the bill. They were elected in States that were fairly Conservative/Republican. Guess they couldn’t be dependable & like you say, were replaced.

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Funny we never see DINOS:-)

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Oh, yes, you do. You see tonnes of them everyday. The Democratic Party has loads of Socialists masquerading as Democrats.

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 2:39 PM

C-span replaying Ted Cruz speaking to the Press. There were about 50 Press with cameras/microphones!!

Go Cruz!!!

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Crickets.

rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Live bait? Lolz!

Bmore on October 16, 2013 at 2:47 PM

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Oh, yes, you do. You see tonnes of them everyday. The Democratic Party has loads of Socialists masquerading as Democrats.

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 2:39 PM

I fell right into that, didn’t I? I thot you had left the thread, LOL Just kidding!

You are too sharp for me:-)

Glad you’re here tho!!

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Crickets.
 
rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 2:23 PM

 
Live bait? Lolz!
 
Bmore on October 16, 2013 at 2:47 PM

 
It’s bizarre that not a single Obamacare supporter can answer it.
 
One has to conclude they either don’t understand the topic or that they were intentionally duped.
 
There are no other choices.

rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 3:24 PM

rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 3:24 PM

I have long believed them to have been duped. With exception to the truly died in the wool leftists. When I talk in person with the leftists I know. They only understand the talking points they are instructed to proceed on. No real understanding of what it is they have signed onto. So it must be a mixture of the two. I don’t hold out much hope for their enlightenment.

Bmore on October 16, 2013 at 3:34 PM

I don’t pick fights that I cannot win. I only fight a fight that I can win.

jerryofva on October 16, 2013 at 12:27 PM

???

Okay. Then just stand on the sidelines and out of the way.

You may have to fight a battle more than once to win it.

-Margaret Thatcher

lynncgb on October 16, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Funny we never see DINOS:-)

bluefox on October 16, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Oh, yes, you do. You see tonnes of them everyday. The Democratic Party has loads of Socialists masquerading as Democrats.

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 2:39 PM

An interesting question, so let me rephrase: why do democratics in Congress seem so much better at keeping their members in line with an agreed-to strategy?

slickwillie2001 on October 16, 2013 at 3:45 PM

One has to conclude they either don’t understand the topic or that they were intentionally duped.

There are no other choices.

rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 3:24 PM

If they don’t understand it, they don’t have to be duped.

oldroy on October 16, 2013 at 3:48 PM

slickwillie2001 on October 16, 2013 at 3:45 PM

I believe it has something to do with their ideology leading to a Lemming state of mind.

kingsjester on October 16, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Corrupt Cowards.

csdeven on October 16, 2013 at 4:30 PM

If they don’t understand it, they don’t have to be duped.
 
oldroy on October 16, 2013 at 3:48 PM

 
Not a bad point, but I always thought dupe was more more about deception and less about ability.

rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 4:35 PM

csdeven on October 16, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Holy cow!

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Lolz!

Bmore on October 16, 2013 at 6:33 PM

I don’t pick fights that I cannot win. I only fight a fight that I can win.

jerryofva on October 16, 2013 at 12:27 PM

So you really, rarely fight much do ya?

Bmore on October 16, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Bmore on October 16, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Sure seem to like to run his mouth here. So I assume virtual fights come easy.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2013 at 6:57 PM

I weep and laugh at the same time.

SouthernGent on October 16, 2013 at 8:45 PM

libfreeordie, I need your input on something, please.

 

“So that’s why the individual mandate’s important,” Obama explained in a speech on Aug. 15, 2011.
 
“Because the basic theory is, look, everybody here at some point or another is going to need medical care, and you can’t be a free-rider on everybody else,” said Obama…
 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=14952502&sid=77&cid=77

 
The tax/fine on a person making $43K who doesn’t want or can’t afford insurance will only equal about $860 (vs. thousands in premiums and deductibles), and $860 will barely cover any actual medical procedure.
 
Hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay.
 
Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please.
 
rogerb on October 16, 2013 at 4:48 PM

 
Crickets.

rogerb on October 17, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Oh, and by the way…

Better to live to fight another day.

That might not be pathetically, hysterically, excruciatingly laughable if they ever actually FOUGHT, at all. This has been the GOP apologists’ mantra for over three years now, and we’re still waiting for the mythical “another day” to arrive on which a stand will be taken and battle joined.

As it stands, there’s another quote (by a fictional character who is hardly known for his verbal skills) which seems far more appropriate.

“Live for nothing, or die for something.”
-John Rambo

Cylor on October 17, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Sounds like crickets in here. Lolz!

Bmore on October 17, 2013 at 3:02 PM

lostmotherland, would you mind helping answer this?
 
Obamacare was passed to solve the free rider problem:

 

“So that’s why the individual mandate’s important,” Obama explained in a speech on Aug. 15, 2011.
 
“Because the basic theory is, look, everybody here at some point or another is going to need medical care, and you can’t be a free-rider on everybody else,” said Obama.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=14952502&sid=77&cid=77

 
The tax/fine on a person making $43K who doesn’t want or can’t afford insurance will only equal about $860 (vs. thousands in premiums and deductibles), and $860 will barely cover any actual medical procedure.
 
Hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay.
 
Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please.
 
rogerb on October 17, 2013 at 12:52 PM

 
Crickets.

rogerb on October 19, 2013 at 2:50 PM

BTW triple, would you mind helping answer this?
 
Obamacare was passed to solve the free rider problem:

 

“So that’s why the individual mandate’s important,” Obama explained in a speech on Aug. 15, 2011.
 
“Because the basic theory is, look, everybody here at some point or another is going to need medical care, and you can’t be a free-rider on everybody else,” said Obama.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=14952502&sid=77&cid=77

 
The tax/fine on a person making $43K who doesn’t want or can’t afford insurance will only equal about $860 (vs. thousands in premiums and deductibles), and $860 will barely cover any actual medical procedure.
 
Hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay.
 
Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please.
 
rogerb on October 17, 2013 at 12:52 PM

 
Crickets.

rogerb on October 19, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Mmm…Burritos would you mind fielding this for us? No other (D)s seem informed/capable enough to do it, but I’ve got a feeling you’re different.
 
Obamacare was passed to solve the free rider problem:

 

“So that’s why the individual mandate’s important,” Obama explained in a speech on Aug. 15, 2011.
 
“Because the basic theory is, look, everybody here at some point or another is going to need medical care, and you can’t be a free-rider on everybody else,” said Obama.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=14952502&sid=77&cid=77

 
The tax/fine on a person making $43K who doesn’t want or can’t afford insurance will only equal about $860 (vs. thousands in premiums and deductibles), and $860 will barely cover any actual medical procedure.
 
Hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay.
 
Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please.
 
rogerb on October 17, 2013 at 12:52 PM

 
Crickets.

rogerb on October 19, 2013 at 3:00 PM

loveofcountry, I need your input on something, please.

 
Obamacare was passed to solve the free rider problem:

 

“So that’s why the individual mandate’s important,” Obama explained in a speech on Aug. 15, 2011.
 
“Because the basic theory is, look, everybody here at some point or another is going to need medical care, and you can’t be a free-rider on everybody else,” said Obama.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=14952502&sid=77&cid=77

 
The tax/fine on a person making $43K who doesn’t want or can’t afford insurance will only equal about $860 (vs. thousands in premiums and deductibles), and $860 will barely cover any actual medical procedure.
 
Hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay.
 
Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please.
 
rogerb on October 17, 2013 at 12:52 PM

 
Crickets.

rogerb on October 19, 2013 at 3:02 PM

inklake, I need your input on something, please.

 
Obamacare was passed to solve the free rider problem:

 

“So that’s why the individual mandate’s important,” Obama explained in a speech on Aug. 15, 2011.
 
“Because the basic theory is, look, everybody here at some point or another is going to need medical care, and you can’t be a free-rider on everybody else,” said Obama.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=14952502&sid=77&cid=77

 
The tax/fine on a person making $43K who doesn’t want or can’t afford insurance will only equal about $860 (vs. thousands in premiums and deductibles), and $860 will barely cover any actual medical procedure.
 
Hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay.
 
Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please.
 
rogerb on October 20, 2013 at 2:07 PM

 
Crickets.

rogerb on October 21, 2013 at 6:45 AM

…Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to improve the free rider “subsidizing the poor” problem?
 
Give us specifics, please. Thanks in advance.
 
rogerb on February 21, 2014 at 4:14 PM

 
Prove to me that you even understand what a hospital chargemaster is? You could first get a degree in hospital administration.
 
Dave Turson on February 21, 2014 at 4:55 PM

 
…Many of us are highly educated, and most of us aren’t even drunk, so an easy free rider explanation should be a piece of cake.
 
rogerb on February 21, 2014 at 5:36 PM

 
Hey, I’ll bet you’re up in the years so that this particular problem, very soon, will not even concern you anymore.
 
Dave Turson on February 21, 2014 at 5:50 PM

 
“Because shut up and die” is definitely my new favorite informed response on the topic.

rogerb on February 24, 2014 at 9:38 PM

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