Will the Senate deal fly with the House rank and file?

posted at 8:01 am on October 15, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Today appears to be Deal Day, when the Senate leadership in both parties hammers a way out of the budget impasse that avoids the October 17th debt-ceiling deadline and puts an end to the two-week federal government shutdown.  The negotiators already have the deal largely locked in place, ABC News reports, but now both sides have to sell it to their rank and file.  John Boehner might have the toughest job selling it to his House caucus, although Senate Republicans will see it first:

tentative breakthrough in negotiations among congressional leaders to end the government shutdown and raise the debt ceiling faces a major test today: approval from the rank and file members of Congress.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., worked through the weekend and into this week hammering out the details of a potential compromise. But the fine print of the proposal will face the judgment of Republican lawmakers in the Senate this morning. …

On Monday, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, who led the Tea Party charge in the Senate, said he would reserve judgment until he knew the full details of a potential agreement.

“I want to wait to see what the details are,” Cruz said.

And a potential deal could face an uphill battle in the House of Representatives.

No one’s likely to be terribly happy with the deal in any of the four caucuses, although Democrats might not yet realize it.  Politico’s Carrie Budoff Brown reports that everyone has to give a little in the deal and that Barack Obama’s “clean bill” demand is dead, but that Republicans have to give most:

There would be minor changes to the president’s signature health care law. The White House and Democratic leaders will argue the Obamacare provisions were a one-for-one proposition — each party got a fix to the Affordable Care Act — and did not come as the price for raising the debt limit or restarting the government, according to Democratic officials involved in the talks.

The Obamacare provisions risk muddying the president’s message, but the changes are so negligible that even House Republicans are grumbling that it’s a clean debt limit increase.

Even if the potential Senate deal survives in the House — still very much an open question — Obama would soon be back fighting the next round with Republicans. The debt limit increase would last almost four months. It’s less than what Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) wanted, but longer than what House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) suggested. And the next debt limit hike wouldn’t be contingent upon a budget deal, as Boehner proposed. …

McConnell, however, is preparing to make a pitch to his conference that Republicans would get plenty out of the deal.

They kept Obama from winning his “clean” debt limit increase by extracting an Obamacare concession. They rebuffed Democratic demands for a year-long debt limit extension. Republicans also secured sequester spending levels through Jan. 15 — two months longer than Democrats first proposed, although shorter than what Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) had wanted as a way to lock in next year’s even-deeper spending cuts under the 2011 Budget Control Act.

“Total federal spending has now gone down for two years in a row — the first time that’s happened since the Korean War,” McConnell said. “As a result of the BCA: federal spending will be lower next year than this year. It is, without question, the most significant spending reduction in modern history and Senate Republicans will not accept anything that that undoes these cuts.”

But Democrats think the House-Senate budget negotiations mandated under the deal would give them a decent shot at renegotiating the sequester. And they’re hoping that Republicans will be motivated to avert next year’s cuts, which disproportionately hit defense spending.

Republicans will end up with the short end of the deal because (a) they have the short end of power by only controlling the House, and (b) they chose a strategy with no chance of success.  That leaves them with very little bargaining power.  Byron York presented an intriguing counterfactual on that point Sunday, a what-if on strategic decisions long past:

[T]here was an enormous amount of bad news about Obamacare. And it was coming October 1. Of course, Republicans did not know the specific problems that would plague the website once the administration attempted to bring Obamacare online, but the GOP knew that, in general, what was coming would be bad. So what if Republicans had put together a major campaign of ads, events, townhalls, speeches, hearings, web documentaries, publications, tweets, handouts, and more, involving Republican officials from the local level to influential governors to top leaders in Congress, to showcase the problems of Obamacare as October 1 approached?

What if that had been the theme of the August recess? And in September, there began to appear stories of Americans who buy their coverage on the individual market receiving letters from insurers telling them they would no longer have coverage, or that the price of their coverage would go up substantially. More stories for the Obamacare campaign: here was the living, breathing proof that Obama’s if-you-like-your-coverage-you-can-keep-it pledge was false. Of course, Obama said that many times, often on video, so Republicans could have made plenty of ads, for the Internet and perhaps some for broadcast too, juxtaposing Obama’s promise with yet another family who had lost coverage.

And then came October 1. After that date arrived, Republicans would have had a true embarrassment of riches when it came to material for the anti-Obamacare campaign. Millions of people tried, and failed, to log into the Obamacare website; lots of stories there. And what about the tales of pathetically small numbers of Americans who actually succeeded in signing up for coverage? For example, there was a report that five people in all of Iowa had signed up; that state’s GOP leaders could have been enlisted to make sure everyone knew that. …

But it didn’t happen. The GOP chose instead to embark on its ill-fated drive to defund Obamacare. When that failed, Republicans made progressively weaker demands that the White House delay or somehow limit Obamacare, and those failed, too. In the meantime, the Republican effort has led to a partial shutdown of the government, now nearly two weeks old. And the shutdown battle has morphed into a fight over the debt limit and the possibility the nation will default on its debts next Thursday.

This cloud has a silver lining, though. Whatever deal gets made will mean that, after a spate of media stories about federal workers returning to work and markets settling down for the next few months on the debt ceiling, the attention will shift back to the ObamaCare exchanges and the sticker shock (more on this later).  That’s why Democrats who feel they won a short-term win in this deal will only celebrate for a minimal period, because as soon as the shutdown and debt ceiling are off the front pages, the incompetence and massive new costs in ObamaCare will replace them.


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Will the lsm actually report on the obamacare screwup or will they find another squirrel to avoid it…..

They say if the shutdown didn’t occur they would be talking about it but we know that’s not true

C’mon

cmsinaz on October 15, 2013 at 8:06 AM

Bo(eh)ner doesn’t really need anything more than his “leadership” team – Pelosi will be more than happy to supply the rest of the votes as she sees the gavel coming back to her in 2015.

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 8:06 AM

The Statue of Liberty is now bent over on her pedestal awaiting the Grand Bargain.

Bishop on October 15, 2013 at 8:06 AM

Even if the potential Senate deal survives in the House — still very much an open question — Obama would soon be back fighting the next round with Republicans.

This is why the House GOP needs to reject this deal. How many times do we kick the can down the road instead of dealing with real spending cuts? The Senate Deal supposedly gives up even the sequestration “cuts” in favor of even more government spending.

If Boehner pushes this through, his days holding the big gavel are numbered even if he’s too stupid to know it.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 8:07 AM

That’s why Democrats who feel they won a short-term win in this deal will only celebrate for a minimal period, because as soon as the shutdown and debt ceiling are off the front pages, the incompetence and massive new costs in ObamaCare will replace them.

You’re cute when you’re optimistic, Ed.

The_Livewire on October 15, 2013 at 8:08 AM

There is no Federal shutdown, and we aren’t going to default. This would be a great first step to restoring fiscal sanity in Federal spending.

Murphy9 on October 15, 2013 at 8:08 AM

The Presidents on Mt. Rushmore have their hands over their eyes, even they don’t want to see what this deal will look like.

Bishop on October 15, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Republicans will end up with the short end of the deal because (a) they have the short end of power by only controlling the House, and (b) they chose a strategy with no chance of success.

Au contraire. Reject the deal, pass a bill of your own that reopens the government, raises the debt ceiling, repeals Obamacare, and then attaches a whole bunch of GOP priorities, from a national abortion ban, to mandating e-Verify, to building a border fence, to eliminating green energy subsidies, to reinstating DADT and DOMA. Then gavel the House out of session and leave the Senate holding the bag.

The only way such a strategy fails is if the House itself chooses for it to fail. Let the Senate and Obama be the ones to decide whether to default or not.

Stoic Patriot on October 15, 2013 at 8:09 AM

They say if the shutdown didn’t occur they would be talking about it but we know that’s not true

C’mon

cmsinaz on October 15, 2013 at 8:06 AM

Yeah I’m tired of RINOs and psuedo-conservative pundits whining that the evil Ted Cruz managed to step all over the Obamacare debacle message by shutting down the government. I don’t buy it at all.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 8:09 AM

No, I’m sure the MSM will be working overtime looking for a lot of shiny things to distract from Obamacares failings.

geojed on October 15, 2013 at 8:10 AM

Funny that boehner must bring bill up for a vote and yet Reid never brought up the bills from the house since the shutdown and that was OK

What am I missing?

cmsinaz on October 15, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Republicans control the House. The House controls the checkbook. The House controls the government. Do all the Repubs (including the Speaker) need to go back through Freshman orientation?

They tell the President (and Co-Vice Presidents Reid and Biden), “You can have $___ trillion, not a penny more. Bring us a budget with that number at the bottom and we’ll pass it.”

If he doesn’t like it, he can sell Michelle’s vegetables outside the White House or start charging libs a dollar a turn for kissing his ass and fund the entire budget himself. Ten bucks for media.

IndieDogg on October 15, 2013 at 8:08 AM

Murphy9 on October 15, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Funny that boehner must bring bill up for a vote and yet Reid never brought up the bills from the house since the shutdown and that was OK

What am I missing?

cmsinaz on October 15, 2013 at 8:11 AM

100% of the leftist narrative making.

Murphy9 on October 15, 2013 at 8:12 AM

There is no Federal shutdown, and we aren’t going to default. This would be a great first step to restoring fiscal sanity in Federal spending.

Murphy9 on October 15, 2013 at 8:08 AM

The House GOP should take all the wind out of the Dem sails by passing a “deal” this morning before the Senate rolls out their plan. To include one-year delay in the individual mandate.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 8:12 AM

Let it ride.

Bmore on October 15, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Yepper HN

cmsinaz on October 15, 2013 at 8:13 AM

I was wrong about El PRL getting nothing – they get less than nothing. They don’t get a defund (which was supposedly their position the last 2 1/2 years over 3 budgets, not just the last 2 1/2 months that Cruz pushed the issue), they don’t get an individual mandate delay, they don’t get a codification of the employer mandate delay, they don’t get a cut of the medical device tax they desperately needed to become relevant on K Street again, and they don’t get a repudiation of their own personal exemption (not that leadership wanted that to go away).

Instead, they get a 1-year delay in the tax on group plans unions wanted, which is bad for two reasons:

- It solidifies the new notion that if anybody wants a deal from the federal government, they need to go to Dingy Harry and Teh SCOAMT, not to Bo(eh)ner and company.

- That, combined with the failure to codify the employer mandate delay, strengthens the inevitable lawsuit from the Perpetually Aggrieved class that will retroactively reverse said mandate in the courts.

Oh yeah, sequester, or at least the non-defense portion, will go away in 3 months.

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 8:14 AM

Funny that boehner must bring bill up for a vote and yet Reid never brought up the bills from the house since the shutdown and that was OK

What am I missing?

cmsinaz on October 15, 2013 at 8:11 AM

The messaging. Harry Reid didn’t bring up the House bills because the Senate Dems want a “comprehensive” approach instead of piecemeal funding. Here we are with the doomsday countdown clocks going to Thursday and the House won’t even consider the Senate deal? Bad optics.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 8:15 AM

BOHICA!!! We need Gandalf screaming “Thou shall not pass”.

tim c on October 15, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Murphy9 yup

cmsinaz on October 15, 2013 at 8:15 AM

“Republicans will end up with the short end of the deal because (a) they have the short end of power by only controlling the House, and (b) they chose a strategy with no chance of success.

NOPE….they totally had the American people with them as evidenced by EVERY poll on obamacare…they did NOT MARKET/SELL their strategy/idea and it turned into a cluster F…and of course EVERY RINO bailed at the first negative, manufactured poll. Just read RINO AIR to see how it happens…

winston on October 15, 2013 at 8:17 AM

This cloud has a silver lining, though. Whatever deal gets made will mean that, after a spate of media stories about federal workers returning to work and markets settling down for the next few months on the debt ceiling, the attention will shift back to the ObamaCare exchanges and the sticker shock (more on this later). That’s why Democrats who feel they won a short-term win in this deal will only celebrate for a minimal period, because as soon as the shutdown and debt ceiling are off the front pages, the incompetence and massive new costs in ObamaCare will replace them.

I really wish people would stop with this BS talking point. Especially conservatives who should know better by now. The media isn’t covering(or is at the very least downplaying) the Obamacare rollout debacle because they’re in the tank for Obama. Any story, no matter how serious and no matter how many Americans it f’s over, will be buried if it in any way does serious harm to Obama and/or the Democrats.

For God’s sake, if that still doesn’t register with you after Benghazi, the IRS scandal, the NSA scandal, Obamacare, Pigford, the economy, the $6+ trillion in new debt, hell, even the “Barrycades” being erected during the shutdown, then I don’t know what I can say that’ll convince you we no longer have a free press in this country. They’re Democrat operatives, period.

Doughboy on October 15, 2013 at 8:17 AM

The healthcare industry is destined to fail because it is simply no longer affordable. Its latest political tactic, the (un)Affordable Care Act (ACA), forces American workers to buy – not healthcare, but insurance (it ensures doctors, hospitals, drug companies and insurers get paid, nobody is any healthier).

Low-income workers (not on welfare) are going to get clobbered as they have to come up with about a month’s pay for a high-deductible plan, and they are coerced to buy or face a penalty.

Not to worry, most will opt for the penalty. While a few million Americans are being herded to sign up online, the sign-up part is just to see if Americans qualify for government subsidies.

Less than 2% of Americans who have gone to the ACA website have qualified and fewer will actually buy an insurance policy. Let’s see how the politicians and news media try to cover up this calamitous failure.

I just don’t know how any reigning political party is going to withdraw penalty money directly from a person’s bank account and expect to win the next election? The citizenry has not caught on yet that the Federal government has been bought off by the insurance industry. The public thought they were getting socialized medicine like what is offered in Canada, Britain and Sweden.

The US government is incurring all the costs for advertising and even answering the phones in this newest version of so-called American free enterprise.
LEW

Roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 15, 2013 at 8:17 AM

Irritating HN…

cmsinaz on October 15, 2013 at 8:17 AM

+1 doughboy

cmsinaz on October 15, 2013 at 8:19 AM

What if that had been the theme of the August recess? And in September, there began to appear stories of Americans who buy their coverage on the individual market receiving letters from insurers telling them they would no longer have coverage, or that the price of their coverage would go up substantially.

Man, who knew the Republicans who were pushing a defund strategy in October had a time machine and went back to keep the GOP from doing those things.

boone on October 15, 2013 at 8:19 AM

Different Industry. Similar concept. Perhaps Bohner should apply this technique for once.

Bmore on October 15, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Republicans will end up with the short end of the deal because (a) they have the short end of power by only controlling the House, and (b) they chose a strategy with no chance of success.

Republicans have a weak hand even though they control the power of the purse. Dear Liar over played his hand with shutting the WWII memorial, which cost money in a supposed shutdown.

Cruz et al., did not do damage so much as signal a willingness to fight. This was not, at least I hope it was not, about getting rid of Obamacare right now, that wasn’t going to happen. It’s about the 2014 & 2016 elections and signalling there’s another way than an ever expanding federal government. There’s plenty of time to expose the rise of the surveillance state that watches everything you do. And is ham-handed about it. But quite frankly, there are too many Republicans who are willing to go along with Democrats who are essentially marxist in their thinking. They need to be exposed and gotten rid of first.

rbj on October 15, 2013 at 8:24 AM

they chose a strategy with no chance of success.

Does anyone think that had Ted Cruz not shamed the House into action the Dems would be at the negotiating table at all?

I’ll bet what we get is the elimination of the medical device tax. This is one of those rare taxes that even Democrats oppose and yet its going away is somehow a concession to Republicans.

Kafir on October 15, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Short term, maybe GOP loses in the polls for awhile. Long term, the dems lose big as the country has seen that a government “shut down” has zero effect on their lives except for some petty inconveniences manufactured by the regime, inconveniences the people were able to remove with their own bare hands.

The fact is, after this so-called “Republican debacle,” confidence in federal government is at a historic low. That is a LOSS for the regime. A big loss.

Rational Thought on October 15, 2013 at 8:29 AM

You’ve got major mainstream reporters criticizing Leon Panetta for decrying Obama’s lack of leadership, so how does it follow that, absent any conservative intransigence on rolling over, they will be so fair and balanced in making a major theme of Obamacare.

Did the press cover fast and furious fairly? Benghazi? IRS corruption, NSA scandals, James Rosen affair, mendaciousness on tax/fee in Obamacare? Death panels? Labor Relations board? A full vetting of waivers?

Where is there any evidence that the press would cover Obamacare’s shortcomings, vs. wishcasting it’s “benefits”?

aquaviva on October 15, 2013 at 8:30 AM

The next presidential election will be won on the issue of who FIXES Obamacare,not who repeals it. Why? Because the media will say so. Obamacare is a means to control the masses. The Republicans actually want that as bad as the Democrats. The real fight between the groups is who will control it.

We really need to take our government back from these guys.

CableDude on October 15, 2013 at 8:30 AM

I think the GOP won by virtue that this isn’t a clean bill. We didn’t get everything, but we got something. And also, aren’t we against taxes? The delay in the reinsurance tax should be a win, no? We will also force the Obama Admin to verify income (something they didn’t want to do), win?

I support this deal. I’m all for letting it burn and for 2 weeks we’ve made our point.

BigGator5 on October 15, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Does anyone think that had Ted Cruz not shamed the House into action the Dems would be at the negotiating table at all?

Kafir on October 15, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Bottom line, the House isn’t going to go along with rubber stamping the Senate Dems “bipartisan” plan. It doesn’t address a single one of the House’s stated objections and extends the debt ceiling and government spending further than the House has gone.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 8:30 AM

they chose a strategy with no chance of success.

Guess it depends on the meaning of the word success. As it plays out time will tell whether my interests have been served. So far they are. Bigtime.

Bmore on October 15, 2013 at 8:31 AM

The Statue of Liberty is now bent over on her pedestal awaiting the Grand Bargain.

Bishop on October 15, 2013 at 8:06 AM

No, no, no… Gov Cuomo, D – NY, was allowed to open that Federal park because it was “in NY’s economic interests” to do so.

mjbrooks3 on October 15, 2013 at 8:32 AM

I think the GOP won by virtue that this isn’t a clean bill. We didn’t get everything, but we got something. And also, aren’t we against taxes? The delay in the reinsurance tax should be a win, no? We will also force the Obama Admin to verify income (something they didn’t want to do), win?

BigGator5 on October 15, 2013 at 8:30 AM

BigGator5 = Vidkun Quisling

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 8:32 AM

Who will be the next Speaker of the House?

Oh No!

Now that GOP fight will knock O’care out of the headlines.

TEA Party should shut up and let the DC insiders control lead us.

mjbrooks3 on October 15, 2013 at 8:34 AM

I’ll bet what we get is the elimination of the medical device tax. This is one of those rare taxes that even Democrats oppose and yet its going away is somehow a concession to Republicans.

Kafir on October 15, 2013 at 8:26 AM

We didn’t get that. What we got was what the unions demanded of the Rats – a 1-year delay in the group plan “transitional reinsurance” tax that was supposed to subsidize low rates for those with pre-existing conditions.

Worse, we don’t know what new tax they got for that delay, or whether the already-sick get thrown under the bus because 1/3rd of the tax that’s supposed to subisize their transition from high-risk pools to the general PlaceboCare pool is gone.

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Where is there any evidence that the press would cover Obamacare’s shortcomings, vs. wishcasting it’s “benefits”?

aquaviva on October 15, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Yeah, look at how they have lied about the numbers of individuals who have actually signed up for Obamacare at this point. How Error 404 problems were supposedly fixed with a weekend upgrade. They haven’t even checked back in to see if gay Chad from Chattanooga ever got around to picking a plan and (if he did) how much it was going to cost him.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 8:36 AM

We will also force the Obama Admin to verify income (something they didn’t want to do), win?

BigGator5 on October 15, 2013 at 8:30 AM

And what guarantee do we have that Obama will actually adhere to that agreement? He pretty much does whatever the hell he pleases at this point since no one ever calls him on it.

Doughboy on October 15, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Republicans will end up with the short end of the deal because (a) they have the short end of power by only controlling the House, and (b) they chose a strategy with no chance of success.

That’s (a) retarded and (b) moronic.

This “deal” is BS that should be rejected for being the back-stabbing cave that it is. McConnell shouldn’t even be allowed to open his fat mouth, at all. He doesn’t represent anyone with a brain.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 15, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Who will be the next Speaker of the House?

Oh No!

Now that GOP fight will knock O’care out of the headlines.

mjbrooks3 on October 15, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Who will primary Boehner?

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 8:38 AM

This “deal” is BS that should be rejected for being the back-stabbing cave that it is. McConnell shouldn’t even be allowed to open his fat mouth, at all. He doesn’t represent anyone with a brain.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 15, 2013 at 8:36 AM

What MiniCave McConnell yearns for is the heady days of 2009, when all he had to do was collect a paycheck and accrue time in the federal pension system because the Rats had 60 to do whatever they wanted (even if they had to wheel in Sheets Byrd’s and Swimmer Kennedy’s gurneys to ensure 60 in the chamber).

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Evidently, the Manchurian President feels like he can more easily con the old RINO’s in the Senate, like McConnell, McLain, Graham, who have been publicly bashing Conservatives for a while now, including the last week, than he can Cryin’ John and Company, in the House.

Meanwhile, average Americans, like you and me, are forced to watch these clowns and jokers, as they hurl accusations at one another, making Capital Hill and the White House sound more like a Daycare Center, rather than the Seat of Government.

Judging from the fact that Obama is the one who refuses to negotiate…

I’d say that somebody needs a nap.

kingsjester on October 15, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 8:32 AM

Nice, but please allow me to retort:

*Snappy Response*

BigGator5 on October 15, 2013 at 8:43 AM

The next presidential election will be won on the issue of who FIXES Obamacare,not who repeals it. Why? Because the media will say so. Obamacare is a means to control the masses. The Republicans actually want that as bad as the Democrats. The real fight between the groups is who will control it.

We really need to take our government back from these guys.

CableDude on October 15, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Is there such thing as…
+1,000,000,000?

texgal on October 15, 2013 at 8:44 AM

They say if the shutdown didn’t occur they would be talking about it but we know that’s not true
C’mon
cmsinaz on October 15, 2013 at 8:06 AM

Yeah I’m tired of RINOs and psuedo-conservative pundits whining that the evil Ted Cruz managed to step all over the Obamacare debacle message by shutting down the government. I don’t buy it at all.
Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 8:09 AM

They never want to take a stand on anything. It’s always, “let’s win the next fight. This fight is unwinnable. It’s impossible. Oh, think of the bad things the news media will say about us.”

They like to say it’s just a tactical difference, but their preferred tactic is always to cave.

It’s the same people who want to cave on amnesty (“comprehensive immigration reform”). Unfortunately this site has several bloggers like this.

bluegill on October 15, 2013 at 8:46 AM

kingsjester on October 15, 2013 at 8:43 AM

I submit that it’s equally easy for Teh SCOAMT to roll either “Republican” “leadership” team. It’s just easier for Bo(eh)ner to get 16 fellow Surrendercans to go along (with 3 vacancies, the majority number is 217) if he can sell it as the Senate caving first.

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Who will primary Boehner?

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 8:38 AM

i heard he was gonna retire….pink tie and all

gracie on October 15, 2013 at 8:47 AM

I really wish people would stop with this BS talking point. Especially conservatives who should know better by now. The media isn’t covering(or is at the very least downplaying) the Obamacare rollout debacle because they’re in the tank for Obama. Any story, no matter how serious and no matter how many Americans it f’s over, will be buried if it in any way does serious harm to Obama and/or the Democrats.

For God’s sake, if that still doesn’t register with you after Benghazi, the IRS scandal, the NSA scandal, Obamacare, Pigford, the economy, the $6+ trillion in new debt, hell, even the “Barrycades” being erected during the shutdown, then I don’t know what I can say that’ll convince you we no longer have a free press in this country. They’re Democrat operatives, period.

Doughboy on October 15, 2013 at 8:17 AM

I said exactly this last night to my mom. OTOH, if the deal is signed, and they aren’t allowed to won’t write about obamalamadingdongcare , what WILL they write about? One can only write so many columns about those inept, intransigent, suicide vest-wearing Republicans.

herm2416 on October 15, 2013 at 8:48 AM

the shutdown battle has morphed into a fight over the debt limit and the possibility the nation will default on its debts next Thursday.

The “default” mantra, repeated ad infinitum…

Why Default Won’t Happen

The only way default happens is if Obama chooses to default.

There is more than enough money to pay the interest on our debt.

Obama would have to choose to violate the 14th amendment and pay for other government spending (like paying “essential” workers ON A HOLIDAY to rebuild barriers at war Memorials) and not pay the interest on our debt.

Obama says, “Don’t call my bluff.”

ITguy on October 15, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 8:47 AM

I think that perhaps he believes that McConnell,McCain, and Graham are more easily swayed, in terms of the Vichy Republicans, and, as you say, they in turn, will influnce the Vichy in the House.

kingsjester on October 15, 2013 at 8:53 AM

That’s why Democrats who feel they won a short-term win in this deal will only celebrate for a minimal period, because as soon as the shutdown and debt ceiling are off the front pages, the incompetence and massive new costs in ObamaCare will replace them.

Wonder if the entire freaking Middle East blowing up, the IRS abuses, the Benghazi travesty, and…am I forgetting something…oh yes, the Fast and Furious disaster–among numerous other abominations–might make it back onto the front pages?

Nah–how could the Party that allowed Hoffman, Redford and Bradlee (the original metrosexual) to destroy a presidency, based on a single pathetic politics-as-usual stunt, accomplish this?

horatio on October 15, 2013 at 8:55 AM

They like to say it’s just a tactical difference, but their preferred tactic is always to cave.

bluegill on October 15, 2013 at 8:46 AM

That’s why I want the fight now. I’m sick and tired of the GOP caving with promises that they’ll really get their agenda through with a few more months of can kicking. The time for a showdown has come. My only regret is having a coward as Speaker of the House who didn’t even want to go this far.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Spot on doughboy dear leader doesn’t follow the law now

cmsinaz on October 15, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Republicans control the House. The House controls the checkbook. The House controls the government. Do all the Repubs (including the Speaker) need to go back through Freshman orientation?
 
They tell the President (and Co-Vice Presidents Reid and Biden), “You can have $___ trillion, not a penny more. Bring us a budget with that number at the bottom and we’ll pass it.”
 
IndieDogg on October 15, 2013 at 8:08 AM

 
Murphy9 on October 15, 2013 at 8:11 AM

 
Great post. Thanks. Repeat often.

rogerb on October 15, 2013 at 8:57 AM

I said exactly this last night to my mom. OTOH, if the deal is signed, and they aren’t allowed to won’t write about obamalamadingdongcare , what WILL they write about? One can only write so many columns about those inept, intransigent, suicide vest-wearing Republicans.

herm2416 on October 15, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Please. Did you see the 2012 election? The media will talk about ANYTHING if it allows them to ignore any stories that reflect badly on Obama. Remember Big Bird, Sandra Fluke, Todd Akin, binders of women, Romney’s dog? And it’s not like there weren’t serious issues at hand in last year’s election? The media downplayed virtually every single one of them so they could focus on trivial BS like taxpayer-subsidized birth control which has never in my lifetime been important in any election at any level of government.

Doughboy on October 15, 2013 at 8:57 AM

I think that perhaps he believes that McConnell,McCain, and Graham are more easily swayed, in terms of the Vichy Republicans, and, as you say, they in turn, will influnce the Vichy in the House.

kingsjester on October 15, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Well, he only has to sell to 6 5 Surrendercans (after Absentee Booker frauds his way to another win) in the Senate, but he has to sell to 17 in the House.

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 9:03 AM

And what guarantee do we have that Obama will actually adhere to that agreement? He pretty much does whatever the hell he pleases at this point since no one ever calls him on it.

Doughboy on October 15, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Point. However I think it will be easier for the GOP to sue Obama if he refuses to enforce it. Enforcement was only implied as part of the Employer Mandate, but this will now be a separate issue.

BigGator5 on October 15, 2013 at 9:04 AM

The major problem with the alternative history is the false assumption the News media would COVER all the runup townhalls and the like; they would TOTALLY have censored it all. As they have for the Tea Party warning on Obamacare. Warnings we have been issuing for 4 YEARS and even now are ignored in the media.

michaelo on October 15, 2013 at 9:16 AM

And what guarantee do we have that Obama will actually adhere to that agreement? He pretty much does whatever the hell he pleases at this point since no one ever calls him on it.

Doughboy on October 15, 2013 at 8:36 AM

This is how far this Administration has diverted us from a Nation of Laws to a Nation of men.

We’ve come to the point where we are negiotiating to make the President follow his own law. That’ll push the Republican agenda forward!

What are the R’s going to do, put “and we really mean it” at the end of the enforcement clause?

We’re going down the rabbit hole folks.

Say no Boehner, then we can get to some serious talks.

WisRich on October 15, 2013 at 9:18 AM

because as soon as the shutdown and debt ceiling are off the front pages, the incompetence and massive new costs in ObamaCare will replace them.

No it won’t. What can’t be fixed will be covered up.

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Well now that Ted Cruz has exhumed Sarah Palin’s political career I’m sure that this nation is headed in the right direction. A few more stunts with American veterans as stage props is sure to turn the tide.

MJBrutus on October 15, 2013 at 9:28 AM

each party got a fix to the Affordable Care Act

Republicans can stop right and here and right now with “fixing” Obamacare. Couldn’t repeal, couldn’t defund…so that’s that. No need to start tinkering around the edges. All or nothing. Let the law wash over the masses in all it’s glory.
Republican attempts to “fix” the law will spun into them picking the law apart and sabotaging it.
“Well, this and that would have worked better if the Republicans hadn’t interfered”…I can hear it now.

Give the majority of the voting public exactly what they supported.

lynncgb on October 15, 2013 at 9:47 AM

MJBrutus on October 15, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Sorry that the majority of people who sent Representatives to the House want to be heard, so very boring. We should all shut up and take anything Obama gives us graciously, like good little surrender monkeys. I guess dissent is only patriotic when the Right is in the WH or when winning is a slam dunk and brings us Obamacare. Good things come to those who shut up.

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 9:47 AM

We’ve come to the point where we are negotiating to make the President follow his own law.

WisRich on October 15, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Exactly….and then we’re supposed to believe it’s a concession by the Democrats and a win!
It’s so inadequate that it’s laughable.

lynncgb on October 15, 2013 at 9:57 AM

SHUT THE WHOLE DAMNED THING DOWN!

GarandFan on October 15, 2013 at 10:01 AM

This cloud has a silver lining, though. Whatever deal gets made will mean that, after a spate of media stories about federal workers returning to work and markets settling down for the next few months on the debt ceiling, the attention will shift back to the ObamaCare exchanges and the sticker shock (more on this later).

This really is a spineless talking point. Really? roll over and hope for the liberal media to take Obamacare down?

RINOs are always pleading about how they would love to support more conservative causes except they hate to put their necks out on the line for anything with less than 49.9% chance for success. This plan has a 0.000001% chance of succeeding.

sauldalinsky on October 15, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 9:47 AM

No matter how many times it’s explained, you just don’t get it. The problem is not the goal, the problem is the counter-productive pols who keep taking us further from our goals. The ones who primp and pose and pretend to be “fighting” for us but are in fact just putting on a show. Spare me the snarky sarcasm and self-righteous posing. Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, Christine O’Donnell (who I hear is making another go at it) are examples of the kind of toxic, self-promoting con artists who most of HotAir refuses to get wise to.

MJBrutus on October 15, 2013 at 10:11 AM

The only way such a strategy fails is if the House itself chooses for it to fail. Let the Senate and Obama be the ones to decide whether to default or not.
Stoic Patriot on October 15, 2013 at 8:09 AM

This. Too easy to call the progressives’ bluff.

AH_C on October 15, 2013 at 10:26 AM

That’s why Democrats who feel they won a short-term win in this deal will only celebrate for a minimal period, because as soon as the shutdown and debt ceiling are off the front pages, the incompetence and massive new costs in ObamaCare will replace them.

You’re cute when you’re optimistic, Ed.

The_Livewire on October 15, 2013 at 8:08 AM

Naivete more than optimism, to think that the old liberal media won’t be able to come up with a new topic of distraction.

Hey, how about that Redskin name?

slickwillie2001 on October 15, 2013 at 10:47 AM

MJBrutus on October 15, 2013 at 10:11 AM

If we don’t fight, our side never gets mentioned. But then what I consider our side, isn’t your side is it? Both are strategies and you and I disagree on which is the correct one. The polls will be mad at Republicans for a hundred different things by the time the election happens next year and if by some miracle Obamacare becomes easy and cheap, it won’t matter. I never mentioned any of those folks but I’m not a Republican and I don’t give a flying sh!t about the party that is doing nothing but be Democrats. Why would I spare you snark while you get to dish it out freely. Is that a guy thing or a establishment Republican thing? If I wanted someone to tell me how to talk and think, I’d be a Democrat.

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 11:16 AM

But then what I consider our side, isn’t your side is it?

Oh dear, another one coming to take away my Conservative card. Gee, I’m sorry hall monitor.

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Here, let me draw you a map:

Where we want to be ———– We are here

cliff

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Cruz/Palin

But you keep on following your leaders.

MJBrutus on October 15, 2013 at 11:23 AM

MJBrutus on October 15, 2013 at 11:23 AM

I’m not following anyone, I’m just glad someone is verbalizing my concerns instead of rolling over and playing dead. So you keep wringing your hands and we will both hope it all turns out for the best. I’m just not sure we would agree on what is best.

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM