Rumor: House might go home after passing new shutdown/debt ceiling offer; Update: WH rejects new House plan; Update: Boehner lacks the votes?

posted at 11:21 am on October 15, 2013 by Allahpundit

Just a rumor, but the NRO guys have been reliably tapped-in throughout this process.

We’ll see. In a way, this would be a perfect ending to this trainwreck: A big show of “toughness” that will almost certainly backfire politically while gaining the party almost nothing in concessions. The new GOP offer to the Senate is a very modest “ask” — repealing a medical-device tax that Reid himself considers “stupid,” forcing government officials (but not their staffs) onto the ObamaCare exchanges, and demanding half-assed enforcement of Obama’s anti-fraud provisions. In a sane world Reid would accept it instantly in return for ending the shutdown and raising the debt ceiling, but Democrats have never been interested in a policy deal out of this process. They want to teach the GOP a lesson that fiscal brinksmanship doesn’t pay, and so, with the debt ceiling 48 hours away, we now have a big showdown over whether the “defund” effort will end up with one percent of what it wanted originally or, if Reid wins, absolute zero. Ramesh Ponnuru puts it succinctly:

If Reid would rather tank the economy by hitting the debt ceiling than accept a meager House counter-offer, he should answer for that. But, precisely because the offer is so meager (more a “modification” of the Senate bill than a House counteroffer), Boehner et al. may calculate that they need to do something to “impress” disappointed conservatives. Adjourning and heading home after the House bill passes to show that this is their take-it-or-leave-it middle-finger final offer to Obama might do that — but it’ll also let O, Reid, and the media jump up and down and pronounce Republicans callously indifferent to hitting the debt ceiling. It would also undercut the whole “let’s talk” message that Republicans like Boehner and Rand Paul have been pushing for the past two weeks. So that’s where we are right now, with Reid wondering whether a sweetheart deal isn’t quite sweetheart enough to justify avoiding a major economic crisis and Boehner possibly ready to shoot the party in the foot again by doing something which he thinks will endear the House GOP to righties but probably won’t matter much to them.

As Ed noted in the last post, I don’t understand why, with so little time left, Boehner and Reid are haggling over penny ante concessions instead of agreeing on a clean debt-ceiling hike in the name of averting technical default. When I floated that idea on Twitter, a bunch of conservatives tweeted back that I was selling out and siding with Reid. Either they’re confused or I’m confused because, as of a few days ago, raising the debt ceiling was an idea supported even by some tea-party bigwigs. The idea is to punt the debt ceiling down the road for a few months and then dig in on the shutdown in order to extract major ObamaCare concessions from the White House; the only disagreement with Democrats is over how long the debt-ceiling hike should last and whether there should be any token concessions attached to it. At this late hour, Boehner would probably be willing to pass a clean hike in the name of averting hitting the debt limit and Reid would probably accept it even though it doesn’t end the shutdown and would raise the ceiling for a much shorter term than he’d like. (Last week he introduced a bill to raise the debt limit for a full year. It failed in the Senate.) A four-month debt-ceiling raise, which would be right in line with the emerging Reid/McConnell bill, presumably could pass relatively easily. Boehner could even sell it to conservatives as a victory in the sense that he’d preserved their ObamaCare leverage by refusing to end the shutdown. That deal would have a shot at being rubber-stamped by both chambers before the Thursday debt-ceiling deadline. The current deal probably doesn’t, which means we’re likely to find out what happens when the debt ceiling is reached.

Update: Like I was saying, no deal:

Update: Note the timeline — and the reference to members on “both sides.” Au revoir, Hastert Rule?

Update: Chaos:

As I write this, Reid is on the Senate floor dumping on the House proposal, which appears to be DOA even in the House — in its current form. Might be a clean debt-ceiling hike or nothing now.

Update: Here’s the big tweak that’s going to get Boehner to 218:

In other words, the House bill as modified will be even less palatable to the Senate. All both sides are doing now is killing time when there’s not much time left.

Update: CNN is also hearing that Boehner doesn’t have the votes for his own proposal right now.


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Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid: This OFA Anti-TP Protest At The Capitol Is HUGE, HUGE, HUGE!

Resist We Much on October 15, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Sunday’s rally had people showing up with American flags. Families with strollers. Vets in wheelchairs. Double amputees and other war heroes.

This looks like OFA rounded up the interns or something.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 1:15 PM

redguy on October 15, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Ditto. Obama hasn’t finished doing his worst yet I am afraid to say…

Scrumpy on October 15, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Obama Ratchets Up Cloward and Piven

http://www.trevorloudon.com/2013/10/obama-ratchets-up-cloward-and-piven/

The US Department of Agriculture is now telling states across the country that supplemental nutrition assistance programs (food stamps) will be halted indefinitely until further notice on November 1st if the Republicans don’t cave to Obama and the Marxists. Give in, or people go hungry and the food rioting will begin. Watch it Bam, Bam… your fascist face is showing. Think long and hard about what this says about a President who will do this to his people. Remember the Killing Fields of Cambodia… Remember the Holodomor of Russia.

redguy on October 15, 2013 at 1:16 PM

OMFG! This OFA anti-TP protest at the Capitol is HUGE, HUGE, HUGE!

Resist We Much on October 15, 2013 at 12:49 PM

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog
How can you tell if it’s a left protest? It happens during the work week
http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/14/ofa-to-hold-protest-against-the-tea-party-in-d-c-on-tuesday/

ITguy on October 15, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Am I missing something here? What’s with all these repetitions of “Boehner has a plan”/”Wait, Boehner doesn’t have the votes”?

How hard is this? Get the GOP members in one room. Describe the plan. Ask who will vote for it. Count them. If the number is less than 218, propose another plan. Or ask someone else to propose another plan. And keep trying until you get 218 votes for a plan that has at least a chance of getting approved by the Senate.

And stop making an ass of yourself by flailing in public.

And as for the Senate, they should just STFU. The Senate GOP doesn’t have the votes to pass their own bill or the balls to filibuster the Deocrates bill. That m,eans their influence on this should be zero. They should not be negotiating with the Democrats and against the the House GOP.

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

SwampYankee on October 15, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Just pass a take it or leave CR that defunds marxist care and go hone. Let the dems, their media, RINOs and whoever else whine until the end if time.

bgibbs1000 on October 15, 2013 at 1:25 PM

HHS Sec Sebelius has a ‘Freudian slip’…

Athos on October 15, 2013 at 1:00 PM

We are bringing Western civilization to its knees by selling private insurance plans on a web site where people pick and choose.”

- Kathleen Sebelius, Health and Human Services Secretary

What does that remind me of?

But my journey is part of a larger journey- one shared by all who’ve ever sought to apply the values of their faith to our society. It’s a journey that takes us back to our nation’s founding, when none other than a UCC church inspired the Boston Tea Party and helped bring an Empire to its knees.

- Barack Hussein Obama June 23, 2007

Yes, it appears that Barack Obama and Kathleen Sebelius are “fellow travellers” on the journey to bring the “Empire” of Western civilization “to its knees”.

Who else wants to bring the U.S. “Empire” to its knees?

Bill Ayers on his blog September 10, 2008:

“The end of an empire is messy at best….

and this one is ending like all the rest.” Randy Newman

Ayers posted that the day before the 7th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks, and less than 2 months before the election of Barack Hussein Obama to the Presidency… the same Barack Hussein Obama who started his political career in Bill Ayers’ living room, and who said that he shares his life’s journey with all who have ever sought to… bring an empire to its knees.

ITguy on October 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM

instead of agreeing on a clean debt-ceiling hike in the name of averting technical default

This is plainly the smartest move right now. When fighting a pitched battle in which the odds are stacked against you, sometimes it’s best to pull back and regroup.

What does it buy us? Badly need time to plot a cohesive strategy and articulate it with a single voice. That’s been missing since the beginning of this fight.

And I have to say Allah, we don’t agree often, but we agree on this.

Who is killing the party? Well, the people on Twitter yelling RINO!, saying any compromise (the way our government works, by the way) is a sellout and shouting the loudest.

You want anarchy? Find a kingdom to live in. I am a little sick of people who can’t reason for themselves and understand what is actually achievable and what is impossible.

Marcus Traianus on October 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM

redguy on October 15, 2013 at 1:16 PM

So the Republicans want the government shut down, they just don’t want any government services to stop?

libfreeordie on October 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM

So the Republicans want the government shut down, they just don’t want any government services to stop?

libfreeordie on October 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM

The person ending SNAP on November 1 is Obama.

sentinelrules on October 15, 2013 at 1:29 PM

And who else wants to bring the U.S. “Empire” to its knees?

The Communist Party USA, as exlicitly stated in their Constitution:

With Marxism-Leninism guiding our actions, the Communist Party strives to build the broadest unity against global capitalist imperialism now headed by U.S. imperialism, for immediate gains and reforms that benefit working people, and for a progressive democratization of the government, the economy, and society of our country on the road to and after winning socialism.

See also their party program:

The Road to Socialism USA

ITguy on October 15, 2013 at 1:30 PM

“explicitly”

ITguy on October 15, 2013 at 1:33 PM

The person ending SNAP on November 1 is Obama.

sentinelrules on October 15, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Exactly.

If we don’t increase the debt limit, and exhaust the “extraordinary measures”, then Obama is in the driver’s seat in deciding what gets paid.

What he chooses to fund (NPS barrier re-building at war memorials) and what he chooses to cut (SNAP) is very enlightening.

Remember this campaign promise?

“I want to go line by line through every item in the federal budget and eliminate programs that don’t work…”

- Barack Obama, 2008

Well, now the rubber meets the road.

Is Obama suggesting that the SNAP program doesn’t work?

ITguy on October 15, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Listening to Rush today echoing the arguments I have been making here for a while about the reasons our conservative representatives are right to stand & fight.

Allah & Ed need to listen up. Along with most of the punditocracy, both are so focused on the short term political battles they have lost sight of the long-term war with Progressivism and its Democrat pimps.

The battles currently being fought may not be won, but Obama has been exposed as petty & vindictive little man, and his tools exposed for the little Eichmanns they are. People are beginning to realize that the government and its massive and self-interested bureaucracy are positive threats to our freedom and prosperity.

Some battles will be won, some lost, others come to stalemate. But some of the damage inflicted on Obama and his crew in the process can never be repaired. It will bring them down in the end.

novaculus on October 15, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid: This OFA Anti-TP Protest At The Capitol Is HUGE, HUGE, HUGE!

Resist We Much on October 15, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Just read the following . . . they couldn’t fill a clown car http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/liveblog/live-updates-the-shutdown-8/?hpid=z2#b16d7516-c739-4a3e-a730-03dfd71ad033

rplat on October 15, 2013 at 1:43 PM

What Ed and Allah never do seem to want to answer is: If we give Dingy Harry and President Petulant what they want then why support the GOP at all in the first place?

If the Dems will get what they want all the time regardless of the party in power, then why should the GOP get ANY support at all?

Allah? Ed? Feel like answering that?

tphillip on October 15, 2013 at 11:30 AM

No, it’s always for the possibility of a promise to maybe get crumbs off the table at a later date. That’s all the GOP is good for. Ed and Allah are in Empty Promise Land. I hope someday they get over their Stockholm syndrome.

Dongemaharu on October 15, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Given this, he, Dingy Harry, and the DNC leadership, are all convinced that by forcing the government shutdown, forcing a US default, and with the mantra laying the blame on the reviled Tea Party, they can sweep to an even greater majority in Congress in November 2014 than they held in the first two years of the Obama Administration. With that, they can resume ramming fascism down our throats in a ‘legal’ manner.

Athos on October 15, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Everything is possible in politics but something has lower possibility of happening… The democrats having equal or larger majority than they had in 2009-2010 is less possible than not having these majorities… Our jobs is to make sure that they will not achieve these majorities…

mnjg on October 15, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Allah & Ed need to listen up. Along with most of the punditocracy, both are so focused on the short term political battles they have lost sight of the long-term war with Progressivism and its Democrat pimps.

novaculus on October 15, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Among the appeasers there is also a child-like innocence. The appeasers actually think that Republicans can work with Democrats through mutual-respect, trust, and with the good of the nation as the only goal. It’s sweet at first but after watching the GOP get steamrolled time and again then it becomes less cute.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 1:50 PM

7% closed is not a shutdown. No one even notices.

The debt ceiling is settled law and yields a balanced budget.

Congress! Go home and come back after Easter break.

crash72 on October 15, 2013 at 1:52 PM

So the Republicans want the government shut down, they just don’t want any government services to stop?

libfreeordie on October 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM

The liberal RINO republicans are afraid of Obama…..

Conservatives are not – let Obama shut down food stamps…..
Let him get on TV and say it’s the Republicans fault…..
Let him go to camps where people are starving (conservatives won’t let people starve)

This will backfire for Obama and cause inner city riots that will stain the democrats
not the Republicans.

redguy on October 15, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Why shouldn’t Obama just hold out for more?

Hells Bells, note to Jay Carney……why don’t you just go ahead and ask for another $1 trillion “shutdown kickstart stimulus” and blame the need for it…..on the gop?

Make it TWO TRILLION…..or THREE TRILLION.


Why not? If the gop leadership is this weak then kick the corpse some more?

Does ANYONE, ANYONE, need any more proof that the gop is dead?

PappyD61 on October 15, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Palin: ‘Defaulting On Our National Debt Is An Impeachable Offense’

Dongemaharu on October 15, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Listened to Reid and Durbin on the senate floor. Talk about over-the-top rhetoric. The object of the democrats at this point is to completely destroy the GOP. They are going to make them pay for getting out of line with the agenda. Well, I’m fine with that. Maybe out of the ashes of the GOP flameout we can build a party that actually stands for something.

KickandSwimMom on October 15, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Republicans are mean. They won’t give Obama what he wants.

mrscullen on October 15, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Let it ride.

Bmore on October 15, 2013 at 2:00 PM

I agree with AP. Pass the clean debt limit extension and then double down on the CR.

Boehner is an idiot.

DRayRaven on October 15, 2013 at 11:37 AM

NOPE, he and the gop leadership are Progressive, big government loving kindred spirits of Obama.

That’s why we keep getting the same results all the time. Because there is only one real party rule in America….PROGRESSIVE.

PappyD61 on October 15, 2013 at 2:00 PM

So the Republicans want the government shut down, they just don’t want any government services to stop?

libfreeordie on October 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Obama and the democrats are the ones causing the government shutdown by not accepting any bill that does not fund Obamacare… The Republicans should just let the people suffer under Obamacare…

mnjg on October 15, 2013 at 2:03 PM

I hope the House passes the full Vitter amendment and leaves town. Everyone aboard the Obamacare train(wreck)!

monalisa on October 15, 2013 at 2:25 PM

ROFL@Obama’s logo.

Murphy9 on October 15, 2013 at 2:31 PM

How about a plan whereby they all go home until the next election without pay. That especially goes for Obama. Keep the government shut down and freeze the debt limit. The only ones who’ll notice are the grant recipients, federal employees, foreign countries and our own parasites. I don’t have any sympathy for any of them. I think that we can all live without barricaded monuments for a year given the upside.

cajunpatriot on October 15, 2013 at 2:33 PM

While we are concerned with the Debt Ceiling increase etc. this is on the front burner.

President Obama is seeking power the Constitution has assigned to Congress. Soon, he will formally ask Congress to surrender its constitutional authority and grant him “Fast Track” Trade Promotion Authority.

President Obama wants fast track power so he can conclude the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), an expansive system of global governance that would deal a mortal blow to American sovereignty and our Constitution.

Fast track overrides the Constitution once — the Trans-Pacific Partnership overrides it forever.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/11/No-Fast-Track-for-Obama-s-next-power-grab

bluefox on October 15, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Market getting a little nervous.

[Obama]: “What took you guys so long”

WisRich on October 15, 2013 at 2:55 PM

The Republican “Strategy” is insane. They should have passed the cr with a mandate that the ACA be completely inforced. No waivers or exceptions. In addition – it should apply to the president, congress, staffs and all federal employees. This would have worked for the American people. Americans are fair. This would have been fair. JB doesn’t want it for staffs and wants to delay the medical device tax. Why? You want the maximum pain inflicted by the ACA. JB is an alcoholic and an idiot.

They should raise the debt limit until January 15th with an insistence that it will not be raised again unless Harry Reid agrees to their budget.

They complicated the process and boxed themselves into a corner. The Republican Party and their consultants screwed up. They are worthless.

In the end the Republicans will look like fools and cave to all of Obama’s demands. The unions will get something out of it and JB will go have a smoke and a drink.

alanstern on October 15, 2013 at 2:58 PM

This is an easy position for the House Republicans, if they had spines:
All the Republicans in the house need to do is to say: “We have passed and sent to the senate 3 (is it 4?) separate, independently sufficient, bills to solve this democrat- created crisis. All the democrats and Obama need to do is to choose one. The democrats can complain all they want, but they have it in their power to choose a solution. This is now all on the democrats.”

GaltBlvnAtty on October 15, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Burn it down…

Wyznowski on October 15, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Late to the play pen…had work to do.

It would also undercut the whole “let’s talk” message that Republicans like Boehner and Rand Paul have been pushing for the past two weeks.

good one Allah, that message was really gaining steam wasn’t it?

getting the income verification was the biggest issue in this negotiation ands to the core of the democrats tactics over the past five years, go home house. LIB.

DanMan on October 15, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Yawn…..We picked a battle that we couldn’t win. We control only the House, not the Senate or the Presidency. And now commentors are whining about the Speaker, as usual. Lol. As I stated many a time, the Hill is gonna reach a last minute deal, as they always do. And commentors here are gonna rile against the Speaker. Thats like, normal. Lol. A bit of advice – pick battles that you can win.

tommy71 on October 15, 2013 at 3:35 PM

pick battles that you can win.

tommy71 on October 15, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Yeah, like fighting the entire British nation and a kings army against all odds because freedom is worth it.

Your philosophy is what got us here–it’s called “freedom is hardly worth undue risk.” I’ll bet you sleep with a fire extinguisher under your pillow–just in case….

Don L on October 15, 2013 at 3:49 PM

On a day when there isn’t much to smile about this is priceless.

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 3:58 PM

I am a little sick of people who can’t reason for themselves and understand what is actually achievable and what is impossible.

Marcus Traianus on October 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM

This is called “Checks and Balances” dumbass.

Also, if you think for a second that the GOP will win any popularity contest in the “press” if they compromise on this, you’re an idiot.

They are going to be perceived as the problem whether something is passed or not. The sooner you deal with that, the better.

-west

mr_west on October 15, 2013 at 4:03 PM

mr_west on October 15, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Indeed!

The GOP controls the house that holds the purse; and, they are accountable to no one but their constituents. We elected them to stop the Progressives’ agenda, and that is what they should do.

Do not pass anything until the Progressives capitulate (and beg).

Droopy on October 15, 2013 at 4:11 PM

mr_west on October 15, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Amen!

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Who is killing the party? Well, the people on Twitter yelling RINO!, saying any compromise (the way our government works, by the way) is a sellout and shouting the loudest.

You want anarchy? Find a kingdom to live in. I am a little sick of people who can’t reason for themselves and understand what is actually achievable and what is impossible.

Marcus Traianus

Harry Reid and Barack Obama thank you for your support.

The idea is to punt the debt ceiling down the road for a few months and then dig in on the shutdown in order to extract major ObamaCare concessions from the White House;

Which makes about as much sense as pissing in the wind. The threat of a financial collapse(per Obama’s own words) isn’t enough to gain any concessions, but a meaningless government “shutdown” where 83% of the government is still running can get us major concessions, lol.

xblade on October 15, 2013 at 4:39 PM

A bit of advice – pick battles that you can win.

tommy71

There are no battles we can win. See, we only control the House, remember?

Time for republicans to go home until 2014 I guess, and just let dems do what they want until then.

xblade on October 15, 2013 at 4:43 PM

The GOP HAD ALREADY WON on the CR, with sequester phase 2 intact. There was no good reason to step on our own d#cks by fighting over the CR.

The fight needed to be over the DL extension, with public opinion behind us, bolstered by the fiasco of the Obamacare roll-out.

The conservatives’ tactical decisions have been insane.

matthew8787 on October 15, 2013 at 8:36 PM

If they go home, it won’t be to talk to their constituents. They don’t have the b***s.

RdLake on October 16, 2013 at 6:52 AM

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