Hannity: Maybe it’s time for a new conservative party

posted at 8:01 pm on October 15, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via the Daily Caller, maybe it’s time. Until recently, centrist GOPers would greet tea-party saber-rattling about going third party with a Vader-esque “nooooooooooo.” Lately, based on what I see on Twitter, the feeling seems to be more of a “hmmmmmmm.” If you believe that RINOs are no different from Democrats then there’s no reason to fear losing to Democrats repeatedly over the short- and medium-term due to a split right-wing vote. And if you believe that the tea party is destroying the Republican Party’s brand, amputating it now might be the only way to preserve the GOP as a rallying point for center-right voters. In theory, without very conservative voters in the party, some centrists who’ve been reluctantly voting Democratic lately due to fear/loathing of the right will decide it’s safe to come home to the newly RINO-esque GOP. Won’t be enough to stop Hillary, but then, that’s not the point. The whole point of the centrist/conservative brawling lately is that each side seems to see the other, not the Democrats, as the most immediate, threatening obstacle to good government in America. Hard to keep a movement together when it’s in a state like that.

So here’s conservative Sean Hannity saying maybe it’s time for a right-wing third party, and here’s centrist David Frum saying, “Yeah, maybe.”

Pragmatists want to change the GOP so that it can win elections and govern effectively. Tea party Republicans prefer to express their principles regardless of consequences, which is why the Pew survey in September found that 71% of them favored a government shutdown even though nearly 40% of them expected that shutdown to have a “major” impact on the economy…

Yet politics is a complicated business, and it’s not always true that a party is weakened by the departure of its most extreme supporters…

Right now, tea party extremism contaminates the whole Republican brand. It’s a very interesting question whether a tea party bolt from the GOP might not just liberate the party to slide back to the political center — and liberate Republicans from identification with the Sarah Palins and the Ted Cruzes who have done so much harm to their hopes over the past three election cycles.

It’s worth repeating over and over again. Add Todd Akin in Missouri and Richard Mourdock in Indiana, Sharron Angle in Nevada and Ken Buck in Colorado, Christine O’Donnell in Delaware and Joe Miller in Alaska — and you have half a dozen Senate races lost to the GOP by extremist nominations.

Simple math for both wings: If you think the RINOs/tea partiers are ultimately costing you more votes than they’re winning you, then you should consider accepting near-term losses to Democrats after a schism as the price of being able to rebrand and build a party platform that truly represents your constituency. For RINOs, that would mean mild spending cuts and very mild entitlement reform, if any; for tea partiers, it would mean more aggressive cuts and reforms. On social issues, RINOs would likely back gay marriage and amnesty; tea partiers would oppose both. You might even see foreign-policy delineations emerge, with RINOs sticking to Bush-esque hawkishness and tea partiers tilting a bit more towards the Paul “non-interventionist” position.

A key question: If it did happen, would that drag Democrats further to the center or further to the left? They’d have a chokehold on national elections with the right divided, which is precisely why some lefties would feel tempted to up their own demands of the Democratic leadership. “Do what we want,” they’d say, “or we’ll bolt like the tea partiers did and then your national advantage will be gone.” This is why, I think, centrists like Frum want to make sure there’s a RINO alternative to the tea party — if liberals did start muscling Democrats towards the left, a center-right outlet would be a natural safe harbor for centrist Democrats who are disaffected by their party’s leftward turn. On the other hand, if Democrats tacked towards the center to preserve their national chokehold over the right, that would mean (a) a somewhat more right-wing Democratic Party than we have now and (b) a lot of disaffected liberals, who might eye what the tea party did and start thinking about forming a third (or rather fourth) party of their own. In fact, one point overlooked by most people in the big Gallup poll of third-party fee-vah last week is that Democratic voters increasingly like the idea too:

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Imagine the electorate split in four — the Liberal Party with 10 percent of the vote, the Democrats with 40 percent, the GOP with 30 percent, and the Tea Party with 20. Imagine trying to blog that madness every two years during the midterm campaign. Two words, my friends: Traffic goldmine.


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Second terms almost without fail will implode on their own, particularly when the president himself plants the bomb in the form of a health care disaster. We just have to look like the adults in the room in 2016 which is the next chance to seize the necessary political power to really start to undo this mess.

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Good luck with that. You think we’re going to convince the LIVs if we couldn’t convince them yet?

People hate Obama’s policies, but love Obama. They’re cultists. Hillary is a similar cult figure. We can’t beat her with people like Jeb Bush, and electing Chris Christie is a surefire ticket to 8 more years of Dubya-esque big government policies.

the Obamacare rollout and all the problems with it should be the dominant news story right now, not the doomed-from-the-outset shutdown move.

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Aw, that’s cute. You think they wouldn’t have found a way to blame that on the GOP, too.

Good Solid B-Plus on October 15, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Why should a party that lies about acting on their principles be allowed to hold power?

dominigan on October 15, 2013 at 10:54 PM

They didn’t win enough to act on their principles though. If the GOP held the House, Senate and the White House and were caving on Obamacare then that would be something different and I’d be here spitting mad with the rest of you, but they didn’t.

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Second terms almost without fail will implode on their own, particularly when the president himself plants the bomb in the form of a health care disaster. We just have to look like the adults in the room in 2016 which is the next chance to seize the necessary political power to really start to undo this mess.

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:11 PM

ROTFL!

There will be no “undoing this mess” with the gutless establishment Republicans in charge. You’re less able to catch a clue than Sean Hannity, congratulations.

Here’s a musical response:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q

ebrown2 on October 15, 2013 at 11:16 PM

I was enamored with Christie early on when he was taking it to the union hacks but I got done with him about the same time everyone else did when we finally got to know him. I don’t think I’ve ever said a kind word about Jeb Bush.

Are you confusing me with someone else?

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:13 PM

No. I really don’t care who you personally like. Your brand of establishment-leaning, old school, consensus-building/poll-driven politics will always end up with the least offensive candidate, though.

KingGold was a fan of a few non-Romney candidates, IIRC, but it didn’t matter. His style of old school politics will ALWAYS lead to the Romney-esque candidate winning the primary.

I had the same delusions as you. I thought we could win in 2012 by playing smart politics. It’s a lie, man. The game is rigged.

Good Solid B-Plus on October 15, 2013 at 11:17 PM

False dichotomy. There is not a schism between only Cruz/Hannity cultists and center-right “RINOs,” also traditional conservatives are rebelling against the stupidity of the Cruzifarians in forcing a fight that could never be won with neither a plan nor consultation – and in fact attacking GOP Senators in their home states without so much as the courtesy of a heads-up. These are not the actions of allies.

Alliances are two way streets, and Cruzifarians have repeatedly shown they aren’t interested in consultation or discussion about what they are going to do.

Better to see them off now than spend another few decades listening to their third party threats. Let them find out the hard way that the grassroots support they think will rally to them won’t materialize any more than the public pressure they expected to help their shutdown antics.

Adjoran on October 15, 2013 at 11:17 PM

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APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 15, 2013 at 11:18 PM

I’m sorry, I’m sure many of you conservative true believers are decent people (Obama voter Honda excepted), but the majority of you are clearly insane. And why can’t you make an intelligent argument without personal insults and name-calling?

Rightwing whiz kid Needham is opposed to deep-sixing the medical device tax–a huge job killer that will stiffle innovation and harm healthcare advances–because doing so will look like corporate cronyism. A conservative against getting rid of a new tax…no wonder the majority of the American public thinks the only thing the far-right wants is to gum up the works.

I give King Gold so much credit…talking about “fighting the good fight,” the endless mantra of the conservative true believers…I just don’t have the time and energy to push back at commenters like melle and the even more radical “let it burn” crew, who constantly deny political realities and can only engage by insulting the “trolls” and “RINOs” who disagree with them.

There are about a dozen commenters at HA (several of them in this thread) who argue rationally and make the comments worth reading. The rest of you need to start thinking about the common good rather than trying to jam your extremist philosophy down everyone else’s throats.

You know, what the libs did with ObamaCare.

Meredith on October 15, 2013 at 10:04 PM

I understand what you are saying. I could have written some of this myself before the election trying to advocate people to give Romney a vote in order to try to change things from within.

However, they abandoned us. Romney couldn’t fight, the rest of them ignored their base and actually insulted us. Remember how some of us (myself included) laughed when Obama went on Entertainment Tonight and the other gossip shows? Uh huh. I stopped laughing the night of the election.

The fact that the GOP are even considering amnesty (amongst other things) and are pretty much in their default position of grabbing their ankles tells me it’s over – they are rotten to the core and either a painful purge or a third party is the only way.

Do you think there’s anything left to save? It appears a lot of us don’t anymore.

That was lost for me watching a corrupt election get lost by a man (and political party) who didn’t seem to care. I don’t think I’m alone in this train of thought.

kim roy on October 15, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Good luck with that. You think we’re going to convince the LIVs if we couldn’t convince them yet?

People hate Obama’s policies, but love Obama. They’re cultists. Hillary is a similar cult figure. We can’t beat her with people like Jeb Bush, and electing Chris Christie is a surefire ticket to 8 more years of Dubya-esque big government policies.

You don’t need to try very hard to convince me the American people easily get sucked in by slick packaging. Why are you still trying to tie me to Christie and Jeb Bush? If they run I won’t be supporting either of them in the primaries; give me Jindal, Paul, Scott Walker or Paul Ryan before either of those wastes of (sometimes ample) space.

Aw, that’s cute. You think they wouldn’t have found a way to blame that on the GOP, too.

Good Solid B-Plus on October 15, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Tough to blame the GOP for something every Republican member of Congress opposed and they’ve been campaigning against since it was conceived.

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:20 PM

How about we just force the Progressives to join their real political soul mates in the Democrat party??

Either way this President is taking us over the Fiscal cliff and going to bury the republicans as an effective opposition.

Political civil war anyone?

PappyD61 on October 15, 2013 at 11:20 PM

ROTFL!

There will be no “undoing this mess” with the gutless establishment Republicans in charge. You’re less able to catch a clue than Sean Hannity, congratulations.

Here’s a musical response:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q

ebrown2 on October 15, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Every Republican in DC opposed Obamacare when it was passed. Do you have any facts to back up your assertion that what you’re classifying as establishment Republicans would fail to act on Obamacare if they had the power to do so (which, just to clarify, they don’t have right now)?

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:22 PM

It is a biker bar fight in the parking lot behind the bar.

The thug Democrats are useing Harley chains and tire wrenches and they jumbed U.S. in the dark from behind.

The R’s in office had the RipVanWinkel deal going and were asleep in the band bus. When they did wake up they thought it would be a Golden Gloves tourment with ref’s and score cards of who boxed correct.

Out Tea Party guys are good at Country & Western bar fights and they know the first lick has to be a good one right in the thugs temple or his heart (stops the ticking).

it is like that

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 15, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Tough to blame the GOP for something every Republican member of Congress opposed and they’ve been campaigning against since it was conceived.

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:20 PM

They’ve spun more desperate stories in the past.

give me Jindal, Paul, Scott Walker or Paul Ryan before either of those wastes of (sometimes ample) space.

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Haha, easy to say now. I’m sure by 2016 they’ll get a bit too close to the third rail and we’ll need a less offensive candidate.

By the way, isn’t Rand Paul one of those wacko birds who is anti-Obamacare? Can’t let him be our candidate!

Good Solid B-Plus on October 15, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Every Republican in DC opposed Obamacare when it was passed. Do you have any facts to back up your assertion that what you’re classifying as establishment Republicans would fail to act on Obamacare if they had the power to do so (which, just to clarify, they don’t have right now)?

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Depends, how is Obamacare polling in 2016?

If it’s anywhere near 50/50, they’ll happily keep Obamacare in place. Can’t shake things up!

Good Solid B-Plus on October 15, 2013 at 11:25 PM

We need to have all elections like Louisiana used to: a single primary for all candidates and a run-off between the top two vote getters (unless one canidate wins over 50% in the primary in which case a run-off isn’t necessary).

thuja on October 15, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Splitting the party isn’t viable because the Democrats and Republicans have rigged the system against third parties. Whoever fails to hold on to the Republican brand, and it would probably be the new conservative party, would promptly find themselves shut out of the system. Then the new conservative party can join with the Libertarians and the Greens and the other third parties in spinning their wheels, wasting valuable resources, just trying to get on ballots and included in debates.

Rip Ford on October 15, 2013 at 11:28 PM

I’m just trying to save you from disappointment, alchemist19.

But if you want to buy the narrative, I won’t stop you. Just don’t want to be there with you when you get crushed in 2016. It’s really existentially draining.

Good Solid B-Plus on October 15, 2013 at 11:31 PM

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:11 PM

This is what conservatives have been doing for years but if we just give in and wait it out, we will get another McCain in 2016. And I have a question for you; if Cruz and Lee had not talked about defunding Obamacare, do you really think anybody would even be paying attention to the atrocity that it is? I’ll answer that for you…no they wouldn’t. Why do you think so many democrat operatives keep repeating that very argument? Do you think they really want people to see how bad Obamacare is? Whenever you have democrats and their lapdog media worrying about waning republican support, you should be smart enough to know that they are losing the debate.

fight like a girl on October 15, 2013 at 11:34 PM

I’m just trying to save you from disappointment, alchemist19.
But if you want to buy the narrative, I won’t stop you. Just don’t want to be there with you when you get crushed in 2016. It’s really existentially draining.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 15, 2013 at 11:31 PM

I know that I’m drained. It’s almost like the movie Groundhog Day.

fight like a girl on October 15, 2013 at 11:41 PM

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:11 PM

This is what conservatives have been doing for years but if we just give in and wait it out, we will get another McCain in 2016. And I have a question for you; if Cruz and Lee had not talked about defunding Obamacare, do you really think anybody would even be paying attention to the atrocity that it is? I’ll answer that for you…no they wouldn’t. Why do you think so many democrat operatives keep repeating that very argument? Do you think they really want people to see how bad Obamacare is? Whenever you have democrats and their lapdog media worrying about waning republican support, you should be smart enough to know that they are losing the debate.

fight like a girl on October 15, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Alchemist19 loves the Flavor-Aid. 2012 was payback from the Establishment Republicans against the Tea Party, and this is just more of the same. Remember how the K Street pigs acted from 2002-06? That’s EXACTLY why they hate even the MENTION of financial accountability and sanity, just like the Democrats.

ebrown2 on October 15, 2013 at 11:48 PM

I like the idea of three parties. We already have a Left wing party and a Centrist party. Now we need a Conservative party. It’ll be a lot harder for the MSM to demonize two out of three parties.

ardenenoch on October 15, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Haha, easy to say now. I’m sure by 2016 they’ll get a bit too close to the third rail and we’ll need a less offensive candidate.

By the way, isn’t Rand Paul one of those wacko birds who is anti-Obamacare? Can’t let him be our candidate!

Good Solid B-Plus on October 15, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Yeah, Paul is. I think he’s making the same cynical gamble for primary votes that Cruz is. I think it’s uncouth but I understand it and don’t fault them for it, especially if it helps them rally enough support to derail Jeb Bush.

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:50 PM

I don’t think third party is far enough. I have asked before and I will ask again. How can anyone commenting on this board think it is possible to inhabit a nation with leftists? How do we compromise with them on any issue? Do we allow a certain number of abortions a year and once our quota has been met cut them off? How do we compromise on central planning?

How does the slave compromise with the slave owner?

That is what the left wants. Class society. People who are assigned and classified at birth if they are even fortunate enough to make it into this brave new world. I can not see myself trying to continue a nation with people like Beckel and DWS.

JAGonzo on October 15, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Yeah, Paul is. I think he’s making the same cynical gamble for primary votes that Cruz is. I think it’s uncouth but I understand it and don’t fault them for it, especially if it helps them rally enough support to derail Jeb Bush.

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:50 PM

So in other words, you think he’s lying. How does that make him a good candidate? We’ve got plenty of smooth-talking liars we could nominate.

Good Solid B-Plus on October 15, 2013 at 11:53 PM

This is what conservatives have been doing for years but if we just give in and wait it out, we will get another McCain in 2016.

McCain in 08 happened for a lot of reasons, most notably that the Republican brand was in the toilet because of Bush’s missteps and there was no heir-apparent after we got smoked in 2006. It’s even deeper than that but that’s a start.

And I have a question for you; if Cruz and Lee had not talked about defunding Obamacare, do you really think anybody would even be paying attention to the atrocity that it is?

If the shutdown wasn’t sucking up all the air in the room right now it would be the only thing people are talking about.

I’ll answer that for you…no they wouldn’t. Why do you think so many democrat operatives keep repeating that very argument?

Elaborate.

Do you think they really want people to see how bad Obamacare is? Whenever you have democrats and their lapdog media worrying about waning republican support, you should be smart enough to know that they are losing the debate.

fight like a girl on October 15, 2013 at 11:34 PM

They’re not so much worried about waning Republican support as they are gleefully dancing on the graves we’re digging for ourselves.

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:54 PM

On social issues, RINOs would likely back gay marriage and amnesty; tea partiers would oppose both.

Wow, when did the Tea Party start caring about sex issues? I thought when we marched it was for freedom from the legislators’ hypocritical grip, back to the constitution….meaning less law, less government, less cost???

jollybird on October 15, 2013 at 11:56 PM

So in other words, you think he’s lying. How does that make him a good candidate? We’ve got plenty of smooth-talking liars we could nominate.

Good Solid B-Plus on October 15, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Maybe I didn’t say it clearly and if so I apologize. I believe Paul is earnest in his support to defund Obamacare, but I also believe he does not expect the current effort to accomplish that objective, nor did he ever expect that. The same is true for Cruz; he’s too smart to think his strategy eve had a chance. What they are doing is engaging in 100% political theater for base as an effort to endear themselves and win votes for 2016. They’re like Vince McMahon and we, the Republican base, are the WWE audience.

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:58 PM

They’re like Vince McMahon and we, the Republican base, are the WWE audience.

alchemist19 on October 15, 2013 at 11:58 PM

And they’ll do about as well in 2016 as Linda McMahon did in her Senate runs, but hey, at least Cruz can hit Joe Biden with a steel chair and we’ll all hoot and holler!

Good Solid B-Plus on October 16, 2013 at 12:00 AM

And they’ll do about as well in 2016 as Linda McMahon did in her Senate runs, but hey, at least Cruz can hit Joe Biden with a steel chair and we’ll all hoot and holler!

Good Solid B-Plus on October 16, 2013 at 12:00 AM

If Cruz was going to hit Biden with a steel chair they could put that on pay-per-view and raise enough money to balance one of Odumbo’s budgets. Heck, I’d pay for that!

alchemist19 on October 16, 2013 at 12:04 AM

So here’s conservative Sean Hannity saying maybe it’s time for a right-wing third party, and here’s centrist David Frum saying, “Yeah, maybe.”

Sean Hannity has been the chief Republican cheerleader for years. If he’s thinking of throwing in the towel, that says something.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 16, 2013 at 12:06 AM

Here’s some more simple math.

Guess how many precinct committeeman slots exist in the Republican Party.

And guess how many are filled.

Please, don’t look below.

Guess.

Have you guessed?

Better still, you live in a precinct. Do you know how many Republican Party precinct committeeman slots are allotted to it? And how many are filled?

Mine has 12 allotted slots and all 12 slots are filled with a warm conservative body. So in the 2012 presidential election, using a common-sense GOTV strategy, dividing up the precinct into 12 sectors, and targeting the Republicans who vote 50% or less of the time (which can be figured out using the GOP Data Center software the RNC provided to every state Party), it took each of us 12 PCs only about 3 to 4 hours of effort to make phone calls to and drop off campaign literature to these “low information, low propensity” voters in both the primary and general elections. We got 86+% of our Republicans to the polls.

Now imagine if conservatives had unite and organized like that in every precinct in America. We would have won the election for Romney despite his bone headed idea to NOT have an actual precinct-level ground game.

I gave him this strategy and he chose not to use it, and I think I know why.

So, back to the questions.

How many Republican Party precinct committeeman slots exist right now across America? About 400,000. How many are filled? About 200,000. That’s right, dear conservative readers, we’ve been going into battle with a Party at half-strength where it really matters. And, dear conservative readers, do the math. If we could get 200,000 conservatives to INVADE the local monthly Republican Party county and legislative district committee meetings, and then jump through whatever hoops are required to become a voting member of the Party, we would completely CHANGE THE PARTY INTO A 75% MAJORITY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

Want to make that happen? Then make it happen. Where you live.

Go here for more info:

http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/2013/04/29/want-to-do-something-heres-an-11-minute-vid-that-tells-you-what-to-do-and-more/

Go to the PC Activism drop down menu there for more.

And here: http://precinctproject.us

We ought to try basic American civics, no? And organize and unite for real political action where we each live inside OUR Party at the precinct level as precinct committeemen.

The strategy works. It’s just basic common sense.

I hope this helps.

For Liberty,
Cold Warrior
http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

Cold Warrior on October 16, 2013 at 12:09 AM

the Liberal Party with 10 percent of the vote, the Democrats with 40 percent, the GOP with 30 percent, and the Tea Party with 20

I think these numbers are spot on. I’ll…have to think about this.

S. Weasel on October 15, 2013 at 8:18 PM

The base of the Republican party is more like 35-40%. So it would be a lot more like the GOP with 10-15% and the Tea Party with 35-40%.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 16, 2013 at 12:15 AM

Let me ask the zealots (including Sean Hannity, who’s sounding more and more like he’s terrified of Glenn Beck’s ratings and is thus emulating him) one question: can True Conservatives win on their own, if every Republican to the left of Ted Cruz were jettisoned?

KingGold on October 15, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Turn the question around. If the “zealots” leave, will the GOP that’s left (in more ways than one..) ever win an election outside of New England?

I’m not saying the split would be a good thing, though the constant attempts by the GOP establishment to whip their base into compliance may make it inevitable. What I am saying is this: if this split happens, the result might be bad for the “Tea Party,” but they would be disastrous for the GOP.

And within 20 years, the GOP would go the way of the Whigs.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 16, 2013 at 12:19 AM

As much as I’d love a separate Conservative party, I’d love even more to try to unseat RINOs from their lifetime appointment. Make them leave.

Multiple parties leads to coalitions, even more back room deals and wasted time. On the other hand, if leaving the party brings it’s eventual demise, that works too. I just don’t know if it can happen.

Dongemaharu on October 16, 2013 at 12:22 AM

Sean Hannity has been the chief Republican cheerleader for years. If he’s thinking of throwing in the towel, that says something.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 16, 2013 at 12:06 AM

This is very true. Something is happening, BEEN happening.

jollybird on October 16, 2013 at 12:23 AM

And, for the record, we are not playing the long game. Both 2010 and 2012 were conducted for instant satisfaction. Because of that, we lost five Senate seats by nominating bad candidates when we had good ones –

KingGold on October 15, 2013 at 8:56 PM

And “we” won the House, you dolt. That wasn’t some “moderate wave”.

ddrintn on October 15, 2013 at 9:21 PM

It’s even worse than that. The GOP had control of the House. How did the Democrats get control? They ran candidates in loyal GOP districts who ran to the right of the Republican incumbents.

So we lost the House in 2006 in the first place because the GOP representatives weren’t conservative enough. It wasn’t until those “ugly” Tea Party candidates ran in 2010 — and were promoted tirelessly by Sarah Palin — that the House went back under GOP control.

If a new conservative party gets launched, we’ll lose control of the House for the next 10-20 years. After 20 years, we’ll probably get back control, because the GOP will have gone the way of the Whigs.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 16, 2013 at 12:44 AM

That and he’s absolutely convinced that Big Foot is real.

BigWyo on October 15, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Wait! What? Are you trying to say that Big Foot’s not real?

Solaratov on October 15, 2013 at 10:35 PM

He’s just a little shy.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 16, 2013 at 12:59 AM

If a new conservative party gets launched, we’ll lose control of the House for the next 10-20 years. After 20 years, we’ll probably get back control, because the GOP will have gone the way of the Whigs.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 16, 2013 at 12:44 AM

Assuming that the type of election being held in this country after 20 years of complete leftist control is at all more fair than those in Russia or Venezuela…

Not that we’re going to have fair elections with a lapdog GOP that yields to a propagandist media. Just don’t underestimate how ugly the ugly road can be.

Gingotts on October 16, 2013 at 1:14 AM

It’s even worse than that. The GOP had control of the House. How did the Democrats get control? They ran candidates in loyal GOP districts who ran to the right of the Republican incumbents.

So we lost the House in 2006 in the first place because the GOP representatives weren’t conservative enough. It wasn’t until those “ugly” Tea Party candidates ran in 2010 — and were promoted tirelessly by Sarah Palin — that the House went back under GOP control.

If a new conservative party gets launched, we’ll lose control of the House for the next 10-20 years. After 20 years, we’ll probably get back control, because the GOP will have gone the way of the Whigs.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 16, 2013 at 12:44 AM

You know I’ve heard this a lot in the past. Can you give me the list of specific districts where the Democrats ran a candidate against a Republican incumbent where the Democrat was the objectively more conservative candidate and that Democrat defeated the Republican incumbent?

And if that was part of the Democrat strategy that gave them a huge majority in the House and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate does that mean the GOP should be running liberal Republicans in liberal districts? Candidates who are more liberal than the Democrats who currently represent those areas?

alchemist19 on October 16, 2013 at 1:38 AM

There’s little to be gained in wondering if voters will find Republicans too “extreme”. The economic chaos created by democrats is becoming evident. Every workplace is discovering the stupidity of democrats in control.

We don’t need a new party, but the old-guard has to go. They had so many chances and blew it. Getting rid of Boehner, McConnell, McCain, Graham and the RNC leadership would change the dynamic away from continuing damage to the country by liberal nonsense.

The GOP leadership are enablers in this American tragedy.

virgo on October 16, 2013 at 3:13 AM

You all are missing the BIGGER picture on how we go about this change and that is to start implementing and passing TERM LIMITS. This ONE STEP will virtually eliminate our issues we are discussing.

TERM LIMITS, TERM LIMITS, TERM LIMITS!!!!!

g2825m on October 16, 2013 at 3:32 AM

The so-called centrist GOPers are actually hard leftists who lie to their voters about their political beliefs. For instance, what would a centrist position be on debt? Keep it the same, right? (i.e., do NOT increase the federal debt limit and also don’t decrease it!) What is the position of the so-called centrist GOPers? It is the same position as that of the hard left.

Ceteris Paribus on October 16, 2013 at 4:44 AM

I’m sick of these guys”

This ought to be the motto of the third party…
It would resonate with all who hate Washington–which is more than enough to win back this nation from the power control deal-making deceiving arrogant politicians than have inbreed in DC.

Don L on October 16, 2013 at 5:00 AM

A third party is a good idea but only if you like the thoughts of president Hillary and a Democratic congress.

Nomas on October 16, 2013 at 6:49 AM

The new movement-SHIN!-Staying Home In November!Death to the GOP!

redware on October 16, 2013 at 6:53 AM

David Frum is NOT A ” CENTRIST,” AP!

Ferchrissake!!

We don’t need a “third party.” We already have one in the growing grassroots movement called The Tea Party.

mountainaires on October 16, 2013 at 7:21 AM

A third party is a good idea but only if you like the thoughts of president Hillary and a Democratic congress.

Nomas on October 16, 2013 at 6:49 AM

Kristie Kreme and/or Jeb as the GOPe 2016 nominee will automatically result in eight years of President Hillary. What difference does it make?

Myron Falwell on October 16, 2013 at 7:46 AM

It’s worth repeating over and over again. Add Todd Akin in Missouri and Richard Mourdock in Indiana, Sharron Angle in Nevada and Ken Buck in Colorado, Christine O’Donnell in Delaware and Joe Miller in Alaska — and you have half a dozen Senate races lost to the GOP by extremist nominations.

Because no GOP chosen candidate has ever lost.

And, last I checked, Joe Miller’s nomination resulted in the GOP candidate being reelected.

These people are as dishonest at liberals. Of course, they are liberals.

Why do we cite Frum? Not only is he not conservative, he isn’t really even a republican.

Monkeytoe on October 16, 2013 at 7:58 AM

A third party is a good idea but only if you like the thoughts of president Hillary and a Democratic congress.

Nomas on October 16, 2013 at 6:49 AM

Because the Republican President Bush with a Republican congress for 6 years accomplished so much in teh way of reducing gov’t size and expense.

Last I checked, the GOP is the tax man for liberalism. Please show me where I am wrong. What “success” has the GOP had? Sure, now and again it reduces taxes, but it always increases spending, meaning that in future years taxes will always have to go up.

The GOP has never actually reduced the size of gov’t. It hardly ever has even slowed down the growth of gov’t. Until Obama, the largest expansion of the federal gov’t in 50 years was done by Bush and the GOP congress.

So, please scare me again with threats of a president Hillary and a democrat congress. That is like telling me that if I don’t like the water from the kitchen tap, I’ll have to drink the water from the bathroom tap.

Monkeytoe on October 16, 2013 at 8:01 AM

David Frum is NOT A ” CENTRIST,” AP!

Ferchrissake!!

We don’t need a “third party.” We already have one in the growing grassroots movement called The Tea Party.

mountainaires on October 16, 2013 at 7:21 AM

Probably the only time I’m in complete agreement with you on something..

For years I tired like many others to make peace with the liberal wing of the GOP, standing with them when we had to for the greater good, a loyalty they treated with contempt by insulting and attacking us on every single occasion where they thought the media would pat their purty little head for it..

We finally have to come to the realization the RHINO’s are snakes, and will ALWAYS support the democrats when the issues are hard to deal with.

They demand we follow them even when they grovel for the left, terrified the media will tag them as “extreme”.. and when we need their support, they are actively working against us, even more shrill in attacking us than some democrats..

If this is a marriage, it’s to a cheating tomcat who get liquored up on media gin before beating us bloody on the front porch for all the neighbors to see.

with the media reporter happily writing up a “the b1tch deserved it” story..

The game has been rigged for decades, time to kick over the card table and see who’s left standing when the smoke clears…

I like our chances better than most.

mark81150 on October 16, 2013 at 8:01 AM

A third party is a good idea but only if you like the thoughts of president Hillary and a Democratic congress.

Nomas on October 16, 2013 at 6:49 AM

because president Romney worked out so well for us…

You can’t deal with the McCain’s and Grahamn’s, they expect the base to be absolutely loyal for them, while they ignore us completely, then when our people speak out… take a stand..

They stand shoulder to shoulder with the extreme left trashing us as crazy, extremist on every democrat media complex outlet they can wave down..

There is no “party” when it’s establishment betrays the base at every opportunity, then tells us we’re nuts for having principles..

The GOP has devolved into the towel holding eunuch at the Roman orgy,.. and viciously attacks anyone who tries to pull them out of that life.

mark81150 on October 16, 2013 at 8:12 AM

Not decided. I think the fight for getting rid of the worst of the RINOs is not over. With the socialists in charge of the demorats it would be a disaster for America. If you think it’s bad now – think about the reality.

TerryW on October 16, 2013 at 8:14 AM

seriously, you believe in centrist democrats after Obamacare?

Are you serious? The entire Democratic caucus would fit comfortably into the the Conservative parties of both the UK and Canada.

And btw, it’s “Democrats” – with a capital “D” – as in kicking your electoral a*s.

inklake on October 16, 2013 at 8:35 AM

The economic chaos created by democrats is becoming evident

Yeah, remind me where the S&P 500 is today. I sincerely hope you’re some kind of Republican “strategist”.

inklake on October 16, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Primary them all. Kick the bums out.

If that doesn’t work, it’s (third) party time.

ElectricPhase on October 16, 2013 at 8:38 AM

You’re a welfare teat-sucker who depends on the Federal government to survive

You do realize you’re talking about almost all the “red” states, right?

But I agree.. let the post office charge what it really costs to fly a letter first-class-mail to Alaska.

Let’s charge ranchers in Wyoming market rates for water and grazing rights.

inklake on October 16, 2013 at 8:41 AM

You do realize you’re talking about almost all the “red” states, right?

But I agree.. let the post office charge what it really costs to fly a letter first-class-mail to Alaska.

Let’s charge ranchers in Wyoming market rates for water and grazing rights.

inklake on October 16, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Better yet, lets sell the federal land. I’ll agree to that.

I’ll agree to privatize the post office.

I’ll agree to get rid of all farm subsidies.

I’ll agree to get rid of every subsidy of everything (including welfare, medicaid, Obamacare, etc.).

Let’s deregulate.

What is your point again? That the federal gov’t is far too large and involved in far too many endeavors and we should reduce its size and scope? That was your point about the ranchers and the post office, right?

Monkeytoe on October 16, 2013 at 8:46 AM

You do realize you’re talking about almost all the “red” states, right?

But I agree.. let the post office charge what it really costs to fly a letter first-class-mail to Alaska.

Let’s charge ranchers in Wyoming market rates for water and grazing rights.

nklake on October 16, 2013 at 8:41 AM

And yet you blue staters keep moving in to the red states.

melle1228 on October 16, 2013 at 8:58 AM

I don’t think a 3rd party and all that cost should be pursued, I think the current plan of internal take over of the GOP should remain the goal. The old rinos are crying because the tea party has been the driver making huge strides in conservative take over. Push the rinos into the woods or the Dems arms if they think that is better, most of them are career politicks that worry more about getting their piece of the action than doing what is right anyway. If your goal is doing what is right that kind of people in your ranks is poison.

We need leaders that believe and can explain the position.

Boehner the reluctant takes no time explaining our points while O uses every opportunity to attack the repubs in every interview. Boehner “we met but no deal as yet we are working” FIGht SAY how about we have tried to fund everything and all we are asking in return is O give the common american who will be worst hit by Ocare the same delay/exemption/presidential pardon he has given BIG BUSINESS and Union cronies who have contributed excuse me paid tribute to his parties campaign.

It is pitiful the comparison of Cruz (the hated) & Lee in interview hitting back and taking names in their media appearances vs Boehner and McConnell (the loved) mealy mouthed weak inept attempts to state any kind of position even in prepared statements.

I like how the old guard and their supporters complain about how conservative action doesn’t work and is doomed to fail this candidate or that fail are doomed. Especially considering the huge part they play in undermining our position while feeding the opposition against us.

The reason treason is punishable by death in wartime is that often a few treasonous actors can do more damage from within than a vanguard of the enemy facing our front line.

C-Low on October 16, 2013 at 9:52 AM

If you believe that RINOs are no different from Democrats then there’s no reason to fear losing to Democrats repeatedly over the short- and medium-term due to a split right-wing vote.

That’s where I am.

One nitpick…

On social issues, RINOs would likely back gay marriage and amnesty; tea partiers would oppose both.

The Tea Party wing is primarily about fiscal responsibility. We (as a group) don’t really care all that much about gay marriage, one way or the other. Now, yes, there are plenty of SoCons in the Tea Party. But there are plenty of SoCon RINOs too. I’d put our favorite sweater vest wearing former Senator from PA in that group.

In fact, one point overlooked by most people in the big Gallup poll of third-party fee-vah last week is that Democratic voters increasingly like the idea too:

Yeah, that’s the problem with the Gallup poll. Lots of people want a third party. It’s even possible that the people wanting a third party are the majority. However, we don’t all want the same third party. Some of us want one that’s more liberal than the Democrats. Some of us want one that’s more conservative than the GOP. And some actually are centrists and want something in the middle.

Chris of Rights on October 16, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Perhaps it’s time for people like Hannity and others who stoke the false flames of rhetoric as a substitute for achievable policy and goals to sit down and shut up.

Marcus Traianus on October 16, 2013 at 10:31 AM

We have decades of Progressive/Democrat dominance already. Just because they don’t hold the White House very often doesn’t mean they aren’t in control of everything else. How much worse could it get?

This isn’t a schism between mere “centrists” in the Republican Party and conservatives. It’s a battle between conservatives and Progressives. The so-called moderates are every bit as dangerous as Democrat Progressives.

There is no such thing as a conservative Democrat anymore. The Progressives were effective in purging their party of non-statists. It just didn’t get much press. Republicans need to do the same thing. Cleanse the party of it leftist sympathizers and establishment RINOs. A Reaganite / Tea Party Republican party would offer the American voter a clear and convincing alternative to the leftist dominating Democrats. The current makeup of the Republican party does not.

RobertE on October 16, 2013 at 10:32 AM

ENOUGH WITH THE G*****N AUTOPLAY VIDEOS!!!!
Ace doesn’t do it, so what the heck gives you the right?!

Dunedainn on October 16, 2013 at 10:47 AM

If that’s truly your opinion, get the hell off this forum and leave the political discussions to people who actually participate in the process. We’ll be glad to be rid of you.

KingGold on October 15, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Shut up, the Republicans for Obama chairman said.

Dunedainn on October 16, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Shut up, the Republicans for Obama chairman said explained.

Dunedainn on October 16, 2013 at 10:51 AM

FIFMS

Dunedainn on October 16, 2013 at 10:51 AM

The Houston Chronicle rescinded it’s endorsement for Cruz. Thinks he’s an embarrassment to Texas.

rubberneck on October 16, 2013 at 11:40 AM

For those who fear coalitions, worry not, in Europe it’s through outside support in a coalition that rightwing parties sane on immigration were able to deal their way thru to get their biggest item a policy. Look at the Danish People’s Party for example, or the Party for Freedom in the Netherlands. Coalitions will be much better than this false big-tent nonsense. Especially as the #1 priority is to prevent amnesty.

flawedskull on October 16, 2013 at 11:46 AM

We don’t need a “third party.” We already have one in the growing grassroots movement called The Tea Party.

mountainaires on October 16, 2013 at 7:21 AM

But, but… aren’t the Tea Party just a small group of “extremists” like the lamestream media and establishment GOP tell us they are???!

The GOP doesn’t want to lose their power to the American people, and the media will ALWAYS demonize whatever goes against their “progressive”, socialist agenda, so who cares what they say.

Not all Tea Partiers go to rallies. The Tea Party IS the American people.

Sterling Holobyte on October 16, 2013 at 1:18 PM

rubberneck on October 16, 2013 at 11:40 AM

You an embarrassment to sentient creatures.

So there you are.

Murphy9 on October 16, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Hannity: Maybe it’s time for a new conservative party

Hey, good idea. Make a new group, institute stringent membership requirements, start out small but pure. Make the top names well-known.

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

Marcola on October 16, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Hannity: Maybe it’s time for a new conservative party

Not content with seeing his audience without their noses, Hannity encourages them to gouge out their eyes.

rukiddingme on October 16, 2013 at 2:28 PM

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