Disgrace: Memorial to heroes who saved Washington from 9/11 attack closed by National Park Service

posted at 12:41 pm on October 15, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Yet another open-air memorial has been closed by the National Park Service since the shutdown began, and this one is especially ironic — and infuriating.  The heroes of Flight 93 gave their lives to stop al-Qaeda terrorists who had seized their airplane from using it in an attack on Washington DC — either the Capitol Building or the White House itself.  The open-air, no-barriers-to-access memorial in Shanksville that marks the spot of their sacrifice got hijacked as a political tool by the NPS and the Obama administration:

Angry visitors have taken out their frustration on the closure sign at the Flight 93 Memorial.

“It’s a memorial for people who were lost in the tragedy. It has nothing to do with the government,” said Jessica Shaffer, who made the trip from Ohio.

“I don’t think it’s right. I don’t think we should be suffering for what our government has done,” said Barry Haslup.

Haslup tried to walk around the closed gate and orange cones, but rangers kindly asked him to turn around.

CNS News went out to the site this weekend, and confirmed that the rangers still have the memorial closed — even though it normally has no barriers to access at any time:

Americans who want to honor and reflect upon the memory of the crew and passengers who perished aboard United Flight 93 on Sept. 11, 2001 will find that the federal government has blocked the road four miles down from the open-air memorial near Shanksville, Pa.

CNSNews.com photographed the spot of the road closure this past weekend. The steel barrier blocking vehicles from passing says: “Because of the federal government shutdown, this National Park Service facility is closed.”

The land around the memorial is supposed to be controlled by the state game and wildlife commission, not the National Park Service, The road, however, is US Route 219, which does fall under the purview of the federal government, at least to some extent. However, the Obama administration isn’t closing all US routes and interstate freeways during this shutdown, and those roads are patrolled not by NPS but by state and local law enforcement. This is clearly a punitive measure imposed by NPS as part of the Obama administration’s Washington Monument strategy, and it’s easily the most offensive yet in light of the sacrifice of those honored at the memorial. Talk about ingratitude.


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Well, according to this story, it seems that national memorials were closed during the Clinton era shutdown.

In the case of the Pearl Harbor memorial specifically, it seems the park remained closed but vets gave first-hand accounts to visitors outside the memorial.

And some may have been opened thanks to private donations and volunteers, just like what’s happening today:

Because of the federal government shutdown, national parks are closed and the National Park Service website is not being maintained.

As a result of donations from states to the National Park Service, the following national parks are temporarily re-opened.

Arches National Park (Utah, open October 11-20)
Bryce Canyon National Park (Utah, open October 11-20)
Canyonlands National Park (Utah, open October 11-20)
Capitol Reef National Park (Utah, open October 11-20)
Cedar Breaks National Monument (Utah, open October 11-20)
Glen Canyon National Recreation Area (Utah, open October 11-20)
Natural Bridges National Monument (Utah, open October 11-20)
Zion National Park (Utah, open October 11-20)
Rocky Mountain National Park (Colorado, open October 11-20)
Statue of Liberty National Monument (New York, open October 12-17)
Mount Rushmore National Memorial (South Dakota, open October 14-23)
Grand Canyon National Park (Arizona, open October 12-18)

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 2:56 PM

dentarthurdent on October 15, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Shipley’s been around for years. He’s just not able to slip onto the computer at the Nurses’ Station as much as he used to.

kingsjester on October 15, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Also, Ed, why are you posting this now? Why is this suddenly a story?

As you note, this memorial has been closed since the shutdown began.

This is the height of cynical, partisan blogging. Using the closing of the 9/11 memorial to score unjustified political points against the president.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 2:32 PM

It’s hard to keep up with all the Barrycades.

Despite your rather muddy claim that the park is “supposed to be controlled by the state game and wildlife commission, not the National Park Service,” the park is controlled by the National Park Service.

And so that means during a shutdown Barrycades and more manpower is needed?

Remember, and this is important, Republicans are the ones who forced the shutdown. The result of that shutdown is that this memorial would close. This was known long before the shutdown began.

Because passing several CRs in the House is obviously akin to refusing to fund the government…

If it’s a disgrace that this memorial was shutdown, look at your own party. They forced the shutdown because they don’t like a law that was passed by both houses of congress, signed by the president and upheld by the supreme court. They feel that, despite all this and the public overwhelmingly disagreeing with the strategy, that it’s OK to shutdown the government and push the country to fiscal catastrophe because they didn’t like a law that was, again, passed by both houses of congress, signed by the president and upheld by a right-leaning supreme court.

Which means what? That the House is barred from practicing its constitutional authority on appropriations?

Now you have the gall to pin the park closing on Obama without any evidence? That’s the disgrace. Truly reprehensible.

What is it you’re so upset about here? The fact that anyone would have the temerity to challenge the King, or the fact that the Barrycades were such a horrible play optically?

NotCoach on October 15, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Here ya go, Shipley:

This week the Obama Administration began erecting steel barricades to keep veterans, families and visitors out of popular open-air monuments such as the Lincoln Memorial and World War II Memorial. Despite the fact that these are open-air sites that are open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year and are only staffed by Park Rangers during certain hours of the day, the Obama Administration nevertheless chose to completely shut them off to the public while blaming the government shutdown.
However, the open-air Memorials along with National Mall WERE NOT closed during the last government shutdown in 1995-1996. According to the Associated Press in an article from December 17, 1995:

“Tourists were free to wander the halls of the Capitol, touch the walls of the Vietnam Memorial and climb the steps of the Lincoln Memorial to read the Gettysburg Address – those and other similar sites don’t require supervision by federal employees.”

kingsjester on October 15, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Apples and oranges. No one expects government run ferries to be in operation during a shutdown. But no one expects Barrycades to be erected at open air, unmanned memorials as well.

NotCoach on October 15, 2013 at 3:00 PM

According to Lawrence Summers, who served as secretary of the treasury under Bill Clinton and director of the National Economic Council under Barack Obama, “Obama really doesn’t have the joy of the game. Clinton basically loved negotiating with a bunch of other pols, about anything. If you told him, God, we’ve got a problem. We’ve got to allocate all the office space in the Senate. If you could come spend some time talking to the majority leader in figuring out how to allocate office space in the Senate, Clinton would think that was pretty interesting and kind of fun. Whereas, Obama, he really didn’t like these guys.”

Vernon Jordan, a longtime Democratic Party wise man, agrees. “Consultation is not in the DNA of the Obama administration,” Jordan told me.

“Some time ago, while Obama was on vacation in Martha’s Vineyard, he invited me to join a foursome and play a round of golf at the Vineyard Golf Club in Edgartown. I was paired with the president’s assistant, Marvin Nicholson, and the president played with Mayor [Michael] Bloomberg, who at the time was being considered as a possible replacement for [Timothy] Geithner as secretary of the treasury. When the round of golf was over, the president immediately left. And Bloomberg turned to me and said, ‘I played four hours of golf with the president and he didn’t ask me a goddam thing.’”

“The Obama administration resembles the [Jimmy] Carter administration in being closed like that,” Vernon Jordan went on. “No matter how obstructive the Republicans may be, Obama has the responsibility of leadership. I’m worried that he’s overplaying his hand in saying that it’s all the Republicans’ fault. That may be true, but what are you, Mr. President, going to do to bring them around?”

At some level, Obama is aware of his own shortcomings.

For instance, shortly before he was scheduled to address the Business Roundtable, Jack Lew, then the director of the Office of Management and Budget, was asked if there was any subject the business leaders should not raise with the president. “Yes,” said Lew. “Don’t ask about leadership. He’s sensitive about the criticism that he hasn’t provided strong leadership.”

“The presidency is no place for amateurs,” Richard Neustadt pointed out in his landmark study, Presidential Power and the Modern Presidents. “[The office of the president needs] experienced politicians of extraordinary temperament. … That sort of expertise can hardly be acquired without deep experience in political office. The presidency is a place for men of politics. But by no means is it a place for every politician.”

It is no place for Barack Obama.

Resist We Much on October 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM

NotCoach on October 15, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Look, you guys wanted the government shutdown over Obamacare. Well, the war memorials are run and maintained by the National Park Service which is not operating because of the government shutdown, just as they didn’t operate during the Clinton era shutdown.

You guys shutdown the government and are now complaining about the government being shut down.

You CAN shoot yourself in the foot and complain about how much it hurts, just don’t expect to get much sympathy.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM

We are paying two park rangers to man the Barrycades to keep people out and close an open air park that normally isn’t staffed anyway? Here’s your sign…

Wyznowski on October 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Remember when Shipley cared about deficits?

Murphy9 on October 15, 2013 at 3:06 PM

FLASHBACK: DC Memorials Open During Last Shutdown under Clinton.
So why is Obama Admin going out of its way to close them now?

WASHINGTON, D.C., October 4, 2013 – This week the Obama Administration began erecting steel barricades to keep veterans, families and visitors out of popular open-air monuments such as the Lincoln Memorial and World War II Memorial. Despite the fact that these are open-air sites that are open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year and are only staffed by Park Rangers during certain hours of the day, the Obama Administration nevertheless chose to completely shut them off to the public while blaming the government shutdown.

However, the open-air Memorials along with National Mall WERE NOT closed during the last government shutdown in 1995-1996. According to the Associated Press in an article from December 17, 1995:

“Tourists were free to wander the halls of the Capitol, touch the walls of the Vietnam Memorial and climb the steps of the Lincoln Memorial to read the Gettysburg Address – those and other similar sites don’t require supervision by federal employees.”

This picture below from 1995 shows how the visitors’ information center at the Lincoln Memorial was closed during the shutdown, but the public was still able to visit the site. This makes perfect sense. What the Obama Administration is doing now does not.

http://naturalresources.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=352374

Resist We Much on October 15, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Look, you guys wanted the government shutdown over Obamacare. Well, the war memorials are run and maintained by the National Park Service which is not operating because of the government shutdown, just as they didn’t operate during the Clinton era shutdown.

You guys shutdown the government and are now complaining about the government being shut down.

You CAN shoot yourself in the foot and complain about how much it hurts, just don’t expect to get much sympathy.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM

That’s right, but Clinton didn’t erect Barrycades at open air memorials, and threaten to arrest vets. Barrycade Obama did. And he had to go out of his way to try and make it inconvenient for people. They don’t put up Barrycades at the parks near me at night, and Barrycades were not ever necessary at open air, unmanned memorials.

Face it, you know this was a boneheaded play by Barrycade Obama, and now you’re just venting angrily at us in response instead of criticizing your own side.

NotCoach on October 15, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Good, it’s a damn muslim crescent anyway.

slickwillie2001 on October 15, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Doubt the governor of PA has glands but if the sheriff of the county does, he ought to send a crew to roust the NPS and tear down the barrycade for obstructing traffic in his domain. Ought to be an easy reelection from the dust up.

AH_C on October 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Puuuhhlleeeeasseeee……….

So the invitation to act like and ass is a reason to be one?

itsspideyman on October 15, 2013 at 3:17 PM

NotCoach on October 15, 2013 at 3:10 PM

I’m venting because you guys have fought against EVERYTHING Obama has done. You call him a Muslim, you yell “you lie” at him during state of the union, you oppose everything he does just because he does it. And then, when you guys shutdown the government because was actually able to accomplish something.

You guys just shutdown the government just because you hate Obama. You’d rather we burn than Obama accomplish anything.

Fine, but when you then blame him for the consequences of that shutdown–regardless of what Clinton did–that’s a bridge too far. National parks are run by the government. You guys shut down the government. You’re not allowed to complain about the national memorials being shutdown because you shutdown the government.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:18 PM

So once again blame us because Barky is acting like an ass?

itsspideyman on October 15, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Now you’re just rambling like an idiot instead of addressing anything specific, or trying to make a point beyond the fact that you find it unconscionable that anyone might disagree with the King.

NotCoach on October 15, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Err…um…Tom…do you not known the name of the individual who is the CEO of the Federal Government?

You know…it’s the guy that holds the position that Harry Truman said, is where the buck stops.

kingsjester on October 15, 2013 at 3:22 PM

“Look, you guys wanted the government shutdown over Obamacare. Well, the war memorials are run and maintained by the National Park Service which is not operating because of the government shutdown, just as they didn’t operate during the Clinton era shutdown.

You guys shutdown the government and are now complaining about the government being shut down.

You CAN shoot yourself in the foot and complain about how much it hurts, just don’t expect to get much sympathy.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM”

Hey Tom,

If the National Park Service is not operating because of the “government shutdown” (which is only 17% shutdown), why are there NPS Park Rangers out there closing parks and memorials? You can’t have it both ways. If the NPS is not operating, there shouldn’t be Park Rangers out closing parks. So, obviously, the NPS is operating since Park Rangers are out erecting Barrycades and keeping visitors away from open air memorials and parks.

The actions of the NPS, under orders from OMB and the WH, prove that this administration is petty and deliberately making life as difficult as possible for Americans.

The House has passed a number of bills to fund parts of the government, just as they have in the past. The Senate refuses to even vote on them. So who’s keeping the government shut down? The Dems.

GAlpha10 on October 15, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Now you’re just rambling like an idiot instead of addressing anything specific, or trying to make a point beyond the fact that you find it unconscionable that anyone might disagree with the King.

I’ve been very specific. I’ve shown that the Clinton administration did close war memorials (that were in fact open air) during that shutdown. Exactly like what’s happening now. You guys shutdown the government. Then complain about the consequences of the government being shut down.

You disrespect the president by calling him a muslim–someone who represents “them, not us.” You shutdown the government because he was able to accomplish something despite your open opposition to anything he does. You recklessly push us toward financial catastrophe because you didn’t get what you want.

And now you complain about the direct result of your own actions. Disgusting.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:27 PM

I’ve been very specific.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Deliberate obtuseness is not a charming quality. Your points were addressed. My last reply was to your MSNBC style rant about how anyone is obviously an ebil racist that disagrees with Obama.

I’m venting because you guys have fought against EVERYTHING Obama has done. You call him a Muslim, you yell “you lie” at him during state of the union, you oppose everything he does just because he does it. And then, when you guys shutdown the government because was actually able to accomplish something.

You guys just shutdown the government just because you hate Obama. You’d rather we burn than Obama accomplish anything.

Fine, but when you then blame him for the consequences of that shutdown–regardless of what Clinton did–that’s a bridge too far. National parks are run by the government. You guys shut down the government. You’re not allowed to complain about the national memorials being shutdown because you shutdown the government.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:18 PM

NotCoach on October 15, 2013 at 3:31 PM

I’m venting because you guys have fought against EVERYTHING Obama has done. You call him a Muslim, you yell “you lie” at him during state of the union, you oppose everything he does just because he does it. And then, when you guys shutdown the government because was actually able to accomplish something.

You guys just shutdown the government just because you hate Obama. You’d rather we burn than Obama accomplish anything.

Fine, but when you then blame him for the consequences of that shutdown–regardless of what Clinton did–that’s a bridge too far. National parks are run by the government. You guys shut down the government. You’re not allowed to complain about the national memorials being shutdown because you shutdown the government.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:18 PM

First, it is true that I have opposed what Obama has done, but that doesn’t mean that I did so because I hated him. I didn’t start hating him until he first called me an ‘enemy.’

Second, I would have opposed it regardless of who was in the White House. If you think that I supported Bush’s crap, you have another thing coming.

Third, I was against the shutdown because I want the holy hell that is #Error404Care to rain down on you. I want it to hurt you. You forced this shit on me. So, yes, I want it to hurt you in return.

Fourth, I’ve never called Obama a Muslim.

Fifth, what Obama is doing with the WWII and Vietnam memorials, for example, is an example of his petulance and spite. Clinton was a big boy. Obama is so clearly not.

Sixth, you said Clinton did do these sorts of things. I’ve proven you wrong.

Seventh, the burn is coming. It’s just a question of when, not if. We shouldn’t be trying to make it as painful as possible and the partial shutdown is nothing in comparison.

$17.25 trillion in national debt and growing.

$222 trillion in unfunded future liabilities and growing.

A fertility rate below replacement level.

The Federal Reserve explicitly aiming to devalue the USD by 33% over the next two decades to shave off 20% of LAST YEAR’S debt level.

Resist We Much on October 15, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Is this clown Canadian too?

Murphy9 on October 15, 2013 at 3:34 PM

“I’m venting because you guys have fought against EVERYTHING Obama has done.”

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Tom,

Not true. We didn’t oppose the raid that got Bin Laden.

We have fought against the un-Constitutional and illegal activities this administration has committed.

While Obamacare was passed with ZERO votes by the GOP, it’s passage resulted in the GOP taking control of the House in 2010. Since then, the House has voted to repeal it a number of times. Why? Because we foresaw the disaster it has become. Because the federal government has no right to mandate the purchase of insurance under the Constitution (10th Amendment).

We fight against BHO because he has demonstrated his hatred of American values. We fight against BHO because he was the least qualified individual who has ever been elected president, and did so only because of the color of his skin. He had no experience or other qualifications. We don’t even have definate proof of his graduation from college or law school.

We fight against him because he is wrong for America.

GAlpha10 on October 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM

In the case of the Pearl Harbor memorial specifically, it seems the park remained closed but vets gave first-hand accounts to visitors outside the memorial.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 2:56 PM

The Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor has government operated boats to carry visitors out to the memorial. Perfectly valid for those boats to not be running if government is shut down.

Well, the war memorials are run and maintained by the National Park Service which is not operating because of the government shutdown, just as they didn’t operate during the Clinton era shutdown.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Now you’re just twisting a string of BS.
NPS does not normally have people at most of these locations, and Clinton didn’t put up barricades and guards at open air parks and memorials that are normally unmanned – 0barky IS doing that.
Is NPS shut down or not?
If it is, there should not be any rangers available to assign as guards to keep people away from open air facilities that are normally unmanned.

dentarthurdent on October 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM

You shutdown the government because he was able to accomplish something despite your open opposition to anything he does. You recklessly push us toward financial catastrophe because you didn’t get what you want.
Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:27 PM

The Republican controlled House passed 26 spending bills that the Democrap Senate refused to even vote on.
Who said “I will not negotiate.”? Was that any Republican, or was that 0barky?
Are you really this stupid?

dentarthurdent on October 15, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Us folks out west will send along some bison if you want;
http://twitchy.com/2013/10/12/viral-video-barrycade-no-match-for-wyoming-bison/

bartbeast on October 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM

So is Tom Shipley on second shift, or what? Haven’t seen Tom around here for a long time. Shutdown = “Calling all trolls!”

change is for suckers on October 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Now you have the gall to pin the park closing on Obama without any evidence? That’s the disgrace. Truly reprehensible.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 2:32 PM

You must be a new troll from OFA.

dentarthurdent on October 15, 2013 at 2:52 PM

No, shiples is an old troll that came over with Ed and some of us from Captain’s Quarters. Doesn’t post here much except when he checks in from his summer villa in Tirana.

Del Dolemonte on October 15, 2013 at 3:45 PM

So is Tom Shipley on second shift, or what? Haven’t seen Tom around here for a long time. Shutdown = “Calling all trolls!”

change is for suckers on October 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Ya – I don’t remember seeing the name before, so I thought he was a new OFA staffer.
But then I’m getting to that age when I have trouble remembering names anyway….

dentarthurdent on October 15, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Geez, the shutdown must be impacting OFA pretty hard. They’re having to activate D grade trolls like Shipley. Own it scooter, your prezzy is the one acting all skeezy.

HumpBot Salvation on October 15, 2013 at 3:48 PM

I’m venting because you guys have fought against EVERYTHING Obama has done.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Because O’bama’s half-white, right?

Right?

F-

Name one thing that O’bama has “accomplished” that has improved the America that he “inherited” in 2009. Just one.

(Starts fleabrain-powered sundial)

Del Dolemonte on October 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Look, you guys wanted the government shutdown over Obamacare. Well, the war memorials are run and maintained by the National Park Service which is not operating because of the government shutdown, just as they didn’t operate during the Clinton era shutdown.

You guys shutdown the government and are now complaining about the government being shut down.

You CAN shoot yourself in the foot and complain about how much it hurts, just don’t expect to get much sympathy.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM

So a government shutdown dictates all sorts of government activity?

The government is expending more resources during a shutdown at these memorials than they do during a supposed shut down.

An actual shut down would mean that there would be no staff on hand at open air memorials that are normally open 24/7. The government is going out of it’s way to push peoples buttons. The government is erecting barricades to stop people from accessing open space. This isn’t the natural consequence of a government not being funded so people aren’t at work. This is a case of a federal agency being used to punish people.

gwelf on October 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM

You shutdown the government because he was able to accomplish something

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Name one thing that O’bama has “accomplished” that has improved the America that he “inherited” in 2009. Just one.

(Starts fleabrain-powered sundial)

Del Dolemonte on October 15, 2013 at 3:51 PM

’m venting because you guys have fought against EVERYTHING Obama has done. You call him a Muslim, you yell “you lie” at him during state of the union, you oppose everything he does just because he does it. And then, when you guys shutdown the government because was actually able to accomplish something.

You guys just shutdown the government just because you hate Obama. You’d rather we burn than Obama accomplish anything.

Fine, but when you then blame him for the consequences of that shutdown–regardless of what Clinton did–that’s a bridge too far. National parks are run by the government. You guys shut down the government. You’re not allowed to complain about the national memorials being shutdown because you shutdown the government.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Conservatives and libertarians don’t oppose Obama just because he’s Obama – they oppose him because Obama pushes policies they have always opposed. This is obviously true, but it’s difficult for liberals to defend Obama’s policies and the failures of those policies so they revert to crying “racism” or whatever else you think it is that people don’t like about Obama’s policies (and Pelosi’s and Reid’s).

gwelf on October 15, 2013 at 3:53 PM

“I’m venting because you guys have fought against EVERYTHING Obama has done.”

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Tom,

Not true. We didn’t oppose the raid that got Bin Laden.

GAlpha10 on October 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM

While getting bin Laden was an achievement, O’bama got basically nil as far as credit for it was concerned; his “job approval” only ticked up 5 points, as a result of al-Associated Press oversampling Dems by 2 to 1 in their “polling”.

But did getting bin Laden “improve” America? AQ is deadlier than ever.

Del Dolemonte on October 15, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Conservatives and libertarians don’t oppose Obama just because he’s Obama – they oppose him because Obama pushes policies they have always opposed.

Right.

May his days in office be short. Heart attack or cancer or something.
0bama must go.
cane_loader on January 21, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Since Obama keeps trying to compare himself to Lincoln, I would just like to celebrate America today by hoping that his second term turns out exactly the same as Lincoln. How’s that?
Night Owl on January 21, 2013 at 11:27 AM

You’re right. I’m just rooting for lung cancer.
The Count on January 21, 2013 at 11:35 AM

I hope to one day urinate on his grave.
The Count on January 21, 2013 at 12:19 PM

lostmotherland on October 15, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Scum.

1921 C DRUM on October 15, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Right.

May his days in office be short. Heart attack or cancer or something.
0bama must go.
cane_loader on January 21, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Since Obama keeps trying to compare himself to Lincoln, I would just like to celebrate America today by hoping that his second term turns out exactly the same as Lincoln. How’s that?
Night Owl on January 21, 2013 at 11:27 AM

You’re right. I’m just rooting for lung cancer.
The Count on January 21, 2013 at 11:35 AM

I hope to one day urinate on his grave.
The Count on January 21, 2013 at 12:19 PM

lostmotherland on October 15, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Wow. Anonymous comments on a blog.

Is this the route you want to go in characterizing large swaths of people? This standard doesn’t help your side at all.

Of course Shipley and you don’t just mean the odd commenter or two – you smear Allahpundit, Ed Morrissey and other in the public square making arguments against liberal policies.

But like I said, you don’t really have an argument so you deflect. And if this is the best you can do then your argument really is weak.

gwelf on October 15, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Right.

And to prove it, I am going to scurry under my bridge to my cut and paste archive of Banned Hot Air posters. Ain’t I intelligent?

lostmotherland on October 15, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Fixed.

Del Dolemonte on October 15, 2013 at 4:07 PM

lostmotherland on October 15, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Do we really need to go dig up all the garbage you libtards threw at Bush for comparison?

dentarthurdent on October 15, 2013 at 4:08 PM

You guys wanted a government shutdown, this is what it looks like. Quite bitching about a situation that you guys solely created. Unreal.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 2:02 PM

So, a government “shutdown” entails spending more money to barrycade open-air monuments that were never closed before and post guards to keep people out when there were never guards there before?

How ’bout you just run along and pound sand up your butt.

Solaratov on October 15, 2013 at 4:08 PM

lostmotherland on October 15, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Wow. Anonymous comments on a blog.

gwelf on October 15, 2013 at 4:06 PM

lost mother cut and pastes that same quote regularly here. Despite the fact that the named posters have all been banned.

That’s all they have left. Fun to watch, isn’t it?

Del Dolemonte on October 15, 2013 at 4:09 PM

There is no government showdown. Now is the time to start holding all these elected officials accountable for SPENDING. There is not one reason to raise the debt limit. There is no good reason to fund Obamacare. It is a disaster.

Murphy9 on October 15, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Do we really need to go dig up all the garbage you libtards threw at Bush for comparison?

dentarthurdent on October 15, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Hey man, that’s when dissent and presidential assassination fantasies were the highest form of patriotism.

gwelf on October 15, 2013 at 4:10 PM

lost mother cut and pastes that same quote regularly here. Despite the fact that the named posters have all been banned.

That’s all they have left. Fun to watch, isn’t it?

Del Dolemonte on October 15, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Their banning just shows how deep the conspiracy is.

gwelf on October 15, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Remember when Shipley cared about deficits?

Murphy9 on October 15, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Pre-January 2009, I’ll bet.

Solaratov on October 15, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Right, and the Dems still control the White House and Senate. Elections have consequences. And when there is split power, that means to get stuff done, you have to negotiate.

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2011 at 12:41 PM

Murphy9 on October 15, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Allow me to repeat myself:

Republicans are the ones who have created this crisis. We could just raise the debt ceiling. Takes two seconds. Dems would, reluctantly at this point, do that.

But Republicans are the ones demanding that spending cuts be tied to it. Dems said OK and have proposed cuts (some being negotiated with Republicans through the Biden talks).

Dems demanded that some revenue increases be tied to raising the debt ceiling (with, along with spending cuts, are the two best ways to actually reduce the debt). Obama’s proposal that he was working with Boehner on was HEAVILY skewed toward spending cuts. Republicans said no, despite a large majority of Americans agreeing with Dems that new revenue should be part of any compromise.

Now, Reid has a bill that’s ALL cuts, no revenue, only requires one vote instead of two (who wants to go through this again in 6 months) and, according to CBO, reduces the deficit more than BOTH of Boehner’s bills.

But, that’s not good enough for Republicans either (apparently… we’ll see in a couple days).

The problem is the teajadists, who are a block within the Republican-controlled house that has to deal with a democratic-controlled Senate and White House. They somehow don’t think they need to compromise; they live in a dream world where they can just have whatever they want. So they demand even more… a lubricious balanced budget amendment.

W-T-F? Seriously. If it weren’t putting our economy in needless peril, it would be laughable.

These guys are petulant morons…. or, as Bruce Bartlett put it:

i think a good chunk of the Republican caucus is either stupid, crazy, ignorant or craven cowards, who are desperately afraid of the tea party people, and rightly so.

Tom_Shipley on July 28, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Apparently profligate deficit spending into eternity is a kind of thing for thei reprobate.

Murphy9 on October 15, 2013 at 4:25 PM

“… I’ve yet to hear a strong argument for NOT banning them. And that didn’t change when, yesterday, one of their defenders argued “it’s about how they look.’”

- Tom_Shipley on January 31, 2013 at 9:45 AM


Gun Control By The Numbers

In case you missed it. It was done in your honour.

Resist We Much on October 15, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Noted deficit hawk tom_ripley

Also, according to the CBO, this bill will REDUCE THE DEFICIT by $312 billion over 10 years.
Tom_Shipley on December 24, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Murphy9 on October 15, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Right.

And to prove it, I am going to scurry under my bridge to my cut and paste archive of Banned Hot Air posters. Ain’t I intelligent?

lostmotherland on October 15, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Fixed.

Del Dolemonte on October 15, 2013 at 4:07 PM

And posts that in no way contradict what you said at all, either. Apparently wishing someone dead means people disagree with that person for other reasons besides ideological ones. Those posts just show bad form (or intentions), not anything else.

NotCoach on October 15, 2013 at 4:30 PM

“A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.” ~ Thomas Jefferson.

Reason to privatize all parks and memorials. If the government can’t play nice, take away its power.

When this began and I first heard about the churlishness of this President I had to see for myself. Driving along the George Washington parkway from Mt. Vernon to Alexandria, and seeing barricades blocking off pull outs and parking lots along the river where there were absolutely zero Park facilities…

I miss my country

Roy Rogers on October 15, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Right, and the Dems still control the White House and Senate. Elections have consequences. And when there is split power, that means to get stuff done, you have to negotiate.

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2011 at 12:41 PM

So, Tom…you gonna email that right off to pResident Stompy-Foot?

You know, just to sorta remind him that his “no negotiations” policy sucks.

Solaratov on October 15, 2013 at 4:36 PM

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The problem is the teajadists, who are a block within the Republican-controlled house that has to deal with a democratic-controlled Senate and White House. They (obama)somehow don’t think they need to compromise; they live in a dream world where they can just have whatever they want. So they demand even more… a lubricious balanced budget amendment.

Tom_Shipley on July 28, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Kinda like lil barry, huh, tom?

Solaratov on October 15, 2013 at 4:40 PM

This TROOL Tom_Shipley is it? I vaguely remember him from CQ days (wow, how time flies).
He had S4B (Shiite for brains) then that apparently has fermented.

Oh, and there is NO government ‘Shut Down’ … it is more like a ‘Slim Down’ right?

Barrykade Hussein Obowmao the COMPLETE AND UTTER FRAUD.
The one person on this planet who is truly appreciative of his presidency? James Earl Carter.

Missilengr on October 15, 2013 at 4:59 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361314/lets-roll-some-orange-cones-across-entrance-mark-steyn

On September 11th 2001, America’s big bloated money-no-object bureaucracy and its obsolete brain-dead 1970s hijacking procedures utterly failed the citizens of this country. Nevertheless, on Flight 93 brave freeborn citizens acted as an ad hoc militia and did the job their government had proved incapable of doing.

So naturally, twelve years later, the punitive bozo bureaucrats of the National Park Service have “closed down” the field in which they died.

In Arizona a few days ago, I spoke to a chap who said the NPS rangers at the World War Two memorial had treated the trespassing veterans “with respect”. But it’s more a question of self-respect, isn’t it? What kind of fellow – even a federal bureaucrat – is such a dead husk of a human being that he complies with the order to close the mass grave of better men than he will ever be?

RADIOONE on October 15, 2013 at 5:40 PM

bartbeast on October 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM

What a great video! Thanks for sharing.

PatriotGal2257 on October 15, 2013 at 7:28 PM

You guys wanted a government shutdown, this is what it looks like. Quite bitching about a situation that you guys solely created. Unreal.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Wow. The Republicans are in charge of the executive branch and we didn’t even have to elect one of them president!

Reid and Obama are free to agree with the GOP’s proposals any time now.

And a “shutdown” generally means sending workers home, not adding more of them to the work-roster to do jobs that were not being done before.

AesopFan on October 15, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Remember, and this is important, Republicans are the ones who forced the shutdown. The result of that shutdown is that this memorial would close. This was known long before the shutdown began.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 2:32 PM

The date on his link is Sept 30, which is not all that long for the public to know about it.
But obviously the administration had this game plan already in place (h/t to all the posters pointing out that the signs and cones were ready to go the minute the government “shut down”).

Which means it is deliberate spite, not “look what we are forced to do to because we can’t fund the government” (or the meager part that actually did shut down).

Obama and Reid were (and are) free to prevent (or end) the shutdown anytime by actually negotiating with the GOP instead of trying to force them to accept the Dem’s proposals or nothing.

To be absolutely clear: even if the Republicans “forced” the shutdown (which they can’t do by themselves; it’s a two-party game); even if Obama has little control over which parts actually do shut down, because of previous laws and regulations; even if the money isn’t there to fund the NPS sites at their normal levels — Obama chose to throw gas on the fire (hoping he could blame the Republicans for the arson) by paying for work that didn’t need to be done, for signs that didn’t need to be printed, and for barricades that didn’t need to be placed.

Or maybe he just promised to pay for them later?
That’s been the Obama MO in campaigns and the President sure loves his own freebies.
And here’s how much they really love the middle-class and self-employed.

AesopFan on October 15, 2013 at 11:01 PM

I’m venting because you guys have fought against EVERYTHING Obama has done. You call him a Muslim, you yell “you lie” at him during state of the union, you oppose everything he does just because he does it. And then, when you guys shutdown the government because (he) was actually able to accomplish something.

You guys just shutdown the government just because you hate Obama. You’d rather we burn than Obama accomplish anything.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:18 PM

I was getting all fired up with a rebuttal and then I read this (and h/t RWM as well):

Not true. We didn’t oppose the raid that got Bin Laden.

We have fought against the un-Constitutional and illegal activities this administration has committed.

While Obamacare was passed with ZERO votes by the GOP, it’s passage resulted in the GOP taking control of the House in 2010. Since then, the House has voted to repeal it a number of times. Why? Because we foresaw the disaster it has become. Because the federal government has no right to mandate the purchase of insurance under the Constitution (10th Amendment).

We fight against BHO because he has demonstrated his hatred of American values. We fight against BHO because he was the least qualified individual who has ever been elected president, ….

We fight against him because he is wrong for America.

GAlpha10 on October 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM

I will just add that Rep. Wilson was absolutely correct: Obama did lie.

“Nearly two years ago I made national news when I voiced your outrage at the misrepresentations being perpetuated by the Obama administration. The media and Obama’s liberal allies attacked me for only pointing out the truth that ObamaCare would cover illegal immigrants. Yesterday, my point was vindicated when the Department of Health and Human Services announced its newest ObamaCare grant.

“Because the health care centers receiving $8.5 million in ObamaCare money ‘to target services to migrant and seasonal farm workers’ will not check the immigration status of the migrant workers who seek their services it is inevitable that they will serve illegal aliens.

“The president specifically promised the American people that ObamaCare would not cover those who are here illegally. He misled all of us.”


Fine, but when you then blame him for the consequences of that shutdown–regardless of what Clinton did–that’s a bridge too far. National parks are run by the government. You guys shut down the government. You’re not allowed to complain about the national memorials being shutdown because you shutdown the government.

Tom_Shipley on October 15, 2013 at 3:18 PM

I think you left the irony on too long.

AesopFan on October 15, 2013 at 11:14 PM

@Tom_Shipley

Are you really this stupid?

dentarthurdent on October 15, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Tom has served a valuable function today by demonstrating clearly how the Left views the current impasse. Thus, we are enabled to hone our arguments, refine our references, and generally improve the debate.

Thanks, Tom.

AesopFan on October 15, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Right.

And to prove it, I am going to scurry under my bridge to my cut and paste archive of Banned Hot Air posters. Ain’t I intelligent?

lostmotherland on October 15, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Fixed.

Del Dolemonte on October 15, 2013 at 4:07 PM

I didn’t realize all three (3) of those guys were gone now.

Do we really need to go dig up all the garbage you libtards threw at Bush for comparison?

dentarthurdent on October 15, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Hey man, that’s when dissent and presidential assassination fantasies were the highest form of patriotism.

gwelf on October 15, 2013 at 4:10 PM

And posts that in no way contradict what you said at all, either. Apparently wishing someone dead means people disagree with that person for other reasons besides ideological ones. Those posts just show bad form (or intentions), not anything else.

NotCoach on October 15, 2013 at 4:30 PM

My favorite all-purpose political cut-and-paste-quote from the good Doctor Franklin in 1776:

“Garbage is always legal in the first person — our garbage; it is only in the third person — their garbage — that it requires reproach.” –Tom & friends.

I love it when a punchline comes together.

AesopFan on October 15, 2013 at 11:31 PM

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