Breaking: Boehner to caucus: We’ll move our own bill today

posted at 9:43 am on October 15, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Does John Boehner have a card left to play? Faced with an angry group of Tea Party members in his caucus over the deal floating in the Senate, Boehner told House Republicans that he will move a new bill to the floor today for a vote.  What will he pose for an alternative that might jolt Senate Republicans to force more talks?

Allahpundit had an idea for Boehner even before Robert Costa reported on the new move by Boehner:

That got a lot of criticism on Twitter, even though — as AP pointed outHeritage suggested a similar strategy last week, although they denied having done so.  Andrew Stiles’ sources stuck to their story and others corroborated the earlier sources, and also noted that Heritage’s CEO told the Wall Street Journal the same thing:

Mr. Needham thinks, by the way, that the stalemate may drag on well beyond Oct. 17, the day the U.S. Treasury may reach the federal borrowing limit. He has little problem with the latest strategy to pass a temporary debt-ceiling extension, viewing the debt-default debate as a distraction from the battle over the future of ObamaCare funding . . .

On the latest offer from House Republicans—a short-term extension of the debt ceiling—Mr. Needham calls it a shrewd move by Speaker John Boehner: “We’ve got to get back to the discussion of ObamaCare, not the typical Washington food fight.”

Not to worry, though.  It’s not a clean bill, but it’s not far off from the Senate deal, and it has roughly the same CR/DL parameters as the rumored Senate deal.  Costa elaborated on the proposed bill:

This looks like an attempt to force a conference committee rather than an attempt to block negotiations.  Boehner tried to get Harry Reid on board for a conference committee earlier, but Reid was still refusing all negotiations.  Boehner may calculate that he can give this one last try on the House’s terms, and a conference committee will give him enough cover to push through the Senate deal while perhaps winning an extra sweetener or two.  The House really wants the Vitter amendment, at least to force the Democrats to defeat it, in one last push.

At this point, though, the House and Senate have closed the gap considerably. We’ll see if the House effort accelerates or slows the final resolution of the standoff.

Update: The Vitter language has been narrowed, by the way:

Since the problem has mainly been with staffer compensation — most members of Congress don’t need to worry about their subsidies — this seems like a significant concession.


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Reddy or not, here it comes!

KingGold on October 15, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Somehow I don’t feel all-red text was on purpose.

vegconservative on October 15, 2013 at 9:46 AM

I was hoping I’d fixed the tags before anyone noticed, dang it.

Ed Morrissey on October 15, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Whose blood is on all of this red print?

docflash on October 15, 2013 at 9:48 AM

I thought it was Christmas or somethin’…..
:)

ted c on October 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM

If Boehner passed a clean, longer-term debt-ceiling hike (6 mos) in lieu of Senate deal, O & Reid would have to accept it, no?

Er, no, AP. That’s not how the game known as Riding the Gravy Train is played.

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Whose blood is on all of this red print?

docflash on October 15, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Baby seals and union goons who will have to pay more for their health insurance if the Senate doesn’t get its way.

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Who’s on first? There are so many deal and crisis going on with Obummer you need a scorecard to keep up.

Herb on October 15, 2013 at 9:51 AM

The Vitter amendment is a must–shove Obarkycare down right from the gullet it was spewed from…

hillsoftx on October 15, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Go for broke and impress all the LIV’s out there, the GOP should provide a debt ceiling at $30 trillion and let the demorats choke on it.

What difference does it make; $20 trillion, $30 trillion, $75 trillion, we’ve gone beyond any comprehensible amount and are now diving off Devil’s Tower wearing nothing but a smile and hoping in the next 10 seconds that someone will place a net at our exact landing spot.

Bishop on October 15, 2013 at 9:53 AM

BOHICA!

BigGator5 on October 15, 2013 at 9:54 AM

From my post in Headlines.

Chris Moody ✔@Chris_Moody

House GOP members sang “Amazing Grace” together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.

I love it. Dem’s must be blowing a gasket.

WisRich on October 15, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Extra tape going on pitchfork handle as we speak….

HomeoftheBrave on October 15, 2013 at 9:55 AM

If Boehner can get that, good. It’s a stalemate bill. Much better than the Senate.

It’s a mixed bag of what we were originally debating and what it mutated into.

It also gives focus to the mid-terms that keeps Barry and The Dems on defense.

budfox on October 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Boehner told House Republicans that he will move a new bill to the floor today for a vote. What will he pose for an alternative that might jolt Senate Republicans to force more talks?

Pushing a House bill instead of hanging around waiting for the “bipartisan” bill written by Reid and McConnell with the lazy stupid coward’s veto threat in mind is good strategy.

Make Obama sign up for his namesake healthcare plan along with every single Congresscritter.

I still think delay of the individual mandate should be in the mix though and apparently that is out but so too, it would seem, is the Dems desire to elminitate the sequestration “cuts.”

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM

House GOP members sang “Amazing Grace” together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.

I would have preferred Onward Christian Soldiers. Especially the “marching as to war” bit. Because we need warriors in the House right now.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Wow, AP doubling-down on spineless, squishy, cave-y goodness.

Why stop there, AP? The Republicans could *really* make some things happen if they included some tax increases, union exemptions, rolled back the sequester, and offered to personally harvest Michelle’s garden.

O & Reid would have to accept it, no?

Midas on October 15, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Vitter plus no waiver for unions. Put this crap sandwich back on Obama and Reid’s plate and let them choke on it.

I predict they’ll delay the personal mandate soon after, to ‘work out the bugs.’

Then we will have time for another round of elections and some real reform, like malpractice/tort reform.

LASue on October 15, 2013 at 9:59 AM

When Reid complaines to Boehner that he’s made concessions to McConnell, I hope Boehner replies:

“Those don’t count, Harry. I get those for free”.

WisRich on October 15, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Then we will have time for another round of elections and some real reform, like malpractice/tort reform.

LASue on October 15, 2013 at 9:59 AM

LOL, I admire the hope, but I have to chuckle a bit when people still think that elections are going to fix this.

We’ve been saying the same thing for… quite awhile now.

Midas on October 15, 2013 at 10:03 AM

They should at least kill the individual mandate with their bill.

Stoic Patriot on October 15, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Losing track, it’s getting too complicated. That means tax payers must be getting screwed.

Oil Can on October 15, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Dang it! Somewhere I read an article that the House Republicans had changed a rule on Sept. 30 that allowed only the Speaker or his designee to bring a Bill to the floor for a final vote because they want to go to conference. I hate when I can find stuff again. This seems to be the best I can do, although the original one had Van Hollen and Chaffetz having a spate on the floor.

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Confirmed – staffers get their exemption from PlaceboCare in exchange for political executive employees getting roped into it.

Otherwise, it is pretty much Susan Collins’ plan from the weekend to get back into K Street’s good graces (which, if memory serves, was already officially rejected by Dingy Harry).

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Opps, I meant spat.

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 10:06 AM

When Reid complaines to Boehner that he’s made concessions to McConnell, I hope Boehner replies:

“Those don’t count, Harry. I get those for free”.

WisRich on October 15, 2013 at 10:01 AM

I love the comments but, from what I can tell, Reid didn’t give anything of substance up in the plan that the MSM has been billing as the greatest piece of statesmanship since the Magna Carta.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Otherwise, it is pretty much Susan Collins’ plan from the weekend to get back into K Street’s good graces (which, if memory serves, was already officially rejected by Dingy Harry).

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 10:06 AM

I thought Susan Collins’ plan couldn’t even get 60 votes in the Senate. What has changed, the protecting the subsidies for staffers? Well, I don’t want to pay 75% of some staffer’s healthcare with my tax dollars.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Midas:
I agree, but up till now, it’s only been folks like us who thought enough about the obvious problems inherent in Obamacare. Now (or soon) those problems will be front and center for all- including the young and healthy who used to love O, but who has left these kids with bleak job prospects, unreal federal debt and higher and mandatory health insurance costs.
If the reality of paying seriously increased premiums and deductibles doesn’t make it sink in, nothing will.

LASue on October 15, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Dang it! Somewhere I read an article that the House Republicans had changed a rule on Sept. 30 that allowed only the Speaker or his designee to bring a Bill to the floor for a final vote because they want to go to conference. I hate when I can find stuff again. This seems to be the best I can do, although the original one had Van Hollen and Chaffetz having a spate on the floor.

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 10:05 AM

It was The Blaze, if this is the article you’re thinking of.

Stoic Patriot on October 15, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Apologies, AP; reeling in the antagonism now.

Midas on October 15, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Losing track, it’s getting too complicated. That means tax payers must be getting screwed.

Oil Can on October 15, 2013 at 10:05 AM

But it’s time this long national nightmare is over. Michelle Obama is having to make do without a pastry chef. Her garden is untended and unharvested because the organic gardener has been furloughed. She’s even had to cancel a Los Angeles fundraiser.

Priorities, my friend. You worry about taxpayers getting screwed when we have our queen in the deep austerity of only 30 staff members.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Including POTUS in PlaceboCare is a poison pill – the security required for him precludes him from using Dr. Joe Average.

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Vitter plus no waiver for unions. Put this crap sandwich back on Obama and Reid’s plate and let them choke on it.

LASue on October 15, 2013 at 9:59 AM

We know the Dems and the media will scream poison-pill on the Vitter amendment. The question is whether the Republicans will do the same with the union exemption.

neuquenguy on October 15, 2013 at 10:20 AM

I like how they’re saying things like income verification are a win for republicans, income verification is already the law. Let’s be honest, r’s are dong what they always do, having a panic attack over negative media coverage and looking for any way out.

clearbluesky on October 15, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Including POTUS in PlaceboCare is a poison pill – the security required for him precludes him from using Dr. Joe Average.

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 10:18 AM

But don’t you know that under screwyoucare you can keep your doctor if you like?

neuquenguy on October 15, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Including POTUS in PlaceboCare is a poison pill – the security required for him precludes him from using Dr. Joe Average.

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 10:18 AM

It’s a throw away.

They know there going to have to give something to Reid and this is it.

WisRich on October 15, 2013 at 10:23 AM

there s/b they’re

WisRich on October 15, 2013 at 10:24 AM

It’s a throw away.

They know there going to have to give something to Reid and this is it.

WisRich on October 15, 2013 at 10:23 AM

You think all of the Vitter ammendement is a throw away?

neuquenguy on October 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM

…….so they can cave to the “conference”.

The gop is just despicable

PappyD61 on October 15, 2013 at 10:26 AM

I would have preferred Onward Christian Soldiers. Especially the “marching as to war” bit. Because we need warriors in the House right now.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 9:58 AM

The Jewish members might not know the words to Onward Christian Soldiers. ;)

AZCoyote on October 15, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Otherwise, it is pretty much Susan Collins’ plan from the weekend to get back into K Street’s good graces (which, if memory serves, was already officially rejected by Dingy Harry).

In retrospect what Susan Collins put in and Harry Reid rejected is huge. Don’t be distracted by the medical device tax for 2 years deal because that has widespread support. The income verification is a killer for Harry Reid because it destroys his 5 year effort to operate without budgets and the necessary increase in taxes to pay for all of this.

Harry Reid wants funding to go past the 2014 elections. He won’t get that. He bitches about a short term deal so Boehner made it so he can’t squawk any more. The dems goal is to end the sequestration first and foremost and this preserves it while allowing a return to the implosion of O-care.

By keeping the income verification aspect in there the dems are going to begging for air as the Feb 15th deadline approaches and fines are imminent, as they wrote into their law.

Keep it up Boehner. Quit negotiating. You’re winning.

DanMan on October 15, 2013 at 10:27 AM

I thought Susan Collins’ plan couldn’t even get 60 votes in the Senate. What has changed, the protecting the subsidies for staffers? Well, I don’t want to pay 75% of some staffer’s healthcare with my tax dollars.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 10:09 AM


…but … but … you don’t understand!

If those staffers aren’t subsidized, they’ll quit to become lobbyists!

/s

Let.It.Burn!

PolAgnostic on October 15, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Including POTUS in PlaceboCare is a poison pill – the security required for him precludes him from using Dr. Joe Average.

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 10:18 AM

You don’t want his brats to get free birth control? You want them to be punished with a pregnancy and a visit to the folks doing God’s work at Planned Parenthood?

Seriously, at a minimum the Dems will have to vote it down. I would find it hard to believe that the lazy stupid coward would veto a bill that makes it through the House and Senate over mandatory enrollment. That’s the kind of stuff that can be ignored with executive order. But it would be fun seeing the bastard try to get into the website to create an account.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 10:29 AM

You think all of the Vitter ammendement is a throw away?

neuquenguy on October 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM

I hope not. I wish they had started off with entire Vitter and negotitated it down to members.

WisRich on October 15, 2013 at 10:30 AM

House GOP members sang “Amazing Grace” together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.

I would have preferred Onward Christian Soldiers. Especially the “marching as to war” bit. Because we need warriors in the House right now.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 9:58 AM

The Jewish members might not know the words to Onward Christian Soldiers. ;)

AZCoyote on October 15, 2013 at 10:26 AM

I’m guessing they don’t sing Amazing Grace in Temple either.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Can someone explain why the Republicans are so mum about the waivers?
I think they are an even bigger issue than the members of congress being exempted. Also, I hope they are going to fight the union’s exemption issues.

neuquenguy on October 15, 2013 at 10:32 AM

I wish they had stuck with delay of I.M. but I think earlier comments are right.

This implemenatiation is such a train wreck, they’re going to have to delay the enforcement anyway.

WisRich on October 15, 2013 at 10:32 AM

I like how they’re saying things like income verification are a win for republicans, income verification is already the law. Let’s be honest, r’s are dong what they always do, having a panic attack over negative media coverage and looking for any way out.

clearbluesky on October 15, 2013 at 10:22 AM

It is the law and Obama has waived it. It is the reason the Ocare website can’t function too. The income verification is the biggest part of this deal along with the Vitter amendment. The dems have to show their hand with the income verification because it will show the level of funding (ie subsidies) they need to make Ocare work.

DanMan on October 15, 2013 at 10:32 AM

How are you, hot air isn’t covering the fact that the million veterans march has released a statement condemning Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz for hijacking the event on Sunday.

libfreeordie on October 15, 2013 at 10:34 AM

It’s a throw away.

They know there going to have to give something to Reid and this is it.

WisRich on October 15, 2013 at 10:23 AM

I see the strategy you think is at play but I’m not so sure it is DOA. Imagine six months from now (when the campaign season kicks off) for a Congresscritter meeting with the folks back home wondering why he’s exempt from the awful healthcare sytem they’ve been forced into.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 10:36 AM

hey libfree, you ever going to answer my question of why would I want to increase the debt limit? How about you just tell us why you want to and assume I’m going to disagree.

DanMan on October 15, 2013 at 10:36 AM

You don’t want his brats to get free birth control? You want them to be punished with a pregnancy and a visit to the folks doing God’s work at Planned Parenthood?

Seriously, at a minimum the Dems will have to vote it down. I would find it hard to believe that the lazy stupid coward would veto a bill that makes it through the House and Senate over mandatory enrollment. That’s the kind of stuff that can be ignored with executive order. But it would be fun seeing the bastard try to get into the website to create an account.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Considering no federal funds are supposed to be spent on abortions,….

The VA system ought to be good enough for the CinC.

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 10:37 AM

You think all of the Vitter ammendement is a throw away?

neuquenguy on October 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Yes it is. Have you seen the estimates of the gross costs on the DC/VA/MD exchanges (I would say actual costs, but nobody has seen those 2 weeks into the exchanges’ operation)?

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 10:39 AM

the ruling class in this country……

Evil.

NSA, ObamaCare, drones, gggggrrrrrr

PappyD61 on October 15, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Not to worry, though. It’s not a clean bill,

By your saying that this CR is NOT clean it must have an attachment to either DEFUND or delay Obamacare.

Definition of a clean CR according to Boehner is a CR with no attachments to DEFUND or delay Obamacare.

Clean = no attachments to DEFUND or delay Obamacare

So we’re just back to square one as any CR that DEFUNDs or delays Obamacare wont pass.

So why not just vote on the clean CR that Boehner has admitted he and Reid agreed to, and has more than enough Republican votes to EASILY pass Congress giving Republicans a MASSIVE VICTORY over the Dems in which the Dems have completely surrendered by giving the Republicans across the board spending cuts that force austerity by only funding federal programs at the REDUCED levels as was demanded by the Republicans for which the Senate has PASSED?

There are at least 28 Republicans that have gone public to say they will pass the clean cr because: “they’re done trying to force through provisions to delay or DEFUND Obamacare”. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/house-republicans-clean-cr_n_4024755.html

2 more polls have JUST now been released and they show that it’s EVEN WORSE for Republicans.

From 2011 to today independent voters have averaged between 45% to 46% of total voters. So the fact that several of the most recent polls show that on average only 1 out of 4 independent voters support the Republicans and their handling of the shutdown is devastating proof that the shutdown is seriously hurting the GOP.

When matched against each other, 52 percent of voters say the government is shut down because Republicans won’t vote to open the government unless Obamacare is also dismantled, while just 36 percent say it is shut down because Obama won’t negotiate on reasonable spending cuts or reforms to Obamacare. Independents side with Democrats on this question by an 18-point margin.

http://gqrr.com/images/Blog_posts/documents/2013/Shutdown%20Survey%20Memo%20101113.pdf

And according to the bellow poll 76% of independent voters disapprove of congressional Republicans handling of the negotiations.

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds nearly three quarters of Americans disapprove of the way Republicans in Congress are handling negotiations over the budget (74 percent), up from 63 percent since the start of the shutdown after hitting 70 percent last week.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/10/14/poll_basically_everyone_now_angry_at_gop_over_shutdown.html

JustTheFacts on October 15, 2013 at 10:41 AM

hot air isn’t covering the fact that the million veterans march has released a statement condemning Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz for hijacking the event on Sunday.

libfreeordie on October 15, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Condemning is a pretty strong word for what their statement actually says, but you’ve already proven yourself a racist and liar so why stop doing what you do best?

If you’ve calmed down enough from your EBT scare this weekend, how about telling me why no Democrat politicians were on the Mall this weekend in support of veterans and veteran’s issues. That speaks volumes more than faux outrage that Cruz and Palin did show up.

And BTW, they guy with the Confederate flag was a plant by you vermin.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM

I wish they had stuck with delay of I.M. but I think earlier comments are right.

This implemenatiation is such a train wreck, they’re going to have to delay the enforcement anyway.

WisRich on October 15, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Can I sell you a “slightly” used bridge that’s down about 2 feet?

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM

DanMan on October 15, 2013 at 10:32 AM

True, but, simply repassing something that was in the original isn’t much of a win, if any at all, at best it’s status quo.

clearbluesky on October 15, 2013 at 10:45 AM

How are you, hot air isn’t covering the fact that the million veterans march has released a statement condemning Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz for hijacking the event on Sunday.

libfreeordie on October 15, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Squirrel!

How about the disaster that is ObamaCare?
How about Obama giving illegal “waivers” to The Immutable Law Of ObamaCare to bureaucrats and big corporations?
How about Obama – Nobel Peace Prize winner and champion of civil rights – detaining people on naval vessels for “questioning”?

gwelf on October 15, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Stoic Patriot on October 15, 2013 at 10:11 AM

That’s the one. Thank you. I don’t go to The Blaze as often as I should, so I didn’t remember. Plus I’m old.

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 10:47 AM

How are you, hot air isn’t covering the fact that the million veterans march has released a statement condemning Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz for hijacking the event on Sunday.

libfreeordie on October 15, 2013 at 10:34 AM

I agree with Happy Nomad.

They mostly blamed the “local group” in DC that helped organize the event.

gwelf on October 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM

OT but shows you the mentality of the left:

The chief spokesperson for the “Oneida Nation” complaining about the name Washington Redskins…… not recognized as a member of the tribe. And a big contributor to the lazy stupid coward’s OFA.

BTW, why isn’t offensive to have cutlery named out after your tribe?

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 10:49 AM

JustTheFacts on October 15, 2013 at 10:41 AM

HuffingtonPost and amateur webzine Slate huh?

gwelf on October 15, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Confirmed – staffers get their exemption from PlaceboCare in exchange for political executive employees getting roped into it.

Otherwise, it is pretty much Susan Collins’ plan from the weekend to get back into K Street’s good graces (which, if memory serves, was already officially rejected by Dingy Harry).

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 10:06 AM

I also believe some on the left even referred to Collins as a right wing nut. When there’s a 17% shutdown of the government they become unhinged.

gwelf on October 15, 2013 at 10:52 AM

How are you, hot air isn’t covering the fact that the million veterans march has released a statement condemning Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz for hijacking the event on Sunday.

libfreeordie on October 15, 2013 at 10:34 AM

What about Obama ignoring income verification? It’s The Law!

gwelf on October 15, 2013 at 10:54 AM

According to Drew at Ace, Boehner is going without a whip count. He doesn’t seem to think it is a great idea but I love the fact that he calls it, going full O’Reilly.

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 10:58 AM

I also believe some on the left even referred to Collins as a right wing nut. When there’s a 17% shutdown of the government they become unhinged.

gwelf on October 15, 2013 at 10:52 AM

If somebody were to ask who are the right wing nuts, Collins name would not be at the top of any sane list. I’m guessing that the left is so rabidly partisan right now that just being a Republican is enough for the insults.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 10:59 AM

libfreeordie on October 15, 2013 at 10:34 AM

You didn’t think out of all those vets there would be a Democrat or two? So just like the media saying the Confederate flag guy was the majority of the participants, you are saying those vets claiming politicization spoke for the majority? You guys are amazing.

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Update via Fox News – the House GOP meeting is members only; the staffers got kicked out.

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 11:01 AM

According to Drew at Ace, Boehner is going without a whip count. He doesn’t seem to think it is a great idea but I love the fact that he calls it, going full O’Reilly.

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Speed is of the essence here. Get the legislation passed before the Senate presents their version in some great ceremony where the sacred “bipartisan” scrolls are removed from the Ark for all to see. It is a pre-emptive strike and there isn’t too much fear that he won’t get the votes he needs.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 11:03 AM

How are you, hot air isn’t covering the fact that the million veterans march has released a statement condemning Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz for hijacking the event on Sunday.

libfreeordie on October 15, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Why hasn’t the media been throwing Obama’s own words and signed statements as a Senator condemning raising the debt ceiling as a betrayal of future generations by robbing them blind?

gwelf on October 15, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 11:03 AM

I wonder if Mitch McConnell is doing himself any favors in the long run?

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Trollcot, please.

HA – haven’t you banned people for thread-jacking before? Just wondering.

Midas on October 15, 2013 at 11:08 AM

‘Centrist’ surrender monkeys.

Mr. Arrogant on October 15, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Don’t let the truth interfere with a good story: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/government-shutdown-racism-roger-simon-98272.html

davidk on October 15, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Boehner up now, promising bipartisanship.

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Time to stop worrying about Obamacare – it will fail on it’s own. No court will allow the IRS to fine/tax people for not paying the individual mandate when they can just say that the exchange didn’t work. The Insurance companies will go broke without that money.

kcewa on October 15, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Cantor spinning “negotiations” between Dingy and MiniCave as a win.

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 11:12 AM

So, the Republicans are rumored to be poised to vote on a deal that let’s their staff off the obamacare train?

GaltBlvnAtty on October 15, 2013 at 11:13 AM

First presstitute organ question – Why did you shut down the government for 2 weeks if you were going to just surrender to our savior anyway?

Steve Eggleston on October 15, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Time to stop worrying about Obamacare – it will fail on it’s own. No court will allow the IRS to fine/tax people for not paying the individual mandate when they can just say that the exchange didn’t work. The Insurance companies will go broke without that money.

kcewa on October 15, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Please – with respect to liberals, Obama, and this legislation in particular, you really shouldn’t every again use a phrase that includes something like “no court will allow”. A quite lengthy list of “no court will allow” scenarios have been shown to prove that yes, in fact, those things have been allowed.

Midas on October 15, 2013 at 11:14 AM

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 19h

10/14/1492: Colonizing invaders from the east bully and subjugate native Americans.
10/14/2013: They get a paid day off.

davidk on October 15, 2013 at 11:14 AM

gwelf on October 15, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Different site same conclusion.

According to the latest poll 76% of independent voters disapprove of congressional Republicans handling of the negotiations.

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds nearly three quarters of Americans disapprove of the way Republicans in Congress are handling negotiations over the budget (74 percent), up from 63 percent since the start of the shutdown after hitting 70 percent last week.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/10/14/poll-republicans-losing-no-win-game/

There are at least 28 Republicans that have gone public to say they will pass the clean cr because: “they’re done trying to force through provisions to delay or DEFUND Obamacare”.

I cant post all 28 links to the 28 press releases, interviews etc of the 28 Republicans that have gone public but ALL 28 LINKS ARE AT: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/house-republicans-clean-cr_n_4024755.html

My question was:

Why not just vote on the clean CR that Boehner has admitted he and Reid agreed to, and has more than enough Republican votes to EASILY pass Congress giving Republicans a MASSIVE VICTORY over the Dems in which the Dems have completely surrendered by giving the Republicans across the board spending cuts that force austerity by only funding federal programs at the REDUCED levels as was demanded by the Republicans for which the Senate has PASSED?

JustTheFacts on October 15, 2013 at 11:16 AM

I wonder if Mitch McConnell is doing himself any favors in the long run?

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Not if what is being leaked about the Senate bill is true. It is a complete cave with token “wins” for the GOP.

After the House bill gets passed, I want McConnell to get out there immediately and urge Harry Reid to adopt the House bill and get it to the President’s desk so that government can re-open. In other words, make Harry Reid be the one who refuses to put people back to work.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 11:16 AM

… and what courts have not allowed, Obama has chosen to do whatever the f*ck he wants anyway, with no consequences.

Just saying; presupposing that the elections will fix things, or that the courts will make things right is just naïve at this point.

Midas on October 15, 2013 at 11:17 AM

House GOP members sang “Amazing Grace” together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.

I would have preferred Onward Christian Soldiers. Especially the “marching as to war” bit. Because we need warriors in the House right now.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 9:58 AM

The Battle Hymn of the Republic would have been good, too.

ITguy on October 15, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Why not just vote on the clean CR that Boehner has admitted he and Reid agreed to, and has more than enough Republican votes to EASILY pass Congress giving Republicans a MASSIVE VICTORY over the Dems in which the Dems have completely surrendered by giving the Republicans across the board spending cuts that force austerity by only funding federal programs at the REDUCED levels as was demanded by the Republicans for which the Senate has PASSED?

JustTheFacts on October 15, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Because those across the board cuts include defense? The majority of House Repubs like that pork as much as the Dems do.

kcewa on October 15, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Sorry to say but the proposal from the House is also a piece of crap!

So Big Business gets a one year delay. Big Labor also gets a one year delay (and trust me, they will definitely find a way to get it). But ordinary Americans do not qualify for the one year delay, right?

Establishment pundits should quit peddling the repeal of medical device tax as some win for conservatives. It’s not! It’s actually a win for lobbyists that even Harry Reid supports. And who says Congress can’t find a way around amendments designed to tie them to Obamacare? They either get their salaries increased to pay for it or set up medical centers in-house.

It’s time for the GOP to fight for ordinary Americans who put ythem in office and stop calling conservatives extremists!

TheRightMan on October 15, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Why not just vote on the clean CR that Boehner has admitted he and Reid agreed to, and has more than enough Republican votes to EASILY pass Congress giving Republicans a MASSIVE VICTORY over the Dems in which the Dems have completely surrendered by giving the Republicans across the board spending cuts that force austerity by only funding federal programs at the REDUCED levels as was demanded by the Republicans for which the Senate has PASSED?

JustTheFacts on October 15, 2013 at 11:16 AM

JustTheFacts = Vidkun Quisling or concern troll.

Sorry JTF but you’ll have to prove that Boehner agreed to presenting a clean CR because I’ve been following this closely and I’ve never seen that reported. And those 28 supposedly wobbly Republicans? I don’t buy they are jumping up and down at the House GOP meeting demanding for the full cave.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 11:21 AM

… and what courts have not allowed, Obama has chosen to do whatever the f*ck he wants anyway, with no consequences.

Just saying; presupposing that the elections will fix things, or that the courts will make things right is just naïve at this point.

Midas on October 15, 2013 at 11:17 AM

If that’s true then we have no choice but civil war.

kcewa on October 15, 2013 at 11:22 AM

… and what courts have not allowed, Obama has chosen to do whatever the f*ck he wants anyway, with no consequences.

Just saying; presupposing that the elections will fix things, or that the courts will make things right is just naïve at this point.

Midas on October 15, 2013 at 11:17 AM

If that’s true then we have no choice but civil war.

kcewa on October 15, 2013 at 11:22 AM

A civil may be in the offing, but when the courts allowed obamacare to become law, no one even rioted.

davidk on October 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM

The Battle Hymn of the Republic would have been good, too.

ITguy on October 15, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Yeah, if they really needed to sing at all! Face it, that was nothing more than a photo-op showing the House GOP unified. The same way the Congress gathered on the steps of the Capitol and sang America in the wake of the 9/11/01 atrocities. They were back to partisan fighting soon enough.

Happy Nomad on October 15, 2013 at 11:28 AM

A civil may be in the offing, but when the courts allowed obamacare to become law, no one even rioted.

davidk on October 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM

This country has put up with a lot of scandal and abuse of power, implicitly giving they approval, don’t see why that would change anytime soon.

neuquenguy on October 15, 2013 at 11:29 AM

A civil may be in the offing, but when the courts allowed obamacare to become law, no one even rioted.

davidk on October 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM

True. Which is sad. And the Republicans nominated the author of Romneycare. And Obama was re-elected. We’re screwed.

kcewa on October 15, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Don’t let the truth interfere with a good story: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/government-shutdown-racism-roger-simon-98272.html

davidk on October 15, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Leave my boyfriend alone journalism

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM

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