Krauthammer vs. Will on emerging fiscal deal

posted at 8:21 pm on October 14, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

So, what’s in this deal? The basics, from NRO:

Senate Leaders Harry Reid (D., Nev.) and Mitch McConnell appear to be close to a deal that would reopen the government and raise the debt limit. Reports indicate that the (not yet finalized) agreement would extent the debt limit until early February, while funding the government through mid-January at sequestration levels. The deal would also establish a bicameral conference committee on the budget, which would have to report back to Congress by December 13.

The deal is said to include a requirement that Obamacare enrollees verfit their income in order prove their eligibility for health-care subsidies, something that was already mandated by the law as written, until the Obama administration decided to delay those requirements. The so-called reinsurance tax, a measure opposed by unions, may also be delayed as part of the agreement. Accounts vary as to whether a repeal or delay of the medical device tax is also still on the table. It’s something Republicans have pushed for, but Reid is said to be demanding something in return.


And, from Ezra Klein:

The outline of the emerging Senate deal is this: The government is funded until Jan. 15. The debt ceiling is lifted until Feb. 7. There are a handful of small Affordable Care Act changes: Stronger income verification, which Republicans want, and a one-year delay on the reinsurance tax, which Democrats want.

Oh, and there’s a bicameral budget committee that needs to report back by Dec. 13.

It is a sad state of negotiations when the “give” you get from Democrats is they agree to implement the verification parts of Obamacare that are already in the law. In the words of President Obama, Republicans shouldn’t have to negotiate over Obama doing his job and following the law.

Since the waters are muddy and the winners unclear (and I remain totally unconvinced there was ever a way out of government shutdown with a significant conservative policy win in hand), here are two takes from Charles Krauthammer and George Will, who prove there is diversity in our RINO ranks. Oh, I kid, but seriously. I’m on board with Krauthammer being very concerned about giving away the farm on sequestration, which was originally designed to be an equally painful cudgel for both Republicans and Democrats to force them into a grand bargain, but has ended up being an effective cut in government spending. A relatively small one, but one that actually happened, that Americans did not revolt against, and that Democrats absolutely hate:

KRAUTHAMMER: Well, when it came out last week, it was a bombshell, and they are headed for the exits now. The concessions that are supposed to be — and incidentally, Mitch McConnell who is negotiating this—I’m not blaming him at all, because he has been handed a hand with no cards and whatever he is able to pull off will be a way to escape from what was a disaster. But, they don’t get anything that is real. They will get a few, the Republicans I’m talking about, a few curlicues on the Obamacare that has no effect on the bill, itself, on the law itself, but they are giving away by having the Continuing Resolution of the funding of the government only until January 15th— they are giving the major achievement of this congress away, where in the Budget Control Act of 2011, they instituted severe and strict cuts which are called the sequester, which a Congressional Research Service says is the most successful and largest cutting since the early 1950s and they are giving it away, because if you were to do a resolution for the whole year, you fund for the whole year, you would have the cuts of next year kicking in automatically. And what the republicans ought to do right now is to extend the debt ceiling for six weeks clean, and exactly as Obama wants, and this is what the House should do, and give a clean C.R. for a year, and exactly as –

BAIER: right at thanksgiving?

KRAUTHAMMER: allow — you mean on the debt ceiling. You give yourself six weeks in which you can negotiate like a Ryan plan with the White House. that’s the only leverage that you are going to have for anything. On the C.rR, if you give them a year on the Continuing Resolution, which is again what Obama had wanted in the first place, what you will get are the automatic cuts next year, which is the most effective way to cut the budget.

Will thinks Republicans have notched a win by merely forcing Obama into some kind of negotiations, which he declared he would not brook. A Pyrhhic victory, but again, I’m convinced that’s what we were destined for regardless:

WILL: I disagree with Charles. I think that the Republicans are coming out of this very well. The President who said I never drew a red line regarding chemical weapons and did it, and then said he would not go to the sequester, and demonstrated the reporting that said it would and wanting Continuing Resolutions, and president who said he is not going to negotiate is going to negotiate.

Hey, it’s a race to the bottom anyway!

I’m waiting on video of the exchange and I’ll update when I’ve got it.

Guy Benson acknowledges this for the bad deal it is,
but suggests we move on from this all-consuming Charlie Foxtrot and get to clobbering vulnerable Democrats with Obamcare, as Tom Cotton is Sen. Mark Pryor:

Republicans should seriously consider improving the offer to whatever extent is possible, then accepting it. End the shutdown, stave off technical default, and pivot the entire GOP messaging strategy to addressing the slow-motion trainwreck that is the Obamacare launch. To attain goals beyond mere policy scraps at the federal level, Republicans need to win elections. It’s political malpractice to allow these budget crises to continue to detract from the “excruciatingly embarrassing” “disaster” Democrats have created for themselves with Obamacare. Take an imperfect deal, then bombard vulnerable Democrats like this:

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Watched it and loved it.

mjbrooks3 on October 14, 2013 at 8:26 PM

The outline of the emerging Senate deal…

Outline? Doggone it, I was hoping for the framework.

forest on October 14, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Senate Leaders Harry Reid (D., Nev.) and Mitch McConnell appear to be close to a deal that would reopen the government….

Send in the Vets…

They know how to re-open things….

Electrongod on October 14, 2013 at 8:27 PM

ugh….

kick the can down the road for another cave in….

cmsinaz on October 14, 2013 at 8:27 PM

But then again.,…

Why would they….

Re-open the Beast isn’t the good.

Electrongod on October 14, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Giving unions a break on Obamacare? Hard to think of anything that would p*ss me off more.

GCM on October 14, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Appeasers Delight!

The newest menu item available at Georgetown restaurants.

It’s part spineless jellyfish, part pork with a garnished crap sammich on the side.

PappyD61 on October 14, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Once they’re finished with this kerfuffle …temporarily… the GOP will get on with their next little project… expanding the Democrat voting base …and putting the sombrero on their new logo… the rhinoceros.

thatsafactjack on October 14, 2013 at 8:32 PM

It’s no wonder that Tea Party Republicans hate the leadership. I see no hope for this country until there is a revival of true patriotism in the land, but that will take a lot of liberals and democrats coming to terms with their role in the destruction of this country.

HiJack on October 14, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Ok GOP you don’t have to eat an entire shit sandwich. The dems are willing to cut off some of the bread.

bgibbs1000 on October 14, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Man, this deal is looking better and better:

Labor unions are poised to score the delay of an ObamaCare tax in the bipartisan budget deal emerging in the Senate.

The bargain under negotiation would make small adjustments to the healthcare law, including delaying the law’s reinsurance fee for one year. The three-year tax is meant to generate revenue that will stabilize premiums on the individual market as sick patients enter the risk pool.

McConnell, you magnificent bastard! /sarc

Robert_Paulson on October 14, 2013 at 8:35 PM

The deal would also establish a bicameral conference committee on the budget, which would have to report back to Congress by December 13.

I wonder who would be picked to lead this conference. Maybe a couple of chairmen who don’t have a stake in an active political career right now. Are Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson available? That’s off the top of my head, of course.

DaveDief on October 14, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Robert_Paulson on October 14, 2013 at 8:35 PM

i just saw that on drudge….

cripe sakes….squishy gop screw us over….

its the law of the land they cried

cmsinaz on October 14, 2013 at 8:36 PM

So the concession the democrats are gonna make is… to follow 1 point of the law….

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

wonder if Barry gives ya a kiss before ya bend over

roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 14, 2013 at 8:36 PM

The deal is said to include a requirement that Obamacare enrollees verfit their income in order prove their eligibility for health-care subsidies, something that was already mandated by the law as written, until the Obama administration decided to delay those requirements. The so-called reinsurance tax, a measure opposed by unions, may also be delayed as part of the agreement.


Another
GIFT to the Democrats and a “Sorry, but nobody in the Washington Power Structure gives a damn about delaying the individual mandate”

” …suggests we move on from this all-consuming Charlie Foxtrot …”

NO!

The Charlie Foxtrot is coming for the GOPe next November – their cowardice and surrender to the SCOAMF will not be forgiven – their willingness to give a THUG anything just so they can keep their Pay Masters happy.

Let.It.Burn

PolAgnostic on October 14, 2013 at 8:37 PM

A win for the unions in this deal:

Stronger income verification, which Republicans want, and a one-year delay on the reinsurance tax, which Democrats want.

Giving unions a break on Obamacare? Hard to think of anything that would p*ss me off more.

GCM on October 14, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Yup, this is going backwards, more of Obama’s friends getting a pass on Obamacare.

neuquenguy on October 14, 2013 at 8:37 PM

bgibbs1000 on October 14, 2013 at 8:34 PM

the crust just the way they like it

cmsinaz on October 14, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Every Republican that votes for this deal OWNS ObamaCare.

HondaV65 on October 14, 2013 at 8:37 PM

The GOP is done done done. Release the Kracken!

Mr. Arrogant on October 14, 2013 at 8:38 PM

neuquenguy on October 14, 2013 at 8:37 PM

the lsm will just sweep this under the rug…

crickets

cmsinaz on October 14, 2013 at 8:38 PM

It’s time for Conservative Republican lawmakers to REVOLT. Tell McRage, McConnell and Boehner they can pass their Socialism with Dimmocritic votes.

HondaV65 on October 14, 2013 at 8:40 PM

wait a minute..who says the House is going to accept this? there’s just as good a chance obama will have to agree to shorter time spans or default.

gracie on October 14, 2013 at 8:40 PM

ANY Republican that votes to give the unions an Obamacare break while sticking it to all the ‘little guys’ deserves to lose their seat in the House or Senate.

Freddy on October 14, 2013 at 8:42 PM

George Will has a lot more, let’s say, gravitas, then Krauthammer who seems to reflexively think the sky is always falling for the Repubs. Maybe that is because Krauthammer doesn’t really like the Repubs, and continues to take the view that he took before when he was Mondale’s speech writer and a self-described “70% Mondale liberal, 30% Scoop Jackson Democrat.”

anotherJoe on October 14, 2013 at 8:42 PM

When the people who insist that this nation live within it’s means are called “radicals” by “moderate” members of their own party – we are truly a damned nation.

What the RINO’s got out of this fight – was a hardcore definition that people who talk about cutting the deficit – are “irresponsible radicals”.

Thank you very much, you ignoramus Ayatollahs.

HondaV65 on October 14, 2013 at 8:43 PM

PS: Mary Katharine Ham needs to learn what a default is. This ongoing lack of understanding regarding the payment of principal and interest of us treasury notes is simply UNACCEPTABLE.

Freddy on October 14, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Yep, it’s just about over, toss in the coming Ryan/Rubio Comprehensive Mexicanization of North America Plan and it will be done.

The good thing is that no one will need to be responsible for turning off the lights because either there will be no electricity to keep the lights on in the first place or a rioter will have smashed the light and stolen the switch.

Bishop on October 14, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Stronger income verification

Oh? HOW? The damned programming DOESN’T WORK! Or are the Republicans unaware of that?

Shut the whole damned thing down!

GarandFan on October 14, 2013 at 8:46 PM

ANY Republican that votes to give the unions an Obamacare break while sticking it to all the ‘little guys’ deserves to lose their seat in the House or Senate.

Freddy on October 14, 2013 at 8:42 PM

i agree…and there’s a fair amount in this poopy sandwich to make the house defeat it.

gracie on October 14, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Here’s the question I have: is o’care even set up to handle income verification?

kcewa on October 14, 2013 at 8:49 PM

It might be just me, but in every negotiation the Republicans seem to end up giving Obama more than what he was asking for in the beginning.

neuquenguy on October 14, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Stronger income verification, which Republicans want, and a one-year delay on the reinsurance tax, which Democrats want.

That’s the big, sloppy, wet one from the Democrats to the unions.

Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal

All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others.

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2013/10/pic-of-day-some-animals-are-more-equal.html

Resist We Much on October 14, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Hey, it’s a race to the bottom anyway!

With Will and Krauthammer racing to see who can dig the fastest and deepest.

VorDaj on October 14, 2013 at 8:50 PM

WILL: I disagree with Charles. I think that the Republicans are coming out of this very well.

Yeah, I believe you said something to that effect after last year’s Supreme Court judgement on Obamacare.

rickv404 on October 14, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Guy Benson acknowledges this for the bad deal it is, but suggests we move on from this all-consuming Charlie Foxtrot and get to clobbering vulnerable Democrats with Obamcare

I suggest rejecting the offer.

Stoic Patriot on October 14, 2013 at 8:53 PM

neuquenguy on October 14, 2013 at 8:50 PM

you’re not alone

cmsinaz on October 14, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Bishop on October 14, 2013 at 8:45 PM

The cartel paying top-penny for copper.

Also virgins.

Axe on October 14, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Why not just put in that the law is to be enforced as written with no waivers or exemptions?

The D’s love the Obamacare law, so force them to actually want it ENFORCED AS THEY WROTE IT.

ajacksonian on October 14, 2013 at 8:56 PM

PS: Mary Katharine Ham needs to learn what a default is. This ongoing lack of understanding regarding the payment of principal and interest of us treasury notes is simply UNACCEPTABLE.

Freddy on October 14, 2013 at 8:44 PM

.
Hot Air and its editors are GOPe-media.

They have consistently backed the “win the NEXT fight” approach.

PolAgnostic on October 14, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Bad deal…

With that said the GOP leadership in both the house and senate needs to be purged so at least we now hopefully all realize that. They suck at messaging, they suck at negotiating, and lack strength. Far as I am concerned Mark Pryor is the least of my concerns, it is the GOP RINOs from Red states that must go.

There is no sense putting off this civil war until 2016…now is the time.

William Eaton on October 14, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Does anybody remember last year’s debt limit crisis? Good times

neuquenguy on October 14, 2013 at 9:04 PM

And the final:

Rats 102
PRL -5

Steve Eggleston on October 14, 2013 at 9:05 PM

The cartel paying top-penny for copper.

Also virgins.

Axe on October 14, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Scumbags, but at least they admit being what they are, up here our terrorist thugs have private offices in D.C.

Bishop on October 14, 2013 at 9:06 PM

sequestration, which was originally designed to be an equally painful cudgel for both Republicans and Democrats to force them into a grand bargain, but has ended up being an effective cut in government spending. A relatively small one, but one that actually happened, that Americans did not revolt against, and that Democrats absolutely hate:

Why assume the D’s “absolutely hate” it? “Sequester” is already just a dim memory, and the American Sheeple would have already completely forgotten about it by now if the pol’s would stop mentioning it. The flock has been intentionally conditioned that way, to have a several-day attention span. D’s are result-oriented, and won’t dwell on a small loss that is already all but forgotten. And after all, they’re well on their way to convincing the sheeple that sequester cuts were all the R’s fault anyway.

Any change in conditions that persists for more than a few days becomes the “new norm” with the Sheeple. Sadly, you could probably ratchet the whole damn spending down slowly but continually if you had the media’s support. Ain’t gonna happen, though.

bofh on October 14, 2013 at 9:06 PM

At this point — given the invertebrate RINO caucus — a military coup is looking better and better …

ShainS on October 14, 2013 at 9:07 PM

And the final:

Rats 102
PRL -5

Steve Eggleston on October 14, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Heh. Five own-goals. Top PRL scorers: McCain 2; Gramnesty, Ayotte, McConnell 1 each.

bofh on October 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM

When this get back to normal, call in the head of the NPS and get down to the bottom of who was responsible for closing the WWII memorial and who was responsible for putting the barrycades back up, after they were removed by the veterans. Then they can put together a bill to return as many of the National Parks as possible to the states and get rid of as many Park Rangers as they can.

It’s one thing to say you don’t have enough park rangers to dump the trash, it’s quite another to do what they did to veterans. Once again, the Democrats spit on veterans and they should be held accountable.

bflat879 on October 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Good God. I’m vomiting over here at the sheer amount of bullshit spin to try to find any way to shape this big turd into a ‘win’ of any kind.

Midas on October 14, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Heh. Five own-goals. Top PRL scorers: McCain 2; Gramnesty, Ayotte, McConnell 1 each.

bofh on October 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Actually, it was McCain 2 self-goals, Ryan 2 self-goals, McConnell 1 self-goal.

Steve Eggleston on October 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

I suggest rejecting the offer.

Stoic Patriot on October 14, 2013 at 8:53 PM

me too….and i really don’t go for guy either

gracie on October 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Here’s the question I have: is o’care even set up to handle income verification?

kcewa on October 14, 2013 at 8:49 PM

no…they can’t even set up the accounts in the 1st place

gracie on October 14, 2013 at 9:13 PM

I think Charles is onto something. Locking in spending for a year longer at sequestration levels sidelines Obama’s grand infrastructure giveaways. No deals on Obamacare, let it implode. 2014 will take care of itself.

can_con on October 14, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Every Republican that votes for this deal OWNS ObamaCare.

HondaV65 on October 14, 2013 at 8:37 PM

You voted for Obama, you OWN Obamacare.

slickwillie2001 on October 14, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Actually, it was McCain 2 self-goals, Ryan 2 self-goals, McConnell 1 self-goal.

Steve Eggleston on October 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

OK. Won’t argue it. Some of the taxi squad should get a few assists, however.

bofh on October 14, 2013 at 9:23 PM

If the unions are happy, all of us should be happy. /s

Drained Brain on October 14, 2013 at 9:23 PM

So, PolAgnostic, then why come to HA? What makes this blog less and less interesting with each passing day is the fact that you and all the other rightwingers live in your own little bubble of alternate reality, where you actually believe most of the country thinks the way you do, they just don’t know it.

What did you expect the Republicans to do after your hero Cruz self-servingly backed them into a corner?

As Krauthammer humbly and humorously pointed out, Another Joe, in his misguided youth he worked for Mondale–oh, and did you know Reagan was once a big admirer of FDR? At least Charles seems to have the forgiving nature so many of you TruCons seem to lack.

As someone once said to me, there is no one more passionate than a convert. Too bad the narrow-minded small tent base of the Republican Party feels the need to forever bash people like Krauthammer.

Meredith on October 14, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Face it, Harry is a mean old b@stard who is kicking our @ss all over the place because the GOP is a bunch of pu55ies who will never, ever stand up and fight, nor get their messaging out to the masses in a way that makes them understand what is really happening. Goodbye, America. (Go ahead and gloat libfree, we deserve it.)

SailorMark on October 14, 2013 at 9:28 PM

What makes this blog less and less interesting with each passing day is the fact that you and all the other rightwingers live in your own little bubble of alternate reality, where you actually believe most of the country thinks the way you do, they just don’t know it.

ROFL

Bishop on October 14, 2013 at 9:36 PM

PS: Mary Katharine Ham needs to learn what a default is. This ongoing lack of understanding regarding the payment of principal and interest of us treasury notes is simply UNACCEPTABLE.
Freddy on October 14, 2013 at 8:44 PM

.
Hot Air and its editors are GOPe-media.
They have consistently backed the “win the NEXT fight” approach.
PolAgnostic on October 14, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Very true.

bluegill on October 14, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Guy Benson acknowledges this for the bad deal it is, but suggests we move on from this all-consuming Charlie Foxtrot and get to clobbering vulnerable Democrats with Obamcare, as Tom Cotton is Sen. Mark Pryor:

Let him do that. I’m defecting to the Libertarians. They may be wackos, but unlike the GOPe, they have a spine.

Myron Falwell on October 14, 2013 at 9:39 PM

You “let it burn” advocates assume that you’ll get to keep your guns to defend yourself and family.

They MUST get the guns so there will be no resistance when the Mexicans start pouring across by the millions every month!!

PappyD61 on October 14, 2013 at 9:48 PM

the toupee vs da chair.

#whatdifferencedoesitmake

renalin on October 14, 2013 at 9:48 PM

Gutless bags of slime.

Bmore on October 14, 2013 at 9:48 PM

Gutless bags of slime.

Bmore on October 14, 2013 at 9:48 PM

Hey, Bmore!

I sent you an email about 20 minutes ago. :)

predator on October 14, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Mitch McConnell who is negotiating this—I’m not blaming him at all, because he has been handed a hand with no cards and whatever he is able to pull off will be a way to escape from what was a disaster.

I don’t accept this tired plaint. Everything about the republican mindset today is passivity and resignation. It’s always about the cards we’re dealt, the reality we have to deal with, the conditions we have to accept. It’s all about the least we can get rather than the most, about what we should be pleased with from a position of weakness rather than what we should demand out of strength and justice. It’s like we’ve internalized a second-class status and can’t even conceive of taking an empowered negotiating position based on the time-tested value of our core principles and their resonance with the people. Because we’re terrified of going over the heads of the media ogres and liberal overlords to the American people. Because we’re walking on the eggshells of our fragile standing and inherent defects as Conservatives as told to us again and again by the MSM.

We lose the psychological war before the battles even begin.

This is the mindset Ted Cruz has been trying to shock out of itself. And they all hate him for it.

rrpjr on October 14, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Labor unions are poised to score the delay of an ObamaCare tax in the bipartisan budget deal emerging in the Senate.

How is this possible? Does not the ‘established and SCOTUS upheld law of the land’ apply equally to everyone??

It sounds almost like a criminal endeavor where punitive “laws” don’t apply to select groups that benefit the Capo..

Mimzey on October 14, 2013 at 10:06 PM

I’m getting bored with this.

Time to move on.

We can focus on the failure of the exchanges if you just hurry it up. But don’t give up the Sequester, it is the only thing working in all DC.

petunia on October 14, 2013 at 10:09 PM

This is the mindset Ted Cruz has been trying to shock out of itself. And they all hate him for it.

rrpjr on October 14, 2013 at 9:59 PM

The GOPe is a zombie political party. There is no point in trying to bring it back from the dead as long as the Socialists have complete control over all operations.

Better to cut off all ties with the GOPe and go third party.

Myron Falwell on October 14, 2013 at 10:09 PM

It’s time for Conservative Republican lawmakers to REVOLT. Tell McRage, McConnell and Boehner they can pass their Socialism with Dimmocritic votes.

HondaV65 on October 14, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Awwww. How precious. The ObamaVoter has an opinion.

kim roy on October 14, 2013 at 10:14 PM

the toupee vs da chair.
#whatdifferencedoesitmake
renalin on October 14, 2013 at 9:48 PM

Renalin, you call a disabled man like Charles Krauthammer “da chair”? Now I have a better idea why so many here consider you a troll and why so many Palin fans are ashamed of you.

bluegill on October 14, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Hot Air and its editors are GOPe-media.
They have consistently backed the “win the NEXT fight” approach.
PolAgnostic on October 14, 2013 at 8:56 PM

That there exists a hill to die on is a Republican lie supported by pundits and bloggers. It’s a fantasy. A scam.

God, if I could only get in on a game of high stakes poker with Boehner and his pals up there.

Dongemaharu on October 14, 2013 at 10:17 PM

If you are going to fail at defunding Ocare, at least you could make everyone suffer equally. Get rid of all exceptions, get rid of the one year big business delay, no taxpayer subsidies for government workers, all federal workers must use Ocare – no exceptions. Then LIB.

Corsair on October 14, 2013 at 10:17 PM

It’s time for Conservative Republican lawmakers to REVOLT. Tell McRage, McConnell and Boehner they can pass their Socialism with Dimmocritic votes.

HondaV65 on October 14, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Awwww. How precious. The ObamaVoter has an opinion.

kim roy on October 14, 2013 at 10:14 PM

The sad thing is, that opinion makes more sense than the mealy-mouth tripe passed off as “strategy” by the GOPe Media Complex.

Myron Falwell on October 14, 2013 at 10:23 PM

ROFL

Bishop on October 14, 2013 at 9:36 PM

As someone once said to me, there is no one more passionate than a convert. Too bad the narrow-minded small tent base of the Republican Party feels the need to forever bash people like Krauthammer.

Meredith on October 14, 2013 at 9:25 PM

The bit about the last week’s off-the-record WH meeting attendee was funnier.

wolfsDad on October 14, 2013 at 10:25 PM

I think Charles is onto something. Locking in spending for a year longer at sequestration levels sidelines Obama’s grand infrastructure giveaways. No deals on Obamacare, let it implode. 2014 will take care of itself.

can_con on October 14, 2013 at 9:17 PM

I tend to agree with this, with the right messaging. ” We tried for the American people but we don’t have the votes to stop those who will not negotiate in good faith and pass budgets as required by law! So we will allow the American people to decide next Nov if Obamacare is everything it was sold as or if in fact it is one big expensive, job killing lie, a crap sandwich, passed in the dark of night on Christmas eve, with a bare majority of democrat only votes after numerous bribes and intimidation’s, resulting in resignations and defeat!”

I took the exchange between Kraut and Will to be over whether or not the bargain would end the sequester. Kraut saying yes, Will, no.

ConcealedKerry on October 14, 2013 at 10:27 PM

The sad thing is, that opinion makes more sense than the mealy-mouth tripe passed off as “strategy” by the GOPe Media Complex.

Myron Falwell on October 14, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Which is why he voted for Obama and hides behind a fake name – because he stands behind his beliefs and is out there trying to make a difference.

Words without action mean absolutely nothing, just like the GOPe.

Well… correction… we already know ObamaVoter’s actions and that is to vote for Obama so that’s enough for me. Do you think the opinion of someone who voted for Obama in 2012 is valid?

kim roy on October 14, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Obama: I want a $1000
GOP Elites: No we will give you $900.
Obama: This is not negotiable, $1000.
GOP Elites: No we will give you $950.
Obama: This is not negotiable, $1000.
GOP Elites: No we will give you $975.
Obama: This is not negotiable, $1000.
GOP Elites: No we will give you $999.
Obama: This is not negotiable, $1000.
GOP Elites: No we will give you $1050.
Obama: This is not negotiable, $1200.
GOP Elites: No we will give you $1500.

I have never seen such a terrible team to negotiate anything. These people would be out of business the afternoon they started a real business.

jukin3 on October 14, 2013 at 10:42 PM

The sad thing is, that opinion makes more sense than the mealy-mouth tripe passed off as “strategy” by the GOPe Media Complex.

Myron Falwell on October 14, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Which is why he voted for Obama and hides behind a fake name – because he stands behind his beliefs and is out there trying to make a difference.

Words without action mean absolutely nothing, just like the GOPe.

Well… correction… we already know ObamaVoter’s actions and that is to vote for Obama so that’s enough for me. Do you think the opinion of someone who voted for Obama in 2012 is valid?

kim roy on October 14, 2013 at 10:31 PM

I knew about Honda for quite awhile. I was damning those who claim to be on “our side” but are clearly in the mindset of surrender (including the GOPe Media Complex). They are no better than Honda.

Myron Falwell on October 14, 2013 at 10:47 PM

GOP
Whig
Two of the same.

Steveangell on October 14, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Krauthammer – The Best Speechwriter Democrat Walter Mondale Ever Had…..

Will – The Best Speechwriter Democrat George H.W. “Read My Lips: These Are Taxes” Bush Ever Had….

williamg on October 15, 2013 at 12:46 AM

Do we know that the House is going to go along with this? Has going to conference been eliminated?

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 12:58 AM

The obvious thing is that Krauthammer is still in awe of Obama. Now, why, after five years, I can’t explain. The soft bigotry of low expectations?

Cindy Munford on October 15, 2013 at 1:00 AM

George Will is RIGHT!
As in Correct. I think Republicans are doing well. Not with the media but with the American people who stopped believing Obama and his mouth pieces a long time ago.

Delsa on October 15, 2013 at 1:11 AM

GOP
Whig
Two of the same.

Steveangell on October 14, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Well yes, who do you think formed up the Republicans? Mostly former Whigs, including Lincoln himself. Most of them being pro mercantilism with government handouts to favored business interests.

oryguncon on October 15, 2013 at 3:13 AM

The halfwit caucus starts a fire, then criticizes the leadership for failing to put it out before anything was damaged.

Scholars, every blessed one.

Adjoran on October 15, 2013 at 4:23 AM

I think Republicans are doing well. Not with the media but with the American people who stopped believing Obama and his mouth pieces a long time ago.

Delsa on October 15, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Ya know, I really want to believe this but what’s your hard evidence of it?

Cleombrotus on October 15, 2013 at 7:06 AM

Ok this seems like an odd complaint, but I can’t click on Ezra Klein’s link for some reason.

[A]nd a one-year delay on the reinsurance tax, which Democrats want.

But anyway, aren’t GOP against taxes? Isn’t this a win for everyone? *taps mic* Hello?

BigGator5 on October 15, 2013 at 7:47 AM

BigGator5 on October 15, 2013 at 7:47 AM

Besides, it’s a one-year delay. If Unions want a full repeal then they have to come to the GOP.

BigGator5 on October 15, 2013 at 7:50 AM

MAN: I am weary of the Obama Administration. Democrats buy votes with taxpayer dollars. The Bushes, both father and son, tried this same bullshit.

Bottom line: GET THIS: YOUR KIDS AND MINE PAY THE BILL FOR EXCESS GOVERNMENT SPENDING.

GOT IT??????? phew! I am weary. My judgment: If any senator or congressman would agree to increase the debt limit by ONE CENT,
THEN patriots ought to rebel.

LET’S BE DONE WITH THIS SHIT.

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R.U. Kiddin on October 15, 2013 at 12:12 PM