ABC/WaPo poll: Disapproval of handling of budget talks continues to climb for Obama, congressional GOP

posted at 5:51 pm on October 14, 2013 by Allahpundit

Noteworthy in that it contradicts the least believable result from the big WSJ/NBC poll . That one had Obama’s overall job approval increasing slightly after the shutdown, from 45/50 to 47/48. Not so, says, ABC/WaPo, which puts public approval of how he’s handling budget talks down from net -5 a week ago to -11 now. That’s right in line with Gallup, which has his overall job approval today at 41/53 or -12. (Overall job approval and approval on the specific issue of budget negotiations are two different things, but since the latter’s consumed the news for the past two weeks, it seems like a reasonable proxy for the former.) On the other hand, the most recent Rasmussen poll has Obama at 48/50, which is in line with the WSJ/NBC result. Hard to tell who’s right, but given that shutdowns tend to drag everyone in government down with them, I assume ABC and Gallup are closer to the mark. The RCP poll average, not surprisingly, is right in between at -6.4 points as I write this; for what it’s worth, O was at -7.4 in RCP on September 27, a few days before the shutdown began. If you believe the poll average, he’s actually gained negligibly since it began.

As for the GOP, nothing surprising. Here’s the result when people were asked whether they approve or disapprove of how each of the three major players are handling budget talks:

abc

They’ve gone from -37 two weeks ago, just before the shutdown began, to -46 a week ago to -53 now, a rate of loss that exceeds Obama’s even though he has much farther to fall. By comparison, disapproval of congressional Democrats hasn’t moved at all over the past week (although approval is down two points, leaving them at net -2 overall). These numbers are, in fact, similar to what WSJ/NBC found when it asked people whether they approve or disapprove of the overall job that congressional Republicans and Democrats are doing. For the GOP, that number was 24/70; for Democrats, it was 36/59. No one’s coming out smelling like a rose here, but needless to say, if your strategy is premised upon generating a groundswell of opposition to ObamaCare in order to force Obama to defund it, the fact that the anti-ObamaCare party has the lowest job approval of all three parties means there isn’t much pressure on O.

No secret as to why it’s the lowest either. Very simply, the GOP is split in a way that Democratic voters aren’t. Note the breakdown in the table above among “somewhat conservative” and “very conservative” voters. Net approval of congressional Republicans on budget talks among the “very conservative” bounced from net -7 two weeks ago to +3 last week as the House GOP followed through on a shutdown to -2 now as they’ve inched towards a deal. Among “somewhat conservative” voters, it’s dropped from -21 two weeks ago to -39 after the shutdown began to -36 today — again, probably because there are signs of a deal, a result which more moderate conservatives support. I wish there was a follow-up question probing how many people in each of those categories disapprove because they think Boehner and McConnell have gone too far versus not far enough. The media likes to pretend that tea partiers/the “very conservative” are monolithic in wanting the GOP to accept nothing short of defunding ObamaCare, come what may. I have my doubts — again, 45 percent of the “very conservative” disapproved of congressional Republicans even after they’d stood firm and shut the government down last week — but there’s no way to know without numbers. Interesting, though, that even among the “very conservative,” approval of Obama’s handling of talks stands at 23/76. The opposite demographic, i.e. liberals’ approval of the GOP in Congress, is just 11/87. Hmmmm.


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all this means nothing. I also disapprove of how the Republicans are handling things but that doesn’t mean I approve of anyone else.

pecan pie on October 14, 2013 at 5:55 PM

So among independents approval of GOP Congress has fallen roughly the same amount (5% pts) as Obama (4% pts) and Dem Congress (6% pts) in the past week.

What’s the panic for?

blue13326 on October 14, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Kudos to Obama for doing his job..

Fore!!!

Electrongod on October 14, 2013 at 5:57 PM

#winning?

er….

ted c on October 14, 2013 at 5:58 PM

well we’re down so low we got nothing to lose. let it burn and clean out the vermin.

gracie on October 14, 2013 at 6:03 PM

I disapprove of the repubs offering 238 different deals, each one closer to total capitulation.

Lost in Jersey on October 14, 2013 at 6:03 PM

I think they don’t realize that many people disapprove of the national pubs just on principle. because they are wussies; in general. some folks don’t approve of wussies, even if they are doing what they would do or want them to do and even if they are “winning”. like around here how many people “approve” of AP? even if we almost always agree with him he’d have some decent disapprove numbers for just being so damn beta. like that.

t8stlikchkn on October 14, 2013 at 6:06 PM

World, you wanted obama – you got him, in full glory.

Keep him.

The congress? Most all out, both sides.

Schadenfreude on October 14, 2013 at 6:06 PM

pecan pie on October 14, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Exactly.

Charlemagne on October 14, 2013 at 6:06 PM

I wonder what percentage of respondents could pass a basic civics test.

Kataklysmic on October 14, 2013 at 6:08 PM

So among independents approval of GOP Congress has fallen roughly the same amount (5% pts) as Obama (4% pts) and Dem Congress (6% pts) in the past week.
What’s the panic for?
blue13326 on October 14, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Quite simply, because independents don’t matter. Mitt Romney won them

libfreeordie on October 14, 2013 at 6:10 PM

The congress? Most all out, both sides.

Schadenfreude on October 14, 2013 at 6:06 PM

..where’s that JAL airplane driver when you need him most, eh bro?

The War Planner on October 14, 2013 at 6:11 PM

GOP can’t articulate anything even related to a message.

Starlink on October 14, 2013 at 5:55 PM

With the exception that the Tea Party is the crazy Uncle they want to disassociate from the party. And Ted Cruz, et. al. are “wacko birds.” Other than that, they stink.

conservative pilgrim on October 14, 2013 at 6:12 PM

shouldn’t allah be signing these posts as “The blogger formerly known as Allahpundit”…just to avoid the confusion?//
tips

ted c on October 14, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Extend the deadlines – debt ceiling and CR:

On debt ceiling do not give up on sequester cuts. Increase cuts except for the military.

On the CR – Due in part to Cruz and Lee, Obamacare is receiving quite a bit of attention from a Senate perspective. They pushed what they could. It gives Cruz, Lee, and other TeaParty lawmakers the opportunity to make their case over a longer period of time to the American public. While Obamacare, gets to soak in it’s own dirty bathwater. And I think that bathwater is going to be pretty dirty by the time that the deadlines come due again…..

bubbafromkc on October 14, 2013 at 6:14 PM

more meaningless polling.

Mr. Arrogant on October 14, 2013 at 6:14 PM

So among independents approval of GOP Congress has fallen roughly the same amount (5% pts) as Obama (4% pts) and Dem Congress (6% pts) in the past week.

What’s the panic for?

blue13326 on October 14, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Short answer, there is no reason other than to vilify Ted Cruz.

From this moment on when blame shall be placed, Boooooosh is retired and will now be replaced with Cruuuuuuuz.

reddevil on October 14, 2013 at 6:14 PM

The lowest Gallup dailey tracking poll number for Obama’s approval rating in the Tea Party revolution cycle between September and November of 2010 was -9 and 41-50. Of the 62 data points that was his worst number during the entire landslide election period. On November 2nd, election day of 2010 he was at -6. Currently, Obama stands at -12 and 41-53. And the day Ted Cruz gave his 21 hour speech on the 23rd, Obama was at -1.

Yet some how Republicans are in bad shape a year from now? Please. What will be remembered on election day is that Republicans tried pretty hard to stop Obamacare. That and not a government shut down will be what people are thinking about on election day 2014. That and probably 2-3 other things that have yet to happen. No need to panic over these numbers.

KMav on October 14, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Quite simply, because independents don’t matter. Mitt Romney won them

libfreeordie on October 14, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Your savior is down to 16% with Independents. I know, they are racists.

/Bite me.

Key West Reader on October 14, 2013 at 6:15 PM

independents don’t matter. Mitt Romney won them

libfreeordie on October 14, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Mitt Romney also won the college graduate vote. That must still stick in your craw.

Del Dolemonte on October 14, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Hey Slave, this is for you:

The Obama administration’s top job isn’t beating the Republicans. It’s running the government well. On this — the most important initiative they’ve launched — they’ve run the government badly. They deserve all the criticism they’re getting and more.


Argue against it, weasel-brain.

Schadenfreude on October 14, 2013 at 6:17 PM

What’s the panic for?

blue13326 on October 14, 2013 at 5:57 PM


Because the House looking out for interests of the American People is down 1000% with GOPe/RINO’s/Business Groups/GOPe-Media !!!!

The GOPe/RINO’s/Business Groups/GOPe-Media have NO problem with Obamacare being implemented or the debt ceiling being raised to whatever the SCOAMF wishes.

Proof of this statement will be on display just as soon as something that can pass the Senate with at least 4 Republicans supporting it (McCain, Graham, Collins, Flake) and rammed down the House’s “throat” is announced.

The GOPe-Media will proclaim “We cannot allow a default and this is ALL the fault of the TEA Party terrorists in the HOUSE!”

Stay tuned to this website to see their support for the swill deal.

PolAgnostic on October 14, 2013 at 6:17 PM

again, 45 percent of the “very conservative” disapproved of congressional Republicans even after they’d stood firm and shut the government down last week

It’s going to take a lot more than waiting a few weeks before they surrender (as opposed to immediately surrendering) to get me to approve of the GOP.

besser tot als rot on October 14, 2013 at 6:18 PM

I’m a white racist Tea Party Member and I hope the Republicans hold their ground. I’m a Viet Nam and the way this scum of the earth lowlife President has done the Vets of this country needs to resign now, like today, today. We don’t need this lowlife any more.

tmgrant on October 14, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Slave, how come you’re not ashamed of such a dummy in chief?

Isn’t it painful to be represented by such?

Do you actually have any standards at all?

Schadenfreude on October 14, 2013 at 6:18 PM

The establishment GOP that looks at polls and thinks they are going to screw the base over on Obamacare funding will have another thing coming. Like a third party or a seriously fractured R party.

Don’t open the govt with Obamacare funding.

The govt (as national parks) is reopening without a clean CR. Don’t link the debt ceiling to the govt shutdown. Those are two separate issues. Now we need to focus on negotiations to raise the debt ceiling. The govt shutdown is a separate issue, to be negotiated separately, after the debt ceiling is or isn’t dealt with.

anotherJoe on October 14, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Shorter analysis:

- Rats: We’re breaking the GOP thanks to our Presstitute Organs putting the blame solely on them, not that anybody other than the DC GOP believes it, so Go Team SCOAMT!
- “Independents”: A pox on all of them.
- Pubbies: “Our” side is folding like the cheap paper they always were even though nobody out here is buying the “It’s all the GOP’s fault” the Organs are spewing, so <expletive deleted> them.

Steve Eggleston on October 14, 2013 at 6:23 PM

oh yeaeth againe!!! another poll by a media organization that wants the destruction of the GOp as badly as the dems do. Sure, let’s formulate our decisions on this new crap today

NBC on Friday. ABC today. CBS is due by Wednesday.

DanMan on October 14, 2013 at 6:28 PM

I have to say, if someone with a poll called me I would probably number amongst those annoyed with the Republicans and it has nothing to do with the shut down.

Cindy Munford on October 14, 2013 at 6:28 PM

The Republicans need to hire Cousin Vinny for messaging. He gets the point across with few words but they’re understood. “Whatever he says is bullsh**” then have people go ask Obama what his plan is.

My plan, simple, pass a CR for 60 days, tell the Democrats there will be no more CR’s, from now on everything is going to be done through the budget process. Send them a budget and call it a day. As far as the debt limit goes, pass a debt limit increase until after the 1st of the year and then tell them, if we don’t work out the budget details, the debt limit is not going to be clean.

bflat879 on October 14, 2013 at 6:28 PM

So Repubs are down because their own base is dissatisfied, and dems and the Rodeo Clown are down because pretty much the whole country hates them. Interesting. Definitely time for the GOP to panic.

Rational Thought on October 14, 2013 at 6:32 PM

The lowest Gallup dailey tracking poll number for Obama’s approval rating in the Tea Party revolution cycle between September and November of 2010 was -9 and 41-50. Of the 62 data points that was his worst number during the entire landslide election period. On November 2nd, election day of 2010 he was at -6. Currently, Obama stands at -12 and 41-53. And the day Ted Cruz gave his 21 hour speech on the 23rd, Obama was at -1.

KMav on October 14, 2013 at 6:14 PM

*sigh*

Weren’t we doing this 12 months ago? It never dies, does it? We waltz around with the polls and then the crooks come out and steal the election from Rinsed Peenis and his cabal of incompetent dorks.

Nothing personal, KMav, just that rancid “been there, got the t-shirt” feeling I get really depresses me.

The War Planner on October 14, 2013 at 6:32 PM

independents don’t matter. Mitt Romney won them

libfreeordie on October 14, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Mitt Romney also won the college graduate vote. That must still stick in your craw.

Del Dolemonte on October 14, 2013 at 6:16 PM

You can bully them with their grades but you can’t make think like you.

itsspideyman on October 14, 2013 at 6:35 PM

…support for President Obama and Obamacare has steadily continued to CLIMB since the shutdown and are now much more popular than they were a month ago!

JustTheFacts on October 11, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Sockpuppet Politic on October 14, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Just imagine how much the GOP approval rate would jump if the surrender caucus would let go of their ankles, stand up straight and give Obama the opportunity to cave on delaying/defunding Obamacare in order to avoid being the first president to ruin the full faith and credit of the United States of America. And he would. But sadly, he’ll never get the opportunity because the republican party is more invested in bailing him out.

xblade on October 14, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Socialists aren’t gonna vote for you if you surrender to the socialists. Neither will conservatives. If America wants more debt and socialism, they’ll get it no matter what they do so gut their marxist institutions and fund the essential stuff a piece at a time with equal cuts to pay for it.

Buddahpundit on October 14, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Did they measure intensity too? I get the feeling that most people don’t really care.

myiq2xu on October 14, 2013 at 6:45 PM

JustTheFacts on October 11, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Sockpuppet Politic on October 14, 2013 at 6:37 PM

even after its wonderful debut too. if you really think 12 months from now that will hold be my guest. when 70% liked their healthcare pre-obamacare…..and most don’t even know yet what its doing to them. but they will. and the no-infos (i.e. most of the dem base) wont know until they get their taxbill for 2014 which wont be til sometime in early 2015.

t8stlikchkn on October 14, 2013 at 6:47 PM

well we’re down so low we got nothing to lose. let it burn and clean out the vermin.

gracie on October 14, 2013 at 6:03 PM

That’s the tea party approach now? The house is on fire, so let’s add fuel? Jesus. Lunatics. Tea party = Code Pink of the right.

NoStoppingUs on October 14, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Seriously, why should we care?

BKeyser on October 14, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Weird the threads the deviant joins.

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 14, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Wait until Americans find out about this while they search for a way to pay for their VERY COSTLY new Obamacare insurance:

Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal

All f*cking pigs are equal, but some f*cking pigs are more equal than others.

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2013/10/pic-of-day-some-animals-are-more-equal.html

Resist We Much on October 14, 2013 at 7:49 PM

That’s the tea party approach now? The house is on fire, so let’s add fuel? Jesus. Lunatics. Tea party = Code Pink of the right.

NoStoppingUs on October 14, 2013 at 7:13 PM

What would the Founders do? I mean apart from fixing bayotes. Since they built in a constitutional safeguard whereby all bodies need to agree on spending a nickel but one body could end the spending completely, I think they would have expected the safeguard to take effect long before now.

Do you think the Republican Party can exist as alternative central planning managers to the central planners who dreamed up the plans? The only purpose for Republicans at this point is to eradicate government control.

Buddahpundit on October 14, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Right is right, it doesn’t matter what the poles say.

If you are doing the right thing, making the right choices, than it the result will show as being the right decision.

Let Obama do what he thinks is right, and let us do what we think is right, and let’s see what happens.

It seems Obama’s “right” way so far has brought us record unemployment, record jobs lost, record debt burden, record bail outs, just about every negative economic record has been broken, with the exception of Wall Street.

right2bright on October 14, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Whatever. Let. It. Burn.

jawkneemusic on October 14, 2013 at 7:52 PM

t8stlikchkn on October 14, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Think we have a minor misunderstanding — I do not agree with the post I quoted, and did not believe it when it was first posted. I knew and know that the amount of discontent with Obama and the ACA can’t allow for approval numbers to go up for either. I was being sarcastic toward the poster.

Consider it a failed attempt at being Bmore.

Sockpuppet Politic on October 14, 2013 at 7:53 PM

independents don’t matter. Mitt Romney won them

libfreeordie on October 14, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Mitt Romney also won the college graduate vote. That must still stick in your craw.

Del Dolemonte on October 14, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Obama didn’t win the middle class either…in 2008 or 2012.

Resist We Much on October 14, 2013 at 7:53 PM

all this means nothing. I also disapprove of how the Republicans are handling things but that doesn’t mean I approve of anyone else.

pecan pie on October 14, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Exactly. A meaningful poll would ask how you feel about X or X Party, and then ask if you approve of anyone. Which we don’t, and which is the only position which makes any sense at all, given that the GOP and DemonRat vermin have run up $17 trillion in collective debt in the past 40 years, with promises to run up another $100 trillion.

Anyone who approves of the GOP establishment or the DemonRats with that record is clinically insane.

Jaibones on October 14, 2013 at 7:54 PM

The TEAT Party = The serfs and their feudal lords.

Resist We Much on October 14, 2013 at 7:54 PM

NoStoppingUs on October 14, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Hummm, is this a new one?

Barred on October 14, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Hummm, is this a new one?

Barred on October 14, 2013 at 7:57 PM

My guess: One of our resident trolls posting under another nic.

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 14, 2013 at 8:00 PM

With numbers this low Republicans have nothing to use.

Take Obama down. So what if you don’t get re-elected? Just take him down with you.

YOu have nothing to lose, you get your pensions… and save us.

Let that be enough.

petunia on October 14, 2013 at 8:03 PM

The TEAT Party = The serfs and their feudal lords.

Resist We Much on October 14, 2013 at 7:54 PM

This new meme from the totalitarians is a blatant theft of the truth!!!!

Give me liberty or give me death!!!

That’s for you who would be my master. You totalitarians are creating a feudal society and we. will. not. bow. to. you!

I will die before I bow to you!!! I will never be your serf.

petunia on October 14, 2013 at 8:06 PM

when they do these polls, they should inquire if the person knows what the debt ceiling is. if they don’t, don’t poll them. You wouldn’t ask whether someone likes a movie if they haven’t seen it.

rik on October 14, 2013 at 8:15 PM

That’s the tea party approach now? The house is on fire, so let’s add fuel? Jesus. Lunatics. Tea party = Code Pink of the right.

NoStoppingUs on October 14, 2013 at 7:13 PM

.
Hummm, is this a new one?

Barred on October 14, 2013 at 7:57 PM


We need to allow for a new species; the RINO-troll

Funded by the “Business Groups/Karl Rove Master Class” and targeted with slamming the TEA Party Congresspersons at every opportunity.

PolAgnostic on October 14, 2013 at 8:20 PM

forget obama’s bad numbers, lets just focus solely on the gop
-lsm

pathetic

cmsinaz on October 14, 2013 at 8:26 PM

The main difference between the approval ratings of the parties in Congress is that a majority of Democrat voters still support what the congressional Dems are doing (61-36) while Republican voters are split on what the congressional Republicans are doing (49-47).

This could be a split between all-in Tea Partiers thinking that congressional Republicans aren’t doing enough, and moderate Republican voters who may think they’ve gone too far.

Some of us here criticize Republicans in Congress for “not listening to their base”, but what should they do if their base is divided?

Still, the whole reason for the shutdown was to delay the individual mandate on Obamacare. As more horror stories come out about premiums and deductibles doubling and tripling, and people unable to sign up for Obamacare, people will turn against Obamacare more and more. Maybe the best strategy is to agree to fund the government for 6 months, then let the Democrats own Obamacare.

Steve Z on October 14, 2013 at 8:38 PM

It’s all of them… the elites of both parties.

MT on October 14, 2013 at 10:12 PM

… and the media elites, of course.

MT on October 14, 2013 at 10:12 PM

for Obama yes but not for the GOP
The American people stopped believing the media a long time ago.
Well Americans with brains that is…

Delsa on October 15, 2013 at 1:15 AM