NFL Week 6 open thread

posted at 12:31 pm on October 13, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The Pittsburgh Steelers return to action today after a much-needed bye week, in which head coach Mike Tomlin banned games from the facilities of the 0-4 team until they win a game.  They go back on the road to play the 3-2 New York Jets, who are undefeated at home.  Can they finally break out and get their first win? Surprisingly, the line has the Jets only by a point, so I’ll take the upset and pick the Steelers in a 20-14 win. Jazz Shaw will no doubt feel differently, but I won’t be home for this one (family obligations), so I’ll know how we’re doing by following Jazz’ Twitter feed.  If it gets ugly for the Steelers, I’m pretty sure my timeline will start filling up with Jazz’ taunts … and perhaps a few of your own, too.

Last week, I went 4-3, which still leaves me under .500 at 15-18. Let’s see whether I can make up more ground this week (all times Eastern):

  • Packers at Ravens (1 pm, Fox) – The Pack hasn’t won on the road and the Ravens haven’t lost at home, but the line has the Packers by three.  On paper, Green Bay has a far better team, with its passing and rushing offense and rushing defense in the top 5, but a suspect secondary.  Since we need some Baltimore losses to get the Great Steeler Comeback in motion, I’ll take Green Bay at 27-21, but I’m pretty skeptical on this choice.
  • Panthers at Vikings (1 pm, Fox) – I’m only bothering to pick this game because I live here.  Adrian Peterson will play today despite his personal tragedy*, and AP will give the Panthers’ 7th-ranked rushing defense a big test.  Since the Vikes will give the ball to Matt Cassel rather than Christian Ponder, I’ll go with the Vikes at home, 24-14.
  • Saints at Patriots (4:25 pm, Fox) – The Saints are one of three undefeated teams playing this week, but the only one at risk of losing their first game. (Denver hosts the winless Jaguars, and Kansas City hosts 2-3 Oakland.)  New Orleans is coming off three strong wins in a row, and the Patriots look more ordinary than their 4-1 record. New England is favored by three, but I think the Saints extend their streak with a 33-28 win on the road.
  • Titans at Seahawks (4 pm, CBS) - This should be a better game than the line indicates (Seattle +14), but the Seahawks should win at home regardless. Seahawks 31-24 over Titans.
  • Barrycaders at Cowboys (8:30 pm, NBC) – Washington is in the middle of shutdown, and then there’s that whole mess with Congress, too.  Maybe the shutdown should sideline the Barrycaders, who are off to a 1-3 start, and now have to take on a Dallas team that very nearly shocked Peyton Manning and the Broncos last week.  Dallas is 2-3, but they’re 2-1 at home with the Broncos their only loss in Big D.  RGIII might have a shot against the worst-ranked passing defense in the league, but Washington’s road win against Oakland last week won’t be the start of a streak.  Cowboys over the Barrycaders (just like in Washington!), 35-27.
  • Colts at Chargers (MNF 8:30 pm, ESPN) – ESPN lists the line as SD+3, but the Colts are 2-0 on the road and the Chargers are only 1-1 at home.  Indy’s beat both the 49ers on the road and Seattle at home, while San Diego hasn’t even played a team that’s at .500 or above now.  Colts over the Chargers in a close 27-24 win, maybe in OT.

* – Sadly, Adrian Peterson’s son died this week, allegedly the victim of a physical attack by his mother’s boyfriend.  The two-year-old child, his parents, and all their family and friends will be in our prayers.

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It’ll be all Peterson all day, about how heroic he is to go on after losing a son he never even bothered to meet till after he was assaulted.

lowandslow on October 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Barrycaders at Cowboys (8:30 pm, NBC)

Cowboys vs Indians. The most un-PC match this season. May the Redskins never change their name.

nobar on October 13, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Not picking the Jax-Denver game, Ed?

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Back in 2007 there was a game between the Patriots and the Iggles where the Pats were favored by a point spread almost as large as the one today favoring Denver. The Pats only ended up winning by 3 points.

Speaking of the Pats, they’re not as good as their record. I’ve no doubt that Coach does have a game plan of some sort to try and contain Saints Tower of Power Jimmy Graham, but does he have the horses? I don’t think so.

Del Dolemonte on October 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Is that the number of points the Broncos have put up on the Jags, or is that the national debt clock?

JimLennon on October 13, 2013 at 12:39 PM

It’d be hilarious if the Jags won today. However, I wouldn’t bet on it.

joekenha on October 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM

more bread and circuses.

renalin on October 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Go Pack!!!

Bmore on October 13, 2013 at 12:53 PM

It’d be hilarious if the Jags won today. However, I wouldn’t bet on it.

joekenha on October 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM

You don’t have to bet on them to win, all you have to do is bet on them to lose by no more than 4 touchdowns. ;-)

JimLennon on October 13, 2013 at 12:55 PM

It’ll be all Peterson all day, about how heroic he is to go on after losing a son he never even bothered to meet till after he was assaulted.

lowandslow on October 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

For what it’s worth, Peterson apparently had learned only a few week’s ago that he was the child’s father after a DNA test showed that the boyfriend, now alleged killer, was not the father. Even if that’s BS, losing a child, whether you knew him or not, is still tough.

But, you’re right, the sports media will lionize him to no end today, as if he were the second coming.

TXUS on October 13, 2013 at 12:56 PM

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Bmore on October 13, 2013 at 12:59 PM

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Bmore on October 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM

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Bmore on October 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM

O ver.

Bmore on October 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Repeat after me (I’m looking at YOU, Del):

GEAUX, SAINTS!

Christien on October 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM

It’ll be all Peterson all day, about how heroic he is to go on after losing a son he never even bothered to meet till after he was assaulted.

lowandslow on October 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

I’m assuming you’ve never met either one of them.

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That being said…C’mon Jetties!

I’m not even going to make any wild guesses on this game. I do think Winslow will be missed tho. As the ol’ tune goes, “whatever will be, will be…”

JetBoy on October 13, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Shock! Ed picks the Steelers!LOL

gerrym51 on October 13, 2013 at 1:06 PM

And you didn’t mention the Browns-Lions matchup at 1? Shame.

Myron Falwell on October 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Not picking the Jax-Denver game, Ed?

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Del Dolemonte on October 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Jags are gonna be hurtin’…

JetBoy on October 13, 2013 at 1:08 PM

…I think the Lions are play a racist team in Cleveland…they call themselves …the “Browns”!

KOOLAID2 on October 13, 2013 at 1:09 PM

playing?

KOOLAID2 on October 13, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Shock! Ed picks the Steelers!LOL

gerrym51 on October 13, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Knock-knock.

Myron Falwell on October 13, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Any truth to the rumor that Tomlin banned games in the locker room because the players all somehow managed to lose even if they played each other?

JeremiahJohnson on October 13, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Barrycaders at Cowboys (8:30 pm, NBC)

Thanks for that, Ed.

I don’t why I didn’t realize there was a protest today, otherwise I would’ve gone down there.

That, and yesterday we celebrated our 21st anniversary. Lately, that’s Paul Harvey territory.

BobMbx on October 13, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Bmore on October 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM

lol wrong thread!

Who cares about a bunch of puffed up guys wearing shiny capris playing grabass for 10 seconds at a time over three hours? Football? Only two dudes use their feet on the ball.

Murphy9 on October 13, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Is anyone reading the stuff at Twitchy? Seems like the Vets have moved the barricades and stacked them up in front of the White House. Also, clean up of National Mall and Pearl Harbor by the citizens. Very moving.

Cindy Munford on October 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM

TXUS on October 13, 2013 at 12:56 PM

I just heard that the first time he had seen the child was while he was on life support. What a heartbreaker! There are monsters among us.

Cindy Munford on October 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM

First, great news everyone! The Bears and Giants played last Thursday, so none of you will be subjected to watching them play today.

Also, the NFL is run by a bunch of butt-hurt liberal pansies, and they should be horse whipped for this hot pink mess they have subjected football fans to. As for the macho 280 pound athletes who are prancing around America’s stadiums wearing pink shoes and gloves … you are pathetic losers.

Jaibones on October 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Is anyone reading the stuff at Twitchy? Seems like the Vets have moved the barricades and stacked them up in front of the White House. Also, clean up of National Mall and Pearl Harbor by the citizens. Very moving.

Cindy Munford on October 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM

A w e s o m e!

Murphy9 on October 13, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Repeat after me (I’m looking at YOU, Del):

GEAUX, SAINTS!

Christien on October 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM

I’ll be rooting for the Who Dats in the first half and the Patriots in the second half. That’s my SOP for whenever my 2 favorite teams meet each other.

25 years ago I actually got to witness a Saints-Patriots game in person at the old dump in Foxboro-the only reason I went at all was because a journalist I know gave me a sideline photographer pass. That was in the Raymond Berry days, a few years after they went to the Super Bowl and got killed by Da Bearz. The Saints mauled the Patriots that day and the drunken crowd got extremely ugly. By the end of the third quarter they were actually throwing stuff at us folks on the sidelines!

Del Dolemonte on October 13, 2013 at 1:28 PM

lowandslow on October 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Too bad that Peterson’s ‘baby mama’ is going ‘o-fer’:

The 2 year old child’s father first sees him in ICU, and the BF is a murderer. As the Indiana Jones line goes: She chose poorly.

Regarding A.P. (the NFL MVP) I suspect the death of the infant is a mere speck in his consciousness — as it was before the tragic event.

socalcon on October 13, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Also, the NFL is run by a bunch of butt-hurt liberal pansies, and they should be horse whipped for this hot pink mess they have subjected football fans to. As for the macho 280 pound athletes who are prancing around America’s stadiums wearing pink shoes and gloves … you are pathetic losers.

Jaibones on October 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Yeah, I agree. If the NFL wants to support breast cancer awareness, they need to consider their audience, 99% of whom would feel uncomfortable wearing a pink….anything.

If you want to get the guys interested in boobs, show them boobs. At halftime, just use the jumbo-trons to show 30 mins of bigguns.

Thats how you do it.

BobMbx on October 13, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Only two dudes use their feet on the ball.

Murphy9 on October 13, 2013 at 1:21 PM

They’d be the 1880′s definition of ‘dudes’, too.

1: a man extremely fastidious in dress and manner : dandy

socalcon on October 13, 2013 at 1:35 PM

The vets and supporters including Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and Sarah Palin are marching on the White House right now, piling up the barrycades they seized at Lincoln and WWI Memorials at the front gates. Nothing on Hot Air?

rrpjr on October 13, 2013 at 1:40 PM

The vets and supporters including Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and Sarah Palin are marching on the White House right now, piling up the barrycades they seized at Lincoln and WWI Memorials at the front gates. Nothing on Hot Air?

rrpjr on October 13, 2013 at 1:40 PM

We’ve been talking and linking about it all morning, so far only a headline thread…football!!!Columbus!!

MontanaMmmm on October 13, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Barrycaders. Love it.

John the Libertarian on October 13, 2013 at 1:45 PM

I’m picking the Jets over the Steelers;
The Patriots and Brady will pull it out over the Saints;
The Panthers will knock off the Vikings;
The Ravens will win at home over the Packers.

TarheelBen on October 13, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Del Dolemonte on October 13, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Good times! But you must root for the Saints in the 2nd half…too.

Christien on October 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM

1: a man extremely fastidious in dress and manner : dandy

socalcon on October 13, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Riiigggghhhht.

Jaibones on October 13, 2013 at 2:14 PM

The NFL is disgusting and has become another politically correct, authoritarian-shilling institutional tumor on the body politic of America. Just thought I’d offer that.

rrpjr on October 13, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Del Dolemonte on October 13, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Good times! But you must root for the Saints in the 2nd half…too.

Christien on October 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Unless the Patriots massively step up their game today, I probably won’t even need to cheer for the Saints in the second half. By that time the Who-Dats could already be up by 3 scores!

That late 80′s game I was at had some wild moments-it was early November and it was cold and very windy that day and right after the first quarter started the entire stadium had a blackout. They kept playing the game anyway until the juice came back on about 20 minutes later.

And later in the game (when things were getting real ugly for the Pats) I was taking a knee on the sidelines (so the drunks in the stands wouldn’t throw things at me) and noticed an extremely fancy pair of alligator shoes on the ground to my right. I looked up to see who the owner was, and it was none other that (at the time) team owner Victor “Remington” Kiam. He just glowered at me.

Del Dolemonte on October 13, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Ed, you picked Jets vs. Steelers as the photo for this game? We know you’re a Steelers fan, but c’mon, Brees and Brady are squaring off today.

Anyone here play Fantasy Football?

Lawdawg86 on October 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Yesterday’s college upsets: #5 Stanford, #7 Georgia, #12 Oklahoma #18 Michigan, #19 Northwestern

#’s 1,2,3 Bama, Oregon, and Clemson all won handily, while #4 Ohio St. was idle.

Since Seattle will probably defeat the Titans, the Niners will have to take care of business today against the Cards who are also 3-2.

Go Niners!

Rovin on October 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM

The NFL is disgusting and has become another politically correct, authoritarian-shilling institutional tumor on the body politic of America. Just thought I’d offer that.

rrpjr on October 13, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Commie.

JetBoy on October 13, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Matt Schaub hasn’t thrown an INT, (yet), but the Rams are killin’ the Texans right now 31-6. Ouch!

Rovin on October 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Yesterday’s college upsets: #5 Stanford, #7 Georgia, #12 Oklahoma #18 Michigan, #19 Northwestern

#’s 1,2,3 Bama, Oregon, and Clemson all won handily, while #4 Ohio St. was idle.

Rovin on October 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM

My Terps are 5-1 not too shabby!

Beat UVA yesterday by 1.

JetBoy on October 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM

LOL - Ed’s afraid to say Redskins, the “R-word”. I’d scalp ya buddy, if you had any hair!

abobo on October 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM

OY Vikings OY

Guess we’ll try Freeman next week – he can’t do any worse.

gophergirl on October 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Whew! The walking wounded Packers hold on.

stukinIL4now on October 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Lions go 4 and 2… *whew*

Next up, the Saints get spanked.

Ugly on October 13, 2013 at 4:25 PM

The steelers picked obama and obamacare, Adrian Peterson picked football over a life. A sad state of affairs indeed.

crosshugger on October 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM

The steelers picked obama and obamacare, Adrian Peterson picked football over a life. A sad state of affairs indeed.

crosshugger on October 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Yeah, I thought it was odd Peterson played, too. His business, of course, but still.

changer1701 on October 13, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Pack beat those stinking raven birds!!!

Bmore on October 13, 2013 at 5:09 PM

ED WON!

happy days are here again!

gerrym51 on October 13, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Lions go 4 and 2… *whew*

Next up, the Saints get spanked.

Ugly on October 13, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Tie game with 6 minutes to go in the 3rd. New Orleans just came back from a 17-3 halftime deficit to make it interesting.

Del Dolemonte on October 13, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Now that was a 49er drive!

Rovin on October 13, 2013 at 7:24 PM

…Pittsburg won!…you think Ed has any hair left?

KOOLAID2 on October 13, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Holy smokes – now that was a drive. Brady is damn good.

gophergirl on October 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Holy smokes – now that was a drive. Brady is damn good.

gophergirl on October 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM

….what an end!

KOOLAID2 on October 13, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Holy smokes – now that was a drive. Brady is damn good.

gophergirl on October 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Still trying to get my jaw to close. Unreal!

Ugly on October 13, 2013 at 7:41 PM

.what an end!

KOOLAID2 on October 13, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Between that and the Penn State/Michigan game – some dang good football

gophergirl on October 13, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Del Dolemonte on October 13, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Not sure if that win qualifies as a spanking, but the Saints sure didn’t see it coming ;)

Ugly on October 13, 2013 at 7:44 PM

GG, Pats. Down to the last play.

Christien on October 13, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Penn State/Michigan game – some dang good football

gophergirl on October 13, 2013 at 7:42 PM

In 4th overtime!!! Great game, though I was rooting for the Wolverines

Ugly on October 13, 2013 at 7:46 PM

The referees in the Saints/Patriots game should be charged with mugging because they stole that game and gave it to New England. It was really, really bad.

Theophile on October 13, 2013 at 8:01 PM

The referees in the Saints/Patriots game should be charged with mugging because they stole that game and gave it to New England. It was really, really bad.

I’m calling the “whambulance” for you y’all.

EA_MAN on October 13, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Theophile,

Lots of non-Saints fans are calling out the refs for doing a terrible job as well, so it looks like a lot of people agree with you, too.

Christien on October 13, 2013 at 8:55 PM

So I get back from work, tv is on with some douche whining about the Redskins and hurtful words and hurt feelings. And then theres the mandatory pink flair that every player has to wear. What a lame, sissy country.

Daikokuco on October 13, 2013 at 10:10 PM

I will from now on change the channel during half time for Sunday night football.
Why on earth are they allowing that moron Costas to run his libtard mouth? (rhetorical question – it’s NBC)

dentarthurdent on October 13, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Why am I supposed to care what Bob Costas thinks about anything?

Galtian on October 14, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Theophile,

Lots of non-Saints fans are calling out the refs for doing a terrible job as well, so it looks like a lot of people agree with you, too.

Christien on October 13, 2013 at 8:55 PM

It is very, very true. Just one of their mistakes: they missed Brees calling a time out which led into a bad play during which he threw an interception (his only one of the game). Had the referees seen the obviously called time out, the interception would not have happened. The Patriots then used their field position to score a field goal, which was the exact difference in the score of the game – three points.

Theophile on October 14, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Theophile,

Lots of non-Saints fans are calling out the refs for doing a terrible job as well, so it looks like a lot of people agree with you, too.

Christien on October 13, 2013 at 8:55 PM

It is very, very true. Just one of their mistakes: they missed Brees calling a time out which led into a bad play during which he threw an interception (his only one of the game). Had the referees seen the obviously called time out, the interception would not have happened. The Patriots then used their field position to score a field goal, which was the exact difference in the score of the game – three points.

Theophile on October 14, 2013 at 1:12 AM

That’s the one I did see-the ref closest to Brees was looking the other way. Definitely a blown call. I didn’t see any of the others, sad to say. NFL Network will be replaying the game Wednesday night at 9 PM if anyone is interested (of course it will be going head to head with Red Sox-Tigers Game 4).

Saints fans shouldn’t panic-this was a non-conference game, and none of the Saints’ closest competitors in the NFC gained any significant ground on them (the Saints still lead with 4 wins against NFC teams; several in other divisions have 3). As Peter King of Sports Illustrated said today, the Saints are a shoo-in for the NFC Championship game. It’s just a matter of who will face them.

And since it was a non-conference game, it really wasn’t that much of a big-deal win for the Patriots; they are 2-1 in the AFC now and are a game behind 4 other teams with better conference records.

Del Dolemonte on October 14, 2013 at 7:48 PM

That’s the one I did see-the ref closest to Brees was looking the other way. Definitely a blown call. I didn’t see any of the others, sad to say. NFL Network will be replaying the game Wednesday night at 9 PM if anyone is interested (of course it will be going head to head with Red Sox-Tigers Game 4).

Saints fans shouldn’t panic-this was a non-conference game, and none of the Saints’ closest competitors in the NFC gained any significant ground on them (the Saints still lead with 4 wins against NFC teams; several in other divisions have 3). As Peter King of Sports Illustrated said today, the Saints are a shoo-in for the NFC Championship game. It’s just a matter of who will face them.

And since it was a non-conference game, it really wasn’t that much of a big-deal win for the Patriots; they are 2-1 in the AFC now and are a game behind 4 other teams with better conference records.

Del Dolemonte on October 14, 2013 at 7:48 PM

You are correct on all of the numbers. It just sucks losing not to the other team, but to bad referees. It is really hard playing against two opposing teams on the field, the one made up of the other players and the one made up of the refs.

I was reading some articles about it and there was also a massive holding call on the final touchdown against the Patriots which was not called against them. I was too busy screaming “NOOOOOO!” to see it.

It just sucks having an unbeaten record beaten by such a farce, such a debacle, such an Obamacare level of ineptitude on the part of the refs.

Theophile on October 15, 2013 at 2:23 AM