Report: House GOP told Obama they’d end shutdown next week if he agreed to their debt-ceiling proposal; Update: Offer to end shutdown made?

posted at 11:21 am on October 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

This makes two separate reports from major media outlets about yesterday’s powwow at the White House that suggest the GOP’s dropping its ObamaCare demands. The NYT claimed that, in return for raising the debt ceiling for six weeks, Republicans “sought the president’s commitment to negotiate a deal for long-term deficit reduction and a tax overhaul.” Deficit reduction, not ObamaCare. Now Politico’s claiming that they actually offered to end the shutdown next week, at least for awhile, if O played ball with them on the debt ceiling. Remember — the whole reason tea-party groups like Heritage Action were okay with a short-term debt-ceiling hike is because, in theory, it cleared the way to re-focus on stopping ObamaCare by digging in on the shutdown. Instead, evidently, Republicans are ready to end the shutdown for a month or more in order to initiate broader negotiations with the White House. Which means that, contra tea partiers’ wishes, discussions over the shutdown and the debt ceiling will end up being “merged” after all. Which in turn means defunding/delaying ObamaCare, if it’s not off the table already, is likely headed for the shelf as the parties focus on deficit reduction instead.

House Republicans told Obama at the White House that they could reopen the federal government by early next week if the president and Senate Democrats agree to their debt-ceiling proposal. After the debt ceiling is lifted, a House GOP aide said they would seek some additional concessions in a government funding bill.

Obama repeatedly pressed House Republicans to open the government, asking them “what’s it going to take to” end the shutdown, those sources said. He questioned why the government should remain closed if both sides agreed to engage in good-faith negotiations on the budget, according to a Democratic source briefed on the meeting…

Obama agreed to review the House Republican proposal for reopening the government, but reiterated that he wouldn’t pay a ransom, the Democratic source said.

The “additional concessions” the GOP’s asking for to re-open government obviously won’t involve any major revisions to ObamaCare. Otherwise, we’re back where we started on all this and there wouldn’t be whispers on both sides about a “breakthrough” or “encouraging” discussions, etc. Maybe Obama would agree to repealing the medical-device tax, which Democrats also dislike, purely to let Boehner save a tiny bit of face. But that’s likely to be the extent of it. In fact, also per Politico, the Senate GOP appears to be preparing its own offer that would raise the debt ceiling and end the shutdown — for a year, not six weeks like the House bill — in return for freezing spending at sequestration levels plus “a repeal of Obamacare’s medical device tax, changes to the Independent Payment Advisory Board and income means testing for Obamacare subsidies.” Again, nothing about delaying or defunding O-Care. The consolation prize for caving is, I guess, the “changes” to IPAB that they’re hoping for, as being able to say that they dented ObamaCare’s “death panels” might theoretically help them with angry tea partiers. But I don’t know — I can imagine that backfiring via the logic that, by merely changing IPAB instead of demanding its repeal, the GOP’s tacitly endorsed it. They’ve become reluctant stewards of the new health-care paradigm, just like the Tories.

Anyhow. If you were hoping against hope for some real action on O-Care, I think Jon Karl’s right. This looks like a cave:

Republicans made it clear Thursday night that they need something in exchange for agreeing to end the shutdown. The president told them that he could, in principle, offer only something that he would normally offer through the course of regular budget negotiations; in other words, nothing on Obamacare, no major spending concessions…

The bottom line: Republicans are working out the terms of their surrender and are attempting to get something for a standoff that has divided the party and cost dearly in the polls. On substance, it is Republicans who are giving in, although the president is now doing something he said he would not do: negotiate while the government is shutdown and there is a threat of default.

I’m watching tweets flow in from this morning’s Values Voter Summit and apparently neither Rand Paul nor Marco Rubio, both of whom backed the “defund” strategy, mentioned ObamaCare or the shutdown fight in their speeches. (In fact, Rubio conspicuously omitted the subject from his Senate floor speech yesterday.) You can dismiss that as a non sequitur if you like — “why mention health care at an event about social policy?” — but if the GOP was winning big from the past two weeks and prepared to fight to the bitter end on defunding, rest assured that every speaker at the summit would be taking a victory lap this morning.

There is, I guess, a chance that Boehner and the House GOP are only shelving O-Care defunding temporarily, to get negotiations going, and that they’ll bring it back once the next fiscal deadline approaches in November. But c’mon: Given the polling and the fact that most of them really don’t want to have this fight, who believes they’ll have the stomachs to do that? Once the government’s open again, it’s open for good. Exit question: Assuming Obama gives Boehner some token concession next week to re-open the government, he’ll almost certainly need Democratic votes to pass this thing, no? NRO reported last night that there are roughly 150 Republicans who’ve signed on to Ryan’s strategy to turn this into a negotiation over deficit reduction, not ObamaCare, so Boehner might be able to pull this off without violating the Hastert Rule. But that still leaves him with a divided caucus, some of whom are likely to be angry that the quixotic “defund” project was abandoned. Where does that leave him and the House GOP going forward?

Update: Just breaking from AP with no details yet: “House GOP offers debt limit hike, end to shutdown in package with spending cuts.” Again, ending the shutdown (as opposed to the debt ceiling) was never part of the conservative strategy on this. The point of raising the debt ceiling for six weeks was so that Republicans wouldn’t feel pressured to end the shutdown. But here we are.


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Primary every single stinking one of the bastards and toss them out.

northdallasthirty on October 11, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Deficit reduction, not ObamaCare.

It’s a commitment to the process, not a change in policy. We’ve been down this road before.

No deal.

blammm on October 11, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Spelunkers.

portlandon on October 11, 2013 at 11:26 AM

In fact, also per Politico, the Senate GOP appears to be preparing its own offer that would raise the debt ceiling and end the shutdown — for a year, not six weeks like the House bill — in return for freezing spending at sequestration levels plus “a repeal of Obamacare’s medical device tax, changes to the Independent Payment Advisory Board and income means testing for Obamacare subsidies.

Which is already in the f’n law and not being followed.

Useless. Utterly useless. I have never been happier that I changed my registration. The RINO Party needs to just die.

northdallasthirty on October 11, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Report: House GOP told Obama they’d end shutdown next week if he agreed to their debt-ceiling proposal

Vichy Republican leadership looking to stab the base in the back, once again, while carrying out their favorite activity – surrender to the America-haters and morons.

I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that the Vichy Republicans are filing false reports with the IRS about those dreaded Tea Party groups and individuals …

I only hope that the GOP is finally successful with its determined suicide attempt. It’s about friggin time.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 11, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Obama repeatedly pressed House Republicans to open the government, asking them “what’s it going to take to” end the shutdown, those sources said. He questioned why the government should remain closed if both sides agreed to engage in good-faith negotiations on the budget, according to a Democratic source briefed on the meeting

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Good one, Barry, good one!!!

Bitter Clinger on October 11, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Consider the sources…

d1carter on October 11, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Dang. I thought they’d capitulate for practically nothing and all — I didn’t think that they’d capitulate for literally nothing. (An audience with His Majesty isn’t a thing is it?)

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2013 at 11:29 AM

“Surrender”

It’s what’s for breakfast at the GOP’s house.

Bitter Clinger on October 11, 2013 at 11:30 AM

How many people in that NBC poll Allah?

DanMan on October 11, 2013 at 11:30 AM

But c’mon: Given the polling…

About that NBC/WSJ Poll that Killed Republicans on the Shutdown…

I know leftist media is trumpeting this poll 24/7, but when the sample consists of 20% government workers it’s safe to ignore the results.

NotCoach on October 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Big, big mistake.

These policies can’t be fixed. Republicans should not try, and should fight any attempt by Democrats to “fix” their horrible laws. Especially, the GOP should not give in to their worst impulses and repeal the medical device tax.

Instead, the GOP should merely insist that the law applies equally to all. Also, the President should enforce the laws equally across the board, and cease discretionary enforcement. No “waivers”, of anything.

The voters wanted Democrat policies. Give them what they wanted. In fact, shove it down their throats with no mercy. No “fixes”.

MTF on October 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM

If Boehner caves, it will cost him his speakership. Period.

petefrt on October 11, 2013 at 11:32 AM

is likely headed for the shelf as the parties focus on deficit reduction instead.

Get real spending cuts. Let the Democrats choke on Obamacare.

blink on October 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM

We’re going to get more of the miniscule, mostly fake spending cuts that we got in 2011: http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/04/17/profiles-in-ineptitude-a-timeline-of-the-boehner-debacle/

Doomberg on October 11, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Republicans are token opposition that can be squeezed by the media’s narrative-building power with low-information voters. Nothing in this country changes until the “prestige press” loses its hold over American minds.

Punchenko on October 11, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Let the Democrats choke on Obamacare.

blink on October 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM

I am starting to think that is the best course of action right now. After reading more and more articles about Obamacare and all of the issues that keep piling up, it might be best to leave it alone for right now.

The latest is the deadline for signing up to avoid the penalty has been moved up six weeks. That’s on the front page of Fox right now. Obama administration moved the deadline by a month and a half and buried it in some obscure regs. Tax preparers found it looking for any new changes to tax laws for 2014.

Johnnyreb on October 11, 2013 at 11:34 AM

I loved how all the “experts” claimed that the debt-ceiling should be the hill to die on. Instead, it’s the hill to surrender on. What good does it do to use the debt-ceiling as a “red line” in negotiations if you’re gonna a gripe that hitting the debt-ceiling is “defaulting” and we just can’t let that happen?

Bitter Clinger on October 11, 2013 at 11:34 AM

If Boehner caves, it will cost him his speakership. Period.

petefrt on October 11, 2013 at 11:32 AM

It won’t. Most of his caucus backs him – elected conservatives are unfortunately a minority in Congress. Plus if we dump Boehner, we’ll just end up with Cantor or Ryan who will be no better.

I’m basically expecting a huge GOP wipeout in 2014 and 2016. If amnesty is passed, 2016 will likely be the GOP’s last election.

Doomberg on October 11, 2013 at 11:36 AM

I think the calculous here is that Obama and/or the congressional Ds are soon going to want to delay the individual mandate anyway as the O-care enrollment process continues to implode. But, when they come a callin’, the R’s should say hell no, you wanted this mess, you own it.

TXUS on October 11, 2013 at 11:37 AM

If Boehner caves, it will cost him his speakership. Period.

petefrt on October 11, 2013 at 11:32 AM

With Boehner Junior aka Cantor waiting in the wings.

Bishop on October 11, 2013 at 11:38 AM

I loved how all the “experts” claimed that the debt-ceiling should be the hill to die on. Instead, it’s the hill to surrender on.

Bitter Clinger on October 11, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Exactly. They lambast Cruz et al for pursuing the “sub-optimal” (to put it kindly) shutdown strategy – claiming that the debt ceiling move was the smart play – then they fall over themselves trying to surrender as quickly and easily as possible.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2013 at 11:39 AM

This is great? Because negotiating spending between Boener and 0bama has gone so well for republicans so well in the past?

Boener has never gotten anything from 0bama’s good faith negotiations on spending. Boener gets schooled every time.

0bama has a football for Boener to finally kick…. this one time.

elowe on October 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM

If Boehner caves, it will cost him his speakership. Period.

petefrt on October 11, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Yeah, let’s wait until congressional approval gets to 0%.

Then we’ll REALLY give Obama what for!

Good Lt on October 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Exit question: Assuming Obama gives Boehner some token concession next week to re-open the government, he’ll almost certainly need Democratic votes to pass this thing, no? NRO reported last night that there are roughly 150 Republicans who’ve signed on to Ryan’s strategy to turn this into a negotiation over deficit reduction, not ObamaCare, so Boehner might be able to pull this off without violating the Hastert Rule. But that still leaves him with a divided caucus, some of whom are likely to be angry that the quixotic “defund” project was abandoned. Where does that leave him and the House GOP going forward?

What token concession? The only thing I see El PRL still trying to get is back into K-Street relevancy with a trade on the medical device tax for new taxes on the “rich”, after they got frozen out of the employer mandate delay debacle. I don’t see Teh SCOAMT being stupid enough to let them win that because K Street has already started abandoning the Pubbies.

Steve Eggleston on October 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Brutal BRUTAL polls are taking their toll

libfreeordie on October 11, 2013 at 11:41 AM

I loved how all the “experts” claimed that the debt-ceiling should be the hill to die on. Instead, it’s the hill to surrender on.

Bitter Clinger on October 11, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Exactly. They lambast Cruz et al for pursuing the “sub-optimal” (to put it kindly) shutdown strategy – claiming that the debt ceiling move was the smart play – then they fall over themselves trying to surrender as quickly and easily as possible.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2013 at 11:39 AM

El PRL is mad that their plan to unconditionally surrender was exposed.

Steve Eggleston on October 11, 2013 at 11:42 AM

They should fully implement train-wreck Obamacare. Elections have consequences, and they also can be consequences.

RSbrewer on October 11, 2013 at 11:42 AM

I think I’m with blink. Let them choke on Obamacare.

The people voted for it,let them suffer the consequences.

p0s3r on October 11, 2013 at 11:42 AM

What gets me is all the talk to make reductions on entitlements like SS, Medicare, etc.(which I agree needs to be done), but won’t fight against the newest government entitlement of obamacare.

Barred on October 11, 2013 at 11:43 AM

How can the GOP poll #’s (real or establishment created) get any worse?

Stay the course, keep ‘er shut down.

mjbrooks3 on October 11, 2013 at 11:44 AM

I disagree – at this point I think that the best thing that can happen with Obamacare is to let it go forward. It will be a huge issue, in the Republicans’ favor, in 2014 and 2016.

exhelodrvr on October 11, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Brutal BRUTAL polls are taking their toll

libfreeordie on October 11, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Polls and trolls.

The HA Scourge.

Bitter Clinger on October 11, 2013 at 11:48 AM

If Boehner caves, it will cost him his speakership. Period.

petefrt on October 11, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Strangely (or perhaps not), Bo(eh)ner’s fine with that.

Steve Eggleston on October 11, 2013 at 11:49 AM

But that still leaves him with a divided caucus, some of whom are likely to be angry that the quixotic “defund” project was abandoned. Where does that leave him and the House GOP going forward?

Had Boehner tried to win a delay and succeeded, I think he could have passed it with his own caucus. As it is this is basically what I predicted when the shutdown started – the fight would be over whether Obama would magnanimously permit Boehner a thin fig leaf, followed by Boehner working with the Democrats to pass this thing.

The shutdown was always about breaking the House and Senate conservatives and hamstringing Cruz so he didn’t cause any problems by running against Jeb or Christie in 2016. This is why the Republicans have continued having Two Minutes Hate sessions directed at Cruz and other congressional conservatives – it’s to try to force them into voting for Boehner’s fig leaf.

At this point, the best we can hope for is that the conservative bloc doesn’t break and stays united against Boehner, forcing him to run to the Democrats for help.

Doomberg on October 11, 2013 at 11:49 AM

the GOP should merely insist that the law applies equally to all

Amen. Give these damned people all the Obamacare they voted for.

The CR was the wrong hill on which to fight. We’d have been stronger all along fighting over the debt ceiling.

matthew8787 on October 11, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Of course, no matter what they get Obama to agree to, it’s meaningless. He won’t follow the laws now that he had agreed to as a senator. Negotiating with a liar is as useless as trying to nail jello to the wall.

TXUS on October 11, 2013 at 11:50 AM

They should fully implement train-wreck Obamacare. Elections have consequences, and they also can be consequences.

RSbrewer on October 11, 2013 at 11:42 AM

That should happen but I can envision the GOP agreeing (or even offering) to help the Dems “fix” the pieces down the road.

Bitter Clinger on October 11, 2013 at 11:50 AM

The negotiation strategy where you give up all of your leverage before the talks even begin is the one of sure success.

Please do the needful GOP and just die already. You’re worthless.

Defenestratus on October 11, 2013 at 11:51 AM

About that NBC/WSJ Poll that Killed Republicans on the Shutdown…

I know leftist media is trumpeting this poll 24/7, but when the sample consists of 20% government workers it’s safe to ignore the results.

NotCoach on October 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM

.
The Hot Air editors have their marching orders. They will NOT be covering anything that calls into question the surrender to Obama.

The GOPe “Donor Class” has spoken – the GOPe media will obey.

PolAgnostic on October 11, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Brutal BRUTAL polls are taking their toll

libfreeordie on October 11, 2013 at 11:41 AM

100% of government workers agree. Would you like to participate in the following question and answer survey?

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

NotCoach on October 11, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Brutal BRUTAL polls are taking their toll

libfreeordie on October 11, 2013 at 11:41 AM

You mean the dog eaters 37%? I guess so.

chewmeister on October 11, 2013 at 11:52 AM

At this point, the best we can hope for is that the conservative bloc doesn’t break and stays united against Boehner, forcing him to run to the Democrats for help.

Doomberg on October 11, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Deja vu time – Strangely (or perhaps not), Bo(eh)ner’s fine with that. He never really wanted the gavel anyway.

Steve Eggleston on October 11, 2013 at 11:53 AM

This is the right strategy! Do it.

blink on October 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM

That’s the way to play this…put on a happy face.
Grey skies are gonna clear up…

verbaluce on October 11, 2013 at 11:53 AM

The negotiation strategy where you give up all of your leverage before the talks even begin is the one of sure success.

Please do the needful GOP and just die already. You’re worthless.

Defenestratus on October 11, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Isn’t that the truth.

“Hey, let’s use the debt-ceiling to extract what we want from the Dems but we can’t actually hit the debt-ceiling or calamity will happen.”
/GOP “Brain”trust

Bitter Clinger on October 11, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Let the Democrats choke on Obamacare.

blink on October 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Yes, every news cycle should be focused on this

faraway on October 11, 2013 at 11:54 AM

The CR was the wrong hill on which to fight. We’d have been stronger all along fighting over the debt ceiling.

matthew8787 on October 11, 2013 at 11:49 AM

You do realize that El PRL is unconditionally surrendering on both, right?

Steve Eggleston on October 11, 2013 at 11:54 AM

I don’t think Boehner grew a pair. My theory is party leadership feels they can join with Democrats during a shutdown and damage a common enemy, the TEA Party.

Wigglesworth on October 11, 2013 at 11:54 AM

ObamaCare is going to go into a death spiral on its own. It’s going to need more and more money…….all the Republicans need to do is starve it.

Hell, Pelosi won’t even acknowledge the program has major problems.

Seems she and King Barry have a massive amount of EGO invested in it and believe they’ll “fix” it by sheer will alone.

GarandFan on October 11, 2013 at 11:55 AM

If Boehner caves, it will cost him his speakership. Period.

petefrt on October 11, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Who cares? Seriously.

ElectricPhase on October 11, 2013 at 11:57 AM

If Boehner caves, it will cost him his speakership. Period.

petefrt on October 11, 2013 at 11:32 AM

The not so secret secret is that all these RINOs are in jeopardy next year whether they cave on not. I’m disgusted with the whole bunch of squishes and from what I’m hearing around me so are most folks.

Brutal BRUTAL polls are taking their toll

libfreeordie on October 11, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Would that be the 37% Obama approval poll, the 5% congressional poll for both Dems and Repubs or this one?

About that NBC/WSJ Poll that Killed Republicans on the Shutdown…

I know leftist media is trumpeting this poll 24/7, but when the sample consists of 20% government workers it’s safe to ignore the results.

NotCoach on October 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM

neyney on October 11, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Don’t forget these polls are sampling the general population. It isn’t registered or likely voters in a midterm election.

Wigglesworth on October 11, 2013 at 11:59 AM

What do we get from a medical device tax repeal? I know, we get to re-elect Al Franken:

http://www.franken.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=2498

bobs1196 on October 11, 2013 at 11:59 AM

About that NBC/WSJ Poll that Killed Republicans on the Shutdown…

I know leftist media is trumpeting this poll 24/7, but when the sample consists of 20% government workers it’s safe to ignore the results.

NotCoach on October 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Indeed.

WSJ should be embarrassed to be associated with such garbage.

petefrt on October 11, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Yesterday I was feeling pretty good that the Boehner and the House leadership was willing to extend the debt limit for 60 days while keeping the government shut down going to keep the pressure on Obama. Now I’m dismayed that they are actively seeking to open the government back up and let go of any leverage they have over the Dems. WTF? Fools!

mpthompson on October 11, 2013 at 12:01 PM

ObamaCare is going to go into a death spiral on its own. It’s going to need more and more money…….all the Republicans need to do is starve it.

Hell, Pelosi won’t even acknowledge the program has major problems.

Seems she and King Barry have a massive amount of EGO invested in it and believe they’ll “fix” it by sheer will alone.

GarandFan on October 11, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Yes, but if they can’t starve it to death now they won’t be able to starve it to death in the future when it is more established.

Wigglesworth on October 11, 2013 at 12:01 PM

I’m not worried about the outcome of this shutdown/debt ceiling fight.

Whatever happens, voters will know the GOP fought tooth-and-nail to stop the trainwreck that is Obamacare.

commodore on October 11, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Please do the needful GOP and just die already. You’re worthless.

Defenestratus on October 11, 2013 at 11:51 AM

There can only be one of two ends to the GOP: total dissolution or recovery through internal revolution.

Dysfunction at this advanced stage of self-loathing and fear can have no other outcome. Obviously, the GOP has no idea of any of this. Right now they’re focused on destroying the Tea Party. Naturally, for the Tea Party –which gave them their House majority — is an ulcerating reminder of their own weakness, failure and abandoned principles. It is much easier to co-exist with the Left in the current dysfunctional stasis than contend with the humiliating moral reproach represented by the Tea Party day after day, election cycle after election cycle.

rrpjr on October 11, 2013 at 12:02 PM

But c’mon: Given the polling…

About that NBC/WSJ Poll that Killed Republicans on the Shutdown…

I know leftist media is trumpeting this poll 24/7, but when the sample consists of 20% government workers it’s safe to ignore the results.

NotCoach on October 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Why isn’t Allah writing about this?

the_nile on October 11, 2013 at 12:05 PM

What is it with listening to polls? Regardless of whether they are an accurate reflection of the voting public or not.

I’ve taught my kids to do what they themselves believe is right. Not what the majority of dopes out there say they should do. Shouldn’t someone who has managed to become a congressman or senator have learned this lesson as well? Do what is right and let the chips fall where they may.

mpthompson on October 11, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I’ve got to say I’m beginning to detest these apple-shining, two-faced treacherous doofus coward losers like Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio more than the Left.

rrpjr on October 11, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Yesterday I was feeling pretty good that the Boehner and the House leadership was willing to extend the debt limit for 60 days while keeping the government shut down going to keep the pressure on Obama. Now I’m dismayed that they are actively seeking to open the government back up and let go of any leverage they have over the Dems. WTF? Fools!

mpthompson on October 11, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Yup , it was all kabuki.

“The GOP will betray you”

the_nile on October 11, 2013 at 12:08 PM

They should allow Obamacare to go into full effect…as it was PASSED by Congress, SIGNED INTO LAW by Obama, and UPHELD by the Supreme Court. No exemptions or waivers for ANYONE.

Americans reelected Obama. They should feel the full wrath of his ‘signature’ accomplishment.

As I wrote the Saturday before the shutdown started, ‘Don’t Shutdown The Government. Let’s Give ‘Em The Full Rostenkowski!’

Resist We Much on October 11, 2013 at 12:08 PM

I’m not worried about the outcome of this shutdown/debt ceiling fight.

Whatever happens, voters will know the GOP fought tooth-and-nail to stop the trainwreck that is Obamacare.

commodore on October 11, 2013 at 12:01 PM

“Tooth-and-nail”?

Really?

There about to surrender without doing a damn thing to stop/slow anything about it. It’s a trainwreck that the GOP will more than likely offer to “fix” at the edges down the road.

Bitter Clinger on October 11, 2013 at 12:12 PM

They should allow Obamacare to go into full effect…as it was PASSED by Congress, SIGNED INTO LAW by Obama, and UPHELD by the Supreme Court. No exemptions or waivers for ANYONE.

Americans reelected Obama. They should feel the full wrath of his ‘signature’ accomplishment.

As I wrote the Saturday before the shutdown started, ‘Don’t Shutdown The Government. Let’s Give ‘Em The Full Rostenkowski!’

Resist We Much on October 11, 2013 at 12:08 PM

That would have been a smart demand , everyone gets a waiver or no one.

the_nile on October 11, 2013 at 12:12 PM

U.S. Goverment Reservation Clerks all dressed up in store bought feathers and tinkets danceing the two party evil money cult dance to the drums of the re-election money gouls who paid our way to this unfunded ponzie befuddled end.

on the other hand we could do the job ourselves
http://www.katinaforcongress.com/

Just act up and do not let up

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 11, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Update: Just breaking from AP with no details yet: “House GOP offers debt limit hike, end to shutdown in package with spending cuts.” Again, ending the shutdown (as opposed to the debt ceiling) was never part of the conservative strategy on this. The point of raising the debt ceiling for six weeks was so that Republicans wouldn’t feel pressured to end the shutdown. But here we are.

Boehner/Cantor/Rodgers et al = the McCain/Grahams of the House.

Bitter Clinger on October 11, 2013 at 12:18 PM

They should allow Obamacare to go into full effect…as it was PASSED by Congress, SIGNED INTO LAW by Obama, and UPHELD by the Supreme Court. No exemptions or waivers for ANYONE.

Resist We Much on October 11, 2013 at 12:08 PM

I don’t get why the Repubs don’t do this, it seems to me it is a political winner all around. Not even the lefties like some businesses getting special treatment.
I also don’t understand the lack of outrage over the waivers, but thenagain, I don’t understand the lack of outrage over so many things…

neuquenguy on October 11, 2013 at 12:18 PM

The “the quixotic ‘defund’ project” never had a chance. While polls show that ObamaCare is unpopular, which we conservatives love to cite, they also show nobody wanted a shutdown over defunding it.

ncconservative on October 11, 2013 at 12:19 PM

you too

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 11, 2013 at 12:20 PM

oops

http://www.katrinaforcongress.com/

Just do it.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 11, 2013 at 12:21 PM

I think now is the perfect time to continue with the shutdown.
Non-mandatory spending on non-essential functions of the government is a perfect line to draw between the responsibilities of the Federal Government and state/local governments.

Keep it shutdown, allow the states to take over.

It still doesn’t fix our debt problem, evidenced by the fact that we have to increase our debt limit even with the government “shutdown”.

Why aren’t more people asking how we are spending more than we take in even while the government is “shutdown”?

If we agreed to permanently discontinue funding the non-mandatory spending we are still incurring debt at a disastrous rate.

This is a great messaging opportunity for those of us who favor a small/limited federal government. Of course the GOP wants to abandon ship.

weaselyone on October 11, 2013 at 12:21 PM

the GOP should merely insist that the law applies equally to all

No. BarkyCare needs to be defunded/delayed/REPEALED, not applied in full. It will cause irreparable damage to everything it touches, but likely won’t have much effect on those who forced it through. It needs to be killed. Nothing else. Letting BarkyCare sail along while tearing everything in its path to shreds is no way to go and no one with sense should support that tactic. The Soviet Union limped along for more than 70 years while its policies were all total failures that brought pain and destruction to its people. Just allowing sh!tty laws to be enforced, contrary to popular wisdom, does little to get them repealed, especially as they destroy and warp all in its wake.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 11, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Again, ending the shutdown (as opposed to the debt ceiling) was never part of the conservative strategy on this.

That statement is predicated on the existence of “the conservative strategy” in the first place. Which is what? I bet if you ask fifty people, you’ll get fifty different responses.

KingGold on October 11, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Do not settle for anything less than real, immediate, quantitative spending cuts, based on the sequester level.

And reduce Obamacare subsidies from an astonishing 400% of Poverty level income, down to 150%. That’s where some real money is and where reality will hit purchasers.

can_con on October 11, 2013 at 12:26 PM

He questioned why the government should remain closed if both sides agreed to engage in good-faith negotiations on the budget, according to a Democratic source briefed on the meeting…

Good faith. That’s been the problem so far – after being described as terrorists, arsonists and hostage takers, there’s no reason to believe any upcoming negotiations would actually be ‘in good faith’.

The Republicans are really getting the worst of everything if this ends up being the deal.

1) No solid policy gains
2) Big polling hit
3) Increased intra-party fighting
4) Set a precedent that they’ll cave in future situations

BadgerHawk on October 11, 2013 at 12:27 PM

When the GOP base deserts to a third party the Republicans will have great difficulty getting elected dog catcher. I had thought that the Dems might be the US national party that goes down in flames, but they don’t call the GOP the stupid party for nothing. The Tea Party faction of the GOP is very, very close to being fed up.

Viator on October 11, 2013 at 12:29 PM

That statement is predicated on the existence of “the conservative strategy” in the first place. Which is what? I bet if you ask fifty people, you’ll get fifty different responses.

KingGold on October 11, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Just like the IRS.

Off-topic, did you catch my closing missive in last night’s QOTD?

Steve Eggleston on October 11, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Well did he take it?

gophergirl on October 11, 2013 at 12:31 PM

They should allow Obamacare to go into full effect…as it was PASSED by Congress, SIGNED INTO LAW …

So was the debt ceiling! The DC is settled law. It must be executed as written.

crash72 on October 11, 2013 at 12:34 PM

No. BarkyCare needs to be defunded/delayed/REPEALED, not applied in full. It will cause irreparable damage to everything it touches, but likely won’t have much effect on those who forced it through. It needs to be killed. Nothing else. Letting BarkyCare sail along while tearing everything in its path to shreds is no way to go and no one with sense should support that tactic. The Soviet Union limped along for more than 70 years while its policies were all total failures that brought pain and destruction to its people. Just allowing sh!tty laws to be enforced, contrary to popular wisdom, does little to get them repealed, especially as they destroy and warp all in its wake.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 11, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Giving them a delay just gives them time to fix it and make sure it stays permanent. To them, “fixing it” will mean making sure it stays permanent. You are just giving them time to work on their slavery machine instead of forcing them to field it before it’s ready.

The Soviet Union example is strange. The CCCR wasn’t a representative democracy where people could change their laws. As slaves, they has to wait until the machine broke. We can turn it off.

Axe on October 11, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Latest from Fox News’ Chad Pergram: House GOP Conference to meet at 9 am Saturday.

Why surrender today when we can surrender tomorrow?

Steve Eggleston on October 11, 2013 at 12:36 PM

The GOP is polling bad because these cowards are lying to their base. People are sick of it, and are no longer going to hold their nose to vote for these vermin.

OliverB on October 11, 2013 at 12:36 PM

So was the debt ceiling! The DC is settled law. It must be executed as written.

crash72 on October 11, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Um, no, the debt ceiling does not have to be raised by law.

And, you’re missing my point.

Resist We Much on October 11, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Robert Costa ✔ @robertcostaNRO

Source close to last night’s talks tell me CR deal is not as close as many press reports; House Rs far from ready to move on a clean CR
8:47 AM – 11 Oct 2013

davidk on October 11, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Yesterday I was feeling pretty good that the Boehner and the House leadership was willing to extend the debt limit for 60 days while keeping the government shut down going to keep the pressure on Obama. Now I’m dismayed that they are actively seeking to open the government back up and let go of any leverage they have over the Dems. WTF? Fools!

mpthompson on October 11, 2013 at 12:01 PM

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I posted this link http://tinyurl.com/lzzpw8u repeatedly yesterday so Boehner & Co’s sudden capitulation would be seen in the appropriate light – the moneymen publicly taking the GOPe leadership to task in a NYT article.

While both parties have extreme elements, he suggested, only in the G.O.P. did the extreme element exercise real power. “The extreme right has 90 seats in the House,” Mr. Echevarria said. “Occupy Wall Street has no seats.”

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Equating the TEA Party elected/supported congresspersons with the Occupy Wall Street hooligans/thugs/rapists isn’t worth one single word of denunciation?

“Nothing to see here, move along!”

Except Joe Echevarria, the chief executive of Deloitte, the accounting and consulting firm has as his clients the health insurance and pharmaceutical companies who will be raking in BILLIONS from the Obamacare deals they got in return for their support of the law.

OH! … and the Too Big Too Jail banks are also Deloitte’s clients who get $ 85 billion per year in government subsidies IN ADDITION to the $ 85 billion/month of interest free money the get from QE Forever.

Just a little $ 1 trillion conflict of interest & motives on Mr Echevarria’s part.

PolAgnostic on October 11, 2013 at 12:41 PM

These same guys who ripped on Cruz for not having a strategy seem to be winging it. But of course the media will call them the adults of the Republican Party. Last time I checked adults don’t leave their children in poverty.

OliverB on October 11, 2013 at 12:41 PM

*sigh*

That’s about the most I can muster on this news.

Jack_Burton on October 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM

This nation is beyond saving.
Too many stupid people to even deserve survival.
Too many gutless politicians and bureaucrats who care more about their immediate personal needs and wants than they do about the survival of the nation, or the world that their kids and grandkids will have to live in.

Case in point:

A couple of days ago lost my best old “Army Buddy”

He is at the top of the GS pay scale without being a political appointee, and has been furloughed. He is worried about paying his mortgage, utilities and food.

He wanted to know my opinion about the ‘shutdown’. I told him that it should have been done a long time ago.

He wanted to know my opinion of increasing the debt ceiling.
I told him that it was too high already.

He isn’t talking to me anymore, despite the fact that I offered to send him enough money to see him through, and even a place at ‘the gulch’ if worse comes to worse.

I guess eating at the taxpayer trough is more important to many; even pretty intelligent people, than 40 year old friendships.

L.I.B.

LegendHasIt on October 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Giving them a delay just gives them time to fix it and make sure it stays permanent. To them, “fixing it” will mean making sure it stays permanent. You are just giving them time to work on their slavery machine instead of forcing them to field it before it’s ready.

No. I’m giving us time to actually get it repealed (as should have been the fight this time, but …).

The Soviet Union example is strange. The CCCR wasn’t a representative democracy where people could change their laws. As slaves, they has to wait until the machine broke. We can turn it off.

Axe on October 11, 2013 at 12:34 PM

We are living in the American Socialist Superstate, now. The comparison is apt. If BarkyCare can be turned off then it should be turned off, now. Letting it weave its way into every sector of society, destroying and perverting everything it touches, is a recipe for sure disaster. BarkyCare is as anti-American as anything gets. It is death, itself, and needs to be treated that way.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Latest from Fox News’ Chad Pergram: House GOP Conference to meet at 9 am Saturday.

Why surrender today when we can surrender tomorrow?

Steve Eggleston on October 11, 2013 at 12:36 PM

They time to get their story straight so they can protect their phoney baloney jobs. Can I get a harrumph.

WisRich on October 11, 2013 at 12:45 PM

The surrender-rats, ALL out in 2014, with NO exceptions.

Give the hammer to Nancy. She’s way more deserving, on convictions alone, even if the land will burn faster. It needs to.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM

*sigh*

That’s about the most I can muster on this news.

Jack_Burton on October 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Yep

gophergirl on October 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Nothing will fix the GOP at this point but full implosion. Let it burn along with the country. It’s the only way out.

tyketto on October 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM

I hate the RINOs with more passion than I hate Kucinich, the communist. He has deeper convictions and doesn’t lie about them.

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM

This nation is beyond saving.
LegendHasIt on October 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM

I know what you’re saying. I would suggest that it’s not beyond some form of cataclysm, and only through this process is salvation possible. But salvation is possible. There are too many people who apprehend the crisis and wish to see the country saved. Unlike Europe, which does not have this reservoir of strength and will.

rrpjr on October 11, 2013 at 12:48 PM

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