Peter King: It’s Ted Cruz and Rand Paul who are the real RINOs

posted at 6:01 pm on October 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via RCP. Wait, wait, wait — before you start shaking your first at him, isn’t his point here oddly simpatico with what tea partiers say every day about Beltway squishes like King himself? It all depends on what benchmark you use to define “Republican.” The Republican establishment of the past 10 years has been fiercely interventionist, willing to bend on civil liberties in the name of fighting terrorism, and happy to back new entitlement programs like Medicare Part D so long as their guy’s in the White House. Rand Paul, by contrast, tilts towards isolationism, wants to sue the NSA over its Bush/Obama surveillance programs, and opposes virtually all new forms of government spending. By the standards of 2000-2010 Republicanism, he is, quite literally, a Republican in name only — which is precisely why tea partiers, who hate what the GOP’s become, like him. King’s point here is a silly but oddly penetrating gloss on the story of the last two weeks, namely, what does “Republican” mean in 2013? Righties who hurl “RINO” as an insult don’t really mean that the target isn’t a Republican, they mean that he isn’t a conservative. Is “conservative” still a synonym for “Republican”? Was it ever, even under Reagan? The Paul/Cruz wing is trying to co-opt and redefine the Republican brand, which is valuable because it already enjoys the allegiance of nearly half the country, but maybe it can’t be done — which is why political media is suddenly full of stories like these and Gallup is asking questions like this. In fact, the whole point of a goofy 2016 Peter King presidential candidacy is to push this question into the spotlight (as if it wouldn’t already be there by virtue of Christie’s and/or Bush’s much more serious candidacies). Which side of the party still controls the “Republican” brand? RINOs versus true conservatives in the World Series of love.

Since we’re on the subject, can anyone explain to me how this strategy by centrist House Republicans is supposedly going to checkmate their tea-party colleagues?

Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., is organizing a group of pragmatic conservatives, hoping to create a counterweight to the Tea Party-affiliated lawmakers that have thwarted House GOP leadership strategy leading up to, and during, the government shutdown.

Nunes corralled five Republican members, whom he declined to name, but told the Washington Examiner that he expects membership to grow to a dozen. Frustrated that a hardline minority of House Republicans stymied the strategies and legislation supported by a majority of the caucus, Nunes said the group intends to withhold their votes from any bill that does not garner the support of at least 208 of the 232 Republicans in the House.

Once 208 House Republicans get behind a particular legislative package, the Nunes group would deliver the final 10 votes needed to pass it. Nunes said the group’s chief priority is to prevent a minority of the caucus from blocking the will of the GOP majority. The Californian said his group will disband once the government shutdown ends and the battle over the debt ceiling concludes.

So, if 25 tea partiers in the House decided to vote no on one of Boehner’s measures because it’s not conservative enough, leaving him with 207 Republican votes, Nunes’s centrist gang will … also vote no, thereby helping the tea partiers by preventing passage? Why would he do that? The idea here, I guess, is that if Boehner ends up bringing a bill that’s backed by tea partiers, Nunes’s group will punish them and refuse to support unless they can get to 208 on their own. But … that shouldn’t be too hard. If tea partiers are fully on board with a particular bill and the leadership’s also on board, then the entire caucus has the political cover it needs to vote unanimously in favor. To create a real counterweight to the tea party, Nunes would need to find several dozen centrists, not just 10 or 12, who not only oppose tea-party policies but are willing to risk a primary to block them by withholding votes. And the only way he’ll get those centrists is if some sort of grassroots centrist counterweight to the tea party developed to support centrists in the primary. But that’s unlikely for simple psychological reasons: By definition, a centrist doesn’t see losing a political fight as a dire threat to the country the way someone on the left or right does. They don’t have the same motivation to turn out in the primaries to elect their guy as a conservative does. (Many centrists, I suspect, don’t pay close attention to politics, although whether that’s a cause or effect of their centrism is debatable.) And, despite David Frum’s fondest dreams, their annoyance at Cruz and Mike Lee for all this is unlikely to gestate into a grassroots movement. Which means Nunes is stuck at 10 or 12 and we’re left debating who the real “RINOs” are.


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The leadership has to represent the base or you end with this…a mutiny.

Every political party has to have a bedrock for support, something that grounds them.

William Eaton on October 12, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Yes

If conviction is firm because it relates to survival or conscience, it will not be controlled

A lot of people would not vote Romney, because they did not trust the vote would help them, and because they feared it might hurt them. It is difficult to cede power to someone you do not trust. That is it in a nutshell. Trust is not easily bought

The IRS was allowed to attack the Tea Party, and the RINOs sat on the complaints until the last election ended. Now the RINOs openly declare war on tea party and offer nothing in return. You have to be nuts to follow them

entagor on October 12, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Can someone pat “just the facts” on the head so that it can feel validated, because all of its cut and paste posts are irritating me.

BTW, jtf, it really doesn’t frickin matter who started the tea party, but it was Santinelli’s comment that got a lot of our attentions, and woke some of us up. People like me would have just tuned anything Ron Paul said out.

melle1228 on October 12, 2013 at 1:24 PM

has accused the Kochs of attempting to destroy the group’s identity as an independent, libertarian think tank so as to align the Cato Institute with the Koch’s corporate agenda.
 
JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 1:21 PM

 
Plagiarism.
 

which has accused the Kochs of attempting to destroy the group’s identity as an independent, libertarian think and align it more closely with a partisan agenda.
 
http://fightforbetterus.blogspot.com/2012_05_01_archive.html

 
Truly inexcusable.

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Nunes corralled five Republican members, whom he declined to name, but told the Washington Examiner that he expects membership to grow to a dozen.

What does it say about their ability to thwart anything that they prefer to stay lurking in the shadows. At least King is honest enough to attribute his hatred of fellow Republicans.

Happy Nomad on October 12, 2013 at 1:28 PM

AP, I know copy-pasting talking points as their own is probably typical of the Kos/OFA types, but isn’t preventing spam partly why you don’t have open registration?

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 1:30 PM

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Excellent work

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 1:31 PM

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Thanks for the link.

If you want to see how I put my sentence together read MY LINK TO THE LAWSUIT!

But again thanks for the link, you the best!

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 1:32 PM

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 1:27 PM

 
Thanks for the link.
 
If you want to see how I put my sentence together read MY LINK TO THE LAWSUIT!
 
But again thanks for the link, you the best!
 
JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 1:32 PM

 
You don’t offer any independent thought.
 
You paste opinion as your own.
 
You are, at your core, a liar.

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Hilarious. Passing off politico crap as its own.

Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Well, the alternative is to fund 0b00baCare, so you can invent all the conspiracy theories you want but the fact remains, the alternative is to fund 0b00baCare.

Spending must originate in congress. 0b00baCare was tacked on to a veterans bill in the senate then parliamentaried through the house. Not exactly kosher.

Now we have a chance not to fund a spending and taxing bill that didn’t originate in the house, and… “Koch brothers!!!” is all you got?

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Good get! Have you memorized the Internet?

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 1:36 PM

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Notice how you blame me for repeating or copying the FACTS that even the CATO institute is saying about the Koch brothers while at the same time you try to accuse me of creating some conspiracy = lie that I copied the info from documents found in lawsuits and tax records and published peer reviewed research papers about the Koch created multimillion dollar “grass roots” organizations.

So which is it did I make it up or did I copy it?

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM

can invent all the conspiracy theories you want

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Again I ask:

AM I BEING ACCUSED OF INVENTING CONSPIRACIES?

OR

AM I BEING ACCUSED COPPING AND PASTING FROM THE LAWSUITS, TAX RECORDS, AND PUBLISHED PEER REVIEWED STUDIES ABOUT THE KOCH BROTHERS AND THEIR ATTEMPT TO CO-OPT THE CONSERVATIVE MOMENT?

YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

 
Notice how you blame me for repeating or copying the FACTS that even the CATO institute is saying about the Koch brothers while at the same time you try to accuse me of creating some conspiracy = lie that I copied the info from documents found in lawsuits and tax records and published peer reviewed research papers about the Koch created multimillion dollar “grass roots” organizations.
 
So which is it did I make it up or did I copy it?
 
JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM

 
Plagiarism is lying.
 
You repeatedly and willingly post opinion as your own without crediting the author.
 
That means you’re a liar. You’re just copying other people and pretending you came up with it.
 
You should direct them to the actual author so that they can debate the person who understands and created the argument.

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

PUBLISHED PEER REVIEWED STUDIES ABOUT THE KOCH BROTHERS

LMFAO. omg!!!!!!

Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 1:52 PM

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

You’re typing in caps. Hit your CapsLock key whydontcha?

I’m sorry, what were you saying about George Soros taking over the world?

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Here is one of SIX academic studies:

The study, funded by the National Cancer Institute of the National Institute of Health, Published in the PEER-REVIEWED academic journal, Tobacco Control, titled, ‘To quarterback behind the scenes, third party efforts’: the tobacco industry and the Tea Party, shows how the billionaire Koch brothers planned the formation of the Tea Party movement and used it to get conservatives to unknowingly support the Koch industries corporate agenda.

http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/07/tobaccocontrol-2012-050815.abstract

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Obama just happened to know 60s far-left radical revolutionary William Ayers, whose father just happened to be Thomas Ayers, who just happened to be a close friend of Obama’s communist mentor Frank Marshall Davis, who just happened to work at the communist-sympathizing Chicago Defender with Vernon Jarrett, who just happened to later become the father-in-law of Iranian-born leftist Valerie Jarrett, who Obama just happened to choose as his closest White House advisor, and who just happened to have been CEO of Habitat Company, which just happened to manage public housing in Chicago, which just happened to get millions of dollars from the Illinois state legislature, and which just happened not to properly maintain the housing—which eventually just happened to require demolition.

Chicago

Valerie Jarrett also just happened to work for the city of Chicago and just happened to hire Michelle LaVaughan Robinson (later Mrs.Obama), who just happened to have worked at the Sidley Austin law firm, where former fugitive from the FBI Bernardine Dohrn also just happened to work, and where Barack Obama just happened to get a summer job.

Kenya

Bernardine Dohrn just happened to be married to William Ayers, with whom she just happened to have hidden from the FBI at a San Francisco marina, along with Donald Warden, who just happened to change his name to Khalid al-Mansour, and Warden/al-Mansour just happened to be a mentor of Black Panther Party founders Huey Newton and Bobby Seale and a close associate of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, and al-Mansour just happened to be financial adviser to a Saudi Prince, who just happened to donate cash to Harvard, for which Obama just happened to get a critical letter of recommendation from Percy Sutton, who just happened to have been the attorney for Malcolm X, who just happened to know Kenyan politician Tom Mboya, who just happened to be a close friend of Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., who just happened to meet Malcolm X when he traveled to Kenya.

Nation of Islam

Obama, Sr. just happened to have his education at the University of Hawaii paid for by the Laubach Literacy Institute, which just happened to have been supported by Elizabeth Mooney Kirk, who just happened to be a friend of Malcolm X, who just happened to have been associated with the Nation of Islam, which was later headed by Louis Farrakhan, who just happens to live very close to Obama’s Chicago mansion, which also just happens to be located very close to the residence of William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, who just happen to have been occasional baby-sitters for Malia and Natasha Obama, whose parents just happened to have no concern exposing their daughters to bomb-making communists.

Alinsky

After attending Occidental College and Columbia University, where he just happened to have foreign Muslim roommates, Obama moved to Chicago to work for the Industrial Areas Foundation, an organization that just happened to have been founded by Marxist and radical agitator Saul Alinsky, author of Rules for Radicals, who just happened to be the topic of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s thesis at Wellesley College, and Obama’s $25,000 salary at IAF just happened to be funded by a grant from the Woods Fund, which was founded by the Woods family, whose Sahara Coal company just happened to provide coal to Commonwealth Edison, whose CEO just happened to be Thomas Ayers, whose son William Ayers just happened to serve on the board of the Woods Fund, along with Obama.

Democratic Socialists of America

Obama also worked on voter registration drives in Chicago in the 1980s and just happened to work with leftist political groups like the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and Socialist International (SI), through which Obama met Carl Davidson, who just happened to travel to Cuba during the Vietnam War to sabotage the U.S. war effort, and who just happened to be a former member of the SDS and a member of the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, which just happened to sponsor a 2002 anti-war rally at which Obama spoke, and which just happened to have been organized by Marilyn Katz, a former SDS activist and later public relations consultant who just happened to be a long-time friend of Obama’s political hatchet man, David Axelrod.

Anti-white, Anti-Jew, and Anti-American

Obama joined Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC), whose pastor was Reverend Jeremiah Wright, a fiery orator who just happened to preach Marxism and Black Liberation Theology and who delivered anti-white, anti-Jew, and anti-American sermons, which Obama just happened never to hear because he just happened to miss church only on the days when Wright was at his “most enthusiastic,” and Obama just happened never to notice that Oprah Winfrey left the church because it was too radical and just happened never to notice that the church gave the vile anti-Semitic Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan a lifetime achievement award.

Dreams From 1960s Far-left Radicals

Although no one had ever heard of him at the time, Obama just happened to receive an impossible-to-believe $125,000 advance to write a book about race relations, which he just happened to fail to write while using the cash to vacation in Bali with his wife Michelle, and despite his record of non-writing he just happened to receive a second advance, for $40,000, from another publisher, and he eventually completed a manuscript called Dreams From My Father, which just happened to strongly reflect the writing style of William Ayers, who just happened to trample on an American flag for the cover photograph of the popular Chicago magazine, which Obama just happened never to see even though it appeared on newsstands throughout the city.

Slumlord Valerie Jarrett

Obama was hired by the law firm Miner, Banhill and Galland, which just happened to specialize in negotiating state government contracts to develop low-income housing, and which just happened to deal with now-imprisoned Tony Rezko and his firm Rezar, and with slumlord Valerie Jarrett, and the law firm’s Judson Miner just happened to have been a classmate of Bernardine Dohrn, wife of William Ayers.

ACORN

In 1994 Obama represented ACORN and another plaintiff in a lawsuit against Citibank for denying mortgages to blacks (Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Federal Savings Bank), and the lawsuit just happened to result in banks being blackmailed into approving subprime loans for poor credit risks, a trend which just happened to spread nationwide, and which just happened to lead to the collapse of the housing bubble, which just happened to help Obama defeat John McCain in the 2008 presidential election.

Marxists

In 1996 Obama ran for the Illinois State Senate and joined the “New Party,” which just happened to promote Marxism and Obama was supported by Dr. Quentin Young, a socialist who just happened to support a government takeover of the health care system.

Larry Sinclair

In late 1999 Obama purportedly engaged in homosexual activities and cocaine-snorting in the back of a limousine with a man named Larry Sinclair, who claims he was contacted in late 2007 by Donald Young, who just happened to be the gay choir director of Obama’s Chicago church and who shared information with Sinclair about Obama and Young just happened to be murdered on December 23, 2007, just weeks after Larry Bland, another gay member of the church, just happened to be murdered and both murders just happened to have never been solved. In 2008 Sinclair held a press conference to discuss his claims, and just happened to be arrested immediately after the event, based on a warrant issued by Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, who just happens to be the son of Joe Biden.

Stomping on Old Glory

In 2003 Obama and his wife attended a dinner in honor of Rashid Khalidi, who just happened to be a former PLO operative, harsh critic of Israel and advocate of Palestinian rights and who Obama claims he does not know, even though the Obamas just happened to have dined more than once at the home of Khalidi and his wife, Mona, and just happened to have used them as occasional baby-sitters. Obama reportedly praised Khalidi at the decidedly anti-Semitic event, which William Ayers just happened to also attend, and the event Obama pretends he never attended was sponsored by the Arab American Action Network, to which Obama just happened to have funneled cash while serving on the board of the Woods Fund with William Ayers, and one speaker at the dinner remarked that if Palestinians cannot secure a return of their land, Israel “will never see a day of peace,” and entertainment at the dinner included a Muslim children’s dance whose performances just happened to include simulated beheadings with fake swords, and stomping on American, Israeli, and British flags, and Obama allegedly told the audience that “Israel has no God-given right to occupy Palestine” and there has been “genocide against the Palestinian people by (the) Israelis,” and the Los Angeles Times has a videotape of the event but just happens to refuse to make it public.

Blue Dems

In the 2004 Illinois Democrat primary race for the U.S. Senate, front-runner Blair Hull just happened to be forced out of the race after David Axelrod just happened to manage to get Hull’s sealed divorce records unsealed, which just happened to enable Obama to win the primary, so he could face popular Republican Jack Ryan, whose sealed child custody records from his divorce just happened to become unsealed, forcing Ryan to withdraw from the race, which just happened to enable the unqualified Obama to waltz into the U.S. Senate, where, after a mere 143 days of work, he just happened to decide he was qualified to run for President of the United States.

These are just the facts.

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Totally unhinged. I feel sorry for your family, you reprobate statist.

Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 2:05 PM

The study, funded by the National Cancer Institute of the National Institute of Health, Published in the PEER-REVIEWED academic journal, Tobacco Control, titled, ‘To quarterback behind the scenes, third party efforts’: the tobacco industry and the Tea Party, shows how the billionaire Koch brothers planned the formation of the Tea Party movement and used it to get conservatives to unknowingly support the Koch industries corporate agenda.

http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/07/tobaccocontrol-2012-050815.abstract

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 2:02 PM

And 0b00ba’s one of their customers.

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 2:06 PM

LMFAO. omg!!!!!!

Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 1:52 PM

So you think I just made it all up and then I copied it and pasted it!?!?!

And your NOT embarrassed with yourself?

Here is one of SIX academic studies:

The study, funded by the National Cancer Institute of the National Institute of Health, Published in the PEER-REVIEWED academic journal, Tobacco Control, titled, ‘To quarterback behind the scenes, third party efforts’: the tobacco industry and the Tea Party, shows how the billionaire Koch brothers planned the formation of the Tea Party movement and used it to get conservatives to unknowingly support the Koch industries corporate agenda.

http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/07/tobaccocontrol-2012-050815.abstract

HAVE YOU HEARD OF GOOGLE SCHOLAR? Use to find only peer reviewed studies.

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 2:06 PM

You are, at your core, a liar.

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Justtheplagiarizedfacts

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 2:06 PM

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 2:02 PM

I usually mix in crop circles and pyramids into my theories. But that’s just me.

tetriskid on October 12, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Lie to me about the Clinton Surpluses™ again reprobate. That’s good for a few thousand lines of plagarized bs.

Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 2:09 PM

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

You’re accused of shouting. Quit the all caps nonsense. Get with the times.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Genuine laid down so much tea in this thread. The kids could not take!

libfreeordie on October 12, 2013 at 2:09 PM

The HIV wing of the democrat party weighing in.

Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 2:10 PM

And your you’re NOT embarrassed with yourself?
….
JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Are you, especially given your nom?

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Genuine laid down so much tea in this thread. The kids could not take!

libfreeordie on October 12, 2013 at 2:09 PM

You and Genuine are brown, not from natural hues.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 2:06 PM

So you still believe that there is NO evidence that proves tobacco causes cancer and is extremely unhealthy for you because you continue to believe the TOBACCO industries when they insisted it was simply a left wing CONSPIRACY to take away smokers rights?

WOW!

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Spending must originate in congress. 0b00baCare was tacked on to a veterans bill in the senate then parliamentaried through the house. Not exactly kosher.

Now we have a chance not to fund a spending and taxing bill that didn’t originate in the house, and… “Koch brothers!!!” is all you got?

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

This part is well worth remembering.

This simple fact should be used in the Obamacare funding arguments and it is getting buried, intentionally, because the MSM is trying to rewrite the history of the bill

entagor on October 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 2:06 PM

So you still believe that there is NO evidence that proves tobacco causes cancer and is extremely unhealthy for you because you continue to believe the TOBACCO industries when they insisted it was simply a left wing CONSPIRACY to take away smokers rights?

WOW!

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM

These are just the facts.

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 2:05 PM

One day obama, the clinically NPD’d guy, will write a book, for at least one billion “How I fooled the world…twice”. You can bet on this.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM

This part is well worth remembering.

This simple fact should be used in the Obamacare funding arguments and it is getting buried, intentionally, because the MSM is trying to rewrite the history of the bill

entagor on October 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM

I wish that Roberts will Never sleep through a single night in peace, ever again. I hope he suffers to the very end, badly.

Also, never to miss the dual treatment of citizens, under the law. It is unconstitutional. After Jan. 01, 2014, citizens will file suit, up to the SC. Never, never, never, should the congress and the president be exempt from laws they force upon the citizenry.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 2:17 PM

to take away smokers’ rights?

WOW!

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Did you complete school?

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Santelli’s speech is what triggered the creation of groups like TEA Party Patriots, TEA Party Express, and Freedom Workers. They got people elected.
Resist We Much on October 11, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Bull****. The big money interests that it took to CREATE those organizations created the “Tea Party”. And they did it to USE you. And it worked.

So was Santilli’s use of the term “tea party” part of a Koch Bros plot? Can you find any Koch Bros behind the scenes machinations prior to his use of the term?

Again, you cannot honestly be naive enough to believe the completely unbelievable Rick Santelli explanation. It’s nothing but a cover for the true sources, because you all wouldn’t have trusted them. You needed to believe it was your own idea.

I guess the answer to my question is yes, Santilli was put up to the use of the term “tea party” by the evil Koch Bros.

Because that’s the ONLY way you can successfully manipulate people into so thoroughly arguing against their own interests.

I know. If only we would just stop denying that we love Big Brother.

Being able to hijack and neutralize the libertarian movement that was originally driving it was the icing on top for them.

Wait! Did they hijack Santilli’s use of the term, or put him up to using it?

Bury one movement that hurts them, and turn into something else that they can USE. Genuine on October 11, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Ok, so they buried Libertarianism because it hurt them, hijacked it, and pretended to advance its principles in a movement that has more visibility than the Libertarian Party ever dreamed of?

Sounds like the evil Koch Bros are acting against interest there, Skippy.

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 2:21 PM

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Take Valium, you can’t even control which buttons you edit your text with.

I didn’t say anything about cancer. But lying liars lie.

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 2:22 PM

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 2:13 PM

I said nothing about cancer.

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Ignore these idiots.

So far so good, the govt is still on slowdown.

Dems and the GOPe types are pissed and worried.

Lib trolls are freaking out, that’s why they are rampant here.

I like it all.

Meremortal on October 12, 2013 at 2:24 PM

A traitor on your team is far more dangerous than many enemies arrayed against you. The Peter Kings, John McCains, and all the other establishment GOP traitors need to be removed from office.

Ceteris Paribus on October 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Meremortal on October 12, 2013 at 2:24 PM

The Democrat Party, a wing of the Socialist International, is the party of govt.

Shutting down even 15% of the govt in order to maybe regain the freedom 0b00baCare steals from us, sends it and its lackeys into paroxysms of rage.

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Is “conservative” still a synonym for “Republican”? Was it ever, even under Reagan?

The bearded musings of someone predestined to remain in permanent political minority status indefinitely, and thoroughly cheered by said prospect.

Just go ahead and anoint Hillary the successor-in-chief now. Save yourselves all the wasted time and expense otherwise.

Kent18 on October 12, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Agreed, except perhaps fear is a better word than rage here, or fear-driven rage shall we say.

The longer the slowdown lasts, the worse for Dems. Even lib govt workers are getting a lesson why it’s not a good idea to trust govt.

Meremortal on October 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM

I’m disgusted by Paul Ryan and his phalanx trying to hijack this ‘shut down’ to get his name on some legislation over budget issues. Instead of Obamacare, his ‘negotiations’ are handing back the sequestrations, funding Obamacare, in exchange for a few cuts to entitlement programs.

When this ‘shut down’ began it was over getting a one year delay in the implementation of the individual mandate of Obamacare. The GOP look like a bunch of grasping, ridiculous fools for suddenly abandoning that delay tactic in favor of budget cuts to Social Security and Medicare. How does this mitigate, one iota, the damage of Obamacare? It doesn’t.

To make matters worse, Ryan is pushing for AMNESTY for at minimum of 11 million illegal aliens.. who would promptly qualify for … OBAMACARE. The CBO has already calculated the cost of adding those ii million illegal aliens to Obamacare at over $2 Trillion for the first decade.

Makes Ryan’s chiseling on the budget worse than of no consequence…it makes it obvious that those ‘savings’ would be directed to the healthcare of illegal aliens and assure a steady stream of them coming to nation ever after… and transparent as the grab for attention and positioning ahead of the 2016 elections.

Paul Ryan and those who support him can choke on it.

thatsafactjack on October 12, 2013 at 2:45 PM

I like it all.

Meremortal on October 12, 2013 at 2:24 PM

+ 200 million, because it’s good for the land and her children.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Howdy J. Hope you feel a bit better :)

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 2:47 PM

You and Genuine are brown, not from natural hues.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Well, for once you’ve stumped me.

libfreeordie on October 12, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 2:22 PM

You are specifically saying that any peer reviewed, academic study, that says big corporate money was used to create Citizens for a Sound Economy, Americans for Prosperity Foundation, Tea Party Patriots, Freedom Works, November is Coming, Hands Off My Healthcare, the Institute of Liberty, and etc with $235 million dollars from the Koch brothers and the tobacco industry is a CONSPIRACY.

And your claiming that all of the long existing conservative organizations, like the CATO institute that claim, (or did claim until they were taken over), that the Koch brothers are attempting to co-opt them so as to use them to get conservatives to unknowingly push the Koch industries corporate agenda are just CONSPIRACIES.

So it appears you ONLY believe the Koch brothers and big tobacco industries because everything else funded by the National Cancer Institute of the National Institute of Health, Published in the PEER-REVIEWED academic journals are just CONSPIRACIES.

Which everyone knows there is NO such thing as political conspiracies involving big corporate donors using their financial influence to lobby congress. That’s just ridiculous conspiracies according to the big tabacco corporations that insisted tabacco was safe and whom you seem to STILL believe and trust in.

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Somebody turns off the lights and screams Koch Brothers whilst staring into a mirror methinks.

Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 2:58 PM

By “real RINOs” he means more conservative than establishment Republicans … right?

kregg on October 12, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Hello, my friend. :) Perhaps a bit, thanks. :)

thatsafactjack on October 12, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 2:05 That was outstanding.

retiredeagle on October 12, 2013 at 3:04 PM

I subscribe to the “Gibbs”[NCIS] theory that “there is no such thing as a coincidence” Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 2:05 PM is correct in putting all these together. If people do not connect the dots, they are being willfully ignorant and/or are well aware of it all and are just as traitorous.

retiredeagle on October 12, 2013 at 3:09 PM

So was Santilli’s use of the term “tea party” part of a Koch Bros plot? Can you find any Koch Bros behind the scenes machinations prior to his use of the term?

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Santilli was well aware of the Ron Paul Tea Party movement that was still strong even after the election and he was referring to it in his comment which is more clear when later Santilli himself said that the Tea Party was hijacked!

Also there are several Koch brother documents and big tabacco documents that have now been published which prove beyond any doubt that the Koch brothers and big tobacco decided to use the name TEA PARTY in their joint effort to get conservatives to support legislation that benefits both their corporate interests long before the so called start of the 2009 Tea Party movement.

These old Tea Party documents from the Koch brothers and big tabacco have been published as supporting evidence in the many peer reviewed academic studies that prove they planned on using the name LONG BEFORE the start of the 2009 Tea Party.

It is not theory it’s FACT!

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 3:22 PM

So it appears you ONLY believe the Koch brothers and big tobacco industries because everything else funded by the National Cancer Institute of the National Institute of Health, Published in the PEER-REVIEWED academic journals are just CONSPIRACIES.

Which everyone knows there is NO such thing as political conspiracies involving big corporate donors using their financial influence to lobby congress. That’s just ridiculous conspiracies according to the big tabacco corporations that insisted tabacco was safe and whom you seem to STILL believe and trust in.

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Please link your “peer review by leftists only” studies concerning:

Soros and using of leftist policy to devalue american dollar?

Foreign agent and NAZI sympathizer Soros and his funding of groups like MediaMatters?

ACORN and their criminal enterprises?

Unions and their communist influences and seditious tactics?

Who funded the filthy occupy movement?

Which left wing corporations are pushing US to reward unethical “scientists” who spread bogus fear concerning climate change?

I will never understand how you on the left are natural born liars…I am pretty sure it is a birth defect.

ClassicCon on October 12, 2013 at 3:23 PM

The land today – no kidding, in the US of Zimbabwe, with Carney and O’Mugabe, there is now a lawsuit going on – a student was forbidden to hand out copies of the constitution on constitution day.

The student aims to go all the way to the SC, as he should.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Wow, King finally got that one right.
Since the whole party moved so far left, it is Conservatives and Libertarians who are the RINOs.

King, McCain and that ilk are DIABLOs

(Democrats In All But Label Only.)

Which is also , by coincidence, spanish for DEVILs

LegendHasIt on October 12, 2013 at 3:33 PM

HAHAHA…I looked at this study knowing exactly what I would find.

So, Just? Why would a university waste time on this research unless they already had an agenda? You know the answer, but I doubt you are honest or man enough to answer.

So the study simply consists of finding anyone in the “smoker’s rights” movements and if they have involvement with just one of hundreds of tea party movements and claim this proves that tea party was started by Koch. Gotcha.

Amazingly this “research” was peer reviewed by the left wing echo chamber which makes it like double authentic. Like serious guys!…PEEEEEEEERRRRRRR REVIEW!!!!!!!!!

Hey JustMyFacts…you realize the number of communists, domestic terrorists, and pedophiles that infest EVERY SINGLE group you support?

ClassicCon on October 12, 2013 at 3:33 PM

I will never understand how you on the left are natural born liars…I am pretty sure it is a birth defect.

ClassicCon on October 12, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Plus, they are never truly liberal or progressive, only leftist impertinent thugs.

They s/b ashamed for having abandoned true liberalism.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Even lib govt workers are getting a lesson why it’s not a good idea to trust govt.
Meremortal on October 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM

I WISH you were right. I posted this yesterday, but will repeat here:

This nation is beyond saving.
Too many stupid people to even deserve survival.
Too many gutless politicians and bureaucrats who care more about their immediate personal needs and wants than they do about the survival of the nation, or the world that their kids and grandkids will have to live in.

Case in point:

A couple of days ago I lost my best old “Army Buddy”

He is at the top of the GS pay scale without being a political appointee, and has been furloughed. He is worried about paying his mortgage, utilities and food.

He wanted to know my opinion about the ‘shutdown’. I told him that it should have been done a long time ago.

He wanted to know my opinion of increasing the debt ceiling.
I told him that it was too high already.

He isn’t talking to me anymore, despite the fact that I offered to send him enough money to see him through, and even a place at ‘the gulch’ if worse comes to worse.

I guess eating at the taxpayer trough is more important to many; even pretty intelligent people, than 40 year old friendships.

L.I.B.

LegendHasIt on October 12, 2013 at 3:40 PM

All because you bought exactly what was sold to you, given to you for the sole purpose of using you to someone else’s benefit than your own.
 
History is full of examples of how easy it is to get people to vehemently argue against their own interests.
 
“The power was all right there, just waiting in the streets for someone to pick it up.”
 
Genuine on October 11, 2013 at 7:54 PM

 

Genuine laid down so much tea in this thread. The kids could not take!
 
libfreeordie on October 12, 2013 at 2:09 PM

 

Again, congratulations on your direct support of this administration’s actions.
 
rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM

 
Congratulations on voting 3rd party so you would be able to say “I’m not responsible” on online forums. Meanwhile, intellectually serious people are working on how to oppose the rhetoric of permanent war. Do let us know when you’ve quit masturbating over your foresight in voting Constitution party and join the adult conversation.
 
libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:16 PM

 

Don’t blame others for your lack of conviction.
 
Remember when you had it, btw?
 

Please do not confuse the war mongering Democratic party with the American left. …
 
this is why I voted Green in 2000 and 2004.
 
libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 9:52 PM

 

February 2012.
 
Say, that was before the re-election, wasn’t it?
 
rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 2:22 PM

 

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 3:44 PM

The study, funded by the National Cancer Institute of the National Institute of Health, Published in the PEER-REVIEWED academic journal, Tobacco Control, titled, ‘To quarterback behind the scenes, third party efforts’: the tobacco industry and the Tea Party, shows how the billionaire Koch brothers planned the formation of the Tea Party movement and used it to get conservatives to unknowingly support the Koch industries corporate agenda.

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 2:02 PM

O_O

Axe on October 12, 2013 at 3:45 PM

The study, funded by the National Cancer Institute of the National Institute of Health, Published in the PEER-REVIEWED academic journal, Tobacco Control, titled, ‘To quarterback behind the scenes, third party efforts’: the tobacco industry and the Tea Party…
 
JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 2:02 PM

 

Note the capital P in “published” in the middle of the first sentence above.
 

Published in the peer-reviewed academic journal, Tobacco Control, the study titled, ‘To quarterback behind the scenes, third party efforts’: the tobacco industry and the Tea Party…
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-demelle/study-confirms-tea-party-_b_2663125.html

 
P is for plagiarism.

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 3:53 PM

King, McCain and that ilk are DIABLOs

(Democrats In All But Label Only.)

LegendHasIt on October 12, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Oh, I am so stealing this. ;)

Kent18 on October 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Hey professor, is there an academic offense more serious than plagiarism?
 
Tell us why it’s so bad, please.

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Oh, I am so stealing this. ;)
Kent18 on October 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM

It ain’ stealin’ that which is freely given…

I’ve been trying to spread that idea around for a year.

LegendHasIt on October 12, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Oh, I am so stealing this. ;)
Kent18 on October 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM

It ain’t stealin’, that which is freely given…

I’ve been trying to spread that idea around for a year.

LegendHasIt on October 12, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Dang satellite, again.
Sorry for the double post.

LegendHasIt on October 12, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Dang satellite, again.
Sorry for the double post.

LegendHasIt on October 12, 2013 at 4:02 PM

I’m so jealous that you get to post from space. :(

Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 4:04 PM

LegendHasIt on October 12, 2013 at 3:40 PM

You “defeatist CINO”, right as you are :)

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 4:06 PM

So which is it did I make it up or did I copy it?

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Yes. Or no. Whichever one Kos tells me to say.

Nutstuyu on October 12, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Peter King needs a trip to the spa.

Fleuries on October 12, 2013 at 4:06 PM

So which is it did I make it up or did I copy it?

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM

You make a mockery of your nom.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Note the capital P in “published” in the middle of the first sentence above.

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 3:53 PM

I’m impressed.

. . . I’m never impressed.

Axe on October 12, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Moveon.org ir organizing “stop the madness” for Oct 15 :)

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 4:08 PM

ir = is

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 4:09 PM

. . . I’m never impressed.

Axe on October 12, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Nah, you are :)

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Wait, wait, wait — before you start shaking your first at him, isn’t his point here oddly simpatico with what tea partiers say every day about Beltway squishes like King himself?

Why yes. It is. King is a NE coast socialism-lite neocon kind of guy. Almost the definition of a RINO.

His mirror image, so to speak, is McCain over in the SW. Together they provide RINO socialism-lite bookends, for those who don’t want to take their American socialism full strength.

An earlier headline thread excerpt…

Asked whether he was concerned that the shutdown fight would do lasting damage to the public perception of the GOP, conference attendee Edward Bartlett shrugged. He said he was a fan of Sen. Ted Cruz, and admired the Tea Party hero’s unwavering push to defund Obamacare. If his principled stand hurts the establishment GOP, so be it.

“I consider myself more of a conservative than… a straight Republican,” said Bartlett.

Reposting with revisions…

The Tea Party never claimed to be a wing of the GOP.

On the contrary, at the start it welcomed any and all smaller less intrusive government advocates whatever they called themselves. Basic anyone who thinks the federal government has grown far too large and intrusive, confiscates far too much private wealth, and spends far too much money is Tea Party material be they Republican, conservative, libertarian, civil libertarian, independent, moderate, or whatever. No modern American liberal/Leftist/socialist can ever be a Tea Partier. These people are the sworn enemies of what the Tea Party stands for.

American liberals/Lefties/socialists have tried very hard to paint the Tea Party’s position as extreme and racist. The fact is they are the real extremists. They are socialists who refuse to call themselves socialists. At least Western European socialists admit what they are. American socialist politicians — that is, most Dems — are extremely dishonest and try to represent themselves as “progressive” populists other than what they really are, modern neo-socialists, in contrast to traditional classic socialists.

Many in the GOP are helping the American socialists paint the Tea Party as extremist, which tells you a lot about much of the GOP. The Tea Party position is ostensibly what the GOP has historically claimed to stand for. But we all now know it doesn’t really. It only makes some of those noises around election time. Too many Republicans talk the talk to get votes, and then promptly do an about face and walk the walk in the other direction.

If socialism medium to light is what the electorate really wants the Tea Party might be better off becoming an actual third party. At least then there will be no pretense about what the GOP really stands for. You want socialism lite you go with the GOP. You want your socialism full strength you go with the American socialist party, the Dem Party. You want something in between you get to pick the lesser of two evils on election day.

Meanwhile the Tea Party can stand firm and warn about the coming disaster, much as Churchill warned about the coming disaster in the 1930s. Let what is left of the GOP take the position it can manage to avoid a socialist disaster by appeasing everyone with their version of socialism lite. As if appeasing socialists has ever worked anywhere any time in the past.

If the RINOs are uninterested in stopping Obamacare in any way possible, and are uninterested in reducing spending and holding the line on debt and further borrowing, why bother voting for them if you support what the Tea Party stands for?

Because they claim they oppose the Dems? Really? Where is the substantive evidence? Rhetoric is cheap and politicians dispense it liberally, just like the money they confiscate through taxation and borrow when that is not enough.

The last two moderate GOP Presidential candidates couldn’t beat an obvious socialist by pandering their version of socialism lite. Is the third time going to be a charm? Better to go down standing on principle than to lose pandering socialism lite and trying to appease the socialist impulse.

American socialism is doomed to fail. Just as all socialism ultimately fails. The unknowns are when it will happen, how far it metastasizes before that happens, and how painful will its death be. The GOP RINOs are doing little more than offering palliative care to a terminal patient, rather than trying to save it.

If the American people want socialism but can’t decide whether they want GOP style socialism lite or Dem full strength socialism, there is no point in helping it along by trying to enable the GOP as the lesser of two evils. The RINO and the Dems are both going in the same direction with the same inevitable destination — economic disaster.

farsighted on October 12, 2013 at 4:09 PM

So the study simply consists of finding anyone in the “smoker’s rights” movements and if they have involvement with just one of hundreds of tea party movements and claim this proves that tea party was started by Koch. Gotcha.

BS!

The tobacco companies and Koch industries funded the Tea Party since 2002.

In 2002, Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE), started its US Tea Party project. Its 2002 website stated:

Our US Tea Party is a national event, hosted continuously online and open to all Americans who feel our taxes are too high and the tax code is too complicated.

In 2004, CSE split into the Tea Party organizations Americans for Prosperity (AFP) and Freedom Works. Which provided training, communication and materials for the earliest Tea Party activities, including the first ‘Tea Party’ on 27 February 2009 and paid for, supplyed literature for local Tea Party groups, trained, creating talking points, and organised the nationwide Tea Party tax protests in April 2009, the town hall protests about the proposed healthcare reform in August 2009 and the Taxpayers’ March on Washington the following September 2009.

“If you look at CSE, AFP and Freedom Works, you will see a number of the same key players, strategies and messages going back to the 1980s,” said lead author Amanda Fallin, PhD, RN, also a CTCRE fellow. “The records indicate that the Tea Party has been shaped by the tobacco industry, and is not a spontaneous grassroots movement at all.”

As of 2012, AFP and FreedomWorks were supporting the tobacco companies’ political agenda by mobilising local Tea Party opposition to tobacco taxes and smoke-free laws. This support for the tobacco companies’ agenda continues the tobacco industry use of AFP and FreedomWorks’ predecessor organisation, Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE), as a third-party ally since at least 1991.

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM

I’m so jealous that you get to post from space. :(
Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 4:04 PM

The view is nice too!

(Did you catch my reply to that last night? I thought I outdid myself )

LegendHasIt on October 12, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Nah, you are :)

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Well, OK — but not by other people. :)

Axe on October 12, 2013 at 4:19 PM

sorry I forgot to add and founded!

The tobacco companies and Koch industries funded AND FOUNDED the Tea Party since 2002.

In 2002, Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE), started its US Tea Party project. Its 2002 website stated:

Our US Tea Party is a national event, hosted continuously online and open to all Americans who feel our taxes are too high and the tax code is too complicated.

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Here is one of SIX academic studies:

om/content/early/2013/02/07/tobaccocontrol-2012-050815.abstract

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Only six?!?! Everyone knows six symbolizes imperfection and that seven represents heavenly perfection.

Nutstuyu on October 12, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Well, OK — but not by other people. :)

Axe on October 12, 2013 at 4:19 PM

You are that too…unless Soph is not “other people” :)

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 4:22 PM

the tobacco companies’ political agenda by mobilising local Tea Party opposition to tobacco taxes and smoke-free laws.
 
JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM

 
Plagiarism.
 

the tobacco companies’ political agenda by mobilizing local Tea Party opposition to tobacco taxes and smoke-free laws.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-demelle/study-confirms-tea-party-_b_2663125.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 4:25 PM

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Thank God that they did.

See how much dough Soros is making on your back, you oaf.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 4:26 PM

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 4:25 PM

BS!

My sentenced was pieced together with info from the PEER REVIEWED study that I already linked to and was just talking about!

http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/20/tobaccocontrol-2012-050815.full

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 4:29 PM

See how much dough Soros is making on your back, you oaf.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 4:26 PM

So you believe that Soros has/can fund more studies and universities than than the Koch brothers? https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/bravenew/pages/554/attachments/original/1338417456/Koch_Family_Foundations-ListofFundedProgramsAugust2011.pdf?1338417456

You don’t realize that the Koch brothers can each buy 100 Soros do you?

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 4:33 PM

I went to a few TEA party meetings / events.
Didn’t see many people smoking, much less carrying signs demanding that the Gummint quit making anti-smoking laws.

Most people smart enough to understand what the TEA party is really about are smart enough to not smoke too.

In the unlikely event that the Evil Koch Brothers started the TEA party to get the feds to make people smoke more cigarettes, and declare them cancer free, they sure wasted their money.

LegendHasIt on October 12, 2013 at 4:34 PM

You are that too…unless Soph is not “other people” :)

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 4:22 PM

dang it. I italicized “other” so I wouldn’t have to type this. :)

Other than Soph.

–This thread is starting to fill up with Rosie O’Donnell’s toilet reading material. I’ve never seen the place look so much like Daily Kos. I see one word about fire not melting steel — I’m out of here, man. :)

Axe on October 12, 2013 at 4:34 PM

The Plagiarizing Truther Troll puts in an appearance.

Someone ask it about Afghanistan and about how 9/11 and our subsequent toppling of the Taliban was all a grand capitalist conspiracy involving natural gas and pipelines — or something like that.

That should help boost its (in)credibilty on this topic. It really knows what it is cherry-picking, cutting, and pasting without attribution talking about.

farsighted on October 12, 2013 at 4:34 PM

the tobacco companies’ political agenda by mobilising local Tea Party opposition to tobacco taxes and smoke-free laws.

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Plagiarism.

the tobacco companies’ political agenda by mobilizing local Tea Party opposition to tobacco taxes and smoke-free laws.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-demelle/study-confirms-tea-party-_b_2663125.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

 
rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 4:25 PM

 
BS!
 
My sentenced was pieced together with info from the PEER REVIEWED study that I already linked to and was just talking about!
 
http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/20/tobaccocontrol-2012-050815.full
 
JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 4:29 PM

 
Ha. So you just happened to “piece it together” word for word, including hyphens, exactly as it was posted on HuffPo?
 
You should buy a lottery ticket.

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Ha. So you just happened to “piece it together” word for word, including hyphens, exactly as it was posted on HuffPo?

You should buy a lottery ticket.

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Too bad this isn’t college.. We could expel it..

melle1228 on October 12, 2013 at 4:43 PM

LegendHasIt on October 12, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Tobacco companies gave those Koch created Tea Party organizations millions of dollars to help fund efforts to engineer and organize “grassroots” advocates to speak against everything from federal tobacco regulation to smoking bans while the Koch brothers wanted to drastically lower corporate taxes, eliminate oversight of industry—especially environmental regulations

So they untied in their political efforts through the Koch founded organizations like Citizens for a Sound Economy, Americans for Prosperity Foundation, Tea Party Patriots, Freedom Works, November is Coming, Hands Off My Healthcare, the Institute of Liberty, and etc.

But hey if it makes you feel better just believe that all $235 million dollars from Koch industries was actually from Santa or grass roots activists or whatever you prefer to believe rather than the FACTS.

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 4:44 PM

to engineer and organize “grassroots” advocates to speak against everything from federal tobacco regulation to smoking bans
 
JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 4:44 PM

 
Plagiarism.
 

to engineer and organize “grassroots” advocates to speak against everything from federal tobacco regulation to smoking bans.
 
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/11/documents-reveal-tobacco-companies-funded-their-own-tea-party-first/

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 4:48 PM

oversight of industry—especially environmental regulation.
 
JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 4:44 PM

 
Plagiarism.
 

oversight of industry—especially environmental regulations
 
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Ha. So you just happened to “piece it together” word for word, including hyphens, exactly as it was posted on HuffPo?

You should buy a lottery ticket.

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 4:36 PM

There it is:

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=the+tobacco+companies%E2%80%99+political+agenda+by+mobilising+local+Tea+Party+opposition+to+tobacco+taxes+and+smoke-free+laws.&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C6&as_sdtp=

or

https://www.google.com/#q=the+tobacco+companies%E2%80%99+political+agenda+by+mobilizing+local+Tea+Party+opposition+to+tobacco+taxes+and+smoke-free+laws.

According to your logic FOX NEWS plagiarized from me!

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Wow these leftist reprobates like JTF have quite the conspiracy machine going. There are myriad wacko extremist websites that parrot the same crap he is plagiarizing here.

Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 4:53 PM

According to your logic FOX NEWS plagiarized from me!
 
JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 4:51 PM

 
Holy cow. You don’t even understand what plagiarism is.
 
I’m sure all your other points are sound, though.

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Why, those poor hicks in the TEA party, stupid hayseeds that thought they just wanted lower taxes, make their own medical choices, and have a smaller, Constitutional federal government were really dupes of the Evil Koch Brothers who want people to smoke more.

OK, I’m convinced. DOWN WITH THE TEA PARTY! They want people to get cancer, because the Koch Brothers pay them!!!

Down with Evil Cancer spreading, Cigarette pimp Ted Cruz!

Do you realize , JustTheFax, that even if you are slightly right about your accusations, what an idiot you show yourself to be with this line of argument?

I better send you one of my tin foil hats. The conspiracy rays are getting you badly

LegendHasIt on October 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM

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