Peter King: It’s Ted Cruz and Rand Paul who are the real RINOs

posted at 6:01 pm on October 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via RCP. Wait, wait, wait — before you start shaking your first at him, isn’t his point here oddly simpatico with what tea partiers say every day about Beltway squishes like King himself? It all depends on what benchmark you use to define “Republican.” The Republican establishment of the past 10 years has been fiercely interventionist, willing to bend on civil liberties in the name of fighting terrorism, and happy to back new entitlement programs like Medicare Part D so long as their guy’s in the White House. Rand Paul, by contrast, tilts towards isolationism, wants to sue the NSA over its Bush/Obama surveillance programs, and opposes virtually all new forms of government spending. By the standards of 2000-2010 Republicanism, he is, quite literally, a Republican in name only — which is precisely why tea partiers, who hate what the GOP’s become, like him. King’s point here is a silly but oddly penetrating gloss on the story of the last two weeks, namely, what does “Republican” mean in 2013? Righties who hurl “RINO” as an insult don’t really mean that the target isn’t a Republican, they mean that he isn’t a conservative. Is “conservative” still a synonym for “Republican”? Was it ever, even under Reagan? The Paul/Cruz wing is trying to co-opt and redefine the Republican brand, which is valuable because it already enjoys the allegiance of nearly half the country, but maybe it can’t be done — which is why political media is suddenly full of stories like these and Gallup is asking questions like this. In fact, the whole point of a goofy 2016 Peter King presidential candidacy is to push this question into the spotlight (as if it wouldn’t already be there by virtue of Christie’s and/or Bush’s much more serious candidacies). Which side of the party still controls the “Republican” brand? RINOs versus true conservatives in the World Series of love.

Since we’re on the subject, can anyone explain to me how this strategy by centrist House Republicans is supposedly going to checkmate their tea-party colleagues?

Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., is organizing a group of pragmatic conservatives, hoping to create a counterweight to the Tea Party-affiliated lawmakers that have thwarted House GOP leadership strategy leading up to, and during, the government shutdown.

Nunes corralled five Republican members, whom he declined to name, but told the Washington Examiner that he expects membership to grow to a dozen. Frustrated that a hardline minority of House Republicans stymied the strategies and legislation supported by a majority of the caucus, Nunes said the group intends to withhold their votes from any bill that does not garner the support of at least 208 of the 232 Republicans in the House.

Once 208 House Republicans get behind a particular legislative package, the Nunes group would deliver the final 10 votes needed to pass it. Nunes said the group’s chief priority is to prevent a minority of the caucus from blocking the will of the GOP majority. The Californian said his group will disband once the government shutdown ends and the battle over the debt ceiling concludes.

So, if 25 tea partiers in the House decided to vote no on one of Boehner’s measures because it’s not conservative enough, leaving him with 207 Republican votes, Nunes’s centrist gang will … also vote no, thereby helping the tea partiers by preventing passage? Why would he do that? The idea here, I guess, is that if Boehner ends up bringing a bill that’s backed by tea partiers, Nunes’s group will punish them and refuse to support unless they can get to 208 on their own. But … that shouldn’t be too hard. If tea partiers are fully on board with a particular bill and the leadership’s also on board, then the entire caucus has the political cover it needs to vote unanimously in favor. To create a real counterweight to the tea party, Nunes would need to find several dozen centrists, not just 10 or 12, who not only oppose tea-party policies but are willing to risk a primary to block them by withholding votes. And the only way he’ll get those centrists is if some sort of grassroots centrist counterweight to the tea party developed to support centrists in the primary. But that’s unlikely for simple psychological reasons: By definition, a centrist doesn’t see losing a political fight as a dire threat to the country the way someone on the left or right does. They don’t have the same motivation to turn out in the primaries to elect their guy as a conservative does. (Many centrists, I suspect, don’t pay close attention to politics, although whether that’s a cause or effect of their centrism is debatable.) And, despite David Frum’s fondest dreams, their annoyance at Cruz and Mike Lee for all this is unlikely to gestate into a grassroots movement. Which means Nunes is stuck at 10 or 12 and we’re left debating who the real “RINOs” are.


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Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Do you realize , JustTheFax, that even if you are slightly right about your accusations, what an idiot you show yourself to be with this line of argument?

I better send you one of my tin foil hats. The conspiracy rays are getting you badly

LegendHasIt on October 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM

It give its nom a very bad reputation.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 4:56 PM

According to your logic FOX NEWS plagiarized from me!
 
JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 4:51 PM

 
BTW, you don’t do yourself any favors with things like that.
 

By Judson Berger Published February 16, 2013 FoxNews.com
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/15/taxpayer-dollars-used-to-fund-study-tying-tea-party-to-tobacco-lobby/

 
See the problem yet?

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 4:59 PM

First is was just the fact that Ron Paul started the tea party, then it went straight lunatic extremist democrat and went all the way back to 2002.

Keep it up nutso!

Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Axe on October 12, 2013 at 4:34 PM

It’s been good for destroying Justtheplagiarizedfacts.

rogerb is simply brilliant!

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 4:59 PM

It give(s) its nom

Arguing with plagiarized facts is no fun. Let it sink in its toilet, the rat.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 5:00 PM

I agree the “RINO” tag has been overused so much that it has lost its meaning..:)

Dire Straits on October 12, 2013 at 5:01 PM

(Did you catch my reply to that last night? I thought I outdid myself )

LegendHasIt on October 12, 2013 at 4:18 PM

I did. It was good!

Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 5:02 PM

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” –Sinclair Lewis

From one of the lunatic democrat sites that JustTheFacts plagiarized from

Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Guys, didn’t you know that smoking was the organizing principle of the tea party?

tetriskid on October 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Testing..:)

Dire Straits on October 12, 2013 at 5:09 PM

How you guys are able to deny that Ron Paul’s supporters where the original tea party that was then co-opted by BILLIONAIRES to get conservatives to push their own political agenda is beyond me.

Do you guys still believe that all the scientists around the world are involved in a massive global conspiracy?

That’s the only conspiracy you believe in right?

That and Soros running all universities and studies as well as a global, Communist, Muslim, Fascist, take over by the supposedly Communist, Muslim, Fascist, Obama who is their leader?

But that’s all right?

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 5:23 PM

You don’t own the narrative.

Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Cards up 1-0 over the Dodgers.

Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 5:30 PM

How you guys are able to deny that Ron Paul’s supporters where the original tea party that was then co-opted by BILLIONAIRES to get conservatives to push their own political agenda is beyond me.
 
Do you guys still believe that all the scientists around the world are involved in a massive global conspiracy?
 
That’s the only conspiracy you believe in right?
 
That and Soros running all universities and studies as well as a global, Communist, Muslim, Fascist, take over by the supposedly Communist, Muslim, Fascist, Obama who is their leader?
 
But that’s all right?
 
JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 5:23 PM

 

I can certainly see why you plagiarize so much.

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 5:33 PM

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Twerk for us some more Miley.

Maybe it will make you relevant again, no that reality has passed you by.

LegendHasIt on October 12, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Remember all the times JTF attacked the left?

Yeah, me too.

Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Late to the party, but what a thread.

Watching the Republicans and the leftists openly work together to suppress conservatives is comedy gold.

ElectricPhase on October 12, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Back to back strikeouts to get out of a loaded bases jam in the 6th!

Murphy9 on October 12, 2013 at 5:45 PM

That and Soros running all universities and studies as well as a global, Communist, Muslim, Fascist, take over by the supposedly Communist, Muslim, Fascist, Obama who is their leader?
 
JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 5:23 PM

 
Seriously. Please plagiarize more.

rogerb on October 12, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Whatever King wants to call them, at least Cruz and Paul weren’t cheering and waving pom poms for Obama to bomb Syria as he was.

TonyR on October 12, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Well, I kind of agree. Republicans are squishy ankle grabbers and neither of these gents could be described as such.

kim roy on October 12, 2013 at 6:35 PM

How you guys are able to deny that Ron Paul’s supporters where the original tea party that was then co-opted by BILLIONAIRES to get conservatives to push their own political agenda is beyond me.

There appears to be a lot of things beyond you.

98ZJUSMC on October 12, 2013 at 6:44 PM

My sentenced was pieced together with info from the PEER REVIEWED study that I already linked to and was just talking about!

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 4:29 PM

That’s how you plagiarize. You cut fragments of other people’s writing, piece them together, then present the product as though you wrote it. It’s exactly what you admitted doing. That’s called plagiarizing. Now you know.

Are you very young?

How you guys are able to deny that Ron Paul’s supporters where the original tea party

Think about what you wrote.

The Tea Party was the original Tea Party.

Since that act that we’ve been enormously proud of as a country, we’ve been using “Tea Party” in ways reminiscent of the Tea Party. Like Ron Paul’s use. Like the Tea Party activists’ use. You producing sources for the words “Tea Party” that predate the recent Tea Party movement isn’t proving that one is related to the other, not in any sense beyond each claiming to have the same spirit of the original Tea Party.

At any time you want, you can stop believing that the Tea Party, or the “T.E.A. Party” for some people, was a national ground-swell of support for Ron Paul. It was and is not.

that was then co-opted by BILLIONAIRES to get conservatives to push their own political agenda

It’s perfectly reasonable to assume that everyone from the makers of accounting software to the makers of hair-colorant had board meetings where capitalizing on the Tea Party movement came up. The Tea Party was hijacked here and there by any number of people for any number of reasons — mostly by politicians trying to get elected. The truth is, it’s almost entirely a spirit outside of any formal political framework — a set of ideas. The reason you aren’t getting any traction with your argument is because many of us here are sympathetic to the Tea Party’s goal of limited government even though we’re sure we never put on our Koch Industries, Commemorative Issue programming helmets (they’re worth more in the original packaging).

At any time you want, you can stop believing that the millions upon millions of people that consider themselves in sympathy with the Tea Party’s ideals are morons who got up one day and decided to be led by the nose by wicked overlords trying to sell cigarettes. Conservatives are not “fundamentally stupid sheeple.” — At least not unusually. That’s a prejudice the people you are reading like to entertain. You should get new intellectual friends — the one’s you have are arrogant, self-worshiping jerks who can’t see the world around them.

is beyond me.

Almost everything is going to be beyond you, if you can’t learn to think for yourself. I mean that literally — understanding, which is excellent, will not be available to you, and that would be tragic.

Do you guys still believe that all the scientists around the world are involved in a massive global conspiracy?

That’s the only conspiracy you believe in right?

That’s usually called a “straw-man” argument, where you presuppose something false (set-up a straw man) and then insist your opponent defend it. In this case, you’ve exaggerated something to make it ridiculous, then implied your exaggeration is ridiculous. Yes it is. But “we guys” don’t believe any such thing. And notice I don’t bite the hook because I can see it shining.

That and Soros running all universities and studies as well as a global, Communist, Muslim, Fascist, take over by the supposedly Communist, Muslim, Fascist, Obama who is their leader?

But that’s all right?

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 5:23 PM

^ You’re excellent at straw men.

Did you learn anything? This took forever to type. Leave the herd — be a whole person. We’re smarter, our houses much less frequently smell like vomit, and our chicks are so much hotter it’s just not fair.

I apologize for any bad edits — I’m getting interrupted continually.

Axe on October 12, 2013 at 7:07 PM

How you guys are able to deny that Ron Paul’s supporters where the original tea party that was then co-opted by BILLIONAIRES to get conservatives to push their own political agenda is beyond me.

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Dude. Are you high? Settle down already.

Bmore on October 12, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Why is this idiot’s Mug (Peter King) still clogging up the Hotair homepage. Attacks by leftist Republicans like Peter King and John McRino on the Tea Party are not news, they’re boring and very predictable.

Afterseven on October 12, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Peter King is still looking for who took the strawberries.

rgranger on October 12, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Seriously, Peter, do you really think that you have any credibility or influence left?

mobydutch on October 12, 2013 at 8:26 PM

I hope this piece of garbage is hit by a Bus in a New York crosswalk and 200 New Yorker’s roll over his carcass and one drags it to Upstate New York.

Tbone McGraw on October 12, 2013 at 8:43 PM

How you guys are able to deny that Ron Paul’s supporters where the original tea party that was then co-opted by BILLIONAIRES…

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 5:23 PM

It’s “were”…did you finish school?

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2013 at 8:49 PM

I respect Sen. Bernie Saunders much more than McCain or Peter King.

At least Bernie is upfront and honest about his socialism.

Norwegian on October 12, 2013 at 9:17 PM

But hey if it makes you feel better just believe that all $235 million dollars from Koch industries was actually from Santa or grass roots activists or whatever you prefer to believe rather than the FACTS.

JustTheFacts on October 12, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Do you have a picture of a GOP presidential hopeful hanging out with the Koch brothers like we have of your thug-in-chief hanging out with fellow anti-american Soros?

You know, then the little fascist used the power of government to target conservatives with their brown-shirts in the the IRS. This is fact, and no bogus peer-review is required.

Was anything as phony as your occupy movement?

ClassicCon on October 12, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Akzed on October 12, 2013 at 2:05

That was outstanding.
retiredeagle on October 12, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Thank you (Colonel?), but it wasn’t original. I linked to the source. It is indeed outstanding.

Akzed on October 13, 2013 at 12:55 AM

pragmatic conservatives,

Which is a world apart from pragmatic republicans who believe by default, in capitulation, compromise, going along to get along, obstructing true opposition, and mimicking their socialist friends across the aisle.

The big question is why they seek to view their citizen base as a bigger enemy than they do those who clearly seek to take away our freedom-even in the face of party destroying revolt.

Don L on October 13, 2013 at 4:10 AM

King Nothing.

Sherman1864 on October 13, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Via RCP. Wait, wait, wait — before you start shaking your first at him, isn’t his point here oddly simpatico with what tea partiers say every day about Beltway squishes like King himself? It all depends on what benchmark you use to define “Republican.”

This is the biggest takeaway, really. At the same time, we can’t use “CINO” as often as we should, mainly because “conservative” is a label and not a registered political affiliation, never mind that rhinos and dinosaurs are catchy associations and actually exist. You can be a Republican, and freely not ever have to cop to any level of conservatism in your policymaking. The endgame of the “big tent” strategy, so to speak.

mintycrys on October 13, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Don L on October 13, 2013 at 4:10 AM

It’s because they serve their masters and not the voters.

chewmeister on October 13, 2013 at 9:52 AM

“We have to take a stand here.”

We are, you are just jealous because you aren’t included.

Bmore on October 13, 2013 at 10:28 AM

There are people with guts, fortitude and values. Then there is Peter King.

RZuendt on October 13, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Im sorry but when a gutless GOP hack goes on MSNBC, primarily to bad mouth another politician…..i generally side with the other politician.

Come on, if you are slithering over to MSNBC, you are already ceding logic and reason, and hoping the left wing anger machine gives you an “atta boy” for slandering a conservative.

Peter King has become an whiny ego monster willing to lick any pair of boots to gain an ally in his bitter war against his own irrelevance.

Disgusting.

Whats worse, the GOP would gladly have all Peter Kings rather than one Ted Cruz.

alecj on October 13, 2013 at 11:01 AM

This is frightening on several levels. Granted, it’s all semantics, but the reality is that the base of the Republican Party, a full half to two thirds, have been swinging farther to the right, becoming more conservative as the truths about Obamacare and the President’s agenda are brought more to the collective mind of Republican voters. The fact that Peter King is calling Cruz and Paul “RINOs” is symptomatic of the real problem: Republicans, at least the kind that are entrenched in the establishment and that Peter King represent, are not conservatives. What King does NOT realize is that this is a war – a schism in the party because real conservatives are rising up to wrest the helm of the Republican Party away from middle of the road, go along to get along, wishy-washy on principles, please keep me in office politicians like King who consider themselves moderate. People like King are why we are in this mess and he might as well be caucusing with the Democrats for all the good he does us. Can’t Priebus get this man to shut up? If he can’t agree with his fellow Republicans, then at least he could keep his mouth shut.

eyesights on October 13, 2013 at 11:13 AM

This is frightening on several levels. Granted, it’s all semantics, but the reality is that the base of the Republican Party, a full half to two thirds, have been swinging farther to the right, becoming more conservative as the truths about Obamacare and the President’s agenda are brought more to the collective mind of Republican voters. The fact that Peter King is calling Cruz and Paul “RINOs” is symptomatic of the real problem: Republicans, at least the kind that are entrenched in the establishment and that Peter King represent, are not conservatives. What King does NOT realize is that this is a war – a schism in the party because real conservatives are rising up to wrest the helm of the Republican Party away from middle of the road, go along to get along, wishy-washy on principles, please keep me in office politicians like King who consider themselves moderate. People like King are why we are in this mess and he might as well be caucusing with the Democrats for all the good he does us. Can’t Priebus get this man to shut up? If he can’t agree with his fellow Republicans, then at least he could keep his mouth shut.

eyesights on October 13, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Reince Priebus has power? News to me.

The GOPe is simply a dead husk of a political party controlled by Socialists like McCant, Grahamnesty and King Peter the III, and they want to kick the conservatives kicked out for good. They want the party to be torn asunder by an ideological civil war, so they can blame the conservatives when that happens.

I will not hesitate to jump ship to a third party. I didn’t leave the GOPe… the GOPe left me.

Myron Falwell on October 13, 2013 at 1:04 PM

So long, Pete ……. don’t let the door hit you …….

listens2glenn on October 13, 2013 at 1:33 PM

HEY NOR EASTERN & HIGHER UP REPUBLICANS, we tea party conservatives are NOT playing with you ANYMORE. We’re taking our money and going elsewhere and more importantly we’re NOT voting for you either.
Good Luck in 2016..NOT!

mmcnamer1 on October 13, 2013 at 1:51 PM

With King and McCain it’s not about anything to do with the party other than these old coots are losing their power to some young blood and they can’t handle it. They are addicted to the power that they and the Democrats think they have!!! At first I thought it was bout money then I realized that it’s the power they crave……..

Pomai on October 13, 2013 at 2:08 PM

King’s eye look like they are about to pop.

avagreen on October 13, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Vichy Republican getting his panties in a wad.
That is all…

shorebird on October 15, 2013 at 12:34 AM

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