McCain: The people behind the “defund ObamaCare” strategy must be held “accountable”

posted at 3:21 pm on October 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

The key bit comes at the very end, in response to a question about who’s responsible for the temporary suspension of death benefits to families of fallen troops. McCain’s answer: Everyone in Congress — but, implicitly, especially the “defund” caucus. You can tell how eager Maverick was to make that point by how quickly he turns a segment about the administration giving short shrift to the military — normally an easy lay-up for a Republican against a Democratic president — into a lament about Cruz et al. I’m not sure a guy who’s positioned himself as the lead Republican opponent of the “wacko birds” should be ruminating on holding people accountable, but if he’s leaning towards not running again in 2016, he’s got nothing to lose. No doubt he’s enjoying sticking it to tea partiers immensely.

If nothing else, this clip illustrates the slightly (but only slightly) exaggerated truth that “there are now two Republican parties.” Case in point:

Tea Party Republicans approve of the job congressional Republicans are doing by a 72%-25% margin. However, a plurality of NON-Tea Party Republicans disapprove by a 49%-42% In addition, 69% of Tea Party Republicans believe the GOP is demonstrating strong leadership and standing up for what they believe in, versus 29% of them who say they’re putting their political agenda ahead of what’s good for the country. But those numbers are reversed among NON-Tea Party Republicans — 53% say they’re putting politics first, while 41% think Republicans are standing up for what they believe in. And then there’s this: Among Tea Party Republicans, Ted Cruz has a 52%-4% fav/unfav rating. But among non-Tea Party it’s 13%-23%.

Either that rift is healed in the next two years or the primary campaign in 2015 is going to be … really something. One question for the “defund” supporters, though: If this really was about trying to build consensus in Congress to stop O-Care, why is Mark Begich claiming that none of the defunders ever met with him to pitch him on joining them in voting no? He’s a red-state Democrat who’s up for reelection next year; it’s unlikely that he’d break ranks with his caucus, but if any Dem is going to, it’s one who’s in Begich’s position. Instead, he claims, “The only time Ted Cruz said something to me was when I was literally coming to the floor, you know the two tables down by the desk there where you cast your vote. He said, ‘You should vote for this.’ That was it.” Could be that Begich is lying, of course, but if he’s going to lie, there are more self-serving lies he could tell than that one. E.g., “I have grave concerns about ObamaCare, and Senators Cruz and Lee begged to meet with me about them. But once they threatened to shut down the government, I told them ‘Hell, no!’” A lie along those lines would please Alaska GOPers by signaling his alleged “concerns” about O-Care and Alaska Democrats by punching Cruz and Lee. And showing that he was opposed to the shutdown would please both. Instead, he’s making the lesser claim that no one on the defund side ever tried to meet with him. That makes me think it’s true, and if it’s true, why is it true? What did defunders have to lose by feeling him out to see what he’d need to conceivably vote with Republicans against Reid’s amendment stripping the “defund” provisions out of the House bill? Remember, Reid could have lost as many as three Democrats on that and still passed it by simple majority, so he might have let Begich cross the aisle in order to protect himself with reddish Alaska voters. Why not try?



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McCain…He is a treacherous scoundrel.

ajacksonian on October 11, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Yes, quite so and indeed.

Lourdes on October 11, 2013 at 4:51 PM

BigSven on October 11, 2013 at 4:18 PM

How tall are you? We may have to debate our names. Lol

Sven on October 11, 2013 at 4:52 PM

With Obamacare, will there be mandatory mental health tests? I’m thinking quite a few Senators and Reps would flunk, lol. Who am I kidding. They’ll cheat.

Fallon on October 11, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Someone tweeted the other day that they wanted mandatory drug testing for all members of Congress and the WH.

I’d support that.

Lourdes on October 11, 2013 at 4:53 PM

I’m kinda glad that McCain didn’t win in ’08. He might have ruined the GOP brand for decades. It’s better to have a liberal in office that everyone knows is a liberal.

cajunpatriot on October 11, 2013 at 4:54 PM

McCain…He is a treacherous scoundrel.

ajacksonian on October 11, 2013 at 4:43 PM

You’re just blaming McCain for a much wider and broader split. What about all the other traitors… Koch brothers next?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/11/us/kochs-and-other-conservatives-split-over-strategy-on-health-law.html?_r=0

As long as the Tea Party jumps from issue to issue, without an effective legislative strategy (think normal Congressional appropriations process as a starting point), the fissures will only continue to spread. And believe it or not, a majority of the electorate wants to elect leaders that are effective at running the government, not shutting it down.

bayam on October 11, 2013 at 4:55 PM

“The fact that the ObamaCare website is a complete clusterbungle that is totally inoperative is 100% INTENTIONAL.”

SailorMark on October 11, 2013 at 4:41 PM

A good read.

Lourdes on October 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM

And believe it or not, a majority of the electorate wants to elect leaders that are effective at running the government, not shutting it down.

bayam on October 11, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Both Obama’s AND McCain’s re-elections prove that allegation inaccurate.

Lourdes on October 11, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Career politician suffering death throes is tough to watch, huh?

Increasingly obtuse. Random Attacks. Shrill. Crusty spittle visible in closeups. Get Off My Lawn Memos sent without proofreading, without spell check.

Can you hear it? … it’s the sound of your lawn trimmer battery wearing down … trying to clip those last few blades but … wwwhhhhh wwwhh whw w w w …

It’s not coming from your backyard, though. It’s coming from AZ.

Hospice called they want their patient back.

There can only be One Maverick, McMaverick. Just One.

And he’s from TX.

LetsBfrank on October 11, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Nasty,nasty old man!

redware on October 11, 2013 at 5:01 PM

I really wish McCain would retire early.

Dasher on October 11, 2013 at 5:03 PM

And those who block the defunding of ObamaCare should be held accountable! Send McCain home to his wife.

Delsa on October 11, 2013 at 5:03 PM

BigSven on October 11, 2013 at 4:18 PM

How tall are you? We may have to debate our names. Lol

Sven on October 11, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Unwise for Sven to call out BigSven. :) Wait for next open and grab ReallyBigSven, or even better, ConcealedCarrySven.

Axe on October 11, 2013 at 5:04 PM

without an effective legislative strategy (think normal Congressional appropriations process as a starting point),

that’s rich right there. John Roberts rewrote the law to change the fine aspect to a tax so he could deem it constitutional and yet laws to produce tax revenues are supposed to originate in the house, They couldn’t resolve that problem when the drunk Kennedy died and Scott Brown got elected but oh well. Effective legislative strategy is whatever liberals say it is when they have the majority and man do they ever have it now as we all know.

DanMan on October 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM

One question for the “defund” supporters, though: If this really was about trying to build consensus in Congress to stop O-Care, why is Mark Begich claiming that none of the defunders ever met with him to pitch him on joining them in voting no?

What a Congressman, especially a Democrat Congressman, says has almost zero impact on determining the veracity of asserted facts.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM

BigSven on October 11, 2013 at 4:18 PM

How tall are you? We may have to debate our names. Lol

Sven on October 11, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Snicker.

Resist We Much on October 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM

…party of three?

mjbrooks3 on October 11, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Still hoping for political solution?

bgibbs1000 on October 11, 2013 at 5:07 PM

It makes me sick to my stomach to know that I voted for McCain. I thank the Lord Almighty that I don’t live in Arizona, so only have a single such transgression on my conscience.

besser tot als rot on October 11, 2013 at 5:07 PM

I really wish McCain would retire early.

Dasher on October 11, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Your wishes are far kinder than mine.

Midas on October 11, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Unwise for Sven to call out BigSven. :) Wait for next open and grab ReallyBigSven, or even better, ConcealedCarrySven.

Axe on October 11, 2013 at 5:04 PM

I am 6’5″ so I feel pretty safe! I like the ConcealedCarrySven though!

Sven on October 11, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Fool. Loser. Jerk.

shinty on October 11, 2013 at 5:13 PM

The BigSven Shark tries to bite the tiny legs of the SvenShark

faraway on October 11, 2013 at 5:14 PM

What a pathetic little man. I don’t care if he was a POW or not. He has not a single ounce of integrity.

fight like a girl on October 11, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Unwise for Sven to call out BigSven. :) Wait for next open and grab ReallyBigSven, or even better, ConcealedCarrySven.

Axe on October 11, 2013 at 5:04 PM

.44 Magnum Sven? .50 BMG Sven?

novaculus on October 11, 2013 at 5:15 PM

McCain…He is a treacherous scoundrel.

ajacksonian on October 11, 2013 at 4:43 PM

And worse. He exists to do nothing but raise entropy, which he’s done in spades with that moron daughter of his. That whole family needs to just go away.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 11, 2013 at 5:16 PM

McCain, would you just shut up and sit down! You’ve had your time. You’re old news, and you just keep embarrassing yourself.

JeffPBlues on October 11, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Call his local offices in Arizona and let him know what you think.

Hammer him on Facebook, etc.

PappyD61 on October 11, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Civil War in the gop!!

Progressives versus the people!!

Bring it.

PappyD61 on October 11, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Really, Really Big Sven.

Resist We Much on October 11, 2013 at 5:24 PM

I cannot believe I voted for this man….

As it turns out, the 2008 election really didn’t offer a clear choice.

Could’ve picked the guy that hates conservatives.
Or could’ve picked the other guy that hates conservatives.

jjjdad on October 11, 2013 at 5:26 PM

I wonder when McCain slipped into senility? He must have oozed across the line at some point in the past.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 11, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Really, Really Big Sven.

Resist We Much on October 11, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Does that name make my @ss look fat?

Sven on October 11, 2013 at 5:26 PM

GiantSven

Schadenfreude on October 11, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Does that name make my @ss look fat?

Sven on October 11, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Nah, you’re 6’5″ (as was my ex husband…well, he actually had .5 inch on ya).

Just think, even if Nanny Doomberg stood on his wallet, he’d never be taller than Really, Really Big Sven.

Resist We Much on October 11, 2013 at 5:28 PM

The biggest fool on Capitol Hill is John McCain, and only an idiot would send him on an errand.

Another Drew on October 11, 2013 at 5:29 PM

I cannot believe I voted for this man….
As it turns out, the 2008 election really didn’t offer a clear choice.

I voted for Sarah.

Another Drew on October 11, 2013 at 5:30 PM

RINO McCain must be voted out of office.

sadatoni on October 11, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Axe on October 11, 2013 at 4:25 PM

That was actually quite good. At first I thought you were going for the deranged bush baby thing… since he’s beginning to sort of look like one… but then I realize you were going for substance. Very good.

thatsafactjack on October 11, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Hey McCain – BITE ME. I can’t even muster respect for his service anymore.

ctmom on October 11, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Its as simple as this. Ted Cruz and I and perhaps some of you. We will be here long after McCain is gone. It really is that simple. I for one am sticking with Cruz.

Bmore on October 11, 2013 at 5:39 PM

There’s no scenario where Democrats have “no other choice.” They can choose to let the shutdown play out and see where the chips fall politically, to build pressure on one party or the other.

If this is a simple matter of the GOP holding together and getting what they want, why not hold out for Obama’s resignation?

Allahpundit on October 11, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Obama was forced to sign the bill to pay the families of deceased troops.

Piecemeal could work if GOP stay on message like liberals.

the_nile on October 11, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Piecemeal could definitely work. All that’s necessary is to meet every demand for an all-encompassing CR with, “That’s called a budget, and the Senate hasn’t passed one since 2007. We sent them a budget earlier this year, and they did nothing. When they get serious enough to consider a budget, we’ll work with them. Until then, all continuing resolutions will be piece by piece.”

The whole reason we’re talking about continuing resolutions is that the Senate won’t pass a budget. Force them to own that failure first before telling us what else they want.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 11, 2013 at 5:39 PM

McCain is living proof we have a One Party system running the country…

Karmi on October 11, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Shorter McCain: Their f*cking with my power here on the Hill, and I’ll have none of it. Where’s my box of Depends?

socalcon on October 11, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Either McCain is going senile or he’s become a Democrat or both. But he’s right about accountability. Hopefully his constituents will run him out of office at the next opportunity.

zoyclem on October 11, 2013 at 5:40 PM

How are Cruz and Lee going to be held accountable? They were basically just elected in. This is McCain being a hack for his Dem media buddies, and I regret my vote for him in 2008.

mwbri on October 11, 2013 at 3:33 PM

McCain by now is predictable in these statements and when he makes them: his intent continues to appear to be to insult the Right. Something about his personality just can’t stand any confidence among the Right and though he seems to root around to find some timely point to make, respective to when he makes these statements, that is rooted in reality legislatively but is motivated instead by an uglier, personally embittered point of view about the Right (thus, he’ll find something that sounds keyed to the times but are motivated by something bent in his mind about others).

Does he ever speak out when Democrats, Liberals, effect bad times and engage in bad moves?

I never agree with “all” views by every Republican or anyone else. None of us is a clone of another. I do think it’s wrong on a personal level to knock people when they’re making constructive efforts toward a respectable goal. But that seems to be what motivates McCain, to knock any constructive movement on the Right.

Lourdes on October 11, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Isn’t this exactly what McCain did all during the Bush administration?

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 11, 2013 at 5:40 PM

As long as the Tea Party jumps from issue to issue, without an effective legislative strategy (think normal Congressional appropriations process as a starting point), the fissures will only continue to spread. And believe it or not, a majority of the electorate wants to elect leaders that are effective at running the government, not shutting it down.

bayam on October 11, 2013 at 4:55 PM

And the ones shutting it down are Harry Reid and Barack Obama by not negotiating. What can the electorate do about them, huh?

ajacksonian on October 11, 2013 at 5:41 PM

RINO McCain must be voted out of office.

sadatoni on October 11, 2013 at 5:33 PM

I’d rather see him dragged and thrown out office … preferably by rabid squirrels.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 11, 2013 at 5:41 PM

We will be here long after McCain is gone. It really is that simple.

Bmore on October 11, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Silver lining: we can piss on his grave. Thanks, that helps some.

socalcon on October 11, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Karmi on October 11, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Bmore on October 11, 2013 at 5:45 PM

bayam on October 11, 2013 at 4:55 PM

And the one jumping from issue to issue is Barack Obama trying to engineer a budget crisis and a spending crisis at the same time. It’s a press conference here, a castigating Wall Street there, and sending out the NPS to close places that are Public Land and many of them never having anyone at them in the first place. Thus wasting federal funds.

The Tea Party has been consistent: Stop The Spending.

Strange to say it, but all spending starts in the House, not the Senate or White House. The House has passed plenty of legislation to get the government going again… yet that just never makes it past the Senate. Yes that Harry Reid is just using an ineffective means of blocking up government to get his way, because he hasn’t been able to get a BUDGET passed in the Senate in YEARS.

Boy, howdy, that guy needs to go, huh? Maybe the good people of NV will remind him he is there to LEGISLATE not be an OBSTACLE.

ajacksonian on October 11, 2013 at 5:46 PM

RasThavas on October 11, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Spot on RasThavas. Been saying the same thing for years, and I can’t stand it when someone refers to that incompetent moron as a hero.

Fazman on October 11, 2013 at 5:46 PM

That was actually quite good. At first I thought you were going for the deranged bush baby thing… since he’s beginning to sort of look like one… but then I realize you were going for substance. Very good.

thatsafactjack on October 11, 2013 at 5:35 PM

:)

Axe on October 11, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Cyborg Sven.

Axe on October 11, 2013 at 5:48 PM

McCain is in a panic. He better watch out for stroke symptoms..

katy on October 11, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Being a victim of a stroke is a resume enhancement in Congress.

slickwillie2001 on October 11, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Here’s hoping his career is massively enhanced, multiple times, this very evening.

Kent18 on October 11, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Cyborg Sven.

Axe on October 11, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Maybe I can pull all the liberals into the collective and send them on a one way trip to the Sun, then they can truly experience global warming from the source.

Sven on October 11, 2013 at 5:52 PM

Svenzilla.

Axe on October 11, 2013 at 5:52 PM

The more popular Cruz becomes, the angrier this old relic becomes.

RdLake on October 11, 2013 at 5:54 PM

McSenile needs to go the home.

He’s a moron and far too liberal.

dogsoldier on October 11, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Maybe I can pull all the liberals into the collective and send them on a one way trip to the Sun, then they can truly experience global warming from the source.

Sven on October 11, 2013 at 5:52 PM

Already in a collective. :) As for the trip, I’ll pitch in for gas.

Axe on October 11, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Already in a collective. :) As for the trip, I’ll pitch in for gas.

Axe on October 11, 2013 at 5:54 PM

No gas needed, they are full of it.

Sven on October 11, 2013 at 5:56 PM

bayam on October 11, 2013 at 4:55 PM

My problems with Sen. McCain start with the Amnesty engineered under Reagan and the promise to fix the border problem back then: he was there.

Then comes his lovely ideas to try and get low powered, neighborhood radio stopped, utilizing frequencies that larger stations weren’t using in a given locale. Can’t have that!

After that is trying to control cable companies via their use of localities letting them run cable out to homes. Its as if he didn’t realize the federal government doesn’t control that.

Then there was his bright idea in the 1990′s to create a three tiered military system in which only 1/3 of the military was ready to do anything at a given time. That was an asinine idea from the word GO, especially how Clinton was deploying the military at the time… and HW Bush too.

Then comes the ‘accidental’ journey of Sen. McCain to a Oleg Deripaska’s boat on the Mafioso’s birthday. Purely a problem with his staff not recognizing that he is Putin’s right hand man. Really, Sen. McCain’s staff sucks to let him do that.

Almost as bad as it sucks in putting him in with the ‘rebels’ in Syria and then having known criminals appear in photos with him. Maybe he needs someone to do a better job of finding staff for him because, once more, they get the blame.

Border fence promise? He didn’t even try to support that. Say where is the Left about passed legislation not getting funded, anyway?

I’m sorry but my gripes with Sen. McCain go back a couple of DECADES. And those are just the easiest things to tick off in my way of gripes about him… so you can’t say I’m ‘turning’ on him as I haven’t thought much of his performance in the Senate.

ajacksonian on October 11, 2013 at 5:57 PM

…I do think it’s wrong on a personal level to knock people when they’re making constructive efforts toward a respectable goal. But that seems to be what motivates McCain, to knock any constructive movement on the Right.

Lourdes on October 11, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Isn’t this exactly what McCain did all during the Bush administration?

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 11, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Yes, it is.

Lourdes on October 11, 2013 at 5:57 PM

I didnt think I would come to hate this man, but I have. I hate him, and the rest of the establishment.

Instead of pointing out that the government shutdown was not bad, and only MADE bad in some areas at the Obama Admin’s choosing, he goes after the ONLY people looking to restore this country.

After the recent cave, we damn well better take out as many of the GOP establishment in 2014 as possible.

bucsox79 on October 11, 2013 at 5:57 PM

You know what was a fool’s errand, John McCain? Your nomination for President. No wonder your daughter is such a fool, with a fool like you for a father.

disa on October 11, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Why doesn’t he just caucus with the Democrats? It’s not like he has a conservative/Republican view on any main issue. I despise that man

specialkayel on October 11, 2013 at 6:02 PM

The little midget and his puppet L. Graham are water boys for the Democrats

HAGGS99 on October 11, 2013 at 6:03 PM

As long as the Tea Party jumps from issue to issue, without an effective legislative strategy (think normal Congressional appropriations process as a starting point)…

bayam on October 11, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Because the Senate has been following normal budgetary process since Obama became President.

Resist We Much on October 11, 2013 at 6:05 PM

McCain’s been reading the posts of Allahpundit and thinks the government is completely shutdown, rather than only partially shutdown.

Basilsbest on October 11, 2013 at 6:08 PM

What is the point of the GOP? If they won’t got to the mat to stop this Obamacare crap, why do we need them? Why donate one more penny? What is the point of putting them back in charge of the Whitehouse? When they had control of the government, they merely used the power for personal enrichment. They have never once even tried to reduce the size of Government!

When the Dems get power they use it to advance their Marxist vision no matter the political cost.

Kjeil on October 11, 2013 at 6:12 PM

BigSven on October 11, 2013 at 4:18 PM

How tall are you? We may have to debate our names. Lol

Sven on October 11, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Crivens!

PersonFromPorlock on October 11, 2013 at 6:17 PM

He must have started to feel out of place with all the headlines going to others. Guess he thought it was time to some media time and what a better way than to bash conservatives. He knows he’ll get lots of face time doing that

jaywemm on October 11, 2013 at 6:18 PM

“They shut down the government with a fool’s errand that would not succeed, and that’s a fact.”

It only fails if you surrender!

RJL on October 11, 2013 at 6:19 PM

So, John, and your other buddy John,,,

Where is Sgt. Jerry Michael Shriver, S.O.G. 1-0 team lead, Special Forces, Army, MIA ,,,,gone missing on a bomb damage mission screwed up by LBJ moveing B-52′s off the orginal mission.

Any chance you two bed wetting sleep over mates have any thing in common other than you two think of yourselves first every time.

GDYATHYRIO

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 11, 2013 at 6:19 PM

He actually believes there are Republicans who would take his side against Cruz?

LMAO … and I voted for this ass.

HondaV65 on October 11, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Kerry and McCain are ugly in sprit enough that both of them could be big boss Mullas in the new Obama Nation.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 11, 2013 at 6:21 PM

OT/Anyone know how to grow 7.5 inches? I’m suddenly feeling . . . “below target.”

****.

Axe on October 11, 2013 at 6:21 PM

McCain is right that it was a fool’s errand but rather than pursue his idiotic strategy to “hold people accountable” we should just quietly change tactics and sweep this very bad idea under the rug. Time to move on with better ideas which actually advance the ball across the goal line.

Buy Danish on October 11, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Can we send this disgusting puke of a senator back to Hanoi permanently?

bgibbs1000 on October 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Can we send this disgusting puke of a senator back to Hanoi permanently?

bgibbs1000 on October 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM

O_O..*face palm*..:(

Dire Straits on October 11, 2013 at 6:28 PM

PersonFromPorlock on October 11, 2013 at 6:17 PM

 
Ach! Bigjobs!

rogerb on October 11, 2013 at 6:30 PM

I voted for this jerk. What a downer.

GaltBlvnAtty on October 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM
I did my best to point out the foible inherent in McCain as nominee. But was maligned all over for it.

I tried to tell people the error of McCain as nominee, I knew he’d lose and I think his entire point WAS to lose for the GOP.

Lourdes on October 11, 2013 at 3:59 PM
I remember your doing what you say here, and I agreed with you. McCain was not my primary favorite, but I voted for him in the general election. Listening to him now, reflecting on my vote is a downer.

GaltBlvnAtty on October 11, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Get a grip, Allah.

Reid wouldn’t let McCain off the floor to change his Depends much less allow just ONE of his red state Democrats defect, even for a show vote.

The man has BALLS, and seems to know how to use them, unlike most of the members of BOTH houses, and BOTH parties.

When do we take away the credit card and put it in the freezer or just cut it up?

ever?

EVER?

BUELLER?

Even with public opinion on the side of not raising the debt ceiling the pathetic RINO’s cave just like we knew they would, for one of the three greatest lies.

Tenwheeler on October 11, 2013 at 6:35 PM

I voted for the Klondike Barbie part of the 2008 ticket, not the old white guy.

PappyD61 on October 11, 2013 at 6:38 PM

I see a lot of “Establishment” Republicans are attacking Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, especially John McCain. The problem is those “Establishment” type play a short game instead of a long game, while their opponents on the other side of the aisle play a long game. Regardless of your feelings on Senators Cruz, Lee, Paul et al. you should step back and look at the long view. If the Republican Party is going to be a viable party in the future the groundwork needs to be laid now. It is not about any single issue not even the ACA (Obamacare). It is about creating an identity that is different than your opponents. The two party system only works when there are two distinct parties, not two shades of the same party. To the Republican Establishment If you give the people the choice between democrat and democrat-light don’t act surprised when the democrat wins.

JKotthoff on October 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Sorry but this whole thing was poorly thought out and poorly executed. McCain is an idiot and because this shutdown was bungled he will now have more power than he did beforehand.

The GOP isn’t going to get anything out of this…

WisCon on October 11, 2013 at 6:42 PM

King and McCain should be chained together at the ankle and be forced to walk the proverbial plank into the ocean of retirement oblivion where they belong.

http://www.imperfectamerica.com

imperfectamerica on October 11, 2013 at 6:46 PM

o/t, I had an incredibly schadenfreudelicious flashback earlier today. Between the 2008 election and the inauguration, I remember hearing a voicemail message left at a business (I think it was one of the those auto-detailers) where the woman was complaining about the prices and said, ‘You just wait until Obama gets into office. We gonna be rich! And, we gonna f you up.’

I wonder how that’s working out for her. I saw Tavis Smiley earlier saying that Obama has been a disaster for African-Americans economically.

‘We gonna be rich!’

Or maybe not.

Resist We Much on October 11, 2013 at 6:46 PM

JKotthoff on October 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM

That is why the Republicans are looking to Replace the electorate with more regressives through immigration. So there can be two viable regressive parties to choose from. By the way, it works great for them. The regressive Democrat party drives the nation extremely left. The people revolt and who do they elect? Democrat Light Regressives who then slow the lurching to maybe tolerable, but what you going to do, re-elect the Democrats? OK< well, fine then, We Win Anyways!

astonerii on October 11, 2013 at 6:51 PM

McCain is just spitting out what his gang are saying behind the scenes

You knew the fix was in when they stopped saying ‘Oobamacare’ and started saying ‘Paul Ryan’

They picked up the ‘stop obamacare’ chant enough to get the WH invite. They came out with this

1. fund everything including Obamacare
2. cut back sequester
3. change a medical device tax for their cronies
4. Centerpiece Paul Ryan to represent them in negotiating cuts (Social Security and Medicare)
5. Make the Tea Party the fall guy

Ryan was chosen as a kick in the face to Tea Party. Zuckerberg’s boy makes good

lily liver craven crony lying cowards

They are going to move fast on amnesty, which is what Ryan has been ‘secretly’ working on since the last amnesty. Amnesty will be part of their ‘concession’ to Obama

Has to be locked in before the next election

It’s War

entagor on October 11, 2013 at 6:51 PM

The GOP isn’t going to get anything out of this…

WisCon on October 11, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Actually what the “GOP” is going to get out of this is a whole lot of unhappy former supporters. There is not going to be any reason for the TP types to pull the lever for a party that thinks as poorly of us as the Dems do.

katiejane on October 11, 2013 at 6:53 PM

I can,t do anything about McCain but there maybe a good chance that we voters here in S.C. can rid you if his lapdog Graham.The lapdog is facing 3 primary challengers. All of them are good conservatives.The last poll i saw had Graham below 50% in a 4 way race.He has to get 50%plus 1 or he will face a run off.The polls show him losing in a run off.I along with other tea party members are working as hard as we can to make this come true.I hope all of you will help us if you can.

logman1 on October 11, 2013 at 6:59 PM

McCain sux

jaime on October 11, 2013 at 7:03 PM

entagor on October 11, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Allegedly, Ryan also promised to ‘fix’ Obamacare in a way that one Republican aide said would make ‘Obamacare forever.’ Two of his fixes:

1. Tweak the work hours rule so that employers will not be able to turn their employees into part-time workers.

AND – SIT DOWN…

2. Give a carve out to unions.

The man deserves to be annihilated.

Resist We Much on October 11, 2013 at 7:06 PM

must be held “accountable”

…for what?…the Keating Five?

KOOLAID2 on October 11, 2013 at 7:07 PM

AP, Mark Levin is calling this WSJ/NBC poll a fraud and he is irate to say the least!!

Read & refer to http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/10/10/about-that-nbcwsj-poll-that-killed-republicans-on-the-shutdown/

After reading that, I agree with Levin.

bluefox on October 11, 2013 at 7:09 PM

State of AZ should be held accountable for sending a senile, backstabbing POS to Washington over and over again. All I can think of is that the AZ repubs like taking it in the a$$.

Doomsday on October 11, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Take a look at the Drudge Headline.

bluefox on October 11, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Did they defeat the medical device tax? That’s good. At least there is that.

petunia on October 11, 2013 at 7:21 PM

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