CBS: ObamaCare launch “nothing short of disastrous”

posted at 8:41 am on October 10, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday, Jan Crawford told CBS This Morning that the launch of the ObamaCare exchanges have been “nothing short of disastrous,” but it’s worth noting a day later. Why?  Despite the efforts to take down and revamp the Healthcare.gov website, nothing has changed — not the performance, not the promises, and not the administration’s refusal to release any of the stats on enrollees on Day 10 (via Ace):

House Republicans reminded IRS ObamaCare chief Sarah Ingram Hall during a hearing later yesterday on ObamaCare implementation that they wanted a delay all along, while Hall insisted that everything was hunky-dory on her end:

House Republicans said Wednesday that chaos in the first nine days of open enrollment under President Obama’s health care law would justify a delay in major provisions of the law, including tax penalties for people who go without insurance in 2014.

The comments came at a hearing of a House committee, where a senior official of the Internal Revenue Service said that its work on the new insurance marketplaces was ”going fine,” just as planned. …

”Obamacare’s first week has been a mess,” said the committee chairman, Representative Darrell Issa, Republican of California. ”This law is not ready for prime time.”

Representative John J. Duncan Jr., Republican of Tennessee, said, ”This is the most messed-up, convoluted, confusing law that’s ever been passed.”

The Obama administration has had three and a half years to work on the law, Mr. Duncan said, so ”it is ridiculous, and kind of sad,” that the government was so poorly prepared for the rollout of the program this week.

What does Hall mean “as planned”?  The original plan — and the one in statutory law — required the IRS to do instant income verification to ensure against fraud in subsidy payments.  That got postponed at least a year by a White House edict, which Republicans rightly claim as improper.  The only part of the plan that the IRS still has in action is their power to fine people who don’t carry health insurance, which is hardly a difficult task after more than three years.  It’s a checkbox with an information box attached to it on a tax form, with minimal data entry needed to support it — and none at all for electronic filers.

Note: Give the New York Times some credit for reporting this, though.  Only fourteen newspapers this morning have any stories at all on the ObamaCare exchange, and most of those have to do with the shutdown talks ongoing in Congress.


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Decay before the delay?

Bmore on October 10, 2013 at 8:43 AM

GOP: This is why we wanted a delay.

Err, no, but whatever.

NotCoach on October 10, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Wow. See BS? Say it ain’t so…

OmahaConservative on October 10, 2013 at 8:44 AM

So what’s the headline 6 months from now? “Obamacare Nothing Short of Disastrous”?

vityas on October 10, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Generic Obama supporter. ” Its working perfectly, just as planned.” Single Payer Is The Goal.

Bmore on October 10, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Generic Obama supporter. Those dang Koch Brothers, Tea Party Devils and Booosh!!!

Bmore on October 10, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Note: Give the New York Times some credit…

No.

NotCoach on October 10, 2013 at 8:47 AM

At some point you Generic Obama Supporters will figure out that you have been used and lied to. Or not.

Bmore on October 10, 2013 at 8:49 AM

It’s funny, I just checked it out this morning. It’s super fast, but still broken.

They must’ve really believed it was too many hits that were causing the crashes.

Man are they stupid.

p0s3r on October 10, 2013 at 8:50 AM

What does Hall mean “as planned”? The original plan — and the one in statutory law — required the IRS to do instant income verification to ensure against fraud in subsidy payments. That got postponed at least a year by a White House edict, which Republicans rightly claim as improper.

“As planned” means the IRS is gearing up to assess a whole lot of taxe…er…fines because people will miss the 12/15/2013 deadline to get coverage for January 2014.

Steve Eggleston on October 10, 2013 at 8:51 AM

You shouldn’t underestimate the power of American innovation to usher in a new era of healthcare efficiency and price transparency.
 
bayam on June 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM

 

rogerb on October 10, 2013 at 8:51 AM

So what’s the headline 6 months from now? “Obamacare Nothing Short of Disastrous”?

vityas on October 10, 2013 at 8:44 AM

No, it will be “PlaceboCare Nothing Short of a Tax Windfall”.

Steve Eggleston on October 10, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Think of it like this……in light of “GRAVITY”

ObamaCare is the space debris hitting the Shuttle (American Healthcare).

The Website is the arm of the shuttle carrying Sandra Bullock (Applicants) out into space (no coverage, confusion, despair, pissedoffness).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4pcg7bXgmU

PappyD61 on October 10, 2013 at 8:53 AM

At some point you Generic Obama Supporters will figure out that you have been used and lied to. Or not.

Bmore on October 10, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Not. They want socialism disguised as a representative democracy in which all dissent happens to be demonized as racist, sexist, nativist, homophobic, anti-[insert liberal grievance].

BuckeyeSam on October 10, 2013 at 8:54 AM

I see Obama bucking a delay of Obama care until after the second Tuesday in November; which delays it until after next years election.

aknews on October 10, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Then you have this… DNC head says site designed for 50,000 max…

Apparently Debbie said that the site was only designed to handle 50,000 people a day. That’s not concurrent users, that’s supposedly a day and they had an average of 250,000. Man she is not very smart.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 10, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) on Wednesday

“How can we tax people for not buying a product from a website that doesn’t work?” he asked on the House floor.

Indeed.

farsighted on October 10, 2013 at 8:55 AM

I just think the Times is nervous. Delaying it a year, buys the law time. The continued debacle only gives credence to the calls to defund and repeal.

mankai on October 10, 2013 at 8:57 AM

“signature achievement” Been a while since I’ve heard that catchphrase

forest on October 10, 2013 at 8:57 AM

The most puzzling thing about this tech roll out is that Obama OWNS the tech vote. He couldn’t get them to volunteer to help? He couldn’t pay them to help? Maybe the liberal tech vote needed to be paid a ton of dough to help him out.

All the same, I can’t get over how the tech vote is allowing their guy to stumble so badly.

BuckeyeSam on October 10, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Is there any legal recourse to force the equal implementation of this monstrosity? Can we not find a federal judge somewhere who will issue an injunction against the exemptions and modifications Ogabe has illegally created? Not a lawyer, but I know there are some here who are.

cornbred on October 10, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Headline six months from now: “ObamaCare a disaster because Republicans shutdown government”.

albill on October 10, 2013 at 8:59 AM

It’s a checkbox with an information box attached to it on a tax form,

Just out of curiosity, isn’t that a form of ‘self-incrimination’?

GarandFan on October 10, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Maybe the computer program had a little help……

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2013/10/fuxnet-obama-virus.html

rodguy911 on October 10, 2013 at 9:01 AM

I just think the Times is nervous. Delaying it a year, buys the law time. The continued debacle only gives credence to the calls to defund and repeal.

mankai on October 10, 2013 at 8:57 AM

It’s a very good strategy. Hold out for awhile, like say to the middle of November, and act like you are giving the Repubs something by agreeing to a delay. Take the site offline for that year and put it up a few days after the November 2014 mid term elections. Brilliant!

Johnnyreb on October 10, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Why on Earth would we delay this?

The message is:
– the website rollout is a failure, we have to get our government out of our healthcare
– premiums are skyrocketing because of Obamacare, the Democrats lied to get it passed
– as the budget tricks fall away the price of Obamacare continues to skyrocket threatening our entire way of life, the Democrats lied to get it passed
– this horrible law needs to be repealed now before the really bad stuff starts to happen
– the Democrats lied to get this passed, they lie now to protect it, and they will lie in the future

Repeal Obamacare now.

GardenGnome on October 10, 2013 at 9:02 AM

The most puzzling thing about this tech roll out is that Obama OWNS the tech vote. He couldn’t get them to volunteer to help? He couldn’t pay them to help? Maybe the liberal tech vote needed to be paid a ton of dough to help him out.

All the same, I can’t get over how the tech vote is allowing their guy to stumble so badly.

BuckeyeSam on October 10, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Not only that, I thought he was the most tech savvy president ever? I mean he has a BlackBerry and knows how to use it! Nevermind that BlackBerry is one of the simplest cell phones to use outside of a regular flip phone. Also not to mention that my wife’s grandparents who are in their 70s love using the Android tablets that we got them for Christmas last year. He’s tech savvy because he can use his BlackBerry.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 10, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Then you have this… DNC head says site designed for 50,000 max…

Apparently Debbie said that the site was only designed to handle 50,000 people a day. That’s not concurrent users, that’s supposedly a day and they had an average of 250,000. Man she is not very smart.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 10, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Let’s do some math here:

There are 76 days between 10/1 and 12/15 (including weekends and holidays), the last day one can sign up on the PlaceboCare exchanges before one gets at least a 1-month fine for not having PlaceboCare-approved coverage. 50,000 people per day times 76 day is 3,800,000 people who could have signed up for PlaceboCare if the exchanges were 100% functional from Day 1.

Anybody care go guess how many people would have been taxe…er…fined for not having PlaceboCare-approved coverage if the system were 100% functional? How about with the non-functional version we’ve got?

Steve Eggleston on October 10, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Ya know, at 50,000 people a day, 24/7, it will take 17 to 18 years to enrol everybody, not including the people born during that time. One of the problems with libruls is that, besides being a$$e$, they can’t do math.

Old Country Boy on October 10, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Generic Obama supporter. ” Its working perfectly, just as planned.” Single Payer Is The Goal.

Bmore on October 10, 2013 at 8:45 AM

If that’s the plan, it’s a pretty stupid one.

After seeing what an incredible clusterf*ck O-care has been, does anyone really think Americans are going to be clamoring to give the federal government even more control over their healthcare?

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Let’s do some math here:

There are 76 days between 10/1 and 12/15 (including weekends and holidays), the last day one can sign up on the PlaceboCare exchanges before one gets at least a 1-month fine for not having PlaceboCare-approved coverage. 50,000 people per day times 76 day is 3,800,000 people who could have signed up for PlaceboCare if the exchanges were 100% functional from Day 1.

Anybody care go guess how many people would have been taxe…er…fined for not having PlaceboCare-approved coverage if the system were 100% functional? How about with the non-functional version we’ve got?

Steve Eggleston on October 10, 2013 at 9:02 AM

That’s why I said I don’t think she’s very smart. There shouldn’t be a limit to the amount of users per day as that doesn’t even make sense in the internet world. Now concurrent users I could see because you need a big enough “pipe” to handle all of that traffic at once. Not that it make sense to normal people, but I could see them only preparing for 50,000 concurrent users.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 10, 2013 at 9:09 AM

You shouldn’t underestimate the power of American innovation to usher in a new era of healthcare efficiency and price transparency.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM

rogerb on October 10, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Hehehe.

we’re more comfortable with Obama wielding this sort of power because he seems a hell of a lot more effective and responsible with it.

urban elitist on February 8, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Bishop on October 10, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Obama filled his administration with ideologues, quislings, and racial/gender-identity types, and society is surprised that the Obamacare rocket exploded on take-off?

These people aren’t heavy-lifters, they’re not doers, and they’re not sweat-the-details types. Anything they put their imprimatur on is doomed from the get-go.

CaptFlood on October 10, 2013 at 9:10 AM

Anybody care go guess how many people would have been taxe…er…fined for not having PlaceboCare-approved coverage if the system were 100% functional? How about with the non-functional version we’ve got?

Steve Eggleston on October 10, 2013 at 9:02 AM

The CBO released numbers earlier in the year saying 7 million needed to sign up for this to be successful, which I really don’t get. Supposedly there are 40 million uninsured, and then there are the 10s of million self insured. How is 7 million a success?

But knowing the CBO number I know how DWS came up with this idiotic excuse. The entire registration period runs of October 1st to March 31st. 50k a day signups would equal 9.1 million total signups at the end of the registration period. At the end of the day Dems are going to call this roll-out successful no matter how it ends up.

NotCoach on October 10, 2013 at 9:11 AM

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Nothing surprises me after the re-election of the 0.

Bmore on October 10, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Albill not 6 months…they’ll start blaming now

cmsinaz on October 10, 2013 at 9:11 AM

After seeing what an incredible clusterf*ck O-care has been, does anyone really think Americans are going to be clamoring to give the federal government even more control over their healthcare?

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Where in the hell did you get the idea that the American public is going to be asked? Single-payer has always been a two step process. First you seize health care away from private insurers and make it two big to fail, then you crash the system and have the feds step in to save it.

Happy Nomad on October 10, 2013 at 9:11 AM

The government initially contracted out construction of the O-Care website to a Canadian IT firm, for $93 million. As always with government contracts, the costs exploded far beyond the initial estimates, and the government has now spent over $634 million on this debacle.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/inoperable-obamacare-site-cost-taxpayers-635-million/

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:12 AM

MobileVideoEngineer on October 10, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Homophobe, he also read Niebuhr, and if reading Niebuhr doesn’t scream “techno-wiz” then I don’t know what does.

Bishop on October 10, 2013 at 9:12 AM

So they’ve been telling 300 million people that they wanted to cover 50 million insured and another 20 million underinsured, so they built a site, and promoted a launch date, for a capacity of 50,000.

I don’t think there’s anything I can say that will explain the ludicrous nature of this better than just leaving those numbers there.

As a reminder, when the Bush administration launched Medicare D, they expected a capacity of 20,000 users, so they built a site that could handle 150,000.

The Schaef on October 10, 2013 at 9:16 AM

First you seize health care away from private insurers and make it two big to fail, then you crash the system and have the feds step in to save it.

Happy Nomad on October 10, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Even the dumbest, drooling, Cheetos-stained LIV is not going to believe the government can step in and “save” anything after this. O-Care isn’t failing because of private insurers; it’s failing because the federal government can’t competently design and run a health insurance website — despite having spent over half a billion dollars on it, and despite having had over three years to get it right.

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Ya know, at 50,000 people a day, 24/7, it will take 17 to 18 years to enrol everybody, not including the people born during that time. One of the problems with libruls is that, besides being a$$e$, they can’t do math.

Old Country Boy on October 10, 2013 at 9:06 AM
………………………………………
That is if your assumption is that people are actually suposed to enroll.
Seems to me if few people enroll and millions have their tax refunds seized for not enrollling its a huge windfall for the govt. Who knows where that money will go? Maybe they buy even more votes and hire more irs agents to put the bad guys(us) away.

rodguy911 on October 10, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Even the dumbest, drooling, Cheetos-stained LIV is not going to believe the government can step in and “save” anything after this.

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:17 AM

You’ve seen the LIVs, right? I think you are crediting them with too much intelligence.

Happy Nomad on October 10, 2013 at 9:19 AM

If that’s the plan, it’s a pretty stupid one.

After seeing what an incredible clusterf*ck O-care has been, does anyone really think Americans are going to be clamoring to give the federal government even more control over their healthcare?

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:06 AM

See, you’re allowing logic and common sense to cloud your view. I can easily imagine the media positioning this as, “Never the plan the Democrats actually wanted,” and that they were, “Forced into this option by the intractible Republicans.” Before long, single payer starts to sound like a viable option to the same low-information types who put this reeking embarassment into office in the first place.

CaptFlood on October 10, 2013 at 9:21 AM

That’s why I said I don’t think she’s very smart. There shouldn’t be a limit to the amount of users per day as that doesn’t even make sense in the internet world. Now concurrent users I could see because you need a big enough “pipe” to handle all of that traffic at once. Not that it make sense to normal people, but I could see them only preparing for 50,000 concurrent users.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 10, 2013 at 9:09 AM

It IS a government operation, but I would hope that for $93 $634-and-counting million, they could prepare for an April 15-level of IRS web service usage, or at least more than the 1,042 concurrent 10-minutes-per-signup users that would equal 50,000 users per day.

Steve Eggleston on October 10, 2013 at 9:21 AM

IRS ObamaCare chief Sarah Ingram Hall

You mean, the same Sarah Ingram Hall who committed a felony by sharing confidential IRS data on conservative groups with the Spite House?

I just can’t wait until she has access to our “confidential” medical records to go with our “confidential” financial records.

CJ on October 10, 2013 at 9:22 AM

You’ve seen the LIVs, right? I think you are crediting them with too much intelligence.

Happy Nomad on October 10, 2013 at 9:19 AM

LOL. You may be right.

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:22 AM

people will miss the 12/15/2013 deadline to get coverage for January 2014.

I think the deadline is in March. The Healthcare.gov site says 172 days left to enroll.

I’ll pass on that.

VibrioCocci on October 10, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Why on Earth would we delay this?

GardenGnome on October 10, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Because, conservative fantasies aside, we are not going to be able to defund it, and we won’t be able to repeal it until 2016, at a minimum.

Delay highlights this administration’s failure at its “signature achievement”, gives the Right more time to rally and build public opinion, and most importantly, gives the Thug-in-Chief one helluva black eye…

JohnGalt23 on October 10, 2013 at 9:23 AM

But knowing the CBO number I know how DWS came up with this idiotic excuse. The entire registration period runs of October 1st to March 31st. 50k a day signups would equal 9.1 million total signups at the end of the registration period. At the end of the day Dems are going to call this roll-out successful no matter how it ends up.

NotCoach on October 10, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Mostly because there’s going to be a whole lot of tax…er…fines flowing into the IRS coffers, not because there has been an appreciable decline in the number of uninsured/”under”insured.

It is all about the money and the power.

Steve Eggleston on October 10, 2013 at 9:24 AM

“Let them eat cake a crap sandwich!”

Marie Antoinette Hussein Obama

freedomfirst on October 10, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Even the dumbest, drooling, Cheetos-stained LIV is not going to believe the government can step in and “save” anything after this.

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:17 AM

They elected a dude for his skin color, and then reelected him even though he repeatedly told them what his disastrous plans were, we are not talking about the brain trust of America here.

Face it, we’re being enslaved by the stupidest people in our society because they are just numerous enough to cancel out the rest of us.

Bishop on October 10, 2013 at 9:25 AM

an April 15-level of IRS web service usage

Based on my experience with the IRS web site on April 15th, the O-Care designers may have planned for exactly that level of “efficiency.”

Have you ever tried to get anything from that site on or around tax day? It’s not a pleasant experience.

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:25 AM

I think the deadline is in March. The Healthcare.gov site says 172 days left to enroll.

I’ll pass on that.

VibrioCocci on October 10, 2013 at 9:23 AM

For coverage starting in January, it closes on December 15. Miss that, and you’ll be tax..er…fined for not having coverage for January 2014.

March 2014 is the last month in which you can sign up for coverage for any month of 2014. Miss that, and you get the full-year tax…er…penalty.

Steve Eggleston on October 10, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Face it, we’re being enslaved by the stupidest people in our society because they are just numerous enough to cancel out the rest of us.

Bishop on October 10, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Okay, okay. Quit piling on. I already conceded. ;)

You’ve seen the LIVs, right? I think you are crediting them with too much intelligence.

Happy Nomad on October 10, 2013 at 9:19 AM

LOL. You may be right.

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:22 AM

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Face it, we’re being enslaved by the stupidest people in our society because they are just numerous enough to cancel out the rest of us.

Bishop on October 10, 2013 at 9:25 AM

This has been evident for years. That’s why I sometimes fear stupid people and the power they weild.

freedomfirst on October 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Mostly because there’s going to be a whole lot of tax…er…fines flowing into the IRS coffers, not because there has been an appreciable decline in the number of uninsured/”under”insured.

It is all about the money and the power.

Steve Eggleston on October 10, 2013 at 9:24 AM

I agree, but the “tax” won’t be paid until people file their 2014 tax returns. No one will be paying the “tax” next year. They won’t make their 7 million goal this year, and next years enrollment period will be just as bad.

NotCoach on October 10, 2013 at 9:29 AM

the good news…..

All those Iranian and North Korean hackers, who were chomping at the bit to plant a virus in the system, are equally frustrated that they can’t log in!

Deafdog on October 10, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Should be “wield”

Now who’s stupid?

freedomfirst on October 10, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Based on my experience with the IRS web site on April 15th, the O-Care designers may have planned for exactly that level of “efficiency.”

Have you ever tried to get anything from that site on or around tax day? It’s not a pleasant experience.

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:25 AM

I’ve successfully e-filed my taxes on that day the last few years (though through a third-party vendor). As for hitting up the actual website that day, thankfully I hadn’t needed to do that.

Steve Eggleston on October 10, 2013 at 9:30 AM

Face it, we’re being we have been enslaved by the stupidest people in our society because they are just numerous enough to cancel out the rest of us.

Bishop on October 10, 2013 at 9:25 AM

ReWrite™ engaged for proper tense. Dean SCOAMT dropped the big one on us.

Steve Eggleston on October 10, 2013 at 9:32 AM

The most puzzling thing about this tech roll out is that Obama OWNS the tech vote. He couldn’t get them to volunteer to help? He couldn’t pay them to help? Maybe the liberal tech vote needed to be paid a ton of dough to help him out.

All the same, I can’t get over how the tech vote is allowing their guy to stumble so badly.

BuckeyeSam on October 10, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Not only that, I thought he was the most tech savvy president ever? I mean he has a BlackBerry and knows how to use it! Nevermind that BlackBerry is one of the simplest cell phones to use outside of a regular flip phone. Also not to mention that my wife’s grandparents who are in their 70s love using the Android tablets that we got them for Christmas last year. He’s tech savvy because he can use his BlackBerry.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 10, 2013 at 9:02 AM

The problem is that the savvy tech-sector types, while trendy-leftie for the most part, would rather be attacked by giant Asian hornets than try to work with the Federal procurement system;

WaPo; Some say health-care site’s problems highlight flawed federal IT policies

From the link;

The result has been particularly stark when compared with the slick, powerful computer systems built for Barack Obama’s presidential campaigns, which in 2008 harnessed the emerging power of social networking and in 2012 relied on aggressive data-mining efforts to identify and turn out voters. For those, the campaign recruited motivated young programmers, often from tech start-ups.

“The wizards from the campaign have no desire to contract with the federal government because it’s a pain in the butt,” said Clay Johnson, a veteran technologist for Democratic campaigns who pushes for procurement reform through his whimsically named start-up, the Department of Better Technology. “Is it possible to be good? Is it possible to do right by the taxpayer in this space? I’m not sure that it is.”

He is one of many Obama supporters hoping to help fix the Web site by drawing on the collective wisdom of software developers, a mostly left-leaning group that have been analyzing healthcare.gov and sharing their thoughts in e-mails, blog posts and exchanges on Reddit.

Among their conclusions: Requiring all users to sign in before surfing choked the system, as did insufficient server capacity. They also noted that the Web site stalls if a single step in the process — such as verifying a user’s identity — is not quickly completed.

The overall appearance is that healthcare.gov was designed more as a datamining app than as a throughput (customer-oriented) one. I.E., its purpose was to acquire information and direct it to a third party, namely the IRS, for purposes of acquiring something from the “customers”. Three guesses what, and two don’t count.

I’m no IT expert, but I do know a scam when I see it in action. I think everyone is just lucky that in this case, the designers’ IT expertise was not up to the level of their social and financial ambitions.

The ideological, and/or the nefarious, generally cannot afford to be incompetent as well.

clear ether

eon

eon on October 10, 2013 at 9:32 AM

One small step for Gov’t, one giant leap for Single Payer.

mjbrooks3 on October 10, 2013 at 9:35 AM

the good news…..

All those Iranian and North Korean hackers, who were chomping at the bit to plant a virus in the system, are equally frustrated that they can’t log in!

Deafdog on October 10, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Good point, even Stuxnet would run away like a beaten dog if they tried to insert it.

“How this system work? What wrong wit America computers? It make me raff out roud!”

Bishop on October 10, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Do not delay now…
They wanted it they got it….step away and watch it burn

cmsinaz on October 10, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Good point, even Stuxnet would run away like a beaten dog if they tried to insert it.

“How this system work? What wrong wit America computers? It make me raff out roud!”

Bishop on October 10, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Quote from Sum Ting Wong.

Steve Eggleston on October 10, 2013 at 9:42 AM

its purpose was to acquire information and direct it to a third party, namely the IRS, for purposes of acquiring something from the “customers”.

The IRS was one of the third parties that were supposed to get the information, but it was not the only one.

The site is reportedly designed so that people can’t browse for prices/subsidies unless they first set up an account and provide their personal information. There is no legitimate reason for that. Besides the IRS, organizations like OFA are probably on the receiving end of all that useful consumer/voter information.

Have to keep those databases current so Dims can continue to track, target, manipulate, and exploit voters and potential voters.

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:45 AM

For all the fans of “let it burn”, a short reminder or two for you:

– Even though Medicare and Medicaid were already blowing their budgets 4 years in, President Richard Nixon didn’t even try to get rid of either program when he entered office.

– Even though it was common knowledge by 2003 that the then-largest part of Medicare, Part A’s Hospital Insurance, would go Tango Uniform before many of the Boomers went Tango Uniform, the RepublicRATs banded together to cobble a massive expansion of Medicare in Part D’s prescription drug coverage.

Who here wants to bet that, if allowed to be implemented as scheduled, PlaceboCare won’t make it to the general collapse of the welfare state in 10-15 years?

Steve Eggleston on October 10, 2013 at 9:47 AM

… while Hall insisted that everything was hunky-dory on her end:

If she looks like Obama’s other appointees, her end’s more hunky than dory.

TXUS on October 10, 2013 at 9:47 AM

All those Iranian and North Korean hackers, who were chomping at the bit to plant a virus in the system, are equally frustrated that they can’t log in!

Deafdog on October 10, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Don’t be too sure. And not Iranian/NorKo either…
[NSFW]

bofh on October 10, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Womp womp

Good Lt on October 10, 2013 at 9:54 AM

And we can’t get this thing repealed?

Cleombrotus on October 10, 2013 at 9:55 AM

This is all so amusing to me, and so predictable.

My Master’s thesis was on implementation of new programs, and how our system renders any seemingly good idea unrecognizable once the bureaucracy and political interference warp the implementation. Nothing escapes the dead hand of bureaucracy, where people have lifetime jobs and no incentive for meeting deadlines as well as no disincentive for delivering a defective product. So we get a $700 million website that doesn’t work and is panned by actual IT professionals. I would bet the people working on this site spent more time and effort on the cute graphics and rah-rah-Obamacare language then they did on the coding. This is what bureaucracy produces.

And this program is obviously infested with politics which made implementation more difficult. For example, the requirements for minimum coverage were established mostly to minimize yelling from lobbyists, but this made the plans more difficult to price out and made the algorithms harder. The insurance companies won many concessions in order to get their support for the legislation, for example, they are still allowed to check credit scores and that has to be plugged into the exchange website which mucks it up even more.

There was never any way this thing was going to work the way its dreamers and schemers believed it would. It always amazes me that the Party of Government is so stinking naive about how bad government actually is at doing most things.

rockmom on October 10, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Who here wants to bet that, if allowed to be implemented as scheduled, PlaceboCare won’t make it to the general collapse of the welfare state in 10-15 years?

Steve Eggleston on October 10, 2013 at 9:47 AM

If O-Care gets implemented, we probably won’t have 10-15 years before the collapse. Those subsidies will quickly run into trillions a year, especially since the Obama administration is explicitly inviting fraud (something they’ve been doing for five years now in the food stamp, WIC, and other programs).

Also, if Republicans in Congress succeed in sneaking through an amnesty bill and tens of millions of low-income illegals are suddenly “legal” and eligible for O-Care subsidies (not to mention welfare, food stamps, and the 80+ other taxpayer-funded goody programs), not even the Fed will be able to print up enough money to keep the scam going.

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:59 AM

And we can’t get this thing repealed?

Cleombrotus on October 10, 2013 at 9:55 AM

It’s about optics, misogynist, the optics for the GOP aren’t good if they try to repeal. What don’t you understand about lenses, it’s not that hard.

Bishop on October 10, 2013 at 10:01 AM

But until it’s disastrous disastrous, it’s not really a problem…

Kraken on October 10, 2013 at 10:03 AM

The good news:

bofh on October 10, 2013 at 9:49 AM

and the bad news:

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Cleombrotus on October 10, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Bishop on October 10, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Ah. I guess I’m still just old school. Gotta get with the program, I guess.

Cleombrotus on October 10, 2013 at 10:05 AM

AZCoyote on October 10, 2013 at 9:59 AM

I was being generous.

Steve Eggleston on October 10, 2013 at 10:06 AM

See, you’re allowing logic and common sense to cloud your view. I can easily imagine the media positioning this as, “Never the plan the Democrats actually wanted,” and that they were, “Forced into this option by the intractible Republicans.” Before long, single payer starts to sound like a viable option to the same low-information types who put this reeking embarassment into office in the first place.

CaptFlood on October 10, 2013 at 9:21 AM

If you can stand it, try listening to some leftie talk radio (you know, if you can actually find any). This is their current talking point: This isn’t a Democrat plan, they wanted single payer or at the least the public option, and it was all based on what the Republicans wanted. So don’t blame them.

PetecminMd on October 10, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Name the last large-scale, multi-database, multi-State, multi-company software rollout the federal government has ever gotten right on Day 1.

On Day 1,000 they have all been given up as a lost cause.

Save that they were all smaller scale, had fewer users and fewer databases.

Why didn’t anyone pushing this junk through ever ask this question? Because its about POWER and CONTROL not about healthcare.

They wanted a failure so they could use it as an excuse to take over all of healthcare for ‘single payer’.

They use the same excuse for all regulations that fail. It is never that the government has failed, it just hasn’t spent enough money or taken enough power away from the people to ‘succeed’.

ajacksonian on October 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Ya know, at 50,000 people a day, 24/7, it will take 17 to 18 years to enrol everybody, not including the people born during that time. One of the problems with libruls is that, besides being a$$e$, they can’t do math.

Old Country Boy on October 10, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Making them an Ignoranus: A person who’s stupid and an a$$hole.

Barnestormer on October 10, 2013 at 10:17 AM

There are sites that take eight million hits or more a day and it couldn’t handle that many in a week? Must be running on a Microsoft platform…

Mr. Bultitude on October 10, 2013 at 10:19 AM

Because, conservative fantasies aside, we are not going to be able to defund it, and we won’t be able to repeal it until 2016, at a minimum.

Delay highlights this administration’s failure at its “signature achievement”, gives the Right more time to rally and build public opinion, and most importantly, gives the Thug-in-Chief one helluva black eye…

JohnGalt23 on October 10, 2013 at 9:23 AM

All you have to do is fund what needs to be funded with limited bills.
QED

If you delay it, they will heap more billions onto the problem.
EVENTUALLY the web site will work. Eventually and then the media calls it a success having moved the goal posts to being a FUNCTIONAL WEBSITE.

The problems of Obamacare are much bigger and much deeper. The DOUBLING(!) of my premiums demonstrates it.

It is already a failure built on lies. It must be stopped now.

GardenGnome on October 10, 2013 at 10:22 AM

What does Hall mean “as planned”?

“We are bringing Western civilization to its knees by selling private insurance plans on a web site where people pick and choose.”

– Kathleen Sebelius, Health and Human Services Secretary

Gee, what does that remind me of?

But my journey is part of a larger journey- one shared by all who’ve ever sought to apply the values of their faith to our society. It’s a journey that takes us back to our nation’s founding, when none other than a UCC church inspired the Boston Tea Party and helped bring an Empire to its knees.

– Barack Hussein Obama June 23, 2007

It appears that Barack Obama and Kathleen Sebelius are “fellow travellers” on the journey to bring the “Empire” of Western civilization “to its knees”.

ITguy on October 10, 2013 at 10:25 AM

I don’t care how long it should/would/could be delayed. This is the government. Rollout was/is destined to be a train wreck. It’s what I’ve come to expect from it.

sadatoni on October 10, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Folks, so far just the sign up process is a disaster. Keep in mind that after someone creates an account this system needs to also determine who is eligible for what level of assistance. The correct determination of fines. The correct calculation of fines. The correct tracking of deductibles, out of pocket amounts allowed, used, etc…The correct payment of service providers, etc, etc, etc…

Each step in the implementation and roll out of this mess is going to suffer from the same types of issues.

ObamaCare is like a massive denial of service attack on the US economy

EA_MAN on October 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Egg, 10-15 sounds about right

cmsinaz on October 10, 2013 at 10:42 AM

OT, but typing here is keeping me from throwing my tablet through a window.

Sec Lew is LYING his freaking a$$ off !
Good Lord God Almighty !

pambi on October 10, 2013 at 10:48 AM

They want socialism disguised as a representative democracy in which all dissent happens to be demonized as racist, sexist, nativist, homophobic, anti-[insert liberal grievance].

BuckeyeSam on October 10, 2013 at 8:54 AM

The Road to Socialism USA

Specifically, check out this section:
Defeating the Ultra-Right

As well as this separate, but related link:
Defeating the Rightwing on the Road to Socialism

They WANT ObamaCare to fail, then blame the failure on Capitalism, saying that Single Payer is the answer. And single payer socialized medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism.

ITguy on October 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM

WHERE’S MY UNICORN????? WHERE’S MY F’IN UNICORN?

KirknBurker on October 10, 2013 at 11:02 AM

You shouldn’t underestimate the power of American innovation to usher in a new era of healthcare efficiency and price transparency.
bayam on June 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM

rogerb on October 10, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Great find!!
American innovation – yes.
Government innovation – not so much.

dentarthurdent on October 10, 2013 at 11:04 AM

They WANT ObamaCare to fail, then blame the failure on Capitalism, saying that Single Payer is the answer. And single payer socialized medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism.

ITguy on October 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Yup – and it will work just as mahhhvelously as what we’re currently seeing – but then there will be absolutely NO option to go around it.

dentarthurdent on October 10, 2013 at 11:06 AM

I don’t care how long it should/would/could be delayed. This is the government. Rollout was/is destined to be a train wreck. It’s what I’ve come to expect from it.

sadatoni on October 10, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Ya – pretty EVERY new system of any kind the gubmint rolls out starts out as a disaster. I could fill a couple pages with stories of horribly designed and implemented systems I’ve been involved with that were built for the Air Force, and specifically in Cheyenne Mountain. At least DoD usually gets them working right – eventually – but typically at a high cost to hire new people to come in and fix the original fiasco.

dentarthurdent on October 10, 2013 at 11:14 AM

If only there had been someone who could have warned us of this. Someone who could have warned us about NSA, IRS, Fast & Furious.

… if only … what’s that? … Tea pa .. who?

kurtzz3 on October 10, 2013 at 11:15 AM

If you can stand it, try listening to some leftie talk radio (you know, if you can actually find any). This is their current talking point: This isn’t a Democrat plan, they wanted single payer or at the least the public option, and it was all based on what the Republicans wanted. So don’t blame them.

PetecminMd on October 10, 2013 at 10:11 AM

I love my country. I’ve served my country. But listening to lefty talk radio is simply asking too much. I stumbled across Air America once, back in the day, and five minutes in I had to turn off the radio and go have a stiff belt. All I could think was, where do these people come from, and what unmentionably horrific thing could have turned them into this?

CaptFlood on October 10, 2013 at 11:19 AM

“As planned” means the IRS is gearing up to assess a whole lot of taxe…er…fines because people will miss the 12/15/2013 deadline to get coverage for January 2014.

Steve Eggleston on October 10, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Eggs, you are sooooo behind the information curve. John Roberts said definitively that this is a tax. Calling it a fine makes it, well, unconstitutional.

NOMOBO on October 10, 2013 at 11:22 AM

What is happening in California with the final push of illegal immigration, their votes, and complete Dem control is what the Dems want to roll out to the rest of the country.

It will either lead eventually to a UK-like socialist cesspool…or, an eventual split of parts of the SW to Mexico, or a major move to secede/split the country into two countries, one for Americans and one for the Progressives.

In the event of a split into two countries, it could and should be a peaceful split. There is no reason for any violence. Both sides would get the type of culture/government that they like. Win / Win.

KirknBurker on October 10, 2013 at 11:23 AM