Redskins owner: Let’s get something straight — we’re not changing the name

posted at 7:21 pm on October 9, 2013 by Allahpundit

The exciting conclusion to last night’s Quotes of the Day. This is an unusual story in that it gets progressively less interesting on the merits — how many different ways can there be to argue that “Redskins” is or isn’t offensive? — and more interesting as a test of wills/PR challenge.

Dan Snyder’s core message: This team is all about honoring Native Americans, not denigrating them.

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Click for more. The question for this guy isn’t whether he believes what he says or how much of a financial hit he’s willing to take from any boycotts, which are likely to negligible. The question is how much of a distraction he’s willing to let it become. He can afford to engage on it right now because the team stinks and he’s got nothing better to do. But eventually they’ll return to glory and that’s when liberals will turn up the volume. Does he want to be nagged by this for years? Can he stand the supreme irritation of relentless self congratulatory, self-righteous left-wing moralizing when his team’s in the hunt for a Super Bowl? Good lord, they could break guys at Gitmo with that. And as a corollary, does he really want to become the leader of the opposition in politically correct America? The fact that liberal outfits like Slate and MSNBC decided to noisily champion this cause was enough to sharpen the lines of partisan/ideological divisions, but now that The One’s weighed in, the issue will begin to approach litmus-test territory. Is he prepared to become the hero of PC resistance and a villain who, if not quite the retrograde plutocrat that the Koch brothers are, is nonetheless an enemy of “enlightened” America?

If there’s any owner in sports who might kind of dig that attention, it’s Dan Snyder:

Really, for all the work Harjo did to eradicate the name for parts of three decades, for everything Halbritter and others do now, the person who did the most to amplify the message of the ChangeTheMascot.org crowd is Snyder himself.

When USA Today’s Erik Brady asked about the issue in May, the owner’s hubris got the best of him: “We’ll never change the name,” Snyder said. “It’s that simple. NEVER — you can use caps.”

That was it. That was enough to mobilize many of the apathetic and ambivalent to join the advocates and the hard-core activists. When a billionaire takes a position as a bully instead of at least acknowledging the people who are offended, then he starts to lose what middle ground remained…

It’s not the Oneida Nation, the Cherokee Nation or any one of 450-plus federally recognized sovereign peoples. It’s called the world’s tribe, and it is bigger and infinitely more powerful than an 80-year-old fan base and its idea of “tradition.”

That was published in WaPo two days ago, keying off of Obama’s comments this past weekend. Interestingly, the letter Snyder published today does, emphatically, respectfully acknowledge the fact that people are offended and tries to counter it by basically arguing that he’s the guy who’s really pro-Indian here, not his critics. That’s a notable softening of his “NEVER, NEVER” position before, but the fact that he’d think to publish this letter at all means he’s not going to give ground on this anytime soon. Check back in five years, maybe?

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Do you follow that up with “How Black People Sold Other Black People to Whitey in Africa”? Not part of your curriculum??

Tenured Professor of the ‘Humanities’…I can believe it..Yer an Affirmative Action hack that teaches general Ed classes that no one would take if they weren’t required.

You go girl.

We should also mention the harm slavery caused for white southerners due to the depressed wages caused by slavery. This is why slave states were poorer than free states. Immigrants avoided the South because there were no (paying) jobs there.

Rich H on October 9, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Redskins owner: Let’s get something straight — we’re not changing the name

We’re just not going to have ‘Me smoke ‘em peace pipe.’ at this rate.

The Nerve on October 9, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Yeah. Snyder is the bully. Good grief.

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Little help here!

predator on October 9, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Parasites?

Barnestormer on October 9, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Do you follow that up with “How Black People Sold Other Black People to Whitey in Africa”? Not part of your curriculum??

You will not find a single textbook taught in African American history classes or U.S. history until 1865 courses that does not mention African participation in the Atlantic Slave Trade. Not a single one.

libfreeordie on October 9, 2013 at 9:00 PM

If only the demorat party had been more interested in advancing the black population before it became politically expedient for them.

Oh well, that’s the thing about history, you can look back and say “they should have done THIS” with perfect clarity.

Bishop on October 9, 2013 at 9:16 PM

You will not find a single textbook taught in African American history classes or U.S. history until 1865 courses that does not mention African participation in the Atlantic Slave Trade. Not a single one.

libfreeordie on October 9, 2013 at 9:00 PM

I received a detention for making the point that Africans sold other Africans into the slave trade as I attended my regular social studies class in HS during “Black History Month”. My teacher said that was not true, and I pushed the issue and she handed me a detention. And, no, it wasn’t in the curriculum textbook we used, which was part of the reason she got away with giving me detention. But live in fantasy land if you choose.

goflyers on October 9, 2013 at 9:23 PM

IS Chief Zee a racist? lol

abobo on October 9, 2013 at 9:30 PM

What I emphasize in my courses is that white supremacy and violence were essential to the construction of what we call Western “rationality,” “reason” and “civilization.”

libfreeordie on October 9, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Care to cut and paste your course outlines? I say “cut and paste” so we don’t have to know where you teach indoctrinate.

Del Dolemonte on October 9, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Sometimes I wonder, is libfree actually a comment-bot of some kind just throwing out random sentences?

Bishop on October 9, 2013 at 8:15 PM

I go back to the old Usenet political newsgroup days 15 years ago (many of those places are still running, populated by the same clueless Democrats, like the legendary idiot “rosell_19″). There was (and maybe still is?) a legendary Democrat comment-bot called “Harry Hope” there for years.

Sorta a prelude to “Hope ‘N’ Change”?

Del Dolemonte on October 9, 2013 at 9:41 PM

You will not find a single textbook taught in African American history classes or U.S. history until 1865 courses that does not mention African participation in the Atlantic Slave Trade. Not a single one.

libfreeordie on October 9, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Much to your discomfort I’m sure. Thank God there were honest people writing about history back then.

Really wondering how many of your starry eyed students are aware of that fact.

Didn’t ask you that. Maybe you should re-read my post.

Jackass.

BigWyo on October 9, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Do you follow that up with “How Black People Sold Other Black People to Whitey in Africa”? Not part of your curriculum??

You will not find a single textbook that I have actually read or taught in African American history classes or U.S. history until 1865 courses that does not mention African participation in the Atlantic Slave Trade. Not a single one. And I have read every single one published!

General John Stark on October 9, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Edited for clarity.

Del Dolemonte on October 9, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Thanks for admitting that empire, settler colonialism and genocide are very much part of what makes America, America.

libfreeordie on October 9, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Name one inch of soil on the face of the planet that has not been fought over.

My answer to your tirade on your anger toward America is…..so what? Name one country that exists today that in its past is not stained with the blood of their birth. Sweden? Owned Norway until Norway split off. France? Great Britian? Any country in Europe? Asia? South America? Australia?

Our nation was founded on the understanding of the geviousness of human history and part of the Great Enlightenment, where reason and the individual was finally given its chance to form a nation.

The Continental Congress in its formation recognized that this nation can and could very easily slip back into despotism and started by recognizing that the ultimate protection that must be required was the freedom and liberty of the individual against the state. They recognized this by stating that the rights of free men are not granted in constititutions, indeed not even in their documents, but the natural right of all people.

What makes adults angry is that while you stand and bully your students in class and force them to write the answers that will get them through your class and out their life, you spit your anger on America while ignoring the parts of our beliefs that forced us to fight a bloody war that incurred a casualty rate of 10% of her population and has schismed us since. If we are the vile creature you pound out in your prep, that war would have never happened.

itsspideyman on October 9, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Thanks for admitting that empire, settler colonialism and genocide are very much part of what makes America, America.

libfreeordie on October 9, 2013 at 7:41 PM

By gum, she’s right you know!

Give New York back to the Dutch!
Give Detroit back to the French!
Give Florida back to the Spanish!

Wait, how about the Virgin Islands? We paid actual real gold for those.

Greek Fire on October 9, 2013 at 9:59 PM

PS to libfree:

Unlike yourself, I am actually a longtime sports (especially NFL) fan of many decades. The current Redskins owner is a confirmed world class arsehole, and has been since he bought the team in the late 1990s, but as a business owner, something you would know not thing one about, he’s got every right to protect his investment. Which includes the team history, name, and logo.

It’s called a “brand name”, a term you Socialists abhor. In fact, the Redskins are the 3rd most valuable team in the NFL (valued at $1.7 billion).

You’re advocating having a billion dollar business fail due to what you see as satisfying your political correctness.

Your problem is your selective outrage. Why are these other football teams not being singled out by you baiters?

1. University of Hawai’i Rainbow Warriors (currently 0-5). The team from the state O’bama claims to have been born in is named after genocidal fighters who threw their enemies off of cliffs, and then celebrated later by eating dogs.

2. New Orleans Saints (currently 5-0). When the team began in 1967, they asked the Catholic Archbishop of (Democrat-run) New Orleans if picking the name “Saints” was blasphemy. He said it was not and gave them his Blessing.

Given the rash of Catholic Church sexual abuse scandals that have been exposed in recent years, why aren’t you demanding that they change their name?

And from other sports…

3. Chicago Blackhawks (NHL). O’bama’s other “home city”.

4. San Diego Padres.

5. Atlanta Braves. Oh, that’s right, they get a pass because a Far-Left Democrat named Ted Turner is an integral part of their history. Using your own “logic”, he should be considered a Racist.

Del Dolemonte on October 9, 2013 at 10:12 PM

When a team picks a nickname, they pick one that is respected, or thought of as honorable or brave or tough. Not a nickname that is looked down upon or derogatory. So the argument that the name was racist from the beginning is a non-starter.

AproposofNothing on October 9, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Revised ending to the letter:

“So, up your f u c king a s s with a red-hot poker, President Obumble.”

PD Quig on October 9, 2013 at 10:56 PM

As a lifelong Redskins fan, I’ve always hated Dan Snyder as another arrogant prick owner that thinks he knows everything. However, I have to give him mad props on this whole debacle, and I’ve gained much respect for him standing his ground on this.

Screw everyone else – I guarantee if you polled the Redskins fans themselves, it would be like 0.01% that actually wanted the name changed. These people never stop, and it’s about time someone stood up to the constant theater. Even if they won, it would just be another “scalp” (oops! I can’t say that either!), in which they would then shift to the next target of liberal, passive aggressive, beta-male outrage.

specialkayel on October 10, 2013 at 12:52 AM

I have been following this story very closely and have come to a few conclusions:

1. A small minority of people, maybe 10%, are offended by the name Redskins, and;

2. 100% of self-righteous, liberal sports writers are offended by the name Redskins.

3. The rest of the country just doesn’t care.

Captain Kirock on October 10, 2013 at 2:11 AM

How about “The Washington Barrycades”? The actual mascot would be an NPS ranger with a portable fence.

kd6rxl on October 10, 2013 at 4:58 AM

My point is that these facts have rarely been part of secondary education on the history of this nation; and that, historically, when people have tried to fold those facts into the public representations of the nation’s history, conservatives come along and claim that they “hate America” or are trying to “propogandize” children. Indeed, describing America as genocidal has been framed by conservatives as “revisionism.” I didn’t realize that conservatives had come around to wanting a realistic presentation of the nation’s past.

libfreeordie on October 9, 2013 at 7:48 PM

It’s because of how liberals portray it. Yes America has dark parts to it’s history. But these dark parts are the same as any other culture or nation in history. Liberals teach America’s history from the multi-cultural perspective which simultaneously emphasizes America’s shortcomings and distorts everyone elses history to be more positive. America was involved in slavery? Yes. So were African nations. So were native American tribes. So where many many other countries in the world. America was genocidal? Which nation wasn’t? Many native American tribes were as well (they just lacked the numbers and technological means to do it on the same scale).

America is an exceptional country with an exceptionally great history but it’s not perfect. You like to harp on the negatives which are indistinguishable from any other nation and cultures negative history to pretend like the exceptional parts don’t exist or don’t matter. Conservatives don’t mind the negative aspects of American history being taught as long as it’s in the proper context.

gwelf on October 10, 2013 at 8:27 AM

Indeed, describing America as genocidal has been framed by conservatives as “revisionism.” I didn’t realize that conservatives had come around to wanting a realistic presentation of the nation’s past.

libfreeordie on October 9, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Well I thought you were just a bot, but you’ve lead yourself into a deep understanding. That’s not bot typical, but your own understanding will always protect you from what you are.
Self righteousness is man’s greatest unintended achievement. Yes the history of the U.S. is littered with… men, and clearly only they were the only worthless evil ones in the history of the species. (Sorry-didn’t mean to step on your understanding)
The issue here at hand is that this Snyder guy has made your master angry. Now if B decides to shut down Monday nite, what will that entail? The stadiums or the whole calendar day? (Facetiousness being man’s second greatest achievment to combat the first)

onomo on October 10, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Double down, Dan, sell Rush a 5% stake in the team.

Kissmygrits on October 10, 2013 at 9:39 AM

My point is that these facts have rarely been part of secondary education on the history of this nation; and that, historically, when people have tried to fold those facts into the public representations of the nation’s history, conservatives come along and claim that they “hate America” or are trying to “propogandize” children. Indeed, describing America as genocidal has been framed by conservatives as “revisionism.” I didn’t realize that conservatives had come around to wanting a realistic presentation of the nation’s past.

libfreeordie on October 9, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Liberals are also disingenuous when it comes to their own history.

The progressive movement history is rife with racists, including eugenicists. Woodrow Wilson was a racist. Progressive heroes like LBJ were racist. The “Civil Rights Movement” is portrayed as some great liberal Democrat triumph when in fact it was also joined by conservatives and Republicans and in fact would have failed legislatively without large GOP support. The lie is also taught as history that the Democrat racists left the party and joined the GOP and the many Republicans who supported the aims of the civil rights movement are largely ignored (or claimed somehow as liberal progressives).

So, in short, liberals can’t be trusted with their own history much less the nation’s history.

gwelf on October 10, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Obama and the Washington liberals want the Washington Redskins to change their name. Then by all means they should change their name.
How about changing the name to the Los Angeles Redskins.

Wallythedog on October 10, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Thanks for admitting that empire, settler colonialism and genocide are very much part of what makes America, America.

libfreeordie on October 9, 2013 at 7:41 PM

I’m just curious, what are you a professor of? Stupidity?

zoyclem on October 10, 2013 at 11:38 AM

I find Caucasian offensive, I’m not even Asian.

Buttercup on October 10, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Someone send this story to Uni Watch Blog owner Paul Lukas. This is his NY lefty personal crusade and his otherwise interesting blog has been largely given over to the Redskins issue.

His posts are unintentionally hilarious as he quotes one liberal after another condemning the name as ‘proof’ that the tide is turning, it’s inevitable etc.

Like all lefties, contradictory evidence is dismissed, ignored, mocked, etc. In this case, however, he is mugged by reality on a daily basis, since the only person who can or would change the name is Dan Snyder and Snyder is adamant (and rightfully so).

jangle12 on October 10, 2013 at 11:50 AM

“Maryland Redskins”. That does cleanse the name of the bad connotations.

Sounds more accurate since their stadium is in Maryland. However, most of their training sites are in Virginia.

TerryW on October 10, 2013 at 12:22 PM

gwelf on October 10, 2013 at 8:27 AM

He likes to harp on the negatives from here. He wouldn’t last five minutes in his precious Africa, where warring and genocide are a part of daily life for those unfortunate enough to have been born there. Western Civilization is vastly superior to anything else the world offers, and is the the only thing that protects ungrateful, ignorant liberals from the things they clamor for.

DrMagnolias on October 10, 2013 at 12:33 PM

I’m not a fan of Little Danny Snyder, but I’m with him on this one.

Ward Cleaver on October 10, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Can he stand the supreme irritation of relentless self congratulatory, self-righteous left-wing moralizing when his team’s in the hunt for a Super Bowl? Good lord, they could break guys at Gitmo with that. And as a corollary, does he really want to become the leader of the opposition in politically correct America?

Good Lord, Not only could I withstand the “supreme irritation of relentless self congratulatory, self-righteous left-wing moralizing”, I would revel in it knowing how irritated those pukes are and that they’d NEVER (all caps there notice?) make me change the name as long as I owned the team.

I’d love making splodey heads on the left and the PC Injun crowd.

44Magnum on October 10, 2013 at 1:15 PM

The tribe that responded to Snyder’s letter claimed that since Marshall was a racist toward Blacks, then the name Redskins was racist. This belies logic. First if all, the coach at that time was Native American as were 4 of the players. Secondly, why would anyone name a team something that is disparaging? Really getting tired of these attention seeking morons.

fight like a girl on October 10, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Can we get Dan Snyder to either take cave-in Boehner’s place as government opposition or run for the Whitehouse. He has my vote just on his character and courage to fight the Marxist propaganda and government machine.

Don L on October 10, 2013 at 2:11 PM

I’ve personally surprised that with the name Washington in their title Obama did not shut them down as spiritual government property.

Don L on October 10, 2013 at 2:13 PM

So libbie hasn’t visted this thread, or if he has, he’s wimping out of responding.

Typical liberal, never in for a real fight…..

itsspideyman on October 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

A while back, a caller on Dennis Miller’s radio show suggested that they keep the name the same, but just change the mascot to a potato.

Clever.

dmbream on October 10, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Old and Busted: Let the Red Man get ahead, man!
The New Hotness: You can’t say that!

Christien on October 11, 2013 at 12:16 AM

I’m not a Redskins fan, but I believe the name should be left alone. If you change the name, change the name of the Atlanta Braves, too. And the Cleveland Indians. And the Kansas City Chiefs. And the Hawai’i Warriors. And, heck, why not the Dallas Cowboys while you’re at it? Don’t Cowboys use guns? (That’s why when it was time for the Houston Astros to unveil their throwback jerseys – to their Colt 45′s days – the gun on the original jerseys was nowhere to be seen. It wasn’t until public outcry was heard that the gun was restored to the throwbacks.) And the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. Can’t have any religion in sports, after all. (And Arte Moreno is an idiot for making the name change that he did without MLB approval. They are and always will be the California Angels IMNSHO.) For that matter, just do away with mascots completely.

falcon on October 13, 2013 at 10:46 AM

BTW, for those without a working sarcasm gene, the entire previous post was /sarc.

falcon on October 13, 2013 at 10:46 AM

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