Gallup: GOP’s favorable rating drops to 20-year low

posted at 6:41 pm on October 9, 2013 by Allahpundit

Darn it, Ed always gets to post the fun polls while I end up with stuff like this. That’s the key to my eeyorism, you know. It’s not that I’m a pessimist. I’m just stuck with the damned late shift.

The lowest approval rating of either party since Gallup started tracking it in 1992, lower even than the GOP’s numbers were after the Clinton impeachment. And if you click the last link and scroll down, you’ll see that the party’s unfavorability is conversely at an all-time high, a point above where it stood during the financial crisis in late 2008.

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Two obvious caveats. One: National polls of favorability don’t tell you much about individual House districts, most of which are either solidly blue or red. And the news du jour rarely impacts public perceptions of a party so profoundly that it’s still affecting their brand years later. Look no further than the GOP rebound in 2000 in the graph above to see how quickly fortunes can change. It has, however, been a long time since Republicans crossed the water line of 50 percent popularity, thanks mostly to the Iraq-war backlash of Bush’s second term but persisting even through the big red wave of the 2010 midterms. Since they last saw 50, they’ve lost two presidential elections and lost seats in both the House and Senate in 2006, 2008, and 2012. Only during the initial ferocious backlash to Hopenchange three years ago did they gain. Party favorability certainly ain’t everything and maybe it ain’t even much, but it’s something.

Beyond that, the whole idea behind the “defund ObamaCare” strategy, I thought, was that risking a shutdown would draw public attention to the new health-care law, which would in turn boost opposition to it and generate a groundswell of discontent that eventually forced Obama to cave. Maybe that’s happening; there’s no way to tell since there hasn’t been a major poll taken on O-Care since the shutdown. But the fact that Gallup and other polls find the anti-ObamaCare party’s approval dipping lately isn’t an encouraging sign that that strategy’s working. For all the justified trumpeting of this morning’s AP poll that O’s approval rating had dropped to 37 percent, the fine print reveals that Congress’s approval now stands at … just five percent. What exactly is our pitch to Obama right now? That he should abandon his signature domestic achievement because his numbers are falling — even though ours are falling faster? That can’t be the “groundswell” we were hoping for. In fact, ironically, the worse the GOP’s numbers get, the more Obama may feel inclined to stand firm in protecting the law. The public may not like O-Care but they don’t like its critics either.

Two: People will say that the dip in GOP favorability is partly the product of Republican infighting rather than the wider public souring on the party. And, per Gallup, that’s true:

Self-identified Republicans are more than twice as likely to view their own party unfavorably (27%) as Democrats are to see their own party unfavorably (13%). The GOP’s unfavorable rating among Republicans is up eight points from September, compared with a one-point rise in Democratic Party unfavorables among Democrats. These findings may be consistent with the widely circulated narrative that the Republican Party is internally splintered on how best to handle the budgetary negotiations.

Independents, meanwhile, remain unimpressed with both parties: Thirty-two percent view the Democratic Party favorably, while 27% view the Republican Party favorably.

That’s encouraging in the sense that it means the broader popular backlash to the GOP is limited, not so encouraging in that it suggests an unusually deep split between disgruntled RINOs and conservatives. A divided party has its own problems (as we’re seeing vividly right now in Congress). Plus, if we’re going to question poll results by closely scrutinizing intraparty dissension, it’s only fair that we do the same to polls on ObamaCare itself. Opponents, me included, like to tout the fact that the law typically polls 40/55 or thereabouts, but buried in the crosstabs usually is the fact that a chunk of the opposition comes from liberals who think the law doesn’t go far enough. They want single payer, not The One’s insurance-industry boondoggle. How likely are those people to join a Ted-Cruz-led grassroots backlash against the law on grounds that it’s an unconscionable infringement on liberty? Even a devotee of national health care might balk at backing the defund effort on grounds that he doesn’t like the tea partiers who are driving it. In which case, the 40/55 figure doesn’t give you an accurate sense of the extent of the opposition.

Let me ask one question in all earnestness of people who support the “defund” strategy: Is there any conceivable set of facts that would led you to conclude that the strategy itself had failed? Obviously there are ways that it could succeed. We could get a bunch of polls tomorrow showing rising opposition to O-Care followed by the White House deciding that a one-year delay might not be a bad idea after all. That’s a win for Cruz and Lee and a loss for all the RINO skeptics. Conversely, though, if Boehner caves and passes a clean CR/debt-ceiling hike an hour before we’re due to hit the debt limit, that wouldn’t be treated by “defunders” as a defeat for the strategy, it would be treated as a sellout by Boehner and the RINO hordes, who refused to stand firm. Which brings me back to my question: What would have to happen for someone in the “defund” camp to say that the strategy, not RINO sabotage, was mainly to blame for failure? If new polls showed opposition to O-Care staying flat or even declining, would that do it (since it would prove that no groundswell had materialized)? Some people will say “If the GOP loses the House” next year, but that’s not true: That’ll simply be dismissed as the result of disaffected conservatives staying home to protest all the RINOs who broke their hearts again. So, again, what would be the proof that the strategy itself, not Boehner’s treachery, has been a mistake? Is this theory that good things will happen if we just hold firm falsifiable?

And if it’s foolproof, ironclad, 100 percent guaranteed to work, why was our “ask” so small? Why demand defunding ObamaCare instead of repealing it outright or, say, passing a balanced-budget amendment? Why not close down the government until Obama resigns? I don’t get it.


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#winning

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on October 9, 2013 at 6:45 PM

AP. Would you say that you approved of the GOP if asked by a pollster? I know that I wouldn’t.

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 6:45 PM

2o yr. Low?
And that’s just with conservatives and patriots.

Don L on October 9, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Saw this on AceHQ. I agree, I dislike the GOP, and it’s because of azz holes like McCain and Corker. I’m sick of these DC jerkoffs cutting deals with the left.

jawkneemusic on October 9, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Meh no one hates the GOP right now more than conservatives. If the GOP gets their acts together they will be fine.

Jack_Burton on October 9, 2013 at 6:46 PM

I have a blistering unfavourable view of the GOP.

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Makes sense. RINO’s will be angry at the Tea Party and vice-versa until a deal is reached. Whatever happens in the primaries next year, most all of us will be voting against the communists not out of party loyalty but necessity.

crrr6 on October 9, 2013 at 6:47 PM

The public may not like O-Care but they don’t like its critics either.

so what do they like?!?

Sachiko on October 9, 2013 at 6:48 PM

How can they pass anything in the Senate?

cynccook on October 9, 2013 at 6:48 PM

#winning

Can.I.be.in.the.middle.of.O’bama’s.Cult on October 9, 2013 at 6:45 PM

According to Leftist Poll God Nate Silver, Gallup was the least accurate pollster in 2012. 24th out of 24.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/which-polls-fared-best-and-worst-in-the-2012-presidential-race/

F-

Del Dolemonte on October 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Darn it, Ed always gets to post the fun polls while I end up with stuff like this

Well then, focus on this. When was the last time a second-term President dropped to 37% approval in a matter of weeks.

I’m not dismissing polls but you’ve got to admit the Dems engineered the government shutdown with the thought that it was 1995. It hasn’t worked out the way they imagined. This impasse is leaving a mark on the Demonrats as well.

Happy Nomad on October 9, 2013 at 6:50 PM

When a party’s base is so thoroughly disgusted with the leadership, of course their favorable ratings will be low. Both liberals and conservatives hate these sons of bitches.

IronDioPriest on October 9, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Until the Lee and Cruz types are the norm in the GOP, they can suck it. Yea, safe to say I look at the GOP unfavorably right now.

msupertas on October 9, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Hmmmm…Rasmussen has the dems losing 2 points in Congressional head-to-head, now running even with the GOP at 40-40…which usually means a good 5-10 point lead for the GOP.

So…yeah…polls.

Rational Thought on October 9, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Meh no one hates the GOP right now more than conservatives. If the GOP gets their acts together they will be fine.

Jack_Burton on October 9, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Exactly! I know “in the middle” salivates at the mention of this, but largely the GOP is down because their own base hates them right now.

melle1228 on October 9, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Which brings me back to my question: What would have to happen for someone in the “defund” camp to say that the strategy, not RINO sabotage, was mainly to blame for failure?

Someone would have to build a time machine, go back in time, and take the Democrat talking points about the strategy out of the House GOP leadership’s mouth before the strategy even got off the ground.

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 6:51 PM

What do you expect with open warfare in the party? It doesnt add to a partys popularity if there are insider accounts leaking all over the place of Senators yelling at each other in closed door meetings and name calling one another in public.

We can thank our backstabbing moderates for that.

Valkyriepundit on October 9, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Hey Del Dolemonte, you should reunite with your old powerline compatriots at itsaboutliberty dot com.

IronDioPriest on October 9, 2013 at 6:52 PM

What exactly is our pitch to Obama right now? That he should abandon his signature domestic achievement because his numbers are falling — even though ours are falling faster?

That he should abandon Obamacare or have the United States enter into default, and that the choice is his.

Stoic Patriot on October 9, 2013 at 6:52 PM

OT – OK to be a fan of James Woods.

22044 on October 9, 2013 at 6:53 PM

We gave them the House in 2010 to fight all the Ocrap. What have they done? They haven’t stopped the insane spending. They haven’t stopped Obama from filling govt posts with apparatchiks. They nominated the creator of Obamacare. They’ve tried to pass amnesty. They roll over and play dead every chance they get. It’s no surprise their numbers are in the toilet.

txhsmom on October 9, 2013 at 6:54 PM

None of this was game planned out. That’s why the strategy is incoherent. This has always been about who controls the GOP(TEA Party insurgents vs RINO progressive leadership) and not about any specific concession from the Democrats.

Smiles on October 9, 2013 at 6:54 PM

ALLAHPUNDIT: “I don’t get it.”

That’s right. You don’t. Maybe you should weigh in when you figure it out and not before.

doorsxp on October 9, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Middle so how’s Obama doing? He’s likely hit bottom as tards like yourself have a solid 35+ that will be happy with him no matter what. Now fo troll.

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 9, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Hmmmm…Rasmussen has the dems losing 2 points in Congressional head-to-head, now running even with the GOP at 40-40…which usually means a good 5-10 point lead for the GOP.

So…yeah…polls.

Rational Thought on October 9, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Approval doesn’t mean much for Republican pols. Because most Republicans look at government as a necessary evil. Which is to say, at its best, we still don’t approve of it. We just tolerate it.

Head to head polls are more important, but I still don’t like those because I think they end up being the tail that wags the dog.

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

The public may not like O-Care but they don’t like its critics either.

Can we just make the case and let people “like” whomever they want? If we’re a nation that petty, what’s the option? We say, screw the will of the people, they don’t know what they are doing? That would make me McCain. And I’m tired of prostitution.

So, screw the three-dimensional chess is my vote. Win primaries. Repeal Obamacare.

Axe on October 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

#winning
 
Can.I.be.in.the.middle on October 9, 2013 at 6:45 PM

 
Nicely done.

rogerb on October 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Is this theory that good things will happen if we just hold firm falsifiable?

Nope, it’s not falsifiable. Most of the hardcore conservative “strategies” and opinions aren’t falsifiable. But they sound great and get people amped up!!

For what though? Nobody knows. Just the fight. And ultimately the disappointment. Followed by the blame everyone else but us calls.

It’s never their fault. They never fail. They never chose a bad strategy. Someone else just always screws it up.

And so the delusion continues.

Not sure why you ask these questions Allah when you clearly already know the answer and are just trying to gently nudge your readership into a more rational direction that you know their never gonna take. It’s fruitless.

But kudos I suppose to the effort to plant some seeds of rational thought that you hope May one day bloom. I hope I’m wrong and you succeed.

But it’s not rational to begin with, it’s faith based, like liberals on the left with global warming and Keynesian economics. And it’s decidedly NOT falsifiable.

Genuine on October 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM

None of this was game planned out. That’s why the strategy is incoherent.

Smiles on October 9, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Because the leadership has no plans about anything. Except to show up to their offices – paid for by you and me – and get their asses kissed by staff and lobbyists.

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM

The people who want o-care defunded are standing up for what they believe in, a strange concept for those who can’t see beyond the usual talk of ‘strategy’, messaging and polls to grasp i’m sure.

clearbluesky on October 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM

For what though? Nobody knows.

Genuine on October 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Smaller and less invasive government. There. Now you know.

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Hey, arguments are ugly. This is nothing news.

MTF on October 9, 2013 at 7:00 PM

OT – OK to be a fan of James Woods.

22044 on October 9, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Typical White Male.

Punchenko on October 9, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Hot Air’s drumbeat of surrender gets louder by the day.

doorsxp on October 9, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Smaller and less invasive government. There. Now you know.

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM

+1000

melle1228 on October 9, 2013 at 7:01 PM

allah is great and i usually enjoy reading his stuff but when anyone spends 4 or 5 paragraphs explaining something without coming to any conclusion it kinda means you don’t know what you are talking about.

it’s like when you have to spend a whole paragraph explaining a cause of death, you don’t what really killed ‘em.

gracie on October 9, 2013 at 7:02 PM

And so the delusion continues.

Genuine on October 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Hoping for a bad plan to win is more rational than hoping for no plan to win. It’s easier to win with a bad hand than it is to win if you fold. You expect to surrender in battle, after battle, after battle, after battle, and expect to win. That is what is delusional.

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Genuine on October 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM

They are representing their constituents on the platform the were elected. I know it is a strange concept, but there ya go.

melle1228 on October 9, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on October 9, 2013 at 6:45 PM

…sure!…just bring a lot of lotion…your friends may hurt you… when you’re dry!

KOOLAID2 on October 9, 2013 at 7:03 PM

AP. Would you say that you approved of the GOP if asked by a pollster? I know that I wouldn’t.
besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 6:45 PM

For sure, but just as he said, if you were a leftist who wanted single payer would you say you approved of Obamacare, which is decidedly not “government run health care” by any stretch of the imagination but a giant give away to the same private insurance companies that have been gouging both you and the medical providers for decades?

I’ll answer that for you. You wouldn’t. But you all don’t seem to factor that into your “everyone hates Obamacare so we can shut down the government to try to stop it and everyone will end up loving Ted Cruz and the tea party because of it!” beliefs either do you?

How long do you expect the republican house to hold on to that strategy though with approval ratings this low and even the people driving the effort(tea partiers)dogging on them and telling pollsters they disapprove of them as well?

This is the problem here in this community though, THINKING THINGS THROUGH.

Its all just reactionary, hollow, and political theater for no real definable purpose and with no real goal or ending except you guys just blaming everyone else again for a strategy that you’ve driven in the first place.

Genuine on October 9, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Let me ask one question in all earnestness of people who support the “defund” strategy: Is there any conceivable set of facts that would led you to conclude that the strategy itself had failed?

Allah, how do you know that the defund strategy doesnt just max out your start position for negotiations, so that you can get as much as possible? Do you expect Ted Cruz to wink-wink into cameras?

Valkyriepundit on October 9, 2013 at 7:04 PM

How many of these folks are the same ones who don’t know if Obama is a republican or a democrat?

xblade on October 9, 2013 at 7:04 PM

ALLAHPUNDIT: “I don’t get it.”

That’s right. You don’t. Maybe you should weigh in when you figure it out and not before.

doorsxp on October 9, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Wow. Is there a secret contest for rudest commenter? If you have such a low opinion of Allah why did you even read this?

cynccook on October 9, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Let me ask one question in all earnestness of people who support the “defund” strategy: Is there any conceivable set of facts that would led you to conclude that the strategy itself had failed?

Let me ask one question in all earnestness of people who oppose the “defund” strategy: Is there any conceivable set of facts that would lead you to conclude that the strategy itself had succeeded?

xblade on October 9, 2013 at 7:08 PM

This is the problem here in this community though, THINKING THINGS THROUGH.

Genuine on October 9, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Sure. Think thinks through. But, that must be followed by action. The GOP House leadership thinks things through (maybe – who knows – there is no evidence to actually support this notion), develop a strategy (again – who knows if this ever occurs), and then act (this definitely doesn’t occur). The GOP House has demonstrated zero evidence in 3 years that they have really any plans to do anything about runaway government – i.e., what they were elected to do.

So, yeah. Now we have what I consider a bad, last-minute, hair-brained plan going. But, it’s better than the no plan the GOP leadership has been giving us. We don’t say fortune favors the bold for nothing.

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 7:10 PM

What would have to happen for someone in the “defund” camp to say that the strategy, not RINO sabotage, was mainly to blame for failure?

The beauty is that it can’t fail, by definition. We have the House, period. That means we either get Obamacare eliminated, or shut down the government and stop the debt from increasing. Either way, that’s a success. Granted, the former is preferable to the latter, but the latter isn’t going to have conservatives crying.

The only reason for failure is RINO sabotage. That would involve us letting the government open up, raising the debt ceiling, and allowing Obamacare to continue with nothing to show for it. And for that to happen, that means RINO sabotage would have to occur, because otherwise we have the numbers to continue this indefinitely.

Stoic Patriot on October 9, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Who cares? I mean seriously who really cares about this poll right now? If people start caving in because of one or two polls then we as a country are dead because the left controls the media and they are the ones running the narrative right now, until it comes to election day.

Take Wisconsin for example. Most early polls showed the Governor losing big time in the recall and it didn’t happen.

Take the recall efforts in Colorado. Polls showed the recall effort failing miserably until a week or so before the actual vote, and then people started worrying but it was too late.

We are 13 months out from election day, and polls are meaningless at this time.

Johnnyreb on October 9, 2013 at 7:12 PM

How many of these folks are the same ones who don’t know if Obama is a republican or a democrat?

xblade on October 9, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Exactly.

Punchenko on October 9, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Caving now would be the worst possible outcome now. Win or bust.

El_Terrible on October 9, 2013 at 7:13 PM

27% inter-party disapproval seems astonishingly high, which just proves what we’ve been saying all along: Dems are lemming-like true believers, whereas Repubs are mostly disappointed in the GOP and only vote for them because they’re the lesser of two evils.

Good Solid B-Plus on October 9, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Its all just reactionary, hollow, and political theater for no real definable purpose and with no real goal or ending except you guys just blaming everyone else again for a strategy that you’ve driven in the first place.

Genuine on October 9, 2013 at 7:03 PM

This is leadership’s responsibility. To have a wish list that they can negotiate with. That they don’t is political malpractice. There are many, many alternatives that I’d like to see come out of this. Obviously, I’d like to stop or damage Obamacare, but there are other things that I’d accept – partial privatization of SS (i.e., the Perry Scheme), flat tax, etc., etc., etc.

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Is this theory that good things will happen if we just hold firm falsifiable?
 
Nope, it’s not falsifiable. Most of the hardcore conservative “strategies” and opinions aren’t falsifiable. But they sound great and get people amped up!!

 
Genuine on October 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM

 

Genuine, knowing that $95 will barely cover a routine doctor visit and that hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay, do you think Obamacare will do anything to change the free rider problem?
 
rogerb on October 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM

 
Well it’ll do more to address it than simply scrapping the whole thing and going back to the old system where it was a huge problem driving up health care costs for everyone exorbitantly…
 
Genuine on October 7, 2013 at 1:33 PM

 

That’s a faith based position. I’m not interested in your religion.
 
Specifics, please.
 
If a person who couldn’t afford or didn’t want insurance in “the old system where it was a huge problem driving up health care costs for everyone exorbitantly” can continue with only a 1% fine/tax and still maintain exactly the same level of care (and expense), how does Obamacare change that?
 
rogerb on October 7, 2013 at 1:40 PM

 
Ha.
 
You were saying?

rogerb on October 9, 2013 at 7:14 PM

I’m not dismissing polls but you’ve got to admit the Dems engineered the government shutdown with the thought that it was 1995.

Happy Nomad on October 9, 2013 at 6:50 PM

#1. When the Republicans threatened to shut down the government the FIRST TIME, Obama gave in by extending tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires.

#2. When the Republicans threatened to shut down the government the SECOND TIME, Obama gave in again by making harsh cuts to domestic programs.

#3. When the Republicans threatened to shut down the government the THIRD TIME, Obama once again gave in and granted them the sequester, involving even more severe budget cuts – cuts to science, cuts to education, cuts to help for pregnant women, cuts to food stamps.

#4. Speaker of the House Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) promised he wouldn’t attach demands to the Senate funding bill if it was brought in at the Republican level.”
“So the Democrats gave in again and the Senate passed a clean continuing resolution with the REPUBLICAN levels of funding for government agencies that the Republicans WANTEDNOT what Democrats wanted, $988 billion.”

#3. FreedomWorks
Coalition Letter: Congress Must Honor Sequester Savings and Defund ObamaCare Before It Is Too Late
February 14, 2013 “presents an opportunity to achieve even more savings by defunding and stopping the implementation of Obamacare,” http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/ryanriebe/joint-letter-on-sequester-savings

#4. Fox News
80 House members: Shutdown better than ObamaCare
August 23, 2013 “More than a third of House Republicans urged their leader Thursday to trigger a government shutdown rather than fund the implementation of the health care overhaul they call “ObamaCare.” http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/23/80-house-members-shutdown-better-than-obamacare/

#5. Tea Party Patriots
Get your Defunding Obamacare Toolkit
September 10, 2013 http://www.teapartypatriots.org/2013/09/get-your-defunding-obamacare-toolkit/

#6. They actually told REPUBLICANS what to Tweet.
The key hashtags are:

#DontFundIt

#DefundObamacare

.@Senate_GOPs Stand with @TedCruz! #DontFundIt #MakeDCListen

.@LindseyGrahamSC Your vote for cloture was a vote to fund #ObamaCare #DontFundIt

.@TedCruz & .@SenMikeLee thank you for standing strong. #DontFundIt
Call both of your Senators today 202.224.3121 and ask them to delay #Obamacare. #DontFundIt #MakeDCListen

If all of Obama’s friends deserve #Obamacare waivers, don’t the rest of us deserve a one-year delay? #DontFundIt #MakeDCListen

#ObamaCare isn’t ready for Big Labor, Big Government, or Big Business, so they all got exemptions. What about the rest of us? #DontFundIt #MakeDCListen

#7. They not only knew that the Republican Party would be blamed for the shutdown they engineered, they came up with talking points to repeat to the media in order to try to deflect said blame:

1. What happens when you shut down the government and you are blamed for it?

—> We are simply calling to fund the entire government except for the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare.

—> If Congress is willing to defund this terrible law and stand up for the American people, the American people will support them.

JustTheFacts on October 9, 2013 at 7:14 PM

BTW, glad I could give you a new phrase.
 

But it’s not rational to begin with, it’s faith based…
 
Genuine on October 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM

rogerb on October 9, 2013 at 7:15 PM

I’m not dismissing polls but you’ve got to admit the Dems engineered the government shutdown with the thought that it was 1995.

Happy Nomad on October 9, 2013 at 6:50 PM

#1. When the Republicans threatened to shut down the government the FIRST TIME, Obama gave in by extending tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires.

#2. When the Republicans threatened to shut down the government the SECOND TIME, Obama gave in again by making harsh cuts to domestic programs.

#3. When the Republicans threatened to shut down the government the THIRD TIME, Obama once again gave in and granted them the sequester, involving even more severe budget cuts – cuts to science, cuts to education, cuts to help for pregnant women, cuts to food stamps.

#4. Speaker of the House Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) promised he wouldn’t attach demands to the Senate funding bill if it was brought in at the Republican level.”
“So the Democrats gave in again and the Senate passed a clean continuing resolution with the REPUBLICAN levels of funding for government agencies that the Republicans WANTEDNOT what Democrats wanted, $988 billion.”

#3. FreedomWorks
Coalition Letter: Congress Must Honor Sequester Savings and Defund ObamaCare Before It Is Too Late
February 14, 2013 “presents an opportunity to achieve even more savings by defunding and stopping the implementation of Obamacare,” http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/ryanriebe/joint-letter-on-sequester-savings

#4. Fox News
80 House members: Shutdown better than ObamaCare
August 23, 2013 “More than a third of House Republicans urged their leader Thursday to trigger a government shutdown rather than fund the implementation of the health care overhaul they call “ObamaCare.” http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/23/80-house-members-shutdown-better-than-obamacare/

#5. Tea Party Patriots
Get your Defunding Obamacare Toolkit
September 10, 2013 http://www.teapartypatriots.org/2013/09/get-your-defunding-obamacare-toolkit/

#6. They actually told REPUBLICANS what to Tweet.
The key hashtags are:

#DontFundIt

#DefundObamacare

.@Senate_GOPs Stand with @TedCruz! #DontFundIt #MakeDCListen

.@LindseyGrahamSC Your vote for cloture was a vote to fund #ObamaCare #DontFundIt

.@TedCruz & .@SenMikeLee thank you for standing strong. #DontFundIt
Call both of your Senators today 202.224.3121 and ask them to delay #Obamacare. #DontFundIt #MakeDCListen

If all of Obama’s friends deserve #Obamacare waivers, don’t the rest of us deserve a one-year delay? #DontFundIt #MakeDCListen

#ObamaCare isn’t ready for Big Labor, Big Government, or Big Business, so they all got exemptions. What about the rest of us? #DontFundIt #MakeDCListen

#7. They not only knew that the Republican Party would be blamed for the shutdown they engineered, they came up with talking points to repeat to the media in order to try to deflect said blame:

1. What happens when you shut down the government and you are blamed for it?

—> We are simply calling to fund the entire government except for the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare.

—> If Congress is willing to defund this terrible law and stand up for the American people, the American people will support them.

JustTheFacts on October 9, 2013 at 7:15 PM

JustTheFacts on October 9, 2013 at 7:14 PM

 
+1

rogerb on October 9, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Let me ask one question in all earnestness of people who oppose the “defund” strategy: Is there any conceivable set of facts that would lead you to conclude that the strategy itself had succeeded?

xblade on October 9, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Read the post. AP explicitly described evidence that would lead him to conclude the strategy had succeeded. So he’s put up, but I don’t see any answer to his challenge from the defunders yet.

Jazzman on October 9, 2013 at 7:15 PM

OT – OK to be a fan of James Woods.

22044 on October 9, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Always thought he was fine actor, even assuming he was like the rest of the Hollow-wood garbage, vacuous and liberal. Glad I was wrong about the latter.

TXUS on October 9, 2013 at 7:15 PM

The beauty is that it can’t fail, by definition. We have the House, period. That means we either get Obamacare eliminated, or shut down the government and stop the debt from increasing. Either way, that’s a success.

Stoic Patriot on October 9, 2013 at 7:12 PM

I hate to agree with Stoic Patriot, but every once in awhile, the Big-Brother-Loving Stoic Patriot finds a bone.

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 7:16 PM

JustTheFacts on October 9, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Quoting is hard.

Good Solid B-Plus on October 9, 2013 at 7:16 PM

JustTheFacts on October 9, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Hey, that’s no fair. Discrediting your own argument before we have the chance to.

kingsjester on October 9, 2013 at 7:16 PM

I don’t get it.

Those last 4 words from Allahpundit pretty much sums up a lot if the RINO problem.

bgibbs1000 on October 9, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Agreed, the GOP has become demorat-trash lite, and when you’re going to vote for human garbage you will vote for the real thing.

For the 52%’ers out there who were already or decided to go full retard, what do you expect, Bark could murder his own children on live tv with a baseball bat and all they would say is “Wow, what a great swing”.

Bishop on October 9, 2013 at 7:17 PM

JustTheFacts on October 9, 2013 at 7:14 PM

It’s ok, I had problems with 5th grade too; we’ve all been there, man, we’ve all been there.

Bishop on October 9, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I find the poll pretty meaningless. The above chart demonstrates that democrats consistently run ahead of the GOP regardless of what’s going on. Look at the gap between ’06 and ’10 when dumb-as-hammers Pelosi was in charge, the gap being the widest during the financial meltdown. On what planet does that make sense? Answer: one in which ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, LAT, etc. provide the narrative.

Erich66 on October 9, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Why not close down the government until Obama resigns? I don’t get it.

That would have been a better starting negotiation position than the House GOP leadership’s initial offer of – we’ll give you whatever you want. Until, Cruz et al. forced his hand.

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Oh Lord, another attack of CutAndPasteBoy. Just what we need.

slickwillie2001 on October 9, 2013 at 7:20 PM

For sure, but just as he said, if you were a leftist who wanted single payer would you say you approved of Obamacare, which is decidedly not “government run health care” by any stretch of the imagination but a giant give away to the same private insurance companies that have been gouging both you and the medical providers for decades?

I’ll answer that for you. You wouldn’t. But you all don’t seem to factor that into your “everyone hates Obamacare so we can shut down the government to try to stop it and everyone will end up loving Ted Cruz and the tea party because of it!” beliefs either do you?

How long do you expect the republican house to hold on to that strategy though with approval ratings this low and even the people driving the effort(tea partiers)dogging on them and telling pollsters they disapprove of them as well?

Genuine on October 9, 2013 at 7:03 PM

I’ll answer for you: you would and you do. Most Democrats will support Obamacare no matter what. Sure, it’s not what you want ideally, but since it destroys the traditional insurance market, it moves the ball in your direction. Furthermore, to not support it would mean undermining your black Jesus – a non-starter.

To your other point, the way I see it we’re in a war of attrition with the Democrats right now, which is fine by me. Obama is hemorrhaging support too. Most congressional Republicans are pretty much firewalled from losing – much more so than the many red state Democrats up for reelection who will be increasingly at risk as the fallout from Obamacare metastasizes. The shutdown has only really hurt government workers, and they’re not our voters anyway.

crrr6 on October 9, 2013 at 7:20 PM

If I’m asked for my job approval of Republicans and I think of Boehner, Cantor, King and even Ryan, I will likely answer disapprove, in a straight up question. But if I think in mind’s eye about Cruz and Lee I will likely answer that I approve. So not exactly a fair question.

As for what would make me see the strategy as a failure, well, I’ll turn the tables and ask, what would cause the RINOs to think it a success? Probably nothing, even to the point of Obama’s outright resignation and the total dissolution of the Obamacare idea and legislation. Why? Because the RINOs actually like the power of government that is attached to such giant government programs, and so they don’t truly desire its delay, defunding or repeal…but they may wish to nibble at its edges to prove their bonafides.

The strategy has already been a success. Sure, people don’t like the government shutdown in any capacity, and they will instinctively blame the Republicans in the short term, but not a day goes by now without an Obamacare horror story. And the shutdown has revealed the Obama Administration’s bent toward tyranny splayed out in the open for all to see. Eventually the connection will be made in the public’s mind that such tyranny will be duplicated a hundred-fold through the Obamacare administrative mechanisms…in a banality of evil sense not seen since Nuremberg.

Whatever happens, Obamacare and Obama’s brand of tyranny are now forever conflated.

JonPrichard on October 9, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Of course the uninformed despise Republicans

They hear it non-stop on every tv channel and webpage they visit…and I’m not referring to news’ channels or news’ websites

The propaganda is everywhere they go on the net and every tv channel

The Dems have mastered social media and they controlled msm for many years. Their work is done

I don’t see how the GOP survives.

Redford on October 9, 2013 at 7:21 PM

SHUT IT ALL DOWN!

GarandFan on October 9, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Of course the uninformed despise Republicans

They hear it non-stop on every tv channel and webpage they visit…and I’m not referring to news’ channels or news’ websites

The propaganda is everywhere they go on the net and every tv channel

The Dems have mastered social media and they controlled msm for many years. Their work is done

I don’t see how the GOP survives.

Redford on October 9, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Unfortunately, that’s the way I see it, too.

cynccook on October 9, 2013 at 7:24 PM

So most here honestly believe that it was a deliberately planed, coordinated and engineered government shutdown led by the DEMOCRATS and not the republicans?

So what about the FOUR times the republicans previously threatened a government shut down?

FreedomWorks
Coalition Letter: Congress Must Honor Sequester Savings and Defund ObamaCare Before It Is Too Late
February 14, 2013 “presents an opportunity to achieve even more savings by defunding and stopping the implementation of Obamacare,” http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/ryanriebe/joint-letter-on-sequester-savings

Fox News
80 House members: Shutdown better than ObamaCare
August 23, 2013 “More than a third of House Republicans urged their leader Thursday to trigger a government shutdown rather than fund the implementation of the health care overhaul they call “ObamaCare.” http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/23/80-house-members-shutdown-better-than-obamacare/

Tea Party Patriots
Get your Defunding Obamacare Toolkit
September 10, 2013 http://www.teapartypatriots.org/2013/09/get-your-defunding-obamacare-toolkit/

They actually told REPUBLICANS what to Tweet.
The key hashtags are:

#DontFundIt

#DefundObamacare

.@Senate_GOPs Stand with @TedCruz! #DontFundIt #MakeDCListen

.@LindseyGrahamSC Your vote for cloture was a vote to fund #ObamaCare #DontFundIt

.@TedCruz & .@SenMikeLee thank you for standing strong. #DontFundIt
Call both of your Senators today 202.224.3121 and ask them to delay #Obamacare. #DontFundIt #MakeDCListen

If all of Obama’s friends deserve #Obamacare waivers, don’t the rest of us deserve a one-year delay? #DontFundIt #MakeDCListen

#ObamaCare isn’t ready for Big Labor, Big Government, or Big Business, so they all got exemptions. What about the rest of us? #DontFundIt #MakeDCListen

They not only knew that the Republican Party would be blamed for the shutdown they engineered, they came up with talking points to repeat to the media in order to try to deflect said blame:

1. What happens when you shut down the government and you are blamed for it?

—> We are simply calling to fund the entire government except for the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare.

—> If Congress is willing to defund this terrible law and stand up for the American people, the American people will support them.

JustTheFacts on October 9, 2013 at 7:24 PM

So, again, what would be the proof that the strategy itself, not Boehner’s treachery, has been a mistake?

Primary losses by tea party congressmen to RINO challengers.

wolfsDad on October 9, 2013 at 7:24 PM

crrr6 on October 9, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Not only undermining Dog Eater, but it would force them to admit they got suckered by the dude, and if there’s one thing that the self-professed smartest people in any room will never ever never never EVER do is admit they were suckered.

It’s flyover rubes from Nowheresville, USA who get taken, not the intelligent coasties who carry around certain books not because they understand the content but because they’re trying to impress their fellow hipsters.

Bishop on October 9, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Polls! I love polls.

What’s the down and dirty on 2016?

davidk on October 9, 2013 at 7:24 PM

BTW:
 

Well it’ll do more…
 
Genuine on October 7, 2013 at 1:33 PM

 
That’s a faith based position. I’m not interested in your religion.
 
Specifics, please.
 
rogerb on October 7, 2013 at 1:40 PM

 

But it’s not rational to begin with, it’s faith based…
 
Genuine on October 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM

 
rogerb on October 9, 2013 at 7:15 PM

 
The most comical part is that you certainly read the post but obviously had no counter to my point about free riders, but instead of incorporating something constructive and informative…
 
Glad I could help expand your clever use of language, though.
 
How very genuine.
 
Care to try again at all?

rogerb on October 9, 2013 at 7:29 PM

“I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.”

Edith Sitwell

MichaelGabriel on October 9, 2013 at 7:29 PM

How bad has it gotten?

The GOP is now less popular than the Jar Jar Biggs character from that Star Wars movie.

The GOP is less popular than the clap.

The GOP is less popular than Hurricane Sandy.

MJBrutus on October 9, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Gallup: GOP’s favorable rating drops to 20-year low

That’s weird, their favorable rating dropped with me, too.

SailorMark on October 9, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Levin just ran over Ron Johnson and then backed up and did it again. The Senator couldn’t answer a question. It was painful.

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 7:34 PM

To make you feel better, I’m a Libertarian and would say I have an unfavorable impression of the GOP. It is mainly because they are rat-weasels who don’t give a damn about liberty. They are just the flip side of the coin to the liberal socialists. To make you feel better…or something…a pox on both your houses…of course Libertarians are open-border idiots…so there is that.

Panther on October 9, 2013 at 7:35 PM

I don’t think the GPO favorability rating has dropped because the people like the dhimocrapts more, I think the party is in disfavor by dhimocrapts, the main stream press, the RINOS who don’t like the competition of ideas and conservatives, and the conservative/tea party people who are getting tired of being put down and insulted by by all of the above. Ain’t it amazing the answers you can get from a politicized pollster who gets to determine how thee questions are asked, and who is asked. Ain’t it amazin’ that AP never mentions this.

Old Country Boy on October 9, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Panther on October 9, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Day by day I see more and more wisdom in the quip, “Don’t vote. It only encourages the bastards.”

MJBrutus on October 9, 2013 at 7:39 PM

JustTheFacts on October 9, 2013 at 7:14 PM

.
Duh, wut?

ExpressoBold on October 9, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Day by day I see more and more wisdom in the quip, “Don’t vote. It only encourages the bastards.”

MJBrutus on October 9, 2013 at 7:39 PM

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Yeah, that’s why Democrats let the dead do their voting for them…

ExpressoBold on October 9, 2013 at 7:45 PM

That’s weird, their favorable rating dropped with me, too.

SailorMark on October 9, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Yeah, but your drop is a false-flag. :)

This is all part of Boehner’s master plan, Boehner being an Obama acolyte, Obama being an Alinsky acolyte, Alinsky being one of the crab people.

. . . I’ll be blessed, that does make as much sense as any other explanation of the GOP’s behavior lately.

Alright. Crab people, then.

^ New working theory.

Axe on October 9, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Day by day I see more and more wisdom in the quip, “Don’t vote. It only encourages the bastards.”

MJBrutus on October 9, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Hahaha

Panther on October 9, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Hmmmm…Rasmussen has the dems losing 2 points in Congressional head-to-head, now running even with the GOP at 40-40…which usually means a good 5-10 point lead for the GOP.
So…yeah…polls.
Rational Thought on October 9, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Haha! Yeah!! I remember this theory about polls!! It was completely proved by the 2012 election!!!

/

Genuine on October 9, 2013 at 7:50 PM

JustTheFacts on October 9, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Thread Won.

libfreeordie on October 9, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Outside of actual elected officials, who are these moderate Republicans I keep hearing about? They’re certainly not the ones who stayed home last November. And they don’t comment on blogs. So they’re what? Low information voters who could be persuaded to vote for Hillary if she just promises them enough cheese?

Don’t really want ‘em in my party anyway.

BKeyser on October 9, 2013 at 7:59 PM

JustTheFacts on October 9, 2013 at 7:15 PM

 
Tell us where you plagiarized it from, JTF.

rogerb on October 9, 2013 at 8:02 PM

I’m not interested in being popular, only in finding and living with the truth.

I guess that’s why I’m not a politician and why I also HATE pretty much everyone who is, regardless of affiliation.

The only thing worse than the Republicans are the Democrats.

leereyno on October 9, 2013 at 8:04 PM

libfreeordie on October 9, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Lolz. That moron thinks Obama and Reid have agreed to spend less than $1 trillion in FY2014, which will be quite the trick considering we pay more than that out in SS/MC.

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Let me ask one question in all earnestness of people who support the “defund” strategy: Is there any conceivable set of facts that would led you to conclude that the strategy itself had failed?

By standing up for what’s right, they’ve already won.

By the way, people like you seem to think conservatism lives or dies by the Republican party’s fortunes. It doesn’t.

smiley on October 9, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Thread Won.

libfreeordie on October 9, 2013 at 7:57 PM


… and just for good measure…

Thread Won.

libfreeordie on October 9, 2013 at 7:57 PM


Fixed… just to be obstructionist.

ExpressoBold on October 9, 2013 at 8:20 PM

JustTheFacts on October 9, 2013 at 7:15 PM

 
Tell us where you plagiarized it from, JTF.
 
rogerb on October 9, 2013 at 8:02 PM

 
Tell us where you plagiarized this from, JTF.

rogerb on October 9, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Who cares, there’s plenty of time left for a correction. Most of this polling garbage is designed to influence and not inform. Furthermore, much of the problem is attached to Republicans and other conservatives who don’t believe their Party is being tough enough. Reasonable people must forget about the pollsters and fight on.

rplat on October 9, 2013 at 8:22 PM

I guess we should PANIC because people don’t like us!!!! OMG Because you know…the GOP has been beloved by so many for so long…or whatever.

The bottom falling out of GOP likability that you see is a direct result of millions of conservatives finally realizing that Boehner, McConnell and their henchman have no intention of implementing constitutional limited government.

Afterseven on October 9, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Thread Won.

libfreeordie on October 9, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Yeah, copypasta from DailyKOS *always* wins threads!

Good Solid B-Plus on October 9, 2013 at 8:36 PM

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