Consensus building on right for a short-term debt-ceiling hike?

posted at 1:21 pm on October 9, 2013 by Allahpundit

Boehner and Cantor met with Pelosi and Steny Hoyer today per Robert Costa, who says “[a] House Republican tells me the terms of a short-term debt-limit extension are being discussed, but nothing is finalized.” Wait a sec — I thought Boehner and especially Paul Ryan wanted to merge shutdown negotiations with debt-ceiling negotiations in order to maximize the GOP’s leverage over Obama. That’s their best bet to get a — well, not a grand bargain on deficit reduction, but a nice-first-step bargain. If they punt on the debt ceiling, even for a few weeks, then Boehner and his leadership team will be forced to extract concessions from O first on the shutdown and then again on the debt at a moment when they’re having tremendous difficulty extracting concessions even on the package of the two. And that means they might end up disappointing conservatives twice instead of once. As one GOP strategist said last week, “If you’re going to take a bullet, you want to take just one.”

Precisely for that reason, tea partiers like Erick Erickson are calling for negotiations not to be merged. Once they’re merged, ObamaCare will be quietly forgotten in the name of striking a major deal on entitlement reform and new revenue. If you want to keep ObamaCare front and center, you should in theory want to punt now on the debt limit and force Boehner to focus on shutdown negotiations. The O-Care debate is what instigated the shutdown in the first place; if Boehner and Ryan want a grand bargain on entitlements, they’re welcome to address that separately in debt-ceiling negotiations later. Says Erickson:

They do not want a stand alone fight on Obamacare. They want to conflate it with the debt ceiling so they can do a grand bargain and leave Obamacare alone.

Consider Rep. Paul Ryan’s op-ed in the Wall Street Journal. He wants a grand bargain and not once mentions Obamacare. Not once…

What’s more, if the debt ceiling gets pushed to just before Christmas, the GOP will collapse in that fight just like they did with Obamacare in 2009…

Regardless, the only path to victory in this shutdown is to keep our fire on Obamacare and our focus on the defunding effort. We can still undermine Obamacare, but we need to resist the attempt to merge this with the debt limit and hold the line on the continuing resolution. Otherwise we will lose on both.

Solution: A short-term debt-ceiling hike. The heads of conservative PACs also sound rosier lately about the idea of a debt-ceiling hike:

Michael Needham, CEO of the powerful group Heritage Action, said that he opposed conditioning a crucial vote to increase the government’s borrowing authority on the group’s main goal: defunding Obamacare…

“I’m sure the markets will react negatively,” he said, even if, as he suggested was possible, the Treasury could “prioritize” interest payments to foreign bondholders.

Rather than try to hold the debt ceiling vote hostage to the defunding of Obamacare, he said, the better “tactical” course for Heritage and other key foes of the administration is to continue to focus on annual spending — and on allowing the full opening of government only if Obamacare is dismantled…

Matt Kibbe, the president and CEO of the influential conservative group FreedomWorks, also said in a Wednesday interview with The Huffington Post that the debt ceiling should be raised in order to keep the Obamacare fight focused on the continuing resolution.

Forget the debt ceiling, at least for now, and dig in on the shutdown in order to extract concessions on O-Care. That’s safer for the global economy, better for America, and therefore also better politically for the GOP since it banishes the specter of default. For just that reason, Democrats will have no choice but to agree to it, no matter how strategically disastrous it might be to their interests:

As things stands, the White House is saying it won’t negotiate to raise the debt ceiling, while Republicans are expressing sublime confidence that the White House ultimately will deal, as it has in the past. From my own conversations with administration officials, and from all the reporting and public statements I’ve seen to this effect, I’m fairly certain the White House isn’t going to retreat. But the fact is that there’s some ambiguity out there in light of the recent history. Unfortunately, a short-term debt-limit increase would only exacerbate this ambiguity. Given that a short-term increase would make it harder to preserve the no-negotiation posture (as explained in the previous paragraph), it would be plausible to interpret the short-term increase as an indication that Democrats do in fact want to negotiate. That’s completely at odds with what Democrats want John Boehner to believe, and (as I say) with what I think the reality is. But it’s the message Republicans will take away. If there’s a short-term increase, Boehner’s going to hold out longer into the process than if there isn’t one.

The whole point of the Democrats’ “no negotiations until you end the fiscal brinksmanship” strategy is to convince Republicans that they should never try this again. If they agree to a short-term hike while the GOP’s holding out for shutdown concessions, they’re signaling the opposite, that the fear factor in default is such that they’re bound on bend on it in the name of averting catastrophe. But what else can they do? After comparing the GOP to suicide bombers and terrorists for weeks, they’re not about to reject a clean debt-ceiling hike offered by Boehner just because it isn’t long enough. In fact, Obama himself has already hinted about being amendable to a short-term hike, which undermines Reid’s “no negotiations” stance.

So conservatives like the idea of a hike, Democrats have no choice but to agree, and Boehner … also has no choice but to agree, I guess? As noted above, a short-term hike is the opposite of what he’d prefer; he wants one merged negotiation so that he can get something, be it chained CPI or a new bipartisan commission on tax reform or whatever, to show his caucus that he “won.” As it is, if the debt limit is raised now for a few weeks, he’s stuck managing the futile demands to defund/limit ObamaCare. And what happens to his debt-ceiling leverage next month if, as most everyone expects, he ends up caving first on the shutdown? Does he dig in twice as hard on the debt limit, with absolute determination to get something meaningful there? Or, with his caucus unhappy and split, does he fold there too and see his Speakership collapse? Tell me what a “happy ending” looks like here.

Update: John McCormack zeroes in on another part of Needham’s comments this morning. If the strategy here is to defund ObamaCare by keeping the government closed, why does the GOP keep offering to pass smaller bills that would get major departments and agenices back up and running?

Passing bills in the House to fund a variety of programs–such as Head Start, NIH, veterans benefits, WIC–is “a great strategy” in Needham’s opinion. “Inevitably at some point I think the pressure on the Senate to fund veterans will cause them to do it,” he said.

But if the most vital parts of government are funded, wouldn’t that decrease the pressure to defund Obamacare?

“If we want to sit in a government shutdown for the next several weeks over at the NRLB and the EPA…I’m perfectly happy to sit in that situation until the president stops this unaffordable and unfair law,” Needham said.

Why would President Obama permanently defund his signature health care law in order to fully fund agencies like the EPA and NRLB (whose furloughed employees will certainly receive back pay when the shutdown ends)?

Follow the link for Needham’s reply.


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Shut it down. No compromise, you surrender monkeys.

I’m all out of spit to spew Boehner’s way.

Wino on October 9, 2013 at 1:23 PM

So the thug wins ?

burrata on October 9, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Robert Costa

WOW, That paid dividends already for Obama.

Part of the Obama Five approved “conservatives” already caving, and carrying his water.

Waiting for Kathleen Parker, Krauthammer, Byron York and that other clown to chime in.

PappyD61 on October 9, 2013 at 1:24 PM

I’m so sick of the stench of the cesspool.

OhEssYouCowboys on October 9, 2013 at 1:25 PM

President Obama met Tuesday afternoon with a small group of conservative reporters, columnists and commentators for an off-the-record discussion.

The group, according to a source familiar with the meeting, included Wall Street Journal editorial page editor Paul Gigot, National Review Washington editor Robert Costa, Washington Examiner columnist Byron York, syndicated columnists Kathleen Parker and Washington Post columnist and Fox News contributor Charles Krauthammer.

Obama and the journalists talked for about 90 minutes in the Roosevelt room.

Costa tweeted after that it was an honor to meet Obama SMMMMMMMMMMOOOOOCH, but did not elaborate on the discussion. Given the off the record ground rules, it’s unlikely attendees will discuss exactly what was said inside.

Big slobbery wet kisses from the OBAMA FIVE coming already. Was there any foreplay during the meeting or did they just immediately start the lovin?

PappyD61 on October 9, 2013 at 1:26 PM

No.

Blake on October 9, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Damn you, you fools!! If you cave now, you will surely pay for this….

HomeoftheBrave on October 9, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Fight, and keep fighting these pathetic d.c. clowns.

For example,

Let Senator Mark Pryor who is up for re-election in 2014, know how you feel if you live in or have family living in Arkansas.

Little Rock, AR 72201
p: (501) 324-6336

Toll Free From Arkansas
p: (877) 259-9602

Like his facebook page, and start commenting. Tweet to his campaign offices and staff about your thoughts on Pryors’ positions.

POUND, POUND, POUND.

Alinsky rules for Radicals, #8

“Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”

PappyD61 on October 9, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Damn you, you fools!! If you cave now, you we will surely pay for this….

HomeoftheBrave on October 9, 2013 at 1:30 PM

FIFY

Wino on October 9, 2013 at 1:33 PM

“Tell me what a “happy ending” looks like here.”

The political elite ruling class will still need people to clean their toilets…?

Seven Percent Solution on October 9, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Tell me what a “happy ending” looks like here.

Shutdown- Individual mandate delay. Medical Tax repeal.

Debt Ceiling- substantive and specific spending cuts to offset the increased ceiling. No vague promises of entitlement reform but real measurable cuts.

Happy Nomad on October 9, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Costa is a perfect example of why I don’t visit National Review any longer.

The Good Doctor on October 9, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Squishy gop strikes again

cmsinaz on October 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM

You can tell who has the moral advantage by noticing which group has to make highly public spectacles of the government actually being shut down.
 
Without them no one would really be able to tell.* So yeah, go ahead and give up, guys.
 
 
*It’s why Obama’s signs laughably use capital letters to emphasize the point, too. We’re dealing with children.

rogerb on October 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM

There. Is. No. Debt. Ceiling.

equanimous on October 9, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Consensus among whom? A short term deal is a no-condition debt ceiling hike. The fact that it isn’t for eternity like the Democrats want doesn’t change that fact.

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Shouldn’t the trolls be here already ?

burrata on October 9, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Shouldn’t the trolls be here already ?

burrata on October 9, 2013 at 1:42 PM

To them, anything short of unconditional surrender on the part of Republicans is a defeat for Obama.

They’ve become quite the little ‘intransigents.’

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Tell me what a “happy ending” looks like here.

We take the Senate.

As it is, if the debt limit is raised now for a few weeks, he’s stuck managing the futile demands to defund/limit ObamaCare.

–isn’t enough. Dismantling Obamacare is enough. If it’s futile, it has to stop being futile. It’s a hill to stand and die on.

Boehner’s cooked because he has to use the old, smile and pretend rules. But we’re not smiling anymore. He can declare whatever he’d like, and I hope he’s made retirement plans. We know how all this compromise press conference business ends. McCain will be there. They’re going to smile and blow smoke up our collective ass, and national “conservative” journalists just back from secret meetings with Obama are going to repeat the strategery parts of your post.

Nope. And be sure and pack Ryan.

/rant

Axe on October 9, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Let’s wait to see what Johnny Mc has to say about this…

d1carter on October 9, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Why must we choose between getting concessions on the CR or the debt limit when we could extract concessions on both?

youngTXcon on October 9, 2013 at 1:44 PM

“We will not surrender”….hmmmmmm.

d1carter on October 9, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Once again we’re starting to see what weak spineless fools we keep sending to DC – and once again we act surprised when they shaft us.

katiejane on October 9, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Do what’s right. Walk away until Obama comes to the table. Leave Harry Reid out of it but bring in Ted Cruz and Mike Lee. If Phil Graham is available let him run the numbers on the proposals. Let Max Bauchus in too. Between the constitution and economic reality a solution can be found.

DanMan on October 9, 2013 at 1:48 PM

It’s amusing that the GOP leadership was telling us for months that we shouldn’t mess with government funding – the strong position would be to battle it out over the debt ceiling. Looking at how they’re handling the debt ceiling, is there any question that they would have folded even faster on the debit ceiling than they wanted to on the CR?

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 1:50 PM

They better check with Harry…he’s running this show.

d1carter on October 9, 2013 at 1:51 PM

They have both “ObamaCare” and the “Debt Limt” boogie men up in super size now. They hope all of U.S. are hiding under our beds afraid to look.

This is when they form a super committee, get behind the lies of the msm and cut a deal that is what both parts of the two party evil money cult want and need and we tax payer ID’s numbers get the bill.

Amnesty is the thing they both lust for: BEWARE OF SANKES UNDER FOOT WITH LUST BEYOUND CONTROL.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 9, 2013 at 1:52 PM

NO! AND HELL NO!
STAND YOUR GROUND BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE BEHIND YOU 100%

Delsa on October 9, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Why must we choose between getting concessions on the CR or the debt limit when we could extract concessions on both?

youngTXcon on October 9, 2013 at 1:44 PM

It’s a minor miracle that the GOP hasn’t already folded on both. But, they’re furiously telegraphing that they’d like to fold ASAP – as long as the Democrats will give a meaningless out that they can try to spin to save face.

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 1:52 PM

If the strategy here is to defund ObamaCare by keeping the government closed, why does the GOP keep offering to pass smaller bills that would get major departments and agenices back up and running?

Because that’s not the plan. And it never has been. Despite what the GOP leadership said about the plan (i.e., repeating the Democrats’ talking points) back when they were trying to spike it.

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 1:54 PM

NO! AND HELL NO!
STAND YOUR GROUND BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE BEHIND YOU 100%

Delsa on October 9, 2013 at 1:52 PM

THIS, but I don’t think it’s quite 100%. :-)

PappyD61 on October 9, 2013 at 1:55 PM

So… Bambi is pi$$ed because we don’t want to fund his program to effectively seize 1/6th of our economy?

I guess life just s*cks, doesn’t it?

Turtle317 on October 9, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Was at a Heritage Foundation lunch yesterday. Jim DeMint predicted Boehner forming a super committee. That would signal the end.

Mr. DeMint has an impressive story. He explained a few things about his time in the house and then the senate. It is as dysfunctional as it appears.

DanMan on October 9, 2013 at 1:57 PM

To them, anything short of unconditional surrender on the part of Republicans is a defeat for Obama.

They’ve become quite the little ‘intransigents.’

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Looks like the Republicans have surrendered unconditionally , the SpiteHouse is just deciding on how much of it to reveal to the American people,
before adding 40-50 million illegals to their vote bank.

burrata on October 9, 2013 at 1:57 PM

So, GOP leadership is going against the most recent public opinion polls out this morning. Why am I not surprised?

Mr. Arrogant on October 9, 2013 at 1:58 PM

It’s a minor miracle that the GOP hasn’t already folded on both. But, they’re furiously telegraphing that they’d like to fold ASAP – as long as the Democrats will give a meaningless out that they can try to spin to save face.

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 1:52 PM

I’m expecting the symbolic victory to be a reduction in the medical devices tax or some other tiny issue that Boehner can declare victory on. At this point the fight is mostly over what the permitted fig leaf will be.

Doomberg on October 9, 2013 at 1:58 PM

They are running a “con” we are the “marks”.

Take a “Tea Break” .

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 9, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Here’s the link. Drudge has it wrong.

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Punting the debt limit debate w/ minimal or no conditions to mid January makes great sense.

The main goal at the moment should be:
a) Kill the concept of funding the government via CR’s, funding going forward has to be via the traditional budget process….this is a huge win for republicans if it happens as the CR process tends to result in waste, higher overall spending, and keeps the house from properly setting budget priorities.
b) Delay all aspects of Obamacare until republicans and democrats can agree on a new law that completely replaces it…we’re not going to be able to kill it, but perhaps we can change the narrative of Republicans as obstructionists by getting some heavily slimmed down reasonable not-government-takeover type health care reform to replace it..that’s a heavy hill to climb, maybe impossible, but it’s the only way the republicans can come out of this battle while meeting the conflicting desires of its base and the general population.

As for tactics, the only departments we shouldn’t fund are the IRS and health and human services. The rest of the departments can open as soon as the democrats return to the normal budget process and the senate and house agree on spending levels for each.

deploylinux on October 9, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Why is everyone getting upset about this? This is at least the fourth time a rumor has been floated about a short term deal since last Wednesday night. It is just a rumor, just like all of the others ones were.

Johnnyreb on October 9, 2013 at 2:04 PM

It’s amusing that the GOP leadership was telling us for months that we shouldn’t mess with government funding – the strong position would be to battle it out over the debt ceiling. Looking at how they’re handling the debt ceiling, is there any question that they would have folded even faster on the debit ceiling than they wanted to on the CR?

besser tot als rot on October 9, 2013 at 1:50 PM

The Cruz “Filibuster” went sideways on them, too. They were snickering and thought everyone would be — but not so much. I wonder how much of the weird . . . “obstinance” is fueled by playing catch-up to that. (I’m assuming they don’t really want to be here. I’m wondering why they are so dug in. They aren’t interested in fiddling with Obamacare at all, since they can’t — I’m having a hard time believing they would screw around like this over a few rule changes here and there, a “grand bargain,” i.e., a fruit-basket filled with airports, pork, and somebody’s earwig research subsidy.)

Axe on October 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Here’s the link. Drudge has it wrong.

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 2:01 PM

bam! :) See?

Axe on October 9, 2013 at 2:06 PM

NO!

annoyinglittletwerp on October 9, 2013 at 2:07 PM

NO!

annoyinglittletwerp on October 9, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Remember this, Obama and the White House told us that there was NO contact between the WH and the IRS. NONE. ZIP. ZILCH. NADA.

bam! :) See?

Axe on October 9, 2013 at 2:06 PM

:-)

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Finally…strategic sanity.

Yes…”cave” on the debt ceiling. Take that off the table, keep the shutdown going. GOP then has cover for looking reasonable while turning the focus on O for his “you will fund all of govt., or none of it” approach.

The “cave” will only be for a few months and so you can re-assess then as to how well the shutdown strategy worked. Fighting a war on two fronts as the market collapses will get the GOP zip…and another wholesale cave on both the ceiling and the shutdown.

newtopia on October 9, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Stop worrying about O’Care, it is its own disaster and hang it around the necks of those who passed it and support it still. That is how the Rs will win the elections necessary to change it (it will now never be repealed, just changed.)

A.S.R. on October 9, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Washington, DC, Mayor Vince Gray Crashes Harry Reid’s Press Conference – Demands DC’s Money

Vince Gray and Eleanor Holmes Norton held a press conference in front of the Capitol today to urge the Senate to pass a bill to fund the District during the government shutdown. When his own press conference ended, though, Gray had an idea—why not make it two?

So the mayor and Norton, followed by their entourages and reporters, crashed a nearby press conference held by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and other Democrats. Gray took a spot next to Reid; Shadow Sen. Paul Strauss, also at the earlier press conference, stood next to his would-be Senate colleagues.

As Gray made his case to Reid, Reid responded, “Don’t screw this up,” according to the Post. Reid declined to say what he meant.

LL has a guess, though. At his own press conference before he crashed Reid’s, Gray had stood next to Republican Rep. Darrell Issa as he criticized the Democratic-led Senate for holding up the District spending bill, which has already passed the House.

“Every worker and every citizen of the District of Columbia needs to be counted as essential,” Issa said.

Teaming up with Issa and crashing the press conference was a bold move for Gray, but it’s one he only picked because he looks to have opted not to do something even more brazen: keeping the D.C. government open without federal approval, an idea he considered at one point. Gray had declared the entire District workforce essential in his shutdown plan, but the White House Office of Management and Budget hasn’t approved it. Which means that when the city spends the last dollars in its $144 million reserve fund (money that was appropriated to D.C. in previous years, then banked), it won’t have any legal authority to keep operating. Without federal approval, District Chief Financial Officer Natwar Gandhi is expected to refused to release back the funds to keep the city running.

That hasn’t kept advocates of that approach, including lobbying group DC Vote and Councilmember David Grosso, from criticizing Gray. In a press release today, Grosso said he wouldn’t attend the press conference because of the mayor’s “capitulation” to Congress.

“I know he’s new to the Council, but he should read the Home Rule Charter,” responds mayoral spokesman Pedro Ribeiro.

Gray says he hasn’t heard back from President Barack Obama or Reid on his request to meet with them about the shutdown.

If D.C. does eventually have to close nonessential services, trash would only be collected every other week, libraries and recreation centers would close, the Department of Motor Vehicles would shutter, and parking enforcement would cease. As the only municipality in the country that also fills many state functions, D.C. has already stopped paying debts to Medicaid providers and others, because its entire budget is essentially being held hostage by the shutdown.

OK, I’ll be back. I have to go pop the corn.

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Wait a sec — I thought Boehner and especially Paul Ryan wanted to merge shutdown negotiations with debt-ceiling negotiations in order to maximize the GOP’s leverage over Obama.

Nope. They want to merge the two in order to pull the rug out from under the Cruz/Lee plan so they can move on to amnesty for illegal aliens.

FloatingRock on October 9, 2013 at 2:34 PM

a major deal on entitlement reform and new revenue

Democrats seem to always assume that tax hikes will produce “new revenue”.

But note well that from FY 2003 to FY 2007, President George W. Bush and the Republican majorities in the House and Senate (the FY 2007 budget was passed in calendar year 2006) RAISED REVENUES 44% by LOWERING TAXES in 2003.

FY 2003 to 2007 showed us the Laffer Curve in action. Lower taxes led to significantly HIGHER (not lower) revenues.

If Republicans allow Democrats to raise taxes as part of some “grand bargain”, the result will not be “new revenue”, it will be “lower revenue” and HIGHER DEFICITS!

ITguy on October 9, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Here is what Reid said to Gray:

“I’m on your side, don’t screw it up, okay? Don’t screw it up,”

Here is the part WaPo decided to highlight:

Reid to Gray: ‘I’m on your side’

Un-freaking-believable

mankai on October 9, 2013 at 2:37 PM

No, borrowing is not the end of the world. It’s the beginning of recovery for America. It’s the beginning of fiscal responsibility and discipline. It’s the beginning of a return to constitutionally limited government. And we can do it overnight — with one simple NO vote by House Republicans.

nazo311 on October 9, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Obama keeps talking about default…let’s take that off the table with a short term extension. Get the focus back on Obamacare so that the GOP is CLEARLY the party against it and the Dems are CLEARLY for all the crap that comes with it.

FreeManOtis on October 9, 2013 at 2:41 PM

If they agree to some “short-term” debt-ceiling hike, I predict it will be of the “short-term suspension of the debt ceiling” variety.

Why?

Because if they try to do one of the “X Billion Dollar increase to the debt limit” variety, people will be shocked that we have to raise the limit by over half a Trillion dollars just to pay back and “make whole” the borrowing that has been going on for nearly five months (since mid-May) under the shell game of “Extraordinary Measures”.

It would not go over well to say that we have to raise the debt ceiling by $700 Billion (the size of TARP) just to repay the roughly $550 Billion in “Extraordinary Measures” borrowing that we already owe and have a mere $150 Billion (about 4 to 6 weeks’ worth) of room left over before we hit the limit all over again.

Got that? We need $700 Billion in new debt just to get current and cover the next 4-6 weeks.

It used to be that $450 Billion in debt limit increase lasted us almost FIVE YEARS.

Take a look at:

Table 7.3—Statutory Limits on Federal Debt: 1940–Current

On August 5, 1997 the Republican House, Republican Senate, and President Clinton raised the debt ceiling by less than half a trillion ($450 Billion) and with Republican majorities in control of the budgeting and appropriatoins process, that $450 Billion increase lasted nearly five years.

It used to be that Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi called raising the debt limit “irresponsible”. All of them now say that NOT raising the debt limit would be “irresponsible”.

ITguy on October 9, 2013 at 2:47 PM

mankai on October 9, 2013 at 2:37 PM

They can’t trumpet the fact that a Democrat crashed a Democrat-held press conference with a Republican – Darrell Issa – to demand a restoration of funding.

Piecemeal might become a real option.

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Please do NOT snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

jukin3 on October 9, 2013 at 3:33 PM

WHITE HOUSE, IRS EXCHANGED CONFIDENTIAL TAXPAYER INFO

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 2:00 PM

WHITE HOUSE, IRS EXCHANGED CONFIDENTIAL TAXPAYER INFO

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 2:02 PM

WHITE HOUSE, IRS EXCHANGED CONFIDENTIAL TAXPAYER INFO

Remember this, Obama and the White House told us that there was NO contact between the WH and the IRS. NONE. ZIP. ZILCH. NADA.

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 2:13 PM

WHITE HOUSE, IRS EXCHANGED CONFIDENTIAL TAXPAYER INFO

Remember this, Obama and the White House told us that there was NO contact between the WH and the IRS. NONE. ZIP. ZILCH. NADA.

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Craves Attention We Much

rukiddingme on October 9, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Craves Attention We Much

rukiddingme on October 9, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Not attention for me. Like others here, davidk and canophor, to name two, I post news links, as they become available.

Most people like them, which is why I do it.

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Not attention for me. Like others here, davidk and canophor, to name two, I post news links, as they become available.

Most people like them, which is why I do it.

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 5:03 PM

frukiddingme on October 9, 2013 at 4:22 PM

…your’re just being a dipshit ….right?

KOOLAID2 on October 9, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Craves Attention We Much

rukiddingme on October 9, 2013 at 4:22 PM

imobfuscating

mankai on October 9, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Not attention for me. Like others here, davidk and canophor, to name two, I post news links, as they become available.

Most people like them, which is why I do it.

Resist We Much on October 9, 2013 at 5:03 PM

1. Off topic links in multiple threads has brought forth the ban hammer to more than one poster.

2. canopfor was placed on probation for doing just that.

3. I’m not most people. Those that are will visit your blog.

rukiddingme on October 9, 2013 at 9:35 PM

your’re just being a dipshit ….right?

KOOLAID2 on October 9, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Wrong. You may keep the monopoly on just that.

rukiddingme on October 9, 2013 at 9:43 PM

imobfuscating

mankai on October 9, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Ofcourseur.

rukiddingme on October 9, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Finally…strategic sanity.

Yes…”cave” on the debt ceiling. Take that off the table, keep the shutdown going. GOP then has cover for looking reasonable while turning the focus on O for his “you will fund all of govt., or none of it” approach.

The “cave” will only be for a few months and so you can re-assess then as to how well the shutdown strategy worked. Fighting a war on two fronts as the market collapses will get the GOP zip…and another wholesale cave on both the ceiling and the shutdown.

newtopia on October 9, 2013 at 2:11 PM

I agree, I like this strategy and the end goal of forcing Obama to choose which government employee donor and voting base to fund with taxpayer money. The EPA and NLRB can stay closed, and it would be nice if they took on the department of education.

A lot of people are upset here and see it as capitulation, but the end goal is still to defund Obamacare and could reassert the House’s authority over spending in this country. I see this as a calculated power play.

Daemonocracy on October 10, 2013 at 12:12 AM