Week 2: Media still can’t navigate ObamaCare exchanges

posted at 12:01 pm on October 8, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

A week ago, MSNBC tried to get on line to demonstrate the effectiveness of ObamaCare exchanges, and ended up wasting 45 minutes or so going nowhere.  As week 2 begins, after a humiliating weekend of having to pull down the federal system for fixes, the system still doesn’t work, as a reporter at a Georgia NBC affiliate discovers.  And when she calls for assistance, she finds that the HHS call center can’t tell her when it will, after trying three times to get through (via Daniel Halper):

The reporter concludes that the phones beat the website, but that’s damning with variable damnation:

Phone is best. At least for now. That’s according to the phone operator I reached after four tries and a full work day. The three times before, I sat on hold for an interminable amount of time before an automated survey came on asking me to rate the customer service — except I had yet to speak to anyone. And at the end of the survey, the line disconnected.

Still, it was further than I got online. Things began promisingly enough, and I created my Marketplace account. But every time I tried to log in, I would get a message that said the system wasn’t available or my username or password was wrong. I certainly can type incorrectly, but not every time for more than a hundred times.

And she was getting paid to do this.  In the end, when she finally reached a customer-service representative, he admitted that the system was still malfunctioning — and he had no idea when the problem would be resolved.

The irony of this automated question cannot be overstated:

“How would you rate your customer-service experience?”

Voters will deliver that answer in 2014, almost certainly.  That’s what the White House fears, and they’re still promising to fix it:

The Obama administration said on Monday it was fixingsoftware and capacity problems at the main website designed to enroll millions of Americans into new health plans.

The HealthCare.gov website has been beset by glitches since October 1, the first day people were allowed to enroll in the new coverage provided by the Affordable Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare.

The website, which serves insurance exchanges in 36 states, received 8.6 million unique visitors last week, according to the federal government.

“Our top issue when it comes to the glitches has been the extraordinary number of people coming to check out plans and find out more about Obamacare. The number has obviously exceeded expectations,” White House spokesman Jay Carney said at a news briefing.

“To make further improvements, we are doing several things at once, including adding server capacity and making software changes to make the system more efficient to handle higher volume.”

Isn’t that what they said they were doing over the weekend?  Guess it’s not the servers after all.


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Bmore on October 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Is 10 minutes a record?

Bmore on October 8, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Kathleen Sebelius said to Jon Stewart:

We are bringing Western civilization to its knees by selling private insurance plans on a web site where people pick and choose.

Gee, what does that remind me of?

But my journey is part of a larger journey- one shared by all who’ve ever sought to apply the values of their faith to our society. It’s a journey that takes us back to our nation’s founding, when none other than a UCC church inspired the Boston Tea Party and helped bring an Empire to its knees.

- Barack Hussein Obama June 23, 2007

Barack Obama and Kathleen Sebelius are “fellow travellers”, sharing the journey of bringing the “Empire” of Western civilization “to its knees”.

ITguy on October 8, 2013 at 12:13 PM

So we have the spectacle of pretty talking heads on TV who can’t even make Skype work on their iPads trying to navigate a system that’s stacked against them from the start – when it works.

Pass the popcorn!

Marcola on October 8, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Journalists not able to navigate O-Care?

Wow! That’s as close as the LSM has gotten to finding their collective a** with both hands with a problem this admin has caused.

questionmark on October 8, 2013 at 12:14 PM

The weak always end up eating their own.

Stay classy Washington.

patman77 on October 8, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Apparently commenters are having trouble navigating this thread.

Bmore on October 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM

^Made me laugh.

The website, which serves insurance exchanges in 36 states, received 8.6 million unique visitors last week, according to the federal government.

I predict a new line of attack from the Dems…If those pesky red states would have just built their own insurance exchanges, then they would never have had to rely on the Federal Exchange. It is the fault of GOP governors because they chose not to open their own exchanges. People are unable to get health insurance on the Federal Exchange because Republican Governors did not create their own exchanges that actually work.
I would /s, but I actually do believe this line of attack is coming…

weaselyone on October 8, 2013 at 12:15 PM

These are merely administrative delays in Obamacare. Will delivery of healthcare services also experience delays?– Perhaps a seven day delay in emergency surgery will be acceptable?

socalcon on October 8, 2013 at 12:15 PM

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Nethicus on October 8, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Apparently commenters are having trouble navigating this thread.

Bmore on October 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM

You should surely know by now that a thread never officially commences until Bishop shows his pretty face. ;-)

TXUS on October 8, 2013 at 12:16 PM

You should surely know by now that a thread never officially commences until Bishop shows his pretty face. ;-)

TXUS on October 8, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Bishop has a pretty face?!?

questionmark on October 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM

The website, which serves insurance exchanges in 36 states, received 8.6 million unique visitors last week, according to the federal government.

That’s it? 8.6M in a week? A YouTube video of a black lab nursing kittens gets more traffic.

Happy Nomad on October 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Meh. The systematic problems on display here, pretty much guarentee that this is not going to work until January at the earliest.

The system needs to be junked and rewritten from scratch. And they don’t have time for it. What’s Obama going to do come January when nothing has worked? Because you know one part HAS worked: the sending of the data to the IRS.

That said: 8 Million hits is enough to destroy the government website for weeks? Really?

They learned nothing from the slashdot effect?

Vanceone on October 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM

OPERATOR SAYS THAT PHONE ACCESS IS EASIER THAN ONLINE

Today’s technological innovation brought to you by Obamacare®

weaselyone on October 8, 2013 at 12:20 PM

“How would you rate your customer-service experience?”

Careful there folks, if you give them a bad rating you are identified as a subversive and your name goes to the IRS and the NSA for investigation.

slickwillie2001 on October 8, 2013 at 12:20 PM

I predict a new line of attack from the Dems…If those pesky red states would have just built their own insurance exchanges, then they would never have had to rely on the Federal Exchange. It is the fault of GOP governors because they chose not to open their own exchanges. People are unable to get health insurance on the Federal Exchange because Republican Governors did not create their own exchanges that actually work.
I would /s, but I actually do believe this line of attack is coming…

weaselyone on October 8, 2013 at 12:15 PM

That would work only if the rest of the exchange sites worked, but if I recall the states sites weren’t fairing any better on the first day.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 8, 2013 at 12:20 PM

OPERATOR SAYS THAT PHONE ACCESS IS EASIER THAN ONLINE

Maybe, that’s a ‘feature’ of Error404Care. It’s a ‘job creator.’

Why would this administration want technology to work in its exchanges when Obama has a thing about ‘ATMs and airport kiosks’?

Resist We Much on October 8, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Oh how I wish the GOP went for the let it burn strategy. Go through the court system to force the ObamaCare law to be enforced in total (also protects congress from implied line-item vetos) and offer full repeal. It’s either (A) or (B).

WashJeff on October 8, 2013 at 12:26 PM

But the Dems all say this sytem is designed to be easy enough for the average idiot libtard Dem voter to navigate….
Soooo, what does that say about these LSM weenies?

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Careful there folks, if you give them a bad rating you are identified as a subversive and your name goes to the IRS and the NSA for investigation.

slickwillie2001 on October 8, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Straight to the death panel….

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 12:27 PM

For years advocates of amnesty and high levels of immigration have described the illegal alien population as one made up of “otherwise law-abiding” people who have committed no violation other than the simple act of crossing a border illegally or overstaying a visa. Journalists routinely invoke this language when writing about amnesty, conspicuously avoiding any discussion of the various crimes the average working illegal alien commits. Many politicians have also embraced the myth of the otherwise law-abiding illegal alien in an effort to promote amnesty, arguing that illegal aliens are no threat to the United States.

But the average illegal alien violates numerous statutes, often creating real victims.

http://cis.org/myth-law-abiding-illegal-alien

davidk on October 8, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Face it, we’re in the middle of a PROGRESSIVE JIHAD on America.

Forget the Muslim jihad, this one has us by the stones.

PappyD61 on October 8, 2013 at 12:28 PM

That would work only if the rest of the exchange sites worked, but if I recall the states sites weren’t fairing any better on the first day.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 8, 2013 at 12:20 PM

As a Federalist, I put more faith in solutions coming from the individual states who are doing their own exchanges than I do in the Federal Government coming up with a one-size-fits-all solution for all the other states. The states who refused to set-up their own exchanges are seeing exactly what they had predicted. Sometimes it is far more difficult for elected officials to give people what they voted for instead of trying to fix it on behalf of the Federal Government. I applaud those governors who refused to set up the exchanges, it shows people just how unreliable the Federal Government really is.

On a side note, how is the Federal Government even guaranteeing that the insurance plans offered through their exchange meet individual states’ requirements for health insurance? What can a state do to the federal government if they are facilitating plans that don’t meet individual state requirements?

weaselyone on October 8, 2013 at 12:28 PM

They learned nothing. from the slashdot effect?

Vanceone on October 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM

FIFY.

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Major Charlie Foxtrot

UltimateBob on October 8, 2013 at 12:29 PM

“Bumps in the road” are now today’s glitches.

Good morning, welcome to Obamacare online. Fix some popcorn, pull up a chair, and prepare for a long pleasant day.

Rovin on October 8, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Bishop has a pretty face?!?

questionmark on October 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Yes, but that’s about it. His girlish figure, among other things, has gone to hell in a handbasket.

TXUS on October 8, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Next week they’ll have the whole thing shut down and will encourage people to call in. They’ll be stuck answering phones and filling out paper forms.

Jay Carney will say, with a straight face, that phone calls and paper forms were chosen to give the Affordable Care Act a more friendly human face and Seibelius will extol the virtues of paper records which are free from software glitches and backup failures.

The MSM will report all of this with favorable nods and proudly note that the forms are written on recycled paper and with pens containing odor-free ink.

PackerBronco on October 8, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Bishop has a pretty face?!?

questionmark on October 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM

..looking at the right end, are we?

The War Planner on October 8, 2013 at 12:30 PM

“How would you rate your customer-service experience?”

“Ray, when the government asks you to rate their customer service, you say ‘Great!!!’ “

PackerBronco on October 8, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Bishop has a pretty face?!?

questionmark on October 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM

..looking at the right end, are we?

The War Planner on October 8, 2013 at 12:30 PM

We shave him and make him walk backwards.

davidk on October 8, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Can you say “Train Wreck” boys and girls?

GarandFan on October 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM

OT/ but obama evidently called up Boehner today and said he will not negotiate and he will hold a “news?” conference today at 2:00 to tell us how Boehner won’t cooperate…

sandee on October 8, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md., says new GOP supercommittee proposal doesn’t deal with taxes, not a balanced recommendation – @ChadPergram

34 secs ago from twitter.com/ChadPergram by editor
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http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 12:36 PM

o/t

Week 2: SPITEdown

WTF? Tourists Trying To View Yellowstone’s Attractions Detained At Hotel By Armed Rangers…

Pat Vaillancourt went on a trip last week that was intended to showcase some of America’s greatest treasures.

Instead, the Salisbury resident said she and others on her tour bus witnessed an ugly spectacle that made her embarrassed, angry and heartbroken for her country.

Vaillancourt was one of thousands of people who found themselves in a national park as the federal government shutdown went into effect on Oct. 1. For many hours her tour group, which included senior citizen visitors from Japan, Australia, Canada and the United States, were locked in a Yellowstone National Park hotel under armed guard.

The tourists were treated harshly by armed park employees, she said, so much so that some of the foreign tourists with limited English skills thought they were under arrest.

When finally allowed to leave, the bus was not allowed to halt at all along the 2.5-hour trip out of the park, not even to stop at private bathrooms that were open along the route.

“We’ve become a country of fear, guns and control,” said Vaillancourt, who grew up in Lawrence. “It was like they brought out the armed forces. Nobody was saying, ‘we’re sorry,’ it was all like — ” as she clenched her fist and banged it against her forearm.

Vaillancourt took part in a nine-day tour of western parks and sites along with about four dozen senior citizen tourists. One of the highlights of the tour was to be Yellowstone, where they arrived just as the shutdown went into effect.

Rangers systematically sent visitors out of the park, though some groups that had hotel reservations — such as Vaillancourt’s — were allowed to stay for two days. Those two days started out on a sour note, she said.

The bus stopped along a road when a large herd of bison passed nearby, and seniors filed out to take photos. Almost immediately, an armed ranger came by and ordered them to get back in, saying they couldn’t “recreate.” The tour guide, who had paid a $300 fee the day before to bring the group into the park, argued that the seniors weren’t “recreating,” just taking photos.

“She responded and said, ‘Sir, you are recreating,’ and her tone became very aggressive,” Vaillancourt said.

The seniors quickly filed back onboard and the bus went to the Old Faithful Inn, the park’s premier lodge located adjacent to the park’s most famous site, Old Faithful geyser. That was as close as they could get to the famous site — barricades were erected around Old Faithful, and the seniors were locked inside the hotel, where armed rangers stayed at the door.

‘Just following orders.’

Resist We Much on October 8, 2013 at 12:38 PM

OT/ but obama evidently called up Boehner today and said he will not negotiate and he will hold a “news?” conference today at 2:00 to tell us how Boehner won’t cooperate…

sandee on October 8, 2013 at 12:34 PM

sandee:)
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US government shutdown impact 2013

White House: President Obama to deliver a statement at 2 pm ET today ‘and answer questions in the Brady Press Briefing Room’ – @lesleyclark

45 mins ago from twitter.com/lesleyclark by editor
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US debt ceiling debate 2013
US government shutdown impact 2013

White House: Obama only willing to negotiate with Republicans after government is re-opened, threat of default removed – @Reuters

53 mins ago by editor
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canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM

The number [8.6 million] has obviously exceeded expectations,

But, I thought 30 million people would need this right away.

faraway on October 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Vanceone on October 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Yeah, instead of giving a website development contract to a company that knows something about handling millions of transactions a day, like an Amazon, Obama cronies probably got the contract and then, of course, HHS had to hire thousands of bureaucrats to get in on the action.

The good news is that the LIVs are finally getting to know how screwed up their beloved Obama government is, and from what I’ve read, there’s no freakin’ way they’ll get the “glitiches/trainwreck” fixed by January. Soon, Captain Kickass is going to come begging the Rs to delay Obamacare for a year, and they, the R’s, should tell him to ESAD.

TXUS on October 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Democratic National Committee says it is launching paid media campaign that targets Republican congressional leaders, blames them for shutdown – @*NN

1 min ago from politicalticker.blogs.*nn.com by editor
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http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 12:40 PM

OT/ but obama evidently called up Boehner today and said he will not negotiate and he will hold a “news?” conference today at 2:00 to tell us how Boehner won’t cooperate…

sandee on October 8, 2013 at 12:34 PM

I love how Barky invited Congressional leaders to the White House last week to tell them he won’t be negotiating with them …

Classic leading from behind.

Had we even the semblance of an objective press, this little tin god would have already self-exiled to Cuba.

ShainS on October 8, 2013 at 12:40 PM

My hope is that this debacle will enlighten enough people to the fallacy of socialized medicine being able to bring costs down. At best, it’s a layer of beauracracy, and at worst, a layer of incompetency.

Whether we can reverse the ACA is still to be decided. But I pray that the madness ends here, and that any more talk of single-payer socialized insurance gets squelched. At least for another century.

connertown on October 8, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Resist We Much on October 8, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Is obama drawing a red line of some kind?

davidk on October 8, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Operators standing by in Bangalore?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on October 8, 2013 at 12:42 PM

I have purchased an Obamacare plan. but it is the massachusetts exchange and not federal

gerrym51 on October 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Feds: US adults are dumber than the average human

How do they think Obama got elected?

Resist We Much on October 8, 2013 at 12:44 PM

OT/ but obama evidently called up Boehner today and said he will not negotiate and he will hold a “news?” conference today at 2:00 to tell us how Boehner won’t cooperate…

sandee on October 8, 2013 at 12:34 PM

It’s really sad when somebody doesn’t recognize they are past their prime. At one point, Obama needed only to express displeasure and an army of minions would attack on his behalf. Those days are gone.

And BTW, cooperate in the liberal lexicon means do whatever the hell I tell you.

Happy Nomad on October 8, 2013 at 12:45 PM

‘Just following orders.’

Resist We Much on October 8, 2013 at 12:38 PM

A particular quote from Sling Blade comes to mind….

Also the movie V for Vengeance – these are the types of mindless, power mad government thugs, “just following orders” who will be the start of a shooting war.

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 12:45 PM

I would /s, but I actually do believe this line of attack is coming…

weaselyone on October 8, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Coming? I heard it multiple times last week. It aint coming. It’s here.

PetecminMd on October 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Why would you take down the site for corrections and not test it before putting it back up? Have they learned nothing about the problems? Did they just assume it would now work?

mankai on October 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM

I predict a new line of attack from the Dems…If those pesky red states would have just built their own insurance exchanges, then they would never have had to rely on the Federal Exchange. It is the fault of GOP governors because they chose not to open their own exchanges. People are unable to get health insurance on the Federal Exchange because Republican Governors did not create their own exchanges that actually work.
I would /s, but I actually do believe this line of attack is coming…

weaselyone on October 8, 2013 at 12:15 PM

My reesponse… “It’s the law, get over it.”

mankai on October 8, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Why would you take down the site for corrections and not test it before putting it back up? Have they learned nothing about the problems? Did they just assume it would now work?

mankai on October 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM

1) They never learn anything from the real world.
2) They always assume everything they do is perfect.

And you know what assume really means?

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 12:50 PM

‘Just following orders.’

Resist We Much on October 8, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Which is why any funding for the NPS needs to be contingent on the firing of senior NPS officials and criminal investigation of them all due to allegations of systemic civil rights abuse.

I’m serious about this. At the very least they’ve been bad stewards. They’ve turned the image of a park ranger from happy and helpful to one of an armed street thug in a silly hat.

Happy Nomad on October 8, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Operators standing by in Bangalore?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on October 8, 2013 at 12:42 PM

And I’ll bet they didn’t pay the extra upcharge for operators who actually speak English….

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Why would you take down the site for corrections and not test it before putting it back up? Have they learned nothing about the problems? Did they just assume it would now work?

mankai on October 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM

The problem is, that to properly test it would likely take weeks if not months …

If they were smart, they would have heeded ol’ Rahm’s advice (about never letting a good crisis go to waste) and shut it all down on Oct. 1, blaming the evil R’s for said shutdown.

ShainS on October 8, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Which is why any funding for the NPS needs to be contingent on the firing of senior NPS officials and criminal investigation of them all due to allegations of systemic civil rights abuse.

I’m serious about this. At the very least they’ve been bad stewards. They’ve turned the image of a park ranger from happy and helpful to one of an armed street thug in a silly hat.

Happy Nomad on October 8, 2013 at 12:50 PM

I’m all for that.
I want to see criminal charges for any ranger who “brandished a weapon” when dealing with innocent tourists in a public setting.

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 12:53 PM

I sat on hold for an interminable amount of time before an automated survey came on asking me to rate the customer service — except I had yet to speak to anyone.

I worked in call centers for over 15 years. The most likely explanation for her being forwarded to a survey was that her call was connected to a representative who immediately disconnected the call. She was hung up on. Someone at that call center is dumping calls instead of doing their job.

semperjase on October 8, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Soon, Captain Kickass is going to come begging the Rs to delay Obamacare for a year, and they, the R’s, should tell him to ESAD.

TXUS on October 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Or simply tell him that they’ve upped the ante to “repeal.” (“I’ve altered the deal… etc.”)

de rigueur on October 8, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Operators standing by in Bangalore?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on October 8, 2013 at 12:42 PM

The call service was taken offline as part of the government shutdown but may re-open for native Hindi speakers.

Annar on October 8, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Someone at that call center is dumping calls instead of doing their job.

semperjase on October 8, 2013 at 12:54 PM

What?? A gubmint peon (likely union) bureaucrat not doing their job properly?
Say it aint so…..

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 12:55 PM

The operator said it works better by phone than online.

Is that only if you’re using an Obamaphone?

krome on October 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Alert: DMV has taken over the ObamaCare exchanges

faraway on October 8, 2013 at 12:59 PM

As I mentioned in the thread about the shutdown somehow being a distraction from the Obamacare rollout fail, it’s going for them to take MONTHS to fix this system up.

And even then it’s still going to be flawed, because the hardware behind this (the twisted, winding paths of Obamacare – ever changing for political expediency) is itself contradictory and inexplicable.

GIGO principle at work – Garbage In, Garbage Out.

BKennedy on October 8, 2013 at 12:59 PM

US Shutdown: Obama Hits The Campaign Trail, Yet Again. He’d Probably Do That If Aliens Invaded.

Resist We Much on October 8, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Space aliens, right? Because the other kind not only has already invaded and taken over whole cities but they somehow have permission to use the “closed” national mall to celebrate illegal aliens literally within sight of the location where armed thugs in silly hats abuse WWII vets trying to honor their fallen comrades.

Happy Nomad on October 8, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Happy Nomad on October 8, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Exactly.

Resist We Much on October 8, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Happy Nomad on October 8, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Yes, space aliens.

Resist We Much on October 8, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Yes, space aliens.

Resist We Much on October 8, 2013 at 1:02 PM

I think we’d be better off if (space) aliens invaded and took over.

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 1:06 PM

(space) aliens invaded and took over.

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Wait… aren’t they green?

faraway on October 8, 2013 at 1:13 PM

I think we’d be better off if (space) aliens invaded and took over.

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 1:06 PM

They’d take one look at the mess created by Obamacare, say no thanks, and leave.

Happy Nomad on October 8, 2013 at 1:14 PM

‘Just following orders.’

Resist We Much on October 8, 2013 at 12:38 PM

So much for the idea that army and police would never fire on civilians if ordered to do so. Say, didn’t we hang a bunch of people at Nuremburg who’s only excuse was “I was just following a lawful order”?

I’d say stock up on ammo, but all my guns were lost in a tragic boating accident.

tngmv on October 8, 2013 at 1:16 PM

They’d take one look at the mess created by Obamacare, say no thanks, and leave.

Happy Nomad on October 8, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Maybe they’d view as “urban blight” and help us raze it all and start over….

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Wait… aren’t they green?

faraway on October 8, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Supposedly – so, hey another big advantage – they probably have “green energy” as well – as Will Smith found when started shooting “that green sh1ite” at him….

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 1:46 PM

White House: Obama only willing to negotiate with Republicans after government is re-opened, threat of default removed – @Reuters

53 mins ago by editor
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Couple of thoughts.

First, would he negotiate if there weren’t a threat hanging over him?

Second, if he did decide to ‘negotiate’ after the threat were lifted, the only thing the creep would do is ask for more revenue.

trigon on October 8, 2013 at 1:47 PM

What big volume? Average do not work on this BUT if they did the volume is only about 38,000 hits per state per day. That’s nothing. Did I miss something here or is our Government playing misdirect run and hide ant out right lie?

jpcpt03 on October 8, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Great quote from the story on Townhall about the 0barky voters who just got their premium increase notices:

“Of course, I want people to have health care,” Vinson said. “I just didn’t realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally.”

THE stereotype Dem voter.

“Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.”

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 2:13 PM

First, would he negotiate if there weren’t a threat hanging over him?
Second, if he did decide to ‘negotiate’ after the threat were lifted, the only thing the creep would do is ask for more revenue.

trigon on October 8, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Yup.
Hypothetical situation: You catch an armed burglar breaking into your house, you point your gun at him and tell him to freeze. The burglar then says “hey, how about you put down your gun and then we can negotiate how to resolve this situation.”
Do you:
a) Lower your gun and agree to negotiate.
b) Tell him to drop his gun, put his hands up and wait for the cops to show up.
c) Pull the trigger.

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Do you:
a) Lower your gun and agree to negotiate.
b) Tell him to drop his gun, put his hands up and wait for the cops to show up.
c) Pull the trigger.

dentarthurdent

What Plugs said . . .

williampeck1958 on October 8, 2013 at 2:56 PM

A poorly architected system will not be fixed quickly if ever.

JimK on October 8, 2013 at 3:29 PM

What Plugs said . . .

williampeck1958 on October 8, 2013 at 2:56 PM

4th option?
Step out on the porch fire a couple shotgun blasts into the air?

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 3:50 PM

JimK on October 8, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Especially when they have some unadvertised features built in…

affenhauer on October 8, 2013 at 4:00 PM

But the average illegal alien violates numerous statutes, often creating real victims.

http://cis.org/myth-law-abiding-illegal-alien

davidk on October 8, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Thanks for the link; great information.

PS Under this administration, everything is interconnected, so that no topic is O/T to any other topic any more.

AesopFan on October 8, 2013 at 4:44 PM

‘Just following orders.’

Resist We Much on October 8, 2013 at 12:38 PM

I followed the links and read the original article.

October 8, 2013
‘Gestapo’ tactics meet senior citizens at Yellowstone

By John Macone Staff writer

Godwin’s Law is now repealed.

(I don’t think the Dems have really contemplated the consequences of having multitudes of home-town newspapers that will publish items the national media ignores.)

Article ended with this:

The National Parks’ aggressive actions have spawned significant criticism in western states. Governors in park-rich states such as Arizona have been thwarted in their efforts to fund partial reopenings of parks. The Washington Times quoted an unnamed Park Service official who said park law enforcement personnel were instructed to “make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

The experience brought up many feelings in Vaillancourt. What struck her most was a widely circulated story about a group of World War II veterans who were on a trip to Washington, D.C., to see the World War II memorial when the shutdown began. The memorial was barricaded and guards were posted, but the vets pushed their way in.

That reminded her of her father, a World War II veteran who spent three years in a Japanese prisoner of war camp.

“My father took a lot of crap from the Japanese,” she recalled, her eyes welling with tears. “Every day they made him bow to the Japanese flag. But he stood up to them.

“He always said to stand up for what you believe in, and don’t let them push you around,” she said, adding she was sad to see “fear, guns and control” turned on citizens in her own country.

AesopFan on October 8, 2013 at 4:50 PM

I have purchased an Obamacare plan. but it is the massachusetts exchange and not federal

gerrym51 on October 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Did you keep your doctor?

Did the premium go down?

virgo on October 9, 2013 at 1:12 AM