Video: Stewart rips Sebelius over ObamaCare

posted at 8:41 am on October 8, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

It took until the seventh day of ObamaCare for someone to finally challenge the White House on its inconsistencies for mandate enforcement, and that someone was … Jon Stewart. The Daily Show host pushed Kathleen Sebelius on why she and Barack Obama granted delays for employers and insurers in their mandates, while individuals are still being forced into the incompetence known as the ObamaCare exchanges. As Mediaite reports, Sebelius refused to provide an answer even while Stewart repeatedly pressed her for one:

For someone who’s been highly critical of Republicans opposed to Obamacare, Jon Stewartwas really adamant in pressing Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius about issues he has with the health care bill, from the website bugs to the one-year business delay that individuals didn’t get. He repeatedly pressed that last point and got noticeably frustrated at the lack of a clear response.

Stewart did not receive an answer after asking how many people signed up for the website, before bringing up the “legitimate criticism” about individuals not receiving the one-year delay. Stewart said it looks like “you were favoring small business,” and despite Sebelius attempting to explain that this is only a small percentage of businesses and small businesses have no mandates, Stewart still couldn’t figure the logic out.

When he went to commercial break, Stewart asked, “Can we come back and ask some more questions? Can I ask the same one?”

In the second part of the interview, Stewart kept going, calling the issues with Obamacare “frustrating” due to the “level of incompetence that’s larger than what it should be.” He pointed out that businesses are cutting worker hours to exploit a loophole in the law, but Sebelius said that’s not true. Stewart also wondered if they could actually run it well, pointing out the issues the government has had managing the VA.

I’m torn on this.  On one hand, this makes me wonder just how much more traction Republicans could have gained in the media had they stuck with the delay strategy rather than going all-in on the doomed defunding strategy.  On the other, would Stewart really have asked Sebelius about this if Republicans had made it their central attack strategy in the budget impasse? Or would the epic meltdown of the exchanges forced his hand, as it arguably drove the conversation here? Hmmm.

Stewart wasn’t finished, either.  At the end of the show, Stewart accused Sebelius of lying to him:

“I still don’t understand why individuals have to sign up and businesses don’t, because if the businesses — if she’s saying, ‘well, they get a delay because that doesn’t matter anyway because they already give health care,’ then you think to yourself, ‘f*** it, then why do they have to sign up at all,’” he said. “And then I think to myself, ‘well, maybe she’s just lying to me.’”

Delaying the individual mandate might have been a favor to the White House, too. Now everyone can see what government-run health insurance will do — hike up premiums and create meltdowns in enrollment.  Stewart won’t be the last person to ask why Obama and Sebelius didn’t stop this train wreck when they had a chance, but Stewart’s platform is the last place the White House needs that message amplified.


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Jon Stewart is only complaining be cause he wants single payer.

Barred on October 8, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Jon Stewart guys? Really?

This is simply bad optics: conservatives usually criticize Stewart for his clown-nose-on-clown-nose-off routine and for being an overrated and dishonest political hack. But as soon as he agrees with conservatives on something they basicly jump unto the smallest breadcrumb. I find this undignified and I wish it would stop.

Valkyriepundit on October 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Then he goes back to dishonestly editing videos of Republicans and pretending he’s just a comedian instead of a flaming socialist.

Hard Right on October 8, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Yup. That’s his schtick. It’s made him very rich under loathsome capitalism.

rrpjr on October 8, 2013 at 11:26 AM

But as soon as he agrees with conservatives on something they basicly jump unto the smallest breadcrumb. I find this undignified and I wish it would stop.

Valkyriepundit on October 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

We do this with the NY Times, Kirsten Powers and most everybody on the Left. We want their approval and validation so badly it’s pathetic. Waiting under the table for their breadcrumbs is the perfect metaphor.

rrpjr on October 8, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Jon Stewart guys? Really?

This is simply bad optics: conservatives usually criticize Stewart for his clown-nose-on-clown-nose-off routine and for being an overrated and dishonest political hack. But as soon as he agrees with conservatives on something they basicly jump unto the smallest breadcrumb. I find this undignified and I wish it would stop.

Valkyriepundit on October 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

That’s just it, he’s -not- “agreeing with conservatives,” he’s -complaining- about the government service that he wants and demands (for others, of course, don’t you -dare- touch his golden health plan!). Get out of Stockholm, Valkyrie.

ebrown2 on October 8, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Sorry, Valkyrie, I reread the last sentence again and see that you’re agreeing with me.

ebrown2 on October 8, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Stewart uses this to advocate for single-payer. H3ll no.

obladioblada on October 8, 2013 at 11:34 AM

This is simply bad optics: conservatives usually criticize Stewart for his clown-nose-on-clown-nose-off routine and for being an overrated and dishonest political hack. But as soon as he agrees with conservatives on something they basicly jump unto the smallest breadcrumb. I find this undignified and I wish it would stop.

Valkyriepundit on October 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

I mostly agree with you, but I don’t think it is being done for “approval” from them – more of a “look, even these far-left people” agree with this argument, admit this fact, etc.

I think conservatives in general should do a better job of making that clear though. Instead of just posting “look at what Jon Stewart” said or did with approval – we should always preface it with “this guy is a clown, is dishonest, is a hack, and is a far-left partisan, but in this instance, even he has to admit x, as demonstrated by the following”

Because you are right, when we simply post some leftist idiot with approval in the few instances when they are rational or honest, we give them too much authority for when they are their usual dishonest, unintelligent selves.

Monkeytoe on October 8, 2013 at 11:39 AM

“Then I think, well, maybe she’s just lying to me.”

Yes, John, just like the guy you voted for, it’s all about you.

chimney sweep on October 8, 2013 at 11:39 AM

What you just witnessed from Stewart was a cogent, non-partisan, leftist criticism of the Affordable Care Act’s reliance on the private insurance system. I am baffled that HotAir is linking to it.

libfreeordie on October 8, 2013 at 9:02 AM

but but but Stewart is an echo chamber for the left, crybabies Hotair for the 1000th time

Dave Rywall on October 8, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Because a cable tv comedian said so, it’s ok to criticize Obamacare now (from the left that is).

This hastily thrown together law exposes the hypocritical corporatism of the Democratic party.

Corporatism, interventionism, rendition, extension of 98% of the Bush tax cuts; what do you even stand for anymore?

What I really love is how it exposes the corporatism of the Democratic party.

Daemonocracy on October 8, 2013 at 11:40 AM

I find this undignified and I wish it would stop.

Valkyriepundit

Your concern doesn’t make you a virtuous person.

chimney sweep on October 8, 2013 at 11:40 AM

So this communist administration is trying to act like a Fortune 500 sales buzz talking about their ultimate market that will fine you if you don’t purchase their product and send the IRS after you if you miss a payment. They have sent the Ubergruppenfuehrer of Eugenics to push it. “Abortion Macht Frei”

Hening on October 8, 2013 at 11:41 AM

This is simply bad optics: conservatives usually criticize Stewart for his clown-nose-on-clown-nose-off routine and for being an overrated and dishonest political hack. But as soon as he agrees with conservatives on something they basicly jump unto the smallest breadcrumb. I find this undignified and I wish it would stop.

Valkyriepundit on October 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

That’s typical of Hotair. They’re always posting misleading headlines to generate hits for Jon Stewart. When they’re not insisting Stewart is funny, they’re linking to Politico.

Daemonocracy on October 8, 2013 at 11:47 AM

This shill can sit across from someone who is clearly lying, over her head and responsible for the death of millions of children and claim the “other” party are a bunch of loons? How come his show wasn’t closed down since he’s clearly on the fed payroll.

Hening on October 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM

I think conservatives in general should do a better job of making that clear though. Instead of just posting “look at what Jon Stewart” said or did with approval – we should always preface it with “this guy is a clown, is dishonest, is a hack, and is a far-left partisan, but in this instance, even he has to admit x, as demonstrated by the following”

Because you are right, when we simply post some leftist idiot with approval in the few instances when they are rational or honest, we give them too much authority for when they are their usual dishonest, unintelligent selves.

Monkeytoe on October 8, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Precisely. It -always- has to be prefaced with his known intellectual and moral dishonesty.

ebrown2 on October 8, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Yawn. Coming from Jon Stewart, this is meaningless. Stewart worked overtime to put obama and SEBELIUS in office, TWICE – he worships them – he is a mindless obama-zombie.

Pork-Chop on October 8, 2013 at 11:57 AM

I used to think, like Stewart, that a profit-driven insurance market was wrong. People have little choice about their health problems, after all.

Now I realize it’s the lesser of two evils, and sometimes that’s the best choice we have.

Sebelius is lying if she says she will have no control over treatment. It’s all in the reimbursement rates and the mandates, and that’s changed the free market insurance world into a government department.

PattyJ on October 8, 2013 at 12:04 PM

On one hand, this makes me wonder just how much more traction Republicans could have gained in the media had they stuck with the delay strategy rather than going all-in on the doomed defunding strategy.

I think they are still sticking with the delay strategy, when they say that all citizens should get a waiver until all citizens have to participate…but I think I like seeing it roll out, so that people can see how bad it is, I know that is sadistic…

I know a lot of people will get hurt rolling this out, and with it’s impact on reducing hours and laying people off so that businesses get a better deal on Obama care, but if they wait until next year, the election will be over and people will not know until afterwards that their Obama Care was not free after all.

As for Sebelius, she has single handedly, without asking for any republican input, created a model from the worst of health insurance plans, put it on steriods, and now she is proud of what she has done. Gee, what a dope. The plans are all the same, you pay a lot or you pay a lot more. Believe me, this is not the choice and fabulous gourmet medicine we have had in Massachusetts with Romney care, people will be wishing for the days of their mini plans again. There is nothing Innovative about Secretary Sebelius, she is giving us 1980′s health insurance plans.

Fleuries on October 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM

What you just witnessed from Stewart was a cogent, non-partisan, leftist criticism of the Affordable Care Act’s reliance on the private insurance system. I am baffled that HotAir is linking to it.
 
libfreeordie on October 8, 2013 at 9:02 AM

 
Thanks for bringing up a very interesting point.
 
You believe the law should stand as written and eternally maintain that same reliance on the private insurance system, correct?

rogerb on October 8, 2013 at 12:12 PM

I used to think, like Stewart, that a profit-driven insurance market was wrong. People have little choice about their health problems, after all.

Now I realize it’s the lesser of two evils, and sometimes that’s the best choice we have.

Sebelius is lying if she says she will have no control over treatment. It’s all in the reimbursement rates and the mandates, and that’s changed the free market insurance world into a government department.

PattyJ on October 8, 2013 at 12:04 PM

The typical rates of profit that companies make in the free market is a tenth of the money wasted in corrupt government union bureaucracies. Add to that the cost of the loss of liberty we face from political corruption in organizations like the IRS, NSA, EPA, etc. Staying with profit-driven should be a no-brainer.

The Obamacare exchange should have been farmed out to the same companies that put together websites like einsurance.com, which works very well.

slickwillie2001 on October 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM

At the end of the show, Stewart accused Sebelius of lying to him:

She absolutely lied to him, claiming there was zero actual evidence that employers were cutting jobs down to under 30 hours to avoid Obamacare requirements.

Wait, that’s not what he was talking about?

Never forget, the remarkable thing about this softball interview from an person obviously sympathetic to the government and to Obamacare is that he criticizes her at all. That doesn’t change the fact that he lets her get away with a whole lot more than he calls her on.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

I used to think, like Stewart, that a profit-driven insurance market was wrong. People have little choice about their health problems, after all.

Now I realize it’s the lesser of two evils, and sometimes that’s the best choice we have.

PattyJ on October 8, 2013 at 12:04 PM

People have little choice when it comes to eating food. Or needing clothes on their back. Or a roof over their head. Nationalizing any of these things, including health insurance (“single-payer”), is a horrible idea.

Capitalism is not a perfect system but it’s the best system yet devised by man. One of the reasons is that no government agency can “manage” the millions upon millions of individual choices and decisions made every day in the market. So, socialist/authoritarian policies such as “single-payer” will always eventually fail, harming those people it was supposed to help. This is why Venezuela, for example, is out of toilet paper.

Reminder: the Socialist ideology has resulted in way more deaths than any other in all of human history.

visions on October 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

. I am baffled that HotAir is linking to it.

libfreeordie on October 8, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Bxtreme ‘bafflement’ seems to be your default position on most subjects.

Solaratov on October 8, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Extreme

Solaratov on October 8, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Well Jon, let stand back for a minute shall we??

When we check as to this woman’s political Party, we
see she is a Democrat…so Yes, she’s Lying to you Jon…

ToddPA on October 8, 2013 at 12:29 PM

“single-payer”

Typical Liberal: Sounds like “Free” to me!

Typical Conservative: Facepalm

can_con on October 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM

If I were young, I wouldn’t sign up. It’s like a car payment and if you have to go to the ER or to a doctor, you still end up paying the full cost.

Blake on October 8, 2013 at 12:34 PM

The regime needs to find better liars. Fixed it for them.

Kissmygrits on October 8, 2013 at 12:36 PM

I am so sick of these morons who cheer so loudly anytime one of their beloved talking points are aired in public.

long_cat on October 8, 2013 at 12:40 PM

BOR kept asking Juanito last night if this was a moral imperative that we pay for other people’s insurance. We already pay for their food, cell phone, kid care, kid school lunch, aortions, free you name it. Now we’re supposed to feel warm and fuzzy about having to pay for someone else’s doctor bills. Of course Juanito said yes.

Kissmygrits on October 8, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Democratic National Committee says it is launching paid media campaign that targets Republican congressional leaders, blames them for shutdown – @*NN

1 min ago from politicalticker.blogs.*nn.com by editor
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http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 12:40 PM

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Proving he is completely ignorant of most things the government runs Stewart called the issues with Obamacare “frustrating” due to the “level of incompetence…

OK so I slightly edited that.

Raise your hand if you believe the government is or would be competent at running something as important as your healthcare?

And this is before we even get to the fiscal insolvency of the entire program.

Marcus Traianus on October 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Feds: US adults are dumber than the average human

How do they think Obama got elected?

Resist We Much on October 8, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Raise your hand if you believe the government is or would be competent at running something as important as your healthcare?

And this is before we even get to the fiscal insolvency of the entire program.

Marcus Traianus on October 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM

According to the constitution, the federal government is only supposed to be doing a couple of things. 2 of them include:

1. The post office
2. Securing the border

The post office? They’re in serious financial trouble, in perpetuity. It’s delivering mail, for pete’s sake!

Securing the border? That’s a total failure as well, and also highly politicized? Think the Left won’t politicize a “single-payer” system? Of course they would.

visions on October 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM

I’m torn on this. On one hand, this makes me wonder just how much more traction Republicans could have gained in the media had they stuck with the delay strategy rather than going all-in on the doomed defunding strategy.

So Ed, you’re OK with Republicans campaigning on defunding Obamacare during election years, but then you think they should play politics with it in a non-election year and strive for a compromise with Democrats? Many of these people were elected specifically because they ran on defunding, most notably Cruz. I know you think defund was doomed, but that’s why they were sent there – not sure why you can’t seem to grasp that very simple idea.

King B on October 8, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Stewart, in taking this position, is even more wrong-headed than that which he criticizes, particularly in perpetuating this myth.

“Health care doesn’t lend itself to market based solutions…” @ 4:50

Counter-argument #1: http://reason.com/blog/2012/11/15/oklahoma-doctors-vs-obamacar

questionmark on October 8, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Can’t tell the difference between healthcare and health insurance

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 8, 2013 at 1:10 PM

When you say John Stewart is lying, are you referring to Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz?

reddevil on October 8, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Better people keep telling me the delay tactic was smarter than defunding it. But implicit in the delay tactic is that we accept ACA in its current form.

John the Libertarian on October 8, 2013 at 1:19 PM

When you say John Stewart is lying, are you referring to Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz?

reddevil on October 8, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Always, at least in my case. Calling him out as “Leibowitz” underscores his phoniness and clearly gets under his skin, if his public spats about it are any indication.

I agree btw that the “fair-weather” linking and accolades for Leibowitz are extremely annoying and Ed especially seems fond of doing this for some reason. It’s hard to imagine a more willfully dishonest media hack than Leibowitz and conveniently forgetting this when he’s throwing a few breadcrumbs is pathetic.

As for Sebelius and ObamaFail, same story every day. These latest fails and “lies” are nothing new, ObamaCare is basically the Tea Pot Dome of our time, a rolling disaster of government corruption and malfeasance.

smiley on October 8, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Raise your hand if you believe the government is or would be competent at running something as important as your healthcare?

And this is before we even get to the fiscal insolvency of the entire program.

Marcus Traianus on October 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM

According to the constitution, the federal government is only supposed to be doing a couple of things. 2 of them include:

1. The post office
2. Securing the border

The post office? They’re in serious financial trouble, in perpetuity. It’s delivering mail, for pete’s sake!

Securing the border? That’s a total failure as well, and also highly politicized? Think the Left won’t politicize a “single-payer” system? Of course they would.

visions on October 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Entities like slavenowandie are salivating at the thought of political euthanasia through denial of health care, after it becomes government controlled.

ebrown2 on October 8, 2013 at 1:39 PM

True, slickwillie and visions.

We’re going down the wrong path. Thankfully, it is being revealed as such.

PattyJ on October 8, 2013 at 1:45 PM

But as soon as he agrees with conservatives on something they basicly jump unto the smallest breadcrumb. I find this undignified and I wish it would stop.

Valkyriepundit on October 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

We do this with the NY Times, Kirsten Powers and most everybody on the Left. We want their approval and validation so badly it’s pathetic. Waiting under the table for their breadcrumbs is the perfect metaphor.

rrpjr on October 8, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Meh. I don’t think so. It’s more like a statement against interest – a powerful admission.

besser tot als rot on October 8, 2013 at 1:51 PM

When you say John Stewart is lying, are you referring to Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz?

reddevil on October 8, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Always, at least in my case. Calling him out as “Leibowitz” underscores his phoniness and clearly gets under his skin, if his public spats about it are any indication.

I agree btw that the “fair-weather” linking and accolades for Leibowitz are extremely annoying and Ed especially seems fond of doing this for some reason. It’s hard to imagine a more willfully dishonest media hack than Leibowitz and conveniently forgetting this when he’s throwing a few breadcrumbs is pathetic.

As for Sebelius and ObamaFail, same story every day. These latest fails and “lies” are nothing new, ObamaCare is basically the Tea Pot Dome of our time, a rolling disaster of government corruption and malfeasance.

smiley on October 8, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Mr. Morrissey apparently likes to play “Minnesota Nice” with jackanapes like Dave Weigel and Stewart, instead of regarding them as the poisonous snakes that they are.

John Stewart is the Anthony Weiner of American political discourse.

ebrown2 on October 8, 2013 at 1:51 PM

But as soon as he agrees with conservatives on something they basicly jump unto the smallest breadcrumb. I find this undignified and I wish it would stop.

Valkyriepundit on October 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

We do this with the NY Times, Kirsten Powers and most everybody on the Left. We want their approval and validation so badly it’s pathetic. Waiting under the table for their breadcrumbs is the perfect metaphor.

rrpjr on October 8, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Meh. I don’t think so. It’s more like a statement against interest – a powerful admission.

besser tot als rot on October 8, 2013 at 1:51 PM

As long as it’s always framed that way.

ebrown2 on October 8, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Incoming cognitive dissonance, Ed!

Steelers to promote Obamacare.

blammm on October 8, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Almost like they are trying to sell us dog poop. We do NOT want or need it and that is our final answer.

Amazingoly on October 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Isn’t this guy a comedian?

faraway on October 8, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Isn’t this guy a comedian?

faraway on October 8, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Freedom and human equality before the law are his punchlines and the joke is on us.

ebrown2 on October 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I find this undignified and I wish it would stop.
Valkyriepundit

Oh, please. The goal isn’t to be virtuous or consistent here. The goal is to win.

We should be broadcasting this Stewart far and wide. Sure, Stewart is a tool and usually an Obama worshiper, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t use Stewart to so damage to Obama when we can.

bluegill on October 8, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Broadcasting this Stewart video, that is.

bluegill on October 8, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Well gee lets all get giddy and shit ourselves because a self-serving hack comedian asked his fellow comrade an obvious question which she didn’t answer. The damage this clown has inflicted by exploiting the lazy and willfully ignorant is irreparable. I wish HA would quit validating this idiot.

Buttercup on October 8, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Jon Stewart is only complaining be cause he wants single payer.

Barred on October 8, 2013 at 11:15 AM

I think we can win that one too. Just look at the fantastic results of our single payer public education system.

monalisa on October 8, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Sorry KAT wheni go to the doctor or emergency room …. I reach into my back pocket, pull out my wallet and pay for the services rendered.

Many years ago I realized I could fork over monthly payments for a policy that I was unlikely to use or I could keep that money and invest it for the benefit of myself and family. Long story short my investment has turned to about 1.5 mil today and I now carry a dirt cheap 50k deductible catastrophic policy.

Best part…. whenever I go to the doctor.. they notice I don’t have insurance and discount the services the render.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 8, 2013 at 2:40 PM

What you just witnessed from Stewart was a cogent, non-partisan, leftist criticism of the Affordable Care Act’s reliance on the private insurance system. I am baffled that HotAir is linking to it.

libfreeordie on October 8, 2013 at 9:02 AM

I see that you are being frank: non-partisan = leftist.
No wonder you and your colleagues believe partisanship is only what conservatives do.

As for the ACA’s reliance on the private insurance system: the problem is that it did not rely totally on the private system, by dismantling the foolish government-imposed obstructions to shopping for health insurance that meets each individual’s needs.

Take away the state mandates and the tax advantages that accrue only to employers and not to individuals, allow the private insurers and health care providers to actually compete in the same way other businesses do, and you would have had some entreprenuer iniate the “travelocity model” for insurance and care decades ago, with a gradual transition from employer-based to individual-based insurance and no disruption to the economy.

AesopFan on October 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Not really – He just complained because he wanted perfect customer service, blamed the problem on Republicans for instituting such a poor idea for healthcare and it ended up with them both agreeing that socialized medicine was the real answer.

Skywise on October 8, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Socialists disagree with each other a lot about the “details”, but not about the need for more socialism, or about the need for more centralized government planning and control of the economy, or about the need for more wealth confiscation and redistribution.

But the disagreements over the “details” can get pretty violent. Stalin ended up assassinating Trotsy over such a disagreement.

Here we have one socialist calling another a liar over a disagreement about how best to go about achieving the ultimate goal — a complete government takeover of the health care industry and a government run health care system. That socialist is accusing the other of the ultimate mortal sin of socialism, favoring capitalists over the workers. The other socialist is trying to say it is a necessary evil, for now. But the first socialist isn’t buying it. Perhaps Sebelius is not dedicated enough to The Cause, or something.

farsighted on October 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM

But the disagreements over the “details” can get pretty violent. Stalin ended up assassinating Trotsy over such a disagreement.
farsighted on October 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Well ya – look at the Shiites and Sunnis in the religion of peace…..

dentarthurdent on October 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Can’t believe it wasn’t mentioned that he was advocating for single payer and I ended up watching nearly ten minutes of that crap waiting for him to “rip” her. Crappy job Ed.

KMav on October 8, 2013 at 5:04 PM

What you just witnessed from Stewart was a cogent, non-partisan, leftist criticism of the Affordable Care Act’s reliance on the private insurance system. I am baffled that HotAir is linking to it.

libfreeordie on October 8, 2013 at 9:02 AM

I see that you are being frank: non-partisan = leftist.
No wonder you and your colleagues believe partisanship is only what conservatives do.

As for the ACA’s reliance on the private insurance system: the problem is that it did not rely totally on the private system, by dismantling the foolish government-imposed obstructions to shopping for health insurance that meets each individual’s needs.

Take away the state mandates and the tax advantages that accrue only to employers and not to individuals, allow the private insurers and health care providers to actually compete in the same way other businesses do, and you would have had some entreprenuer iniate the “travelocity model” for insurance and care decades ago, with a gradual transition from employer-based to individual-based insurance and no disruption to the economy.

AesopFan on October 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Slavenowandie doesn’t -want- that. It would only provide further historical and moral justification for free-market capitalism over the vicious evils of socialism and actually -help- the poor and middle class get health coverage. What he and his ilk want is the -destruction- of private health care with a consequent government takeover. Then, enemies of his ideal political dystopia can either get health-care illegally on the black market, with the subsequent risk of prosecution in kangaroo courts, or they can die in the gutter after the state refuses treatment to them on the grounds of political incorrectness.

ebrown2 on October 8, 2013 at 6:48 PM

What you just witnessed from Stewart was a cogent, non-partisan, leftist criticism of the Affordable Care Act’s reliance on the private insurance system. I am baffled that HotAir is linking to it.

libfreeordie on October 8, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Well, bafflement js your natural state, so what’s new….

jimver on October 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Mrs. Sebelius is out of touch, and she is from Kansas. When it comes to insurance, and health insurance, no two states are alike, and if you live on the East Coast or the West Coast or in a sophisticated suburb of a blue city, you have not seen insurance like Mrs. Sebelius’ bronze gold silver platinum for a long long time, you have had super choice for super prices, but a much more sophisticated plan than a one size fits all, with four prices and huge deductibles. Yesterday I said in a post, it is like 1980′s insurance, except no policy had those high deductibles she has created. 1.I think she is insane; 2. she has no experience in the finer health care markets around the country. No one with any cash wants to buy this, they are used to consumer choice.

Please comment if you are from flyover country, I really don’t believe in putting you down but there is a huge difference in sophistication which usually is unfair. Mrs. Sebelius was a governor who did nothing for health insurance in her state; and the states most unable to handle Obama Care, were not states that had consumers revolting and fixing their own health insurance system, they just didn’t buy it.

The new policies do not suit you, but they definitely don’t suit us. This is all reflected in these backwards health insurance policies that she has created. Seriously, I want you to know, that these metal colored health insurance policies have no resemblance to the original Romney Care in MA, (we have Duval Care, a hybrid of 2006 health care with Duval Patricks Obamacare changes,) but then no one here is talking. Romney’s plan had affordable mini plans with caps on spending; Romney’s plan bought small plans for low income people with the money that would have gone into a Medicaid system. It appears some small business in MA found out that they have to follow Obama Care, after all the fixing here to make it work, and it is not as good. What a loser Mrs. Sebelius is, they should have selected someone liberal from MA to design the policies, no one wants these.

Are you looking at the policies and comparing? I don’t just mean price, but I mean choices, please comment.

Fleuries on October 8, 2013 at 7:18 PM

I am going to give Stewart credit for ripping apart Sebelius, even though he was advocating for rationing our health-care system and creating death panels. I am happy to see people getting health-care insurance, but why the mandate? Sebelius doesn’t answer. Why delay for businesses, but not for individuals? Sebelius doesn’t answer.

Frank T.J Mackey on October 8, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Jon Stewart guys? Really?

This is simply bad optics: conservatives usually criticize Stewart for his clown-nose-on-clown-nose-off routine and for being an overrated and dishonest political hack. But as soon as he agrees with conservatives on something they basicly jump unto the smallest breadcrumb. I find this undignified and I wish it would stop.

Valkyriepundit on October 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Thank you thank you thank you. Battered women’s syndrome equivalent.

kim roy on October 8, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I used to think, like Stewart, that a profit-driven insurance market was wrong. People have little choice about their health problems, after all.

Now I realize it’s the lesser of two evils, and sometimes that’s the best choice we have.

Sebelius is lying if she says she will have no control over treatment. It’s all in the reimbursement rates and the mandates, and that’s changed the free market insurance world into a government department.

PattyJ on October 8, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Capitalism is the worst economic model that a society could build itself on… until you take a good long hard look at all the others…

What you DO see PattyJ is that the healthcare market has become a government controlled one and that has made it worse. You are better off than most in that regard and your eyes are open in that respect (and I highly commend you for it).

What you have NOT seen PattyJ is that his has LONG been the case. The government has been slowly taking over the healthcare market for decades… and with every incremental step… it has made it worse. I’ve studied it’s history… and every single act that the government has passed in order to ‘fix’ the healthcare market has ended up creating the very problems that the next ‘act’ was made to fix.

Obamacare was passed to fix the problem of HMO’s and PPO’s… something that the previous government legislation (passed under Clinton and Authored mostly by Ted Kennedy) created!

If you keep studying the history you’ll realized that Healthcare ceased being a free market in the 90′s… and that this trend started all the way back in the 60′s.

The only way to fix the health care market is to undo ALL of that.

Chaz706 on October 8, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Sebellius lying through her teeth claiming that “(the exchanges) is the first time people will have the chance to shop and compare different plans”. She ignores the fact that websites like ehealthinsurance.com have existed for years.

Oh, and guess what? In two seconds I was able to get a quote from 58 different plans without having to create any accounts or putting in bank information.

ptcamn on October 8, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Can’t believe it wasn’t mentioned that he was advocating for single payer and I ended up watching nearly ten minutes of that crap waiting for him to “rip” her. Crappy job Ed.

KMav on October 8, 2013 at 5:04 PM

The first time i heard it I reacted the same way. However, after thinking it for a few minutes, I realized that the point he was making was valid. Even if I disagree with Stewart that a single payer system would be better his overall point was that we cannot keep doing these things halfway because they just make things worse. You either go full free market or full single payer, but mixing and matching elements from both simply exacerbates the problems.

He was wrong on the benefits of single payer, but not in the overall point that these half- conceived measures that pretend to be ‘free market’ don’t make anything better.

ptcamn on October 8, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Does anyone else think it’s strange politics that O’Reilly and Stewart now side against Obamacare and propose the same solution?

PattyJ on October 9, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Let me just say, I REALLY hate some of the quirks of HotAir since Salem bought them, including popups and video ads that start playing by themselves. But the worst is that pages refresh themselves. I was just right in the middle of typing up a lengthy comment and the page auto-refreshed and I lost everything. I guess I will have to be more cautious to select all and copy more often, but I wish the pages would not auto-refresh.

Anyway, I’ll try to re-create my points:

I find it amusing that Stewart says health care does not lend itself to market-based solutions, as if a single payer system could avoid market realities. We had a much more market based system 50 years ago and we spend a quarter of the percentage of GDP that we spend now on health care, because care was much cheaper. A single payer system eliminates all incentives for patients not to overuse the system, and quantity demanded increases dramatically. The increase in demand increases prices, so govt must find a way to keep prices from exploding. They can mainly do this by either refusing to pay for certain procedures or by reducing price reimbursements to providers. This drives providers out of the system when they can’t make enough money to justify taking out $300,000 in student loans, and the supply of providers drops, leading to provider shortages and waiting lines. The inevitable results of single payer are some combination of increased costs for govt vs denied care and waiting lines for patients, and a less lucrative and more restricted profession for doctors.

We need to get to a market based system with price transparency and patient skin in the game. If the govt was going to be heavy handed in a beneficial way, they should force all providers to post prices for all visits/procedures, and outlaw fixed-rate co-pays.

Here’s a personal example for an MRI. An MRI is a $100 co-pay under my current plan. We recently got an MRI for a family member and it was $1500 but we only paid $100. In the past, under a different high deductible insurance plan, we were on the hook for the MRI cost. So we shopped around and got an MRI for around $500. That 300% difference in price — $1500 vs $500. Insurance overpaid by $1000 and that’s why our rates keep going up every year. If instead of a flat $100 co-pay, I had a 20% co-pay for the MRI, a $500 MRI would have still only cost me $100, but a $1500 MRI would have cost me $300. To save the $200, I would have shopped around and checked prices and found the $500 MRI instead of just going to the closest imaging center and not even looking at the price until the EOB came in the mail a month later. Providers posting prices would have facilitated this. If all providers posted prices, I would imagine comparison shopping websites would pop up quickly and it would be easy to find the cheapest reputable imaging center within a reasonable distance.

If the insurance companies would move to percentage based co-pays they could really keep costs down and offer more competitive rates. But I’m sure they haven’t done this because it would be hard to sell plans with more unpredictability in out-of-pocket costs, and people would complain because it is REALLY hard for patients to find out ahead of time how much things will cost. If the plans were in place and patients were clamoring for prices from providers, then providers would have to respond and start offering some price transparency. But without the price transparency, none of the insurance companies will offer plans structured that way. That is why I say the govt requiring posting prices would be beneficial, because that would kick-start the process.

willamettevalley on October 9, 2013 at 6:33 AM

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