ObamaCare info can be used for “law enforcement and audit activities,” says Maryland exchange

posted at 8:01 pm on October 8, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

The other day, Byron York posed a rather uncomfortably poignant question on the Twitters: “Does the punishing way the Obama administration has run aspects of the shutdown reveal anything about how it will run national health care?”

The very obvious ways in which the bureaucracy is going out of its way to make sure that the shutdown is causing as much highly visible pain as possible, combined with some of the other petty and political behaviors we have seen from The Most Transparent Administration, Evah of late (the IRS’s growing track record of political vendettas springs immediately to mind), makes me feel just a tad bit uneasy about the federal government having access to and control over so many individuals’ deeply personal information with the formation of the ObamaCare databases.

Yesterday, I mentioned the news that Maryland has finally succeeded in enrolling at least a few hundred of their exchanges’ visitors for insurance plans — but I certainly hope those enrollees took a moment to read the fine print. Jeryl Bier at the Weekly Standard caught it, emphasis mine:

If users are able to endure long page-loading delays, they are presented with the website’s privacy policy, a ubiquitous fine-print feature on websites that often go unread. Nevertheless, users are asked to check off a box that they agree to the terms. …

The first is regarding personal information submitted with an application for those users who follow through on the sign up process all the way to the end.  The policy states that all information to help in applying for coverage and even for making a payment will be kept strictly confidential and only be used to carry out the function of the marketplace.  There is, however, an exception: “[W]e may share information provided in your application with the appropriate authorities for law enforcement and audit activities.”

The second of these pause-worthy conditions states that any emails sent to the system will become part of the public record, and ergo, that “your correspondence could be disclosed to other parties upon their request in accordance with Maryland’s Public Information Act.” Awesome.

As Bier notes, the wording of the privacy statement looks awfully and deliberately vague; to which authorities, exactly, is the statement referring, and who exactly determines when it is appropriate to release that information to said authorities? The world may never know.


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Part of the anti-gun control crowd. If you have ever taken any sort of anti-depressant or similar drug that will be reported to the cops and they will come take your guns just like they did in New York to that one guy.

Johnnyreb on October 8, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Welcome to life behind Obama’s Iron Curtain.

predator on October 8, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Nevertheless, users are asked to check off a box that they agree to the terms

Why even have a check box, you can’t say no anyway because It’s. The. Law.

Bishop on October 8, 2013 at 8:09 PM

The Stasi would be so jealous.

rbj on October 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM

LOL whee and all your personal info like how many guns your household has … welp… is now known. Yes they do ask about firearms.

watertown on October 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Well,..a Double-Edged Sword!!!

Federal Trickery knows no bounds sumpins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Welcome to Nazi Germany.

John the Libertarian on October 8, 2013 at 8:16 PM

The first blood work you get done that exposes any drug metabolytes not prescribed brings a personal visit from the narcs? Yeah, that will go over really well with the young crowd.

Harbingeing on October 8, 2013 at 8:18 PM

We go back in tome,to HopeyCare DoubleSpeaketh:

PENALTIES:
———–

Obama Refuses to Rule Out Jail Time for People Who Don’t Buy Health Insurance.
**********

Jake Trapper Interview:

Uploaded on Nov 10, 2009

President Obama said that penalties are appropriate for people who try to free ride the health care system but stopped short of endorsing the threat of jail time for those who refuse to pay a fine for not having insurance.

What I think is appropriate is that in the same way that everybody has to get auto insurance and if you don’t, you’re subject to some penalty, that in this situation, if you have the ability to buy insurance, it’s affordable and you choose not to do so, forcing you and me and everybody else to subsidize you, you know, there’s a thousand dollar hidden tax that families all across America are — are burdened by because of the fact that people don’t have health insurance, you know, there’s nothing wrong with a penalty.
=================================================================

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u6cKd3WCIU

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Clearly, a violation of the 5th, and 4th, amendment. A shooting-worthy violation.

M240H on October 8, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Thats,..time,and not tome!

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Yes they do ask about firearms.

watertown on October 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Just say “none.”

Unless you did something really weird like register them or something.

predator on October 8, 2013 at 8:20 PM

The Obamacare law does not give the feds much power when it comes to collecting the Obamacare penalty, but the Obamacare law also says that Obamacare is not a tax. However, the SCOTUS opinion upholding Obamacare says that it is a tax — and federal laws give the IRS a lot of power when it comes to collecting delinquent taxes.

Some people who went on the government site the first day were reporting that they were being told on the site that there were a lot of potential penalties if they did not buy Obamacare — penalties like tax liens being placed on their houses, money being taken from their bank accounts, etc.

Remember those hundred or so meetings that the White House recorded in its visitor logs with head IRS honchos (before the WH declared its visitor logs none of the public’s business) a couple of years ago? Some thought they were discussing ways to harass the Tea Party 501(c)(3) applicants, but maybe they were also plotting ways to use tax laws to force Obamacare down the throats of an unwilling public.

Any tax lawyers out there who can weigh in on this?

AZCoyote on October 8, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Soooooooooooooooo,

Snitchy Phones Lines must not be far behind,..I bets?!

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 8:22 PM

The Stasi would be so jealous.

rbj on October 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Tell me about it.

This is so far beyond just a government shutdown or ObamaCare.

We’ve got armed agents locking people in their hotel rooms and all the Republicans can say is “Obama won’t negotiate.”

Obama closes chapels and threatens priests with arrest if they perform mass in the military and all Republicans can complain about is “Obama won’t negotiate with us.”

Park Service agents openly say “We were told to make your lives as miserable as possible.” but no Republican bothers to haul that officer before any committee to see who did the order. Heck.. an anti-terrorist unit is told to stand down in the middle of the Navy Yard shooting.. and still nothing is done about it.

White Rose survivor Jürgen Wittenstein described what it was like to live in Hitler’s Germany: “The government – or rather, the party – controlled everything: the news media, arms, police, the armed forces, the judiciary system, communications, travel, all levels of education from kindergarten to universities, all cultural and religious institutions. Political indoctrination started at a very early age, and continued by means of the Hitler Youth with the ultimate goal of complete mind control. Children were exhorted in school to denounce even their own parents for derogatory remarks about Hitler or Nazi ideology. My own teenage cousin, for instance, threatened to denounce his father; and I was barely able to deter him by pointing out to him that he himself might end up destitute if his father were arrested and incarcerated.”[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose

JellyToast on October 8, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Snitchy Phones Lines must not be far behind,..I bets?!

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 8:22 PM

They will be the websites that work.

KCB on October 8, 2013 at 8:25 PM

White House
Obama Administration Aide Tweets Racial Slur, Apologizes

Bmore on October 8, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Pic of the Day: What Could Possibly Go Wrong If We Put Our Healthcare In The Government’s Hands?

Resist We Much on October 8, 2013 at 8:16 PM

…that’s not funny!…JugEars would use that!

KOOLAID2 on October 8, 2013 at 8:28 PM

JellyToast on October 8, 2013 at 8:23 PM

…thanks!…good post

KOOLAID2 on October 8, 2013 at 8:29 PM

I remember seeing so many movies about NAZI Germany wherein a street-level SS officer approaches an intimidated subject and says “Papiere, bitte!” Now we have an opportunity to experience first-hand the intimidation, the threats, the head-swimming faintness that comes with government intimidation. Reluctant to comply? Never mind, they will get to you.
.
Just be sure you have those damn papers and that they look authentic, Citizen. Auf wiedersehen!

ExpressoBold on October 8, 2013 at 8:32 PM

…the Politburo Press…is alive…and in America!

KOOLAID2 on October 8, 2013 at 8:36 PM

It bears repeating: As a kid I entertained, as others did I’m sure, the philosophical “I wonder how I’m going to die” exercise. Never once did “shot in a civil war forced upon us by the federal government in pursuit of an unconstitutional denial of explicit freedoms” come to mind. And now, decades later, it doesn’t sound so impossible.

TxAnn56 on October 8, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Will they ask about drug use? And the give it to the FBI NICS if you buy a gun.

Form 4473 Question 11.e

“Are you an unlawfull user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?”

mad saint jack on October 8, 2013 at 8:48 PM

…you guys are just a bunch of loony conspiracy theorists.

equanimous on October 8, 2013 at 8:52 PM


There is, however, an exception: “[W]e may share information provided in your application with the appropriate authorities for law enforcement and audit activities.”

I am sure this provision isn’t just applicable in Maryland…

I think NOW is a good time to leave all this behind and crawl into my cave and never come out…

America;

Thou Art Doomed By Thy Own Hand…
And Tho Art Too Blind To See It…

Scrumpy on October 8, 2013 at 8:52 PM

penalties like tax liens being placed on their houses, money being taken from their bank accounts, etc.

I too believed that the only power the IRS had was to withhold your refund so I’m good, I thought – until I read that. Our fam currently has health ins thru the wife, but what if they decide to no longer cover spouses & family? I will not want to be going thru the exchanges.

While these exchanges don’t directly affect my family now, it’s still chilling. I don’t even want to go to my doc for yearly checkup because I do not want my records to be part of the leviathan healthcare database. If I do go, there will be plenty of questions that I won’t be answering. I keep reminiscing about that Seinfeld episode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyossoHFDJg

mdenis39 on October 8, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Gawd,

I gets da feeling, that the Dems are going to erect a Berlin Wall soon,……

…….Hopey HealthCare Wall Sumpins……

(sarc)

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 8:54 PM

…you guys are just a bunch of loony conspiracy theorists.

equanimous on October 8, 2013 at 8:52 PM

which will be noted in your permanent Federal mental health files…

equanimous on October 8, 2013 at 8:58 PM

I’ve been reading a lot lately on Nazi Germany. Something I found this morning that I had never heard of before.

There was only one public manifestation of opposition to the Nazi persecution of the German Jews, the Rosenstrasse protest of February 1943, sparked by the arrest and threatened deportation to death camps of 1,800 Jewish men married to non-Jewish women. Before these men could be deported, their wives and other relatives rallied outside the building in Rosenstrasse where the men were held. About 6,000 people, mostly women, rallied in shifts in the winter cold for over a week. Eventually Himmler, worried about the effect on civilian morale, gave in and allowed the arrested men to be released. Some who had already been deported and were on their way to Auschwitz were brought back. There was no retaliation against the protesters, and most of the Jewish men survived the war. This incident was remarkable both for its success and its uniqueness, and again raises the question of what might have happened if more Germans had been willing to protest against the deportations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Resistance

JellyToast on October 8, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Well so much for HIPPA!

GarandFan on October 8, 2013 at 9:01 PM

The United States of America has: an Army, A Navy, an Air force, a Marine Corp, Nuclear missiles, the best Food and Drug administration in the world.
Oh and the world’s only successful space program, we defeated the Nazis and saved Europe’s ass, we invented color TV,
You are glad to see boys don uniforms to defend this nation.
You are happy to see your tax return, your social security, our national parks and a host of services you take for granted built on the sweat and labor of Americans having done things you would Never do.

and you don’t trust your fellow citizens with Health Care?

Observation on October 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Observation on October 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

One of the largest, wide sweeping non-sequiturs I’ve ever seen.

KMC1 on October 8, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Observation on October 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

?

DaveDief on October 8, 2013 at 9:49 PM

The United States of America has: an Army, A Navy, an Air force, a Marine Corp, Nuclear missiles, the best Food and Drug administration in the world.
Oh and the world’s only successful space program, we defeated the Nazis and saved Europe’s ass, we invented color TV,
You are glad to see boys don uniforms to defend this nation.
You are happy to see your tax return, your social security, our national parks and a host of services you take for granted built on the sweat and labor of Americans having done things you would Never do.

and you don’t trust your fellow citizens with Health Care?

Observation on October 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

I’ve seen the IRS target specific groups, Homeland security molest grannies, militarization of police forces, peropticon surveillance of everyone, the NPS go gestapo, ICE ordered to ignore illegal aliens, the DOJ and executive pick and choose which laws to enforce, various regulatory bodies pick winners and losers in teh marketplace, car delearships chosen to be shut down, the bailout of the banks, public pensions, and the unions, Men women and children burned alive by a paramilitary domestic force in Waco, lowering of standards for particular interest groups, and the fed buy specific securities to inflate the DJIA to create a false narrative that all is well.

Murphy9 on October 8, 2013 at 9:49 PM

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 8:22 PM

They will be the websites that work.

KCB on October 8, 2013 at 8:25 PM

KCB:Lol:)

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 9:56 PM

That’s a tax too!

/Chief Justice Roberts

gwelf on October 8, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Observation on October 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

That’s a lot of straw men.

I do trust my fellow citizens with health care. It’s called a market. The government isn’t the ultimate embodiment of “fellow citizens”. That’s the market.

And it’s not just a matter of “trust” with the government – something they’ve proven in the past several years they don’t deserve by the way – but a matter of what’s actually possible with government. The government is not capable of efficiently or effectively managing healthcare for 300 million people. It can’t be done.

gwelf on October 8, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Absolutely hilarious. HopenChange at its best!

I’m not giving this bunch one shred of information. I pay a lot to ensure my personal information is secure and my identity is safe. These bozos will never get one shred of information from me so they can hand it over to identity thieves OR any law enforcement agency.

No way, not in a million years.

Meople on October 8, 2013 at 10:42 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose

JellyToast on October 8, 2013 at 8:23 PM

It’s worthwhile reading about the White Rose, a group of young people who engaged in a pamphletting campaign against the Nazis, and other acts of “civil disobedience” which were of course criminal actions in Germany at the time.
They were eventually busted when they scattered the last of a bag of leaflets and a janitor collared them for littering — and then the Gestapo read the papers. Many of the group were executed.

Great example; see Helmuth Hübener’s story also.

“German boys! Do you know the country without freedom, the country of terror and tyranny? Yes, you know it well, but are afraid to talk about it. They have intimidated you to such an extent that you don’t dare talk for fear of reprisals. Yes you are right; it is Germany — Hitler Germany! Through their unscrupulous terror tactics against young and old, men and women, they have succeeded in making you spineless puppets to do their bidding.” — from one of Helmuth Hübener’s many pamphlets, subsequently also published in When Truth Was Treason: German Youth against Hitler, Editors Blair R. Holmes and Alan F. Keele.

Oh, BTW,
Godwin’s Law is now de facto repealed.

AesopFan on October 8, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Only a fool will sign up for this nonsense.

If it comes down to it, I will pay a penalty and be uninsured.

TX-96 on October 9, 2013 at 6:12 AM

If you do not buy health insurance and thus incur the Obamacare tax the IRS will just write a regulation that says whatever income or other tax payments you make will apply first to the Obamacare tax and then to the other taxes due.

Then if your tax payments do not cover your entire tax liability they can go after you for income tax evasion.

Nomas on October 9, 2013 at 6:33 AM

Time for the AMERICAN SPRING! Occupy America! Throw the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD out of the SPITE-house and the federal government!

Marco on October 9, 2013 at 1:22 PM