Boehner to Obama: There will be no unconditional Republican surrender

posted at 8:41 pm on October 8, 2013 by Allahpundit

Indeed not. The surrender, when it comes, will definitely be conditional. At least enough so that Boehner can claim some sort of fig-leaf “victory.”

His point here is simple: Contra O’s demands earlier this afternoon, the House isn’t going to pass a clean CR or a clean debt-ceiling hike — not even short ones, which Obama hinted today might be enough to bring him to the bargaining table. But wait — if the (new) goal of the shutdown is to get O to negotiate and he’s now publicly agreeing to negotiate once the shutdown’s over, doesn’t that mean it’s in the GOP’s interest for the shutdown to end? Well, no, not if you think (a) that Obama’s unlikely to agree to anything meaningful without some fiscal pain to force him to and (b) that he’ll cave sooner or later and start talking to the GOP even if the shutdown’s still in effect. That’s clearly what Boehner thinks, and his candor in saying so is an amusing counter-taunt to O daring him yesterday to bring a clean CR to the House floor for a vote.

President Obama and I sat down in 2011 and had a serious negotiation.

And while the president today suggested that I walked away from the deal, I would have to remind him that I was in the Oval Office along with the majority leader, Eric Cantor, when we in fact had an agreement that two days later the president walked away from.

But there was, in fact, another negotiation in 2011 that resulted in, really, the largest deficit reduction bill that we’ve seen here in the last 30 years. But in 2010, when Democrats controlled the Congress and President Obama was in the White House, what happened was, a group of moderate Democrats in the House wouldn’t agree to raise the debt limit without a negotiation.

So there was a negotiation then amongst Democrats over raising the debt ceiling.

The long and short of it is, there is going to be a negotiation here.

You’ll cave, buddy, and we both know it. Is that, plus the point at the end of the clip below about unconditional surrender, just Boehner talking tough or does he really believe it? On the one hand, Noam Scheiber’s right that Boehner’s been known to talk a good game before folding: “The reality is that Boehner understands perfectly well that a default would be catastrophic. But because of enormous pressure from his Tea Party wing, Boehner always has to appear to be completely unrelenting up until the very last minute, at which point he relents. If the Treasury Secretary says we will default on October 17, then Boehner has to sound positively Churchillian right up until the evening of October 16, at which point he will finally break it to his troops that they have exhausted all their options.” On the other hand, his colleague at TNR, Nate Cohn, is also right that the polls on this shutdown look better for the GOP than they did during the 1995 shutdown that scared Republicans away from this tactic for nearly 20 years:

The share of voters blaming Republicans exclusively is well beneath 50 percent, suggesting that today’s persuadable voters—the key voters on the road to 50 percent—are angry at both parties. Other questions show broad dissatisfaction with both parties. A majority of voters say they disapprove of Obama’s performance on the budget; a majority of voters even say they’re “angry” with President Obama, as well as congressional Democrats.

That’s not what the polls found in the 1995-1996 shutdown, when nearly half of voters consistently put the blame on the House Republicans. And although President Clinton’s approval rating might have slipped during the shutdown, his approval ratings held near 50 percent—unlike President Obama.

That’s one of the reasons O decided to hold a presser in the first place today, of course. Public disapproval of congressional Republicans is higher than it is for him or congressional Democrats, but the “blame” question is more ambivalent than the White House would like. And Boehner knows it, which may be why he’s more inclined this time than in the past to push his luck with a default.

Nah, who are we kidding? He’ll fold. Exit question: If the new plan to pressure Boehner is to get the Senate to pass a clean debt-ceiling hike first, what will the effect on him be if/when Reid can’t get to 60 votes to make it happen? And even worse, what happens if he can’t get to 60 because some Senate Democrats are voting with the GOP?


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BobMbx on October 8, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Nah, who are we kidding? He’ll fold. Exit question: If the new plan to pressure Boehner is to get the Senate to pass a clean debt-ceiling hike first, what will the effect on him be if/when Reid can’t get to 60 votes to make it happen? And even worse, what happens if he can’t get to 60 because some Senate Democrats are voting with the GOP?

Manchin will oppose a clean debt limit hike until he has to vote, at which point he will support it. If he doesn’t, he’s finished, and he knows it.

What Republicans are failing to understand is that the entire point of the Senate exercise is to get Republicans on record as opposing a clean debt limit hike. Republicans are assuming that Obama and the Democrats will blink – they won’t. If the Republicans don’t blink first, our economy will move into recession on Oct 18, and the Republicans will be on record as having caused it.

I’ve never seen a stupider bunch of morons in my life.

Mr. Arkadin on October 8, 2013 at 10:28 PM

If somehow the American people can make Washington DC live within their means by not raising the debt ceiling, and if we could keep them from inflating the currency, we could end a lot of corruption in Washington DC and get rid of the illegal foreign invaders that are taking over America and have more clout in Washington DC than WWII vets.

FloatingRock on October 8, 2013 at 10:13 PM

I think a 2 state solution would be appropriate.

What say you, Joe?

BobMbx on October 8, 2013 at 10:30 PM

If the Republicans don’t blink first, our economy will move into recession on Oct 18, and the Republicans will be on record as having caused it.

I’ve never seen a stupider bunch of morons in my life.

Mr. Arkadin on October 8, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Hey bud, just remove the annual “porkulus” spending and watch what happens. We’re already there. We’re on borrowed time. The instant China stops buying our debt, game over.

BobMbx on October 8, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Let me repeat myself for the slower folks in the room. If the party faithfull vote in lockstep in the Senate on a clean debt limit hike, 54 Democrats will be on record as having tried to save our economy, and 46 Republicans will be on record as having wrecked it. And when the bill is sent over to the House, and every Democrat votes yes, and enough Republicans vote no to kill it (if the bill even makes it to the floor past the effing Hastert Rule), same thing. Get it? End of Republican Party. End of Tea Party. End of conservatism. Dead, dead, dead.

Mr. Arkadin on October 8, 2013 at 10:36 PM

MeanWhile,..back at the GOP Bunker:

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canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 10:37 PM

TXUS on October 8, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Thank you!! I get so tired of HA and others using the Dems/Administrations talking points of default!! It’s exactly as you say.

bluefox on October 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Hey bud, just remove the annual “porkulus” spending and watch what happens. We’re already there. We’re on borrowed time. The instant China stops buying our debt, game over.

BobMbx on October 8, 2013 at 10:33 PM

The instant China stops buying our debt their export-led economy goes into the toilet, you economic illiterate. Buying our debt is as much in their interest as in ours, which is why they bitch, and keep buying. You seem really excited over the idea of a new, catastrophic recession. Have a good time!

Mr. Arkadin on October 8, 2013 at 10:41 PM

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Well I have a few words for Norquist and they are not fit to post!!

bluefox on October 8, 2013 at 10:41 PM

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Well I have a few words for Norquist and they are not fit to post!!

bluefox on October 8, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Bluefox:Agreed,heres from Megyn Kelly———:)
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Megyn Kelly to Ted Cruz: ‘What’s It Like to Be the Most Hated Man in America?’
Oct. 8, 2013 8:52am
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VIDEO:(7:09)

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/08/megyn-kelly-to-ted-cruz-whats-it-like-to-be-the-most-hated-man-in-america/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Mr. Arkadin on October 8, 2013 at 10:36 PM

When have those 14-15 R Senators in the Senate ever NOT voted with the Dems & Reid? Those turncoats won’t vote no. They couldn’t even vote no on cloture to rid the Country of Obamacare!!

Reid will pass the increase on the debt ceiling and send it to the House. I don’t think the R’s will vote no on it since they don’t want this hung around their neck.

This may have been Boehner’s plan all along. Let Reid take care of it.

It’s won’t be the end of the R party or anything else. Boehner may just lose his Speakership if it comes to light that was his plan all along. The R’s in the House will be out for blood and it will be his for putting them in that position.

bluefox on October 8, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Now is the time to drop the Obamacare demands and go for massive spending cuts.

blink on October 8, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Yeah, let’s give up the current strategy that is working in favor of a the same losing strategy Boehner played in ’11 that will result in fake “spending cuts” that don’t cut spending. /s

No thanks, Blink. I’m not interested in reducing the rate of increase in spending, I want to stop Obamacare and remain a free man. This isn’t a game.

FloatingRock on October 8, 2013 at 10:59 PM

blink on October 8, 2013 at 10:47 PM

The ruling class is never going to cut spending. The Cruz/Lee plan is the only game in town.

FloatingRock on October 8, 2013 at 11:00 PM

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Thanks canopfor! I can’t stand her or Foxleft anymore. Haven’t watched them for a few weeks. I heard about how she treated Senator Cruz.

Also heard about Fox running a banner when interviewing Louie Gohmert.

For some reason Fox thinks people like hearing a leftie and a rightie arguing and talking over each other, along with the host.

If I wanted to hear that, I’d go visit my bro-in-law:-)

bluefox on October 8, 2013 at 11:02 PM

Is it just possible the Boehner has found his testicular fortitude because O’ has been such a petty, vindictive, Jerk-wad at at every opportunity?

This whole bit of theater has been rather fascinating to me. It shows just how much of a self centered, petulant, power-hungry dork this President is. What’s really fascinating is to see how many people are so willing to stick their head in the sand and not see the facts in front of their face.

We have spent money to close open air malls and kick people out. At the same time we’ve told the border patrol to stand down. WTH??!

With all of this, I don’t think the president should be impeached. No, instead, I think he should be charged with treason.

hoakie on October 8, 2013 at 11:19 PM

I’ve never seen a stupider bunch of morons in my life.

Mr. Arkadin

That’s not what your bathroom mirror says.

xblade on October 8, 2013 at 11:46 PM

Agreeing to drop the Obamacare issue in exchange for $200 billion in spending cuts would force the media to agree that the House has met Obama’s demands.

blink

Yeah, the media couldn’t possibly lie to cover for Obama if THAT happened, lol. As if by magic, dishonest reporting would be rendered impossible.

Not.

xblade on October 8, 2013 at 11:52 PM

The record only cares about who the president is, so no matter what bad things happen, Obama is responsible. Republicans should hang tough. 83%of the government is running. The other part will be paid when they get back. It’s not a big deal. Not much worse than the dreaded sequester. And now the debt-ceiling. Really!

The bigger point is that Obama is a screw-up. His supporters now know it, from Syria. Democrats have no idea how to manage a financial operation, of any size. And their utopian healthcare dreams are turning to excrement. They are tired of pretending to govern and they need to be shown a way out.

virgo on October 9, 2013 at 12:42 AM

What is this ‘default’ crap, Allah?

There will be no default. Revenues per month are 200 billion monthly, payments on debt are 20 billion monthly, and the Constitution says (I know, they could ignore it) that revenues will be prioritized to debt payment, period.

Obama would be sunk even by his own party if he chose default, and he would have to choose and force it.

He would bring the eventual crash into the present. I’d prefer that, but the reasoning is too complicated to get into here.

It’s just a matter of who caves first, nothing new.

Meremortal on October 9, 2013 at 1:03 AM

I’ve never seen a stupider bunch of morons in my life.

Mr. Arkadin on October 8, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Please list the smart morons you have seen.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on October 9, 2013 at 1:38 AM

Now is the time to drop the Obamacare demands and go for massive spending cuts.

blink on October 8, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Right, as Obamacare is crashing and burning in front of the country let’s take it off the table.

rrpjr on October 9, 2013 at 1:49 AM

Let me repeat myself for the slower folks in the room. If the party faithfull vote in lockstep in the Senate on a clean debt limit hike, 54 Democrats will be on record as having tried to save our economy, and 46 Republicans will be on record as having wrecked it. And when the bill is sent over to the House, and every Democrat votes yes, and enough Republicans vote no to kill it (if the bill even makes it to the floor past the effing Hastert Rule), same thing. Get it? End of Republican Party. End of Tea Party. End of conservatism. Dead, dead, dead.

Mr. Arkadin on October 8, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

There are those of us who see past the media hype and actually know that the continuous, ruinous increases in the debt are destroying this country and our future. We stand with the Republicans in this matter.

Theophile on October 9, 2013 at 5:02 AM

If Boehner caves … he’ll be replaced as speaker.

We win either way.

HondaV65 on October 9, 2013 at 7:56 AM

End of Republican Party. End of Tea Party. End of conservatism. Dead, dead, dead.

Mr. Arkadin on October 8, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Yeah you’re right – all the Tea Party folks and Conservative Republicans will be magically turned into Socialist Marxist Dimmocrits.

/s

Are you for real? Seriously? If the GOP goes down – something else rises up. There’s no chance in hell the South is going to go blue.

Relax, chicken little.

HondaV65 on October 9, 2013 at 7:59 AM

what is the democrats end game? what is their plan?

DanMan on October 9, 2013 at 8:06 AM

what is the democrats end game? what is their plan?

DanMan on October 9, 2013 at 8:06 AM

Easy, dysfunction, followed by single payer, as was always intended.

All they need to do is steal a few measly House elections in 2014.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on October 9, 2013 at 8:11 AM

I am as willing to assume Boehner’s surrender as the next Eeyore on the thread.

But let us consider a few things – the debt ceiling is a bigger issue and one in which the GOP is in better political position – raising the debt limit is not popular with almost any group. What is Boehner’s political justification to settle without something of moderate significance? The election is over a year away, and since he has already taken the hit for creating the financial impasse he doesn’t lose anything by continuing it as long as Obama is acting like an a$$ – which he is, and which some are beginning to see – hence the language change to “threats”.

Keep funding with CRs – and hope Harry Reid keeps talking. The pressure on Boehner was before the “shutdown” started. Now its on the prez – and he isn’t handling it well. Polling data shows there is no one popular in DC right now – and more nuanced questioning is really destroying the dem’s we are winning narrative, and by their behavior, it seems they know it.

The GOP merely needs to wait – they have time. In the meantime, we are getting a better understanding of what about govt we like and what we don’t. That is a good thing.

Zomcon JEM on October 9, 2013 at 8:35 AM

So Allahpundit is a RINO. With a name like Allahpundit I’m not surprised.

bgibbs1000 on October 9, 2013 at 8:35 AM

And another thing – besides the parks – what is actually shutdown? We need a new word, when 70-80% of an organization is actually operating, a shutdown seems kind of a lame description.

Zomcon JEM on October 9, 2013 at 8:36 AM

So O’S approval (according to drudge) is now down in the 30′s….he is NOT winning folks. We need to move forward with the plan (whatever that is) as Rush keeps saying “We are winning this thing”!

justonevictory on October 9, 2013 at 8:47 AM

This is downright scary. My liberal friend is telling me that he prefers a military coup than the current situation. The guy is glued to Reddit so I’m sure that this little nugget of insanity was born there…

VA benefits recipients have died!
Prisons are struggling in several states with laid off workers and are concerned of the inmates.
Outbreaks in the meat supply.
and these motherf^&*ers are just sitting there.
I can’t wait till they bump the 14th man.
Robert • 20 mins

I’m ready for the military to take over.
Robert • 19 mins

WTF!?!

19 mins

Robert
Yup.
Robert • 19 mins

SERIOUSLY DUDE?

19 mins

Robert
I’m tired of the civilians.
Robert • 19 mins
this is not egypt

19 mins

Robert
It might as well be.
Robert • 19 mins

no… this has happened 17 times in the past

18 mins

Robert
I come from a military upbringing. Shit gets done.
Robert • 19 mins

this is not a new thing

18 mins

the government shuts down
the sides come together
it gets resolved
life goes on
get some historical perspective dude

18 mins
T

Robert
I don’t want them to get together now. They’ve done too much damage and only shown me their utterly incapable idiots.
Get rid of them.
Send in the military.
Robert • 18 mins

Defenestratus on October 9, 2013 at 8:51 AM

This is downright scary. My liberal friend is telling me that he prefers a military coup than the current situation. The guy is glued to Reddit so I’m sure that this little nugget of insanity was born there…

Defenestratus on October 9, 2013 at 8:51 AM

friend“? What kind of a friend do you consider him to be?

Anti-Control on October 9, 2013 at 8:54 AM

So O’S approval (according to drudge) is now down in the 30′s….he is NOT winning folks. We need to move forward with the plan (whatever that is) as Rush keeps saying “We are winning this thing”!

justonevictory on October 9, 2013 at 8:47 AM

And because conservatism is winning the RINOs will force a cave very soon.

bgibbs1000 on October 9, 2013 at 8:58 AM

“friend“? What kind of a friend do you consider him to be?

Anti-Control on October 9, 2013 at 8:54 AM

We grew up together. While I know its tough for people to accept, I don’t evaluate the value of my friendships by their political views.

We have different ideas – and I’m happy to say that I had actually converted him to a libertarian (well I had thought so before this morning when he blindsided me with this military coup talk). He’s not that much of a liberal anyways – he’s a card carrying member of the NRA.

Defenestratus on October 9, 2013 at 8:59 AM

The Rs had better stand firm or this country is toast. Zerocare crashed faster that the Won expected even tho he was warned beforehand. Reid probably doesn’t have single payer ready for a vote so that means people paying higher premiums for less insurance for a long time. Prezzy Hostage Taker will continue with the speeches until morale improves. If Bonehead caves, the long downhill slide will pick up speed cuz dear leader only governs by edict.

Kissmygrits on October 9, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Get it? End of Republican Party. End of Tea Party. End of conservatism. Dead, dead, dead.

Mr. Arkadin on October 8, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Good grief man I see you got the memo that it’s “We the Peoples” job to panic. Try standing for something…anything except caving and appeasing the Commies. If you haven’t figured it out genius the tactic of the GOP acting just like the Democrats hasn’t worked out real well for our party.
Keep blurring the party lines right? If tax and spend is what you want in your leadership then don’t pretend you’re a Conservative, you’re already gone squish.

Buttercup on October 9, 2013 at 9:13 AM

We grew up together. While I know its tough for people to accept, I don’t evaluate the value of my friendships by their political views.

We have different ideas – and I’m happy to say that I had actually converted him to a libertarian (well I had thought so before this morning when he blindsided me with this military coup talk). He’s not that much of a liberal anyways – he’s a card carrying member of the NRA.

Defenestratus on October 9, 2013 at 8:59 AM

There is room for reasonable disagreement, which is why I have numerous (good) friendships with some people who lean Left. But, there are limits. I stopped being friends with someone I had really liked when he started to become seriously racist – I couldn’t believe he’d let himself get so stupid. Your friend similarly sounds like too much of a dumb@ss for me…maybe he’s just venting, I don’t know him.

Anti-Control on October 9, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Boehner to Obama: There will be no unconditional Republican surrender

Pretty impressive that weepy is holding out for a conditional surrender.

DeweyWins on October 9, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Your friend similarly sounds like too much of a dumb@ss for me…maybe he’s just venting, I don’t know him.

Anti-Control on October 9, 2013 at 9:31 AM

He’s too susceptible to the socialist den of Reddit. He’s also a die hard atheist which gets under my skin when he revels in the posting me stories of annoying crap they do.

But we both love technology, sailing, guns, outdoors, and I had *thought* personal liberty. I consider him my “work in progress”. He was actually a big fan of Rand.

Defenestratus on October 9, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Furthermore, I find it useful to have someone against which you have to defend your ideology. It keeps you intellectually honest.

Defenestratus on October 9, 2013 at 9:44 AM

I think the wet noodles are getting a little stiff. I’m still not impressed though.
Keep up the pictures America, it’s got the democRATS running under ground and President stompy feet, from the US SpiteHouse saying NO!
It’s my way or nothing.
Well Liberals including some Republicans, the House runs the purse and we the people with their elections say NO back at ya.

mmcnamer1 on October 9, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Let me repeat myself for the slower folks in the room.

Mr. Arkadin on October 8, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Whenever a post begins this way it is generally appropriate to ignore what follows.

rrpjr on October 9, 2013 at 10:06 AM

If Boehner caves … he’ll be replaced as speaker.

We win either way.

HondaV65 on October 9, 2013 at 7:56 AM

You are an Obama democratic, you are not a part of “we”.

slickwillie2001 on October 9, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Megyn Kelly to Ted Cruz: ‘What’s It Like to Be the Most Hated Man in America?’
Oct. 8, 2013 8:52am
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VIDEO:(7:09)

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/08/megyn-kelly-to-ted-cruz-whats-it-like-to-be-the-most-hated-man-in-america/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons

canopfor on October 8, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Ask Obama that, b1tch.

Midas on October 9, 2013 at 10:59 AM

McLame already announced we can’t win. Who tells the team they can’t win before the game even starts? He says there’s no way out of this mess. Why doesn’t he sit in his office and play Angry Birds instead. Lead, follow or get out of the way. I want my vote back, John.

Kissmygrits on October 9, 2013 at 11:44 AM

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