Obama to Boehner: I dare you to hold a House vote on a clean CR

posted at 7:21 pm on October 7, 2013 by Allahpundit

Now that the White House dream of a discharge petition is dead, they’ve turned to a foolproof Plan B: Politely taunting Boehner to bring a clean CR to the floor himself. O’s game here is to claim that Democrats would win if Boehner allowed that, but I don’t think that’s true. They would win if the House operated via secret ballot, but he’s got the same problem here as Pelosi has with her petition. Namely, it’s just too risky for centrist GOPers to cross the aisle and destroy the party’s negotiating leverage by casting an actual vote against shutdown. The reason Obama wants this vote isn’t because he expects Democrats would win, it’s because he expects it would fail along party lines (more or less) and then he could get back to claiming that this is all Republicans’ fault. Between the feds locking elderly vets out of war memorials and Reid refusing to fund the NIH so kids with cancer can get treated, that message lately has become, shall we say, muddled.

Since Plan B is doomed, then, it might be time for Plan C: Forget the CR for now and pressure Boehner by getting the Senate to vote on a clean debt-ceiling hike, in the hope/expectation that six Republicans there will cross the aisle. McCain, Graham, Collins, Murkowski, Kirk, and one other would do it, assuming all Democrats vote together. Which they will.

The aide said that they are confident that all 52 Democrats and both independents in the Senate would vote for a “clean” increase…

During the 2011 debt-ceiling negotiations, 43 Republican senators sent a letter to Reid saying they would not support a “clean” debt-ceiling hike. Of the four who didn’t sign the letter, only two — Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) and Susan Collins (R-Maine) — are still in office. Many Senate Republicans have complained openly about efforts led by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) to tie the debt ceiling and government shutdown issues to Obamacare, but that hasn’t translated into support for bills with no Republican demands attached.

But if Senate Democrats could pass a clean increase, it would put House Republican leadership in the awkward position of likely opposing something that they said a week before was not worth discussing because it couldn’t even pass the Democrat-controlled Senate.

Whether Reid can get six Republicans may depend upon what the polling over the shutdown looks like. Gallup reported this morning that considerably more people view the current shutdown as more serious than the 1995 version. Back then, 12 percent called it a “crisis” and 44 percent called it a “major problem”; this time, the numbers are 21 percent and 49 percent, respectively. ABC/WaPo, meanwhile, asked respondents whether they blame Obama, congressional Dems, or congressional Republicans more. Verdict:

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Majorities disapprove of everyone, but the growth in disapproval of the GOP is outpacing the growth for O and his caucus. Even in Utah, Mike Lee’s very red home state, nearly as many people blame the GOP for the shutdown as they do Obama. Is that enough to get six Senate Republicans to bend on a clean debt-ceiling hike?

One thing I don’t understand is why, per Ed’s post earlier, the White House would suddenly signal that they’d accept a short-term debt ceiling extension. Even if it’s true that they’d agree to one at the eleventh hour to avert hitting the debt limit, their goal right now is to convince Boehner that they absolutely, positively won’t negotiate, and therefore he should cave and pass a clean hike. Telling him that they’ll agree to a short-term hike is basically encouraging him not to cave, to keep pushing for demands because, even if he can’t get the White House to agree, they’ll bail him out at the last minute by agreeing to raise the debt-ceiling for a few weeks. I can only assume that they’re saying that now because they’re worried about the drop in the Dow this morning and want to show Wall Street that it’s not time to panic. Or is there another obvious reason I’m missing?

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But good point, neither liberals nor Tea Party types should hold the country hostage to their will.

bayam on October 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM

So why won’t dingy harry allow any votes in the Senate on bills the House has already passed?

dentarthurdent on October 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Midas on October 7, 2013 at 8:46 PM

SMACK!

Barred on October 7, 2013 at 8:51 PM

But good point, neither liberals nor Tea Party types should hold the country hostage to their will.

bayam on October 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Someone call roberb to archive this.

Lost in Jersey on October 7, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Today’s 22% support nearly matches the record low found two years ago.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/164648/tea-party-support-dwindles-near-record-low.aspx

bayam on October 7, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Considering that every time the Liberal Media mentions the word Tea Party, it is prefaced or followed by “Anarchist”, “Crazy”, “Nut Job”, etc., I’d say considering that, support is huge!

I’d like to see a poll where Tea Party issues were actually polled on for support by the public. I’d venture well over 50% of the public would actually agree with them.

BierManVA on October 7, 2013 at 8:53 PM

But good point, neither liberals nor Tea Party types should hold the country hostage to their will.

bayam on October 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM

When you say TEA Party types,
what exactly do you mean ?

burrata on October 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

I’d like to see a poll where Tea Party issues were actually polled on for support by the public. I’d venture well over 50% of the public would actually agree with them.

BierManVA on October 7, 2013 at 8:53 PM

It wouldn’t matter.
Conservatives like many of us have no interest in answering pollsters – I hardly ever answer the phone any more unless it’s someone I know – and want to talk to.

But judging by the late night talk show “man on the street interviews” – the average resident of our Idiocracy doesn’t know that “Obamacare” and “Affordable Care Act” are the same thing; doesn’t know which party Obama is in; and doesn’t know a dang thing about the US Constitution – as brayam continually demonstrates.

dentarthurdent on October 7, 2013 at 8:59 PM

How many times do we have to say it? Let it burn. It’s what Obama and his handlers have always wanted, anyway, and we need to scrap this criminal, greed-infested system that’s been feeding off the people for far too long.

HiJack on October 7, 2013 at 9:00 PM

When you say TEA Party types,
what exactly do you mean ?

burrata on October 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Another direct and theoretically easy question for the libtard to answer – so don’t expect an answer.

dentarthurdent on October 7, 2013 at 9:00 PM

When you say TEA Party types,
what exactly do you mean ?

burrata on October 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Racist, sexist, homophobes, miscreants, bible thumping, country bumpkins, uneducated, misinformed, disinformed, snowbillies, hillbillies, nazi’s, terrorists, extremists, chattering class, flag bearing, finger wagging Amurcans.

/MSNBC

Key West Reader on October 7, 2013 at 9:06 PM

One thing I don’t understand is why, per Ed’s post earlier, the White House would suddenly signal that they’d accept a short-term debt ceiling extension.

Because Dear Leader is getting weak kneed?

All of our foreign enemies and belligerents know he will cave when the pressure is on.

Will he really have more courage on this when faced with unknown consequences — despite what they say no one really knows what will happen — and potentially getting the blame for what happens.

Comrade O may get weak kneed and make a deal, provided he can save face. Just as he did over Syria’s chemical weapons (remember them). This may be what Boehner has concluded and it may be why his rhetoric is more aggressive.

farsighted on October 7, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Wow, think about this, the Republicans lead, of course, but not by much. Can you imagine what those polls would look like if the Democrats and Obama had GWB’s press?

bflat879 on October 7, 2013 at 9:11 PM

When you say TEA Party types,
what exactly do you mean ?

burrata on October 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Racist, sexist, homophobes, miscreants, bible thumping, country bumpkins, uneducated, misinformed, disinformed, snowbillies, hillbillies, nazi’s, terrorists, extremists, chattering class, flag bearing, finger wagging Amurcans.

/MSNBC

Key West Reader on October 7, 2013 at 9:06 PM

You forgot gun-clingers.

HiJack on October 7, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Racist, sexist, homophobes, miscreants, bible thumping, country bumpkins, uneducated, misinformed, disinformed, snowbillies, hillbillies, nazi’s, terrorists, extremists, chattering class, flag bearing, finger wagging Amurcans.
/MSNBC

Key West Reader on October 7, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Otherwise known as :
Productive non-criminal taxpaying patriotic American citizens.
Yup, who wants such people ?

burrata on October 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM

The Tea Party, which represents about 20% of the population, is throwing a tantrum because it can’t pass legislation to repeal Obamacare through the normal political process. So it’s holding 70% of the population to its whims.

bayam on October 7, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Thanks. We didn’t think it would be this easy.

Of course, when 70% of the population needs its meds adjusted, somebodies got to be the adults.

Oh, and about that holding 70% of the population to its whims….

It feels gooooood.

MichaelGabriel on October 7, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Thank you Justice Roberts you prick!

racquetballer on October 7, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Again, a Tea Party supporter fails to understand that annual spending bills aren’t the forum to repeal legislation, reform federal policies, or otherwise dictate the laws of the land.

bayam on October 7, 2013 at 7:59 PM

This power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure.
– JAMES MADISON
Wednesday, February 20, 1788
Federalist Paper 58

Lost in Jersey on October 7, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Home run.

farsighted on October 7, 2013 at 9:24 PM

How’s ’bout these clowns act constitutionally…and PASS A FRIGG’N BUDGET!!!!!!…… how long has it been now?…..

This GubRmint has stolen the American people’s credit card….. while we keep ask’n them to return it. When ever they get close to max’n out the card….. and we think that will be the end of their steal’n from us…..they call the lender and git them to increase the limit…..

Thugs ….nut’n but THUGS

roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 7, 2013 at 9:27 PM

They would win if the House operated via secret ballot…
AP

Nice and revealing admission there.
Sure, they’d do what they know is right…if they could.

verbaluce on October 7, 2013 at 7:32 PM

If they knew their vote was secret, they would do what was right?

A secret vote would just encourage them to do what was easy.

Still, it’s quite an admission — from the left. No wonder they’re not so fond of transparency.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 7, 2013 at 9:33 PM

They would win if the House operated via secret ballot…
AP

 
Nice and revealing admission there.
Sure, they’d do what they know is right…if they could.
 
verbaluce on October 7, 2013 at 7:32 PM

 
If they knew their vote was secret, they would do what was right?
 
A secret vote would just encourage them to do what was easy.
 
Still, it’s quite an admission — from the left. No wonder they’re not so fond of transparency.
 
There Goes the Neighborhood on October 7, 2013 at 9:33 PM

 
I’m fairly certain directly opposing the will of your constituency is pretty much the exact opposite of “what’s right”.

rogerb on October 7, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Namely, it’s just too risky for centrist GOPers to cross the aisle and destroy the party’s negotiating leverage by casting an actual vote against shutdown.

Not true, only in the most red states or in highly gerrymandered districts do moderate Republicans fear a Tea Party nut root revolt. The Tea Party has the support of around 20% of the US population, and only exercises its power through a broken nomination process.

If it were too risky, as you claim, the GOP leadership would allow a vote to prove it has agreement in its ranks. But we all know that isn’t the case.

bayam on October 7, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Only 20%? Really?

If you want to troll around here, you really need to up your game.

But then, the president really needs to up his maturity level.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 7, 2013 at 9:39 PM

They would win if the House operated via secret ballot…
AP

Nice and revealing admission there.
Sure, they’d do what they know is right…if they could.

verbaluce on October 7, 2013 at 7:32 PM

If they knew their vote was secret, they would do what was right?

A secret vote would just encourage them to do what was easy.

Still, it’s quite an admission — from the left. No wonder they’re not so fond of transparency.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 7, 2013 at 9:33 PM

I’m fairly certain directly opposing the will of your constituency is pretty much the exact opposite of “what’s right”.

rogerb on October 7, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Let’s try applying verbaluce’s logic to other “do what’s right” moments.

Men are much less likely to cheat on to their wives if they can do it in secret?

People are less likely to cheat on their taxes if they know the IRS will never find out?

Bank robberies are less likely if the criminals know they will never get caught.

Brilliant! I’m sure Del would grade it an A++.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 7, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Who knew that health insurance was a right — life, liberty and the pursuit of affordable healthcare.

racquetballer on October 7, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Man, when he gets that bad look on his face and dares you,
he’s scarier than Robert Conrad with a battery.

mrt721 on October 7, 2013 at 9:57 PM

What Obama calls “clean” and what Republicans call clean are two totally different things. Don’t accept their corrupt language.

Ken James on October 7, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Murkowitz and Graham would sign their own political death warrants by voting with Dems on a clean CR.

McCain announces his retirement by doing so.

Collins and Kirk are possible, but would lose the conservative base.

exdeadhead on October 7, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Let’s have a vote tomorrow on you continuing to be President, Mr. Obama. To make it a contest, you may run against Monica Lewinsky’s stained dress as the Republican stand-in.

shuzilla on October 7, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Wake up Obama, Boehner already told you the is no “damn” game . . . so forget the double-dare.

rplat on October 8, 2013 at 4:15 AM

I’m inclined to encourage Boehner to have a vote on a clean CR, just so we know who we can trust in the foxhole. Then cut their throats. Otherwise, this is just a dare w/ no upside. Obama will not accept the results and encourage the Senate to have a straight vote on the original CR sent to it.

That actually should be Boehner’s response, we didn’t get a straight simple vote on the 1st CR we sent to you guys, until we do, I’m not moving anything else w/ Obamacare in it.

I also like having a vote today on BHO as well.

gonnjos on October 8, 2013 at 5:58 AM

I’m surprised our petulant crybaby president hasn’t threatened to hold his breath until a “clean CR” is passed.

sadatoni on October 8, 2013 at 8:01 AM

Shut the mofo down.

Like in Dark City.

Shut it down.

It’s what’s for dinner.

Sherman1864 on October 8, 2013 at 8:12 AM

Gee, I wonder what Romney thinks.

Remember him?

Sherman1864 on October 8, 2013 at 8:14 AM

I dare you, Mr. President to do the job you shirked from day one, and send us a budget?

Don L on October 8, 2013 at 8:36 AM

No quarter, Mister President… None asked, none given…

Khun Joe on October 8, 2013 at 8:58 AM

The jug-eared rodeo clown can’t run the Spite House, and now he’s trying to run the People’s House. What a tool.

MikeinPRCA on October 8, 2013 at 9:02 AM

I think Obama likes this shut down, it is a game to him and I think he finds it amusing.
I can see that big baby planning which “Tea Party type” group to put up a barricade for today.

ORconservative on October 8, 2013 at 9:06 AM

When will the “double dog dares” begin?

ProfShadow on October 8, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Nice and revealing admission there.
Sure, they’d do what they know is right…if they could.

verbaluce on October 7, 2013 at 7:32 PM

No. That means they’d vote for it only if they couldn’t be held accountable for it by the public and their constituents.

gwelf on October 8, 2013 at 9:40 AM

I’m inclined to encourage Boehner to have a vote on a clean CR, just so we know who we can trust in the foxhole. Then cut their throats…

gonnjos on October 8, 2013 at 5:58 AM

Boehner is the one who purged conservatives from the leadership posts in the first place. We already know who’s throat needs cutting.

Fenris on October 8, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Why doesn’t Boehner schedule a vote on the clean CR and demand that Reid do the same with all of the bills that come from the House?

Or is Boehner lying and thinks that it would pass? Strange response either way.

MitchFlorida on October 8, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Again, a Tea Party supporter fails to understand that annual spending bills aren’t the forum to repeal legislation, reform federal policies, or otherwise dictate the laws of the land.

The Tea Party, which represents about 20% of the population, is throwing a tantrum because it can’t pass legislation to repeal Obamacare through the normal political process. So it’s holding 70% of the population to its whims.

bayam on October 7, 2013 at 7:59 PM

The whole CR is an affront to republican government. The elites in DC have put the people in the position of either voting for anarchy or tyranny.

And yes the Constitution gives the House the authority to do exactly what it’s doing. If the CR process wasn’t in place and Democrats showed any concern at all for the debt spending of the federal government then none of this would be necessary. But the Democrats want to completely ignore the House and claim they are upholding republican values. Before they gained power the Democrats – including Reid, Pelosi and Obama – railed on Bush for the debt spending and since they’ve gained power any decrease in the growth of government is tantamount to the end of civilization. Democrats don’t want a return to “regular order” where the budget is hashed out between the two houses and each item is considered. It is the Democrats who have pushed us into a situation where the choice is ever increasing government or a “shut down”.

gwelf on October 8, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Stop the BS of calling these people “centrist” Republicans.They are just gutless liberals!

redware on October 8, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Have the CONGRESS vote? Riiiiiiight, Captain No compromise.

And nice schoolyard try on the double dawg dare, is that lil’ barry’s version of “having game” and “playing at this level”? How very sad.

This dope hasn’t said a coherent thing since the beginning of his second term- it is no wonder nobody, NOBODY cares what stupidity tumbles out of his idiot piehole anymore.

From despots to dishwashers, nobody cares what our prancing ninny presidunce has to say.

Anyway:

- why doesn’t princess sandtraps have the Senate vote on any of the myriad spending bills sent over by Congress?

- where was all this concern about voting the last several years when the nevada pederast was refusing to bring to the senate floor any discussion/votes on a federal budget? You know, one of the principal reasons for the existence of a legislative branch in this country?

What a pathetic moron. At long last, I can definitively conclude why this dope smoking loser never released his grades. He is a drooly dolt.

He should go back to the weed and the coke full time- he couldn’t be any more bizarrely jibber-jabbery than he is now, and might actually enjoy his last few years of ruining my country.

GrassMudHorsey on October 8, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Again, a Tea Party supporter fails to understand that annual spending bills aren’t the forum to repeal legislation, reform federal policies, or otherwise dictate the laws of the land.

bayam on October 7, 2013 at 7:59 PM

This power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure.
– JAMES MADISON
Wednesday, February 20, 1788
Federalist Paper 58

Lost in Jersey on October 7, 2013 at 8:24 PM

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what is affectionately know as being “WTF-pwnd”, and why bayam disappears every once in awhile to lick his wounds after being shown repeatedly to be every bit the f*ckwitted ignorant piece of shit an average third grader would see him to clearly be.

Midas on October 8, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Of course it is o k for reid to sit on bills in the Senate but not Boehner.

rjoco1 on October 8, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Harry Reid brings the House bill to a vote in the Senate first.

besser tot als rot on October 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM

The aide said that they are confident that all 52 Democrats and both independents in the Senate would vote for a “clean” increase…

I’d like to see how they’d vote on the House bill.

besser tot als rot on October 8, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Even in Utah, Mike Lee’s very red home state, nearly as many people blame the GOP for the shutdown as they do Obama

I don’t ‘blame’ the GOP for the shutdown…I ‘credit’ the GOP for the shutdown because of the non-ignorable-slap-in-the-face examples of how much of a jackass Obama’s being with it.

James on October 8, 2013 at 12:14 PM

What exactly is it the President intends to “negotiate” and “work with” if the government opens back up?

They wouldn’t work with Republicans to avoid a shutdown.

They’re not working with Republicans to end a shutdown.

Once the government is funded and the ceiling is raised, what’s left to negotiate anyway?

The Schaef on October 8, 2013 at 12:28 PM

The Democrats could have saved us all a lot of trouble if they had followed the Constitution and produced a budget.

They did take one budget related action, they voted down Obama’s proposed budget 97-0.

So, why are we here again?

I thank the Democrats for this opportunity!

Meremortal on October 8, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Once the government is funded and the ceiling is raised, what’s left to negotiate anyway?

The Schaef on October 8, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Tee times?

Lost in Jersey on October 8, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Can the dreaded “triple-dog” dare be far off?

mojo on October 8, 2013 at 11:31 PM

I dare Obama to prove he is for democracy and the Constitution:

1) Agree to repeal the 2,200 Un-Constitutional Waivers

&

2) Take off his ‘crown’, put on his Presidential Big Boy Pants, come to the table and negotiate and compromise like everyone else for the good of the nation.

easyt65 on October 9, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Red Rover, Red Rover, send Boehner right over!

flataffect on October 9, 2013 at 4:47 PM

It’s easy to answer this. Just ask the Senate to vote on any of the House-approved measures. Have the vote on the Senate floor right now! Have all those senators vote down all the funding measures – or have them vote for it and pass it to the President for his veto. Isn’t it that simple?

Why are votes in the House needed when votes in the Senate are not?

The Senate needs to feel the pain.

virgo on October 10, 2013 at 1:23 AM

60 trillion dimes since he took office.

Bmore on October 10, 2013 at 8:31 AM

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