Jay Carney on ObamaCare enrollment numbers: Uh, we’ll get back to you next month

posted at 6:41 pm on October 7, 2013 by Allahpundit

If they’re able and willing to release the website’s traffic data, as Carney does here, why can’t they can’t release the number of people who managed to complete the application process successfully? Any website that requires users to register has a way of counting the number of registrants. Carney doesn’t even deny that they have the number; he just says that they’ll release the data monthly like other agencies do, as if there’s no special public interest in the first-day enrollment numbers for ObamaCare. Show of hands: If the site was working like a dream and 500,000 people had signed up successfully in the first 24 hours, who thinks President Bashful would insist on sitting on those numbers for a month?

By the way, per this morning’s post about the real causes of the Healthcare.gov glitchapalooza, O’s team continues to lie their collective ass off in claiming that it’s all due to heavy traffic, not freakishly amateurish coding:

The Obama administration is not planning on releasing enrollment numbers on Obamacare until November, senior administration officials said Monday, as they continued to insist that delays with the healthcare.gov website were entirely the result of high volume…

The Wall Street Journal reported Monday, “Information technology experts who examined the healthcare.gov website at the request of The Wall Street Journal said the site appeared to be built on a sloppy software foundation. Such a hastily constructed website may not have been able to withstand the online demand last week, they said. Engineers at Web-hosting company Media Temple Inc. found a glut of stray software code that served no purpose they could identify. They also said basic Web-efficiency techniques weren’t used, such as saving parts of the website that change infrequently so they can be loaded more quickly. Those factors clog the website’s plumbing, Media Temple said.”

But the senior administration official rejected suggestions from internet technology experts that the website is poorly designed and flawed.

“Volume is the problem,” the official said.

Watch the second clip below, via RCP, and you’ll find Carney kinda sorta repeating this lie himself, insisting that their “top issue” when it comes to the glitches is high volume. In the unlikely event that Carney and the White House actually believe that, it’s good news for O-Care’s opponents: If they’re not aggressively addressing the coding issues on the assumption that more servers will straighten most of this out, the rollout failures will crawl on for months. In the meantime, the solution is — wait for it — “waiting rooms”:

“CMS has put up a gate at the front end of the system that places visitors in a waiting room and lets them in at a particular pace so that the surge in volume does not cause the problems that it caused in the past,” Carney said during Monday’s White House press briefing.

Charlie Spiering describes that, not inaptly, as “rationing” online users. Exit question via a Twitter buddy: Why doesn’t Carney revive ye olde “created or saved” metric for this? Eight million people viewed or enrolled on the ObamaCare website!



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Do we seriously need to file under FOIA to get the number?

redshirt on October 7, 2013 at 6:44 PM

My question: of the people applying for Obamacare, have more of them been approved for a health insurance plan, or have more of them had their identities stolen?

besser tot als rot on October 7, 2013 at 6:44 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

‘gasp”

HAHAHAAA

IT FLOPPED. Proof right here. They be in front of the cameras bragging about the numbers if it was even half good.

watertown on October 7, 2013 at 6:44 PM

They will never release the numbers due to ‘privacy’ concerns… or something.

faraway on October 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Obviously enrollment isn’t going very well …………… or they would reveal the figures.

SC.Charlie on October 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Score update:

- ObamaCare enrollees – 3

- IRS penalties assessed after declining the coverage – 300,000

faraway on October 7, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Show of hands: If the site was working like a dream and 500,000 people had signed up successfully in the first 24 hours, who thinks President Bashful would insist on sitting on those numbers for a month?

They did it with one: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/10/04/glitchless-boy-was-a-lie-obamacare-poster-boy-enrollee-chad-henderson-lied-and-never-signed-up-to-obamacare/

And it was a hoax.

davidk on October 7, 2013 at 6:49 PM

If it is so hard to access the Obamacare website now in order to sign up to pay health insurance premiums, …

just imagine how hard it is going to be to communicate with your Obamacare representative when you need your Obamacare policy to pay for your medical treatments.

Buyer Beware!

wren on October 7, 2013 at 6:53 PM

If the only problem is volume, then it should be very easy to enroll and buy between 3-6 AM. I wonder if anybody has even tried to enroll or buy during this time frame. Either the liberal media or conservative blogosphere?

KMav on October 7, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Got exemption?

Resist We Much on October 7, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Think about it…YOU HAD THREE YEARS!

CWchangedhisNicagain on October 7, 2013 at 6:58 PM

I bet that whatever traffic numbers they’re claiming, they’re going to take the most generous metric and associate that number with individuals who are interested. What I mean is are they counting instances, visits, visitors, etc? Are they claiming unique visitors, total visitors, etc? (See Adobe Omniture’s array of definitions for all this.) If someone is failing over and over again to get the site to work, why wouldn’t they hit the site over and over again, refreshing their browser to get it to work.

Plus, there are reports that the poor coding simultaneously calls nearly 90 different services and tries to load them serially vs. in parallel. Are they counting this crappy execution in their bloated numbers?

bhj on October 7, 2013 at 7:00 PM

No question, they can data mine the crap out of whatever goes on in those websites. This is a clear attempt to mitigate disaster.

WitchDoctor on October 7, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Censorship:

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is blocking the main whistleblower in the Fast and Furious case from publishing a book, claiming his retelling of the Mexico “gun-walking” scandal will hurt morale inside the embattled law enforcement agency, according to documents obtained by The Washington Times.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/6/atf-tries-block-whistleblowing-agents-fast-and-fur/

davidk on October 7, 2013 at 7:01 PM

And it could be that lots of people are getting on the website, using fake info, seeing the sticker shock prices and product and clicking “cancel”.

albill on October 7, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Will have to find the link, but on Oct 4th, California sign-ups were still in single digits.

Rovin on October 7, 2013 at 7:02 PM

“CMS has put up a gate at the front end of the system that places visitors in a waiting room and lets them in at a particular pace so that the surge in volume does not cause the problems that it caused in the past,”

Same thing they are planning to do with your “care” when that part “kicks in.”

UnderstandingisPower on October 7, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Do we seriously need to file under FOIA to get the number?

redshirt on October 7, 2013 at 6:44 PM

No, the media should do it.

Oh, wait….

BuckeyeSam on October 7, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Whatever number they eventually reveal, go ahead and delete one for the user name ObamaSucksAss. I was…um…exploring.

Ronnie on October 7, 2013 at 7:03 PM

IT FLOPPED. Proof right here. They be in front of the cameras bragging about the numbers if it was even half good.

watertown on October 7, 2013 at 6:44 PM

+Exactly right.

Our agency #?= 0

bazil9 on October 7, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Got exemption?

Resist We Much on October 7, 2013 at 6:56 PM

^5 rwm.

bazil9 on October 7, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Just wait till Obama refuses to release information about what the IPAB is up to when denying coverage.

Patients won’t get this information, and they won’t be able to sue when they can’t get treatment.

Leftists will be glad to have this. Independents? Wake up or you’re next on the autopsy slab.

BuckeyeSam on October 7, 2013 at 7:05 PM

“CMS has put up a gate at the front end of the system that places visitors in a waiting room

I suppose that is where their wallets get stolen? Together with their pants ?
:O

burrata on October 7, 2013 at 7:06 PM

The Adults are in charge.

Del Dolemonte on October 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

I suppose that is where their wallets get stolen? Together with their pants ?
:O

burrata on October 7, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Our beloved Cozmo is safe then.

bazil9 on October 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

This wouldn’t happen here:

In early September, Julie Bailey was settling into her new home. Weeks before, she had been chased out of her town after a succession of death threats, the desecration of her mother’s grave and the collapse of her small business.

No, Bailey isn’t the star witness in a mob trial. She’s just an average British citizen who became a lightning rod for exposing failures of the country’s vaunted National Health Service after her mother died while in its care.

Though the NHS has been subject to an endless stream of reorganizations and reforms over the decades whenever the government has transferred power, no prime minister – not even “Iron Lady” Margaret Thatcher – has had the political will to make fundamental changes. As Nigel Lawson, chancellor of the exchequer under Thatcher, famously put it, “The NHS is the closest thing the English have to a religion.”

A former social worker and lifelong liberal, Bailey lived in Stafford, a town 140 miles northwest of London, where she took care of her mother, Bella. In the fall of 2007, her mother was hospitalized at Stafford Hospital after a rough, sleepless night interrupted by coughing and retching.


When I came out, I just knew I had to do something, because I had left these people behind.

Once in the hospital, Bailey was bullied by staff members and dismissed when she suggested her mother needed medication for a chest infection. One night, her mother was left lying in her own vomit, despite screaming for help. One doctor told Bailey that her mother would die a “painful death,” snapping his fingers for emphasis.

Her confidence shaken, Bailey took to sleeping on a hard plastic chair in the hospital to attend to her mother’s care. But spending more time in the hospital meant being exposed to the depth of its horrors. “What I saw was the abuse of vulnerable adults,” she said.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/health-emergency-on-eve-of-obamacare-britains-nhs-needs-political-therapy/article/2536520

davidk on October 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

After the first day, an average office clerk working at Amazon, Netflix, etc., could consult a print out and tell you exactly how many people visited their sites, how many people actually opened accounts, and how many orders were placed and probably a breakdown on how the purchases were paid for.

This ain’t rocket science anymore.

So, they either don’t know because their system is so screwed up or the numbers are so low that they’ve had to go lying-bastard mode on either or both.

TXUS on October 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Joe Wilson said “you lie.”

RickinNH on October 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

You know, I actually believe them when they say the volume problem will be solved.

In a few more days, no one will even bother to visit that crap piece of web design.

Boom.

Volume problem solved.

MichaelGabriel on October 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

“Information technology experts who examined the healthcare.gov website at the request of The Wall Street Journal said the site appeared to be built on a sloppy software foundation.

Is this jiziah website built by the same experts who built the 9 layered document for Hussein ?

burrata on October 7, 2013 at 7:11 PM

We will not have a real number next month either. The Lexington Herald newspaper on Sunday claimed Kentucky enrolled over 5,000 people in KYnect and they all got health insurance in the first five days after the launch of Obamacare. They also said over 25,000 phone calls were fielded in the first few days. That number is total BS and they know it, but there is no way to check it, because no one in any position to know is releasing anything.

If Kentucky really had over 5,000 people enroll and they all got health insurance in the first five days, it would be all over the news, and it isn’t.

Johnnyreb on October 7, 2013 at 7:13 PM

It would be hysterical if the first successful enrollee was some joker who logged on as Osama bin Laden.

DaveDief on October 7, 2013 at 7:15 PM

“I don’t have the exact figures, but they are somewhere between jack and sh-t.”

Chuck Schick on October 7, 2013 at 7:21 PM

After the first day, an average office clerk working at Amazon, Netflix, etc., could consult a print out and tell you exactly how many people visited their sites, how many people actually opened accounts, and how many orders were placed and probably a breakdown on how the purchases were paid for.

This ain’t rocket science anymore.

So, they either don’t know because their system is so screwed up or the numbers are so low that they’ve had to go lying-bastard mode on either or both.

TXUS on October 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

A couple of days after I order something through Amazon I get emails with “suggestions” of other items I would like.

davidk on October 7, 2013 at 7:21 PM

The number one secrets in our government: Obama’s college grades, and the Obamacare enrollment numbers.

TarheelBen on October 7, 2013 at 7:29 PM

But the senior administration official rejected suggestions from internet technology experts that the website is poorly designed and flawed.

“Volume is the problem,” the official said.

If volume is a problem, the site was poorly designed.

Chuck Schick on October 7, 2013 at 7:29 PM

KMav on October 7, 2013 at 6:53 PM

I had read somewhere that a lot of people started trying at midnight, day of launch. Some were just checking out the site, some newspeople and bloggers.

It did not work even then.

Barred on October 7, 2013 at 7:31 PM

You know who isn’t freakishly amateur, the hackers breaking into the system.

Congress and this preznit will spare no expense for themselves, hiring only the best when it comes to decorating their offices or being their servants, but when it comes to a system which is going to hold the deeply personal data of tens of millions of citizens…El Cheapo.

Bishop on October 7, 2013 at 7:33 PM

After I tell my boss that our new system sucks, but I don’t know how bad it sucks because I have no data, that loud thump that you’d hear would be him drop-kicking my sorry butt of the roof.

WestTexasBirdDog on October 7, 2013 at 7:33 PM

If the numbers were good, Baghdad Carney would be beating the drums with them.

GarandFan on October 7, 2013 at 7:37 PM

In the meantime, schools are doing their part so we don’t have as many recess-related injuries. No balls (or tag or cartwheels) for you!

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/07/long-island-middle-school-bans-footballs-other-recreational-items/

UnderstandingisPower on October 7, 2013 at 7:37 PM

CODE BLUE! CODE BLUE! ACA NATION’S CAPITOL! CODE BLUE!

birdwatcher on October 7, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Tempering the Obamies boasting that first day “participation” was a huge success-because there were over 8 million unique page views, Instpundit quotes a WSJ story, “probably somewhere in the low thousands” is the number of folks assumed to have enrolled. Which to be honest, most likely means somewhere between 80 and 800 actual enrollees, not 1000 to 3000. I doubt no more than 1 of every 10,000 visitors is signed up. Fabulous. That is, until you hear Obamaphiles boasting that only 1 in 10,000 obamacare “participants” are at consequential risk of privacy violations and identity fraud. Isn’t that special?

G. Charles on October 7, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Spoke to a friend today, he is a Dr. Paul supporter. He signed up with 0Care. $275.00 per month. He is happy with the price. It saves him about $75.00 a month. I picked on him.

Bmore on October 7, 2013 at 8:04 PM

SELECT COUNT(enrolleeID)
FROM erollees
WHERE enrollDate = ’2013-10-01′

Serious Cat on October 7, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Spoke to a friend today, he is a Dr. Paul supporter. He signed up with 0Care. $275.00 per month. He is happy with the price. It saves him about $75.00 a month. I picked on him.

Bmore on October 7, 2013 at 8:04 PM

He ‘saves on the price’, and maybe the 30/70 or 20/80 top lines are the same, but they will get you in the details of deductibles and copays, and the rules on how the deductibles accumulate.

slickwillie2001 on October 7, 2013 at 8:24 PM

slickwillie2001 on October 7, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Thanks, I’ll mention that to him next time I see him. We were both hurried, not much time for a serious discussion. Just blurbs having not seen one another in quite some time. ; )

Bmore on October 7, 2013 at 8:27 PM

SELECT COUNT(enrolleeID)
FROM erollees
WHERE enrollDate = ’2013-10-01′

Serious Cat on October 7, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Haha, I was just going to post the same thing…

nextgen_repub on October 7, 2013 at 8:28 PM

SELECT COUNT(enrolleeID)
FROM erollees
WHERE enrollDate = ’2013-10-01′

Serious Cat on October 7, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Lol, I’d be even more interested in something like:

SELECT COUNT(DISTINCT ssn)
FROM enrollees
WHERE age BETWEEN 27 AND 40
AND preexisting_conditions IS NULL
AND occupation NOT LIKE ‘%journalist%’

Lawdawg86 on October 7, 2013 at 8:29 PM

“We’d release the numbers … but we can’t because of the shutdown”

SaveFarris on October 7, 2013 at 9:02 PM

There’s definitely a problem, and it’s not the software, and it’s not the volume.

SomeCallMeJohn on October 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM

“CMS has put up a gate at the front end of the system that places visitors in a waiting room and lets them in at a particular pace so that the surge in volume does not cause the problems that it caused in the past,”

Same thing they are planning to do with your “care” when that part “kicks in.”

UnderstandingisPower on October 7, 2013 at 7:02 PM

And this is not rationing…how again? Just gettin’ the peasants used to lines and waiting, right? You are absolutely correct! I mean, El3venty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DublOh7 on October 7, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Charlie Spiering describes that, not inaptly, as “rationing” online users.

So the rationing starts before you even have a medical problem…

taznar on October 8, 2013 at 9:34 AM

O’s team continues to lie their collective ass off in claiming that it’s all due to heavy traffic, not freakishly amateurish coding

Well, strictly speaking, they’re not exactly lying. It is due to heavy traffic. After all, who would have expected more than, oh, 20 or 30 users in the first month? It would have been completely unreasonable to expect their programmers to write software to handle numbers larger than that, right?

nukemhill on October 8, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Finally got online after only eight days of trying. Account creation went smoothly.

Went from there to application process. They wanted my family’s socials, and income information. I immediately closed the window.

No interest in filling out all that information just to find out what they would charge me for a family of five (soon six). They can’t provide a quote without first trying to calculate the tax credits, because then you might know how much the insurance actually costs, so I won’t jump through their hoops.

The Schaef on October 8, 2013 at 2:58 PM