Report: Boehner told group of House Republicans he’ll violate the Hastert Rule to raise the debt ceiling if necessary

posted at 8:01 pm on October 3, 2013 by Allahpundit

Big news — unless, of course, it’s disinformation, which I doubt.

With attention shifting to potential consequences of not increasing the debt limit, one House Republican said Thursday that Speaker John A. Boehner had told colleagues in a meeting that he was determined to prevent a federal default and was willing to pass a measure through a combination of Republican and Democratic votes.

The lawmaker, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Mr. Boehner had said he would be willing to violate the so-called Hastert Rule if necessary to pass a debt limit increase. The informal rule refers to a policy of not bringing to the floor any measure that does not have a majority of Republican votes.

Other Republicans also said Thursday that they got the sense that Mr. Boehner would do whatever was necessary to ensure that the country did not default on its debt.

Representative Leonard Lance of New Jersey, one of the moderate Republicans who met privately with Mr. Boehner on Wednesday, would not provide details of the meeting, but said, “The speaker of the House does not want to default on the debt on the United States, and I believe he believes in Congress as an institution, and I certainly believe he is working for the best interests of the American people.”

Could be that some random Republican in the House is worried about Boehner caving and concocted this story for reporters in hopes that there’ll be an uproar on the right over it and Boehner will get nervous. Or, could be that someone in leadership concocted it to calm markets that are jittery after Obama’s “time to freak out” CNBC interview yesterday. Note, though, that the NYT claims to have several sources who have similar impressions about his intentions. And for what little it’s worth, this is precisely what I’d expect him to do if we reach the debt-ceiling deadline on October 16th without a deal. You’d need to have an unusually committed ideological warrior in charge for the House to stand firm as Treasury hits the ceiling, with media air-raid sirens about default blaring in the background. Boehner’s not that guy. After decades in the House, his legacy as Speaker will not be “he played chicken with the prospect of a global economic meltdown.” That’s what Lance is getting at in the excerpt with that telling bit about Boehner believing in Congress “as an institution.” (I recall similar things being said about John Roberts vis-a-vis the legitimacy of the Court before the big ruling on the mandate last year, and you know how that turned out.) I’d go so far as to bet that he’d agree to a clean debt-ceiling hike at the last minute even if he had every reason to believe that it would cost him his Speakership.

And of course, Obama would bet the same way. That’s what yesterday’s tank-the-market soundbite was about, using a quickie downturn based on the president’s pessimism about a deal to give centrist Republicans like Boehner and McConnell a taste of what could happen if they follow tea partiers to the brink. Hasn’t worked especially well — the Dow’s down “only” 100 points as I write this — but debt-ceiling hysteria is showing up in other places:

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Market panic isn’t O’s only weapon. In his speech this morning, he warned seniors (a sizable chunk of the GOP’s base) that Social Security checks won’t go out on time if we hit the debt ceiling. And of course the polls are as reliably grim about the ceiling as they are about a shutdown: Yesterday, CNN found that 56 percent think it’d be a bad thing if the ceiling wasn’t raised while 64 percent oppose using the ceiling as leverage to defund ObamaCare specifically. When asked which side they’d blame if the debt limit was reached, 53 percent say congressional Republicans versus just 31 percent who say Obama. Boehner surely has 20 centrist House GOPers willing to vote with Democrats for a clean debt-ceiling hike; even a clean CR to end the much less significant government shutdown seems to be growing more popular in the caucus. The only obstacle to passing one is his own personal reluctance to face the political consequences from the right of bringing that hike to the floor. Show of hands: Who thinks that’ll stop him after two more weeks of tremendous pressure from the center and the left?

Exit quotation from, er, Denny Hastert: “The Hastert Rule never really existed.”


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You are talking about a lot of people’s parents and grandparents here, pee pants, lumping them into one group.
You really want to go there, diaper dan?

RovesChins on October 3, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Oh, boy.
You insulted my daddy. I’m going to get my daddy to beat up your daddy! You just wait, you are going to be sorry! No one insults my deadbeat drunk socialist supporting incapable of teaching his kids any manners or even willing to get them valuable educations had to have easy divorce welfare queen supporting daddy! Now you are in for a world of hurt boy.

Is that was you are saying? I think it is. BRING IT ON.

Preteen might have been a bit much for you. I think it is closer to pre-school or at most 3rd grade.

astonerii on October 3, 2013 at 10:01 PM

No. Nothing between the lines. Just stating that all those you lumped into one group have children and grandchildren that post here.

RovesChins on October 3, 2013 at 10:10 PM

I recall similar things being said about John Roberts vis-a-vis the legitimacy of the Court before the big ruling on the mandate last year, and you know how that turned out.)

Well, AP, the ruling on the individual mandate (requiring the buying of an insurance policy) was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in that decision, and specifically that the Commerce Clause could not be used to require any citizen to buy any product or service.

All that ruling said was that it was within the government’s power-to-tax to impose a “tax” on anyone who refused to buy said insurance. Yes, same result as to ObamaCare, but the ruling had nothing to do with mandate’s unconstitutionality.

That said, the real problem with the Roberts opinion is all that future congresses need to do to skirt the Constitution is to impose a tax on doing something that’s prohibited by other provisions of the Constitution, a point that has ramifications out the ass going forward. Roberts, as smart as he is and normally a strict constructionist, too, opened wide the Pandora’s Box on this short-term, feel-good ruling.

Probably the singular ruling that history will say led to the fall of the USA.

TXUS on October 3, 2013 at 9:04 PM
……………

Even more instructive is how Roberts came to call o’care a tax.

http://www.t-room.us/2013/01/unraveling-the-mystery-behind-chief-justice-roberts-sudden-switch-to-rule-in-favor-of-obamacare/

The above link shows how Roberts was blackmailed for basically smuggling his two adopted kids from Cork, Ireland,his wife’s home country,to Central America then to the US. He got caught by the regime and the rest as they say is history.
Bad history. He had to confirm obamcare or suffer the consequences so we have o’care as a tax.

rodguy911 on October 3, 2013 at 10:17 PM

No. Nothing between the lines. Just stating that all those you lumped into one group have children and grandchildren that post here.

RovesChins on October 3, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Wow, aren’t you astute. In all the 300 times, maybe even more, I have posted something similar, NOT ONE OTHER PERSON HAS EVER TOLD ME THAT I WAS ATTACKING THEMSELVES OR SOMEONE THEY KNOW. NOT ONCE EVER, you, just YOU have ever made that connection. You are AMAZING.

You know what I care about their opinions? As much as they care about how much future generations are going to face paying for their lack of paying for the government we have today. About none. In fact, they care more about not paying taxes and sloughing those bills onto future generations than they do about cutting costs to within their actual desire to pay taxes.

The “Greatest Generation” did vote FDR into power 4 times running.
The “Greatest Generation” did accept and allow the implementation of social security and the welfare state.
The “Greatest Generation” did raise the Boomer Generation.
The “Greatest Generation” did fail to properly educate the Boomer Generation.
The “Greatest Generation” did allow communists to have sway in our institutions, from our schools, to our media, to Hollywood and even the federal government.
The “Greatest Generation” failed to win Korea.
The “Greatest Generation” did run Vietnam to ensure a failure and then allowed the Boomer Generation to apply the death blow.
The “Greatest Generation” did elect a house of representatives that was Democrat for nearly 50 years running.
The “Greatest Generation” did fight and win World War II, and after being bombed and having NO CHOICE BUT TO FIGHT. I love the warriors of World War II. I study books about the war, mostly the campaign against Japan because I like naval battle strategy more than I like air raids and land battle. But it is not like they had a choice as to whether or not to fight.

But doing a few good things in your life does not make you immune to criticism for your failures.

astonerii on October 3, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Keep it shutdown. No increase to the debt ceiling.
Now or never, guys. Now or never. If we don’t get this crap fixed right f*cking now, well… the remaining solution will be extremely messy.
Midas on October 3, 2013 at 8:05 PM

So… I’m interested now. What exactly are you proposing as the “remaining solution” in the event that our elected government decides to start functioning again rather than whistle on passed the graveyard of empires? Secondly, now or never? For what? What “fix” is that you see achieving as a result of your keep it shutdown strategy?

What’s your end game?

Genuine on October 3, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Let’s face it, a little less than 50% of us are paying for this bag of shit government and those in charge represent less much less of us than that. We’re broke and getting broker.

Where do we put our assets to ride it out in this bankrupt world? Not in the faith in of the merkin people it appears

Popcorn be damned. I’m going for porterhouse. If we don’t get our way its over since we’re only asking for fiscal reality and that is what the world used to depend on (American fiscal sanity that is). Whoever lends us more money to extend our debt is up to more than our betters can withstand in negotiations.

Keep your head on a swivel and let’s pay attention. It’s going to be an interesting two weeks.

DanMan on October 3, 2013 at 10:33 PM

What’s your end game?

Genuine on October 3, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Same thing Obama’s army Genuine. Winning. They have the desire. We have the means.

DanMan on October 3, 2013 at 10:35 PM

astonerii on October 3, 2013 at 10:25 PM

That chicken has to be beat by now.

RovesChins on October 3, 2013 at 10:44 PM

RovesChins on October 3, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Look, the perpetual 8 year old continues to act like a perpetual 8 year old.
I got an idea. Look over that list I made and REFUTE it with facts. It is just simple facts. It is what happened. It is simply what they did with their lives and our nation. it is what it is. The GREATEST GENERATION just AINT that great. I appreciate their efforts in taking down Japan, Italy and Germany. I really do. But the fact remains that for the most part, the rest of their lives was spent in apathy or downright directed destroy America activities. On their watch all those things happened through their votes or lack of votes. On their watch, their duty, their time of rule. Not mine.

astonerii on October 3, 2013 at 11:02 PM

That chicken has to be beat by now.

RovesChins on October 3, 2013 at 10:44 PM

…not till it’s neck is wrung!

KOOLAID2 on October 3, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Boehner can easily pass a 100 billion increase in the debt ceiling to tide things over until the CR debate has ended.

Any other grand BAD deal for a massive multi-trillion debt increase will be the end of Boehner.

Freddy on October 4, 2013 at 12:39 AM

No need to increase debt ceiling. No default, just no more debt, run the government on actual tax receipts.

anikol on October 4, 2013 at 1:30 AM

This should tell everyone everything they need to know about how serious Boehner was about using the debt ceiling as leverage to force delays to Obamacare.

Heh.

Cave on CR coming in 5, 4, 3, 2…

DRayRaven on October 4, 2013 at 5:52 AM

This may sound strange, but the first rule of negotiation is keep your yap shut. I don’t know whether Boehner and co understand that it doesn’t help your case when you leak to all and sundry possible positions.

davod on October 4, 2013 at 6:27 AM

Send an actual budget instead of a C.R.

countmein on October 4, 2013 at 7:00 AM

I wish I was in his district, then I could vote for someone else when his term is up. I am sick and tired of Boehner caving to the crybaby-in-cheif’s administration.

sadatoni on October 4, 2013 at 7:28 AM

The first problem is a lack of unity, which is a reflection of poor leadership.

How can any member of Congress, at this important apex, “leak” if this is truly a “leak”, the caucus negotiating strategy or intentions?

If you are not strong or articulate enough to share with your fellow caucus members a sound, wise approach (big hello to Pete King), why would you undermine the entire strategy by selectively leaking pieces of it?

This guarantees the failure of our position and keeps the cannibalism alive, which is perhaps what somebody wants.

This is akin to treasonous behavior.

Marcus Traianus on October 4, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Yeah….who needs Laws….or rules….or the Constitution?!

It’s not like any of these j@ck@$$e$ respect or adhere to them anymore, anyway!

easyt65 on October 4, 2013 at 8:25 AM

ObamaCare, Debt ceiling, Amnesty……it’s all sell-out city for the gop.

Chanting “Undocumented! Unafraid!” and “Where are we going? We’re going home!” nearly three dozen young immigrants crossed the U.S.-Mexican border on Monday without proper documents, in a challenge to this country’s immigration policy and soaring deportation rates.

The immigrants, wearing graduation-style caps and gowns, crossed a bridge on the Texas-Mexico border at the Laredo port of entry and were detained by immigration authorities.

The nearly three dozen young immigrants were processed individually, apart from regular pedestrian traffic. Unlike their entourage, which went through without a problem, none of them came out of immigration immediately.

The 32 trying to cross on Monday hoped to follow in the footsteps of the so-called DREAM9, who were released pending asylum hearings in Arizona in August after two weeks in detention.

The group spent a week of preparatory meetings and bonding at a migrant shelter here with a view of Texas.

“They come from all over! Some of these kids have traveled from as far as Tijuana, Guerrero, Cancun & even Lima, Peru!” said a press release by Mohammad Abdollahi, head National Immigrant Youth Alliance, which organized the first protest re-entry as well as Monday’s.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2013/09/30/thirty-more-dreamers-to-attempt-entering-us-to-protest-immigration-laws/

Wait till the Dreamers start paying taxes!! Oh wait, they’ll be getting money back, nevermind.

PappyD61 on October 4, 2013 at 9:00 AM

ObamaCare, Debt ceiling, Amnesty……it’s all sell-out city for the gop.

Throw them all out–the GOP is the problem.

Dump these co-ruling republicans as in if you just remove these the ticks and you finally get rid of the deadly blood sucking parasites that are taking down our nation.

Boehner is not a defender of the constitution, just his own cowardly backside.

Don L on October 4, 2013 at 9:10 AM

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astonerii on October 3, 2013 at 11:02 PM

Good points. I suspect that my generation 30′s /40′s was greatly fatigued after WWII the same as the nation after WWI were fatigued and let their guard down to the rise of Hitler and Japan.

We also ran into material gain like never before and were far too eager to spoil our children (and eagerly joined them in the revolution against all moral authority in the 60′s and 70′s that soon followed the spoiled brats.

Sex and drugs and rejecting nature’s God is what brought us down–not economics-that was and is still just a by-product of poor moral responsibility (I want-to Hades with the nation) as the left understood all too well and the GOP still hasn’t learned that the culture weapon is the best to take away freedom.

Don L on October 4, 2013 at 9:24 AM

I just had a horrible, horrible thought.

Boehner has the votes to pass a clean CR. But he’s not.

They are holding out for say in the legislative process, but tying it to something that Democrats have drawn a hard line against.

And now, Boehner making noise that he’s not going to let the debt ceiling blow up.

… is it remotely possible that he’s adopting an impossible position at the behest of the TP caucus, only to undermine them by restarting the government with a bipartisan vote, breaking their last blockade against Obamastruction and restoring political validity to the establishment caucus?

It seems a really high-stakes game to play, just to break the TP’s back and get control of his chamber again, but it’s a wild theory that popped into my brain just now.

And given I had another wild theory a couple days ago that turned out to be prescient, I’m not too shy about floating this one.

The Schaef on October 4, 2013 at 9:31 AM

It seems a really high-stakes game to play, just to break the TP’s back and get control of his chamber again, but it’s a wild theory that popped into my brain just now.

The Schaef on October 4, 2013 at 9:31 AM

As I’ve said in this thread and other times, the shutdown is about breaking the conservatives, not the GOP. The GOP is already broken. Boehner will pass a CR with the Democrats but he would prefer to break the conservative coalition and force some or all to vote with him.

If they don’t break it’s not the ideal situation but he will still remain in charge, because who will challenge him?

Doomberg on October 4, 2013 at 9:47 AM

I think I’m saying something similar to what you’re saying, but with different terms. In your case, you seem to be suggesting that Boehner and the establishment caucus are “broken” in that they are basically Democrat-lite at this point. Do I interpret that correctly?

If so, I think we are saying more or less the same thing.

The Schaef on October 4, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Report: Boehner told group of House Republicans he’ll violate the Hastert Rule to raise the debt ceiling if necessary
POSTED AT 8:01 PM ON OCTOBER 3, 2013 BY ALLAHPUNDIT

Sounds like Boehner has gone sane.

verbaluce on October 4, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Republicans like Boehner and McConnell a taste of what could happen if they follow tea partiers to the brink.

Follow tea partiers to the brink? What a load of BS. If you recall, it was Boehner and all of you establishment types that complained, ‘errr, errr, we disagree on Cruz’s tactics, errr errrr, we want the fight to be about the debt ceiling’. Now you are saying that Boehner has absolutely NO intention of holding firm on the debt ceiling EVER and everyone knows it? What a brilliant freakin strategy!?!?!? I swear the current Republican party is so asinine it is no wonder that nobody showed up last election. If I could get all of these idiots in a room for a game of Texas Hold ‘em, I would be a very rich man…..

Vanbasten on October 4, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Wasn’t the debt “ceiling” long ago exceeded? How far exceeded if “quantitative easing” were included?

Can we get a post explaining “extraordinary measures”?

kunegetikos on October 4, 2013 at 10:33 AM

posted at 8:01 pm on October 3, 2013 by Allahpundit

Big news — unless, of course, it’s disinformation, which I doubt.

And, as USUAL, this is DISINFORMATION and Allahpundit(Carl Rove) was just pushing the fraud.

Freddy on October 4, 2013 at 11:40 AM

There are no “centrist” Republicans-they are Gutless Democrats who can’t win as one in their districts.Frauds!

redware on October 4, 2013 at 4:18 PM

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